Why Josh Allen is the MVP Front Runner | PFF

[@StayPuftMarshmellow]

He should have been the mvp last year too.

[@jf13579]

Honestly if he didn’t have that meltdown in week 1 he probably would have been. I’m a bills fan.

[@robertschoelerman7496]

MVP is a popularity contest Lamar shouldn't have got it but he did

[@bernitapennick5930]

I agree Lamar shouldn’t have got that mvp maybe Josh or Mahoney better

[@bernitapennick5930]

Patrick mahomes

[@dgordon130]

Josh is the best QB, and along with his talents displayed, he is OUR QB. NO One better. I think he showed exactly what he's about during the "13 second" game. No other QB could have done that. The defensive scheme failed him. I've got his full size fat-head in my basement and I'm a 64 year old man. Bro-mance big time. Love him.

[@JKSSubstandard]

The perfect example for the Bills progression offense is the Khalil Shakir TD. Josh's eyes start on Keon Coleman clearing deep, as he's covered the eyes slide left to Shakir on the crosser moving into his vision which became the td. If Shakir wasn't there, then Kinkiad was dragging across behind Shakir. It's an easy built in progression in the design where the Bills are just asking one guy to beat their guy. There's no presnap read, it's on Josh's intelligence

[@jd229]

Oh so now the situation js good in buffalo? You all said all the leaders left and buffalo was in trouble. Yall flip every chance you get. Josh is bdtter than pat rn its not hard to say.

[@sarahchristine2345]

It is funny hearing all the non Buffalo analysts - who clearly only watch the Bills on prime time - talk crap about them every chance they get while showing they NO CLUE about the team 😂

[@jd229]

@@sarahchristine2345 like seriously. Then they gonna say oh the chiefs have a bunch of injuries and not talk about us playing backups for the entire middle of our defense and still allow only 10 points. It's dumb.

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

​@@jd229absolutely 💯 💯 💯

[@ninetailedfox579121]

The narrative has already flipped that the Bills haven't played anybody even though the Jags and Fins were thought of as playoff teams coming into the season.

[@pistolpete7422]

@@ninetailedfox579121not only playoff teams, Miami was supposedly the front runner to win AFC East 😂

[@staceylee7957]

Better situation in Buffalo? All we heard all off season was that Josh lost all his weapons and had a bunch of nobodies at WR.

[@joshallengoated]

Forreal no clue how this guy is an analyst, bills having nothing was one of the only narratives about them this off season

[@craigellsworth3952]

@staceylee7957 I liked what I saw out of Shakir last year. So far this year he has not disappointed.

[@Jason-zc9on]

Was about to post the same. Not trashing on the PFF guys, but I would’ve been curious to hear them expand on that take. In KC: one of the greatest offensive minds (Reid), Mahomes, HOF TE (Kelce), stud WR (Rice), crazy fast WR (Worthy), stud RB who is hurt tho, and All-Pro’s/ Pro-Bowlers at all of their interior OL positions. In Buffalo- Brady is doing a great job as OC, Cook is a weapon but still drops TDs, their OTs are playing very well (Dawkins is a pro-bowler & Spencer Brown might be Pro-Bowl worthy), and then there’s Josh. It’s easy to love Shakir and Kincaid who are very good football players, but if they’re the de facto top-2 receiving options, compare them to other team’s top weapons (Cincy, SF, Miami, Detroit, etc)

[@yoursodumn]

And that the Bills "gave the Chiefs Worthy" and now they have one of their best offensive rosters ever. That's what I heard! And the Bills just had a bunch of bums. Whoops!

[@IntroducingMrLucci]

​@@joshallengoatedall media was saying that tho.. especially ESPN who loves knocking Allen same as they do Caitlyn Clark since neither met the criteria of their favored marketing direction.

[@robscrivens4805]

I think it’s funny that now that, Josh has been significantly better than Mahomes, the Bills are now some kind of loaded offense and Mahomes is handcuffed by how poor his supporting cast is. I’d love these people to watch their discussions a month ago.

[@edwintapia200]

And Patrick will still win against the bills and win a super bowl

[@murraymarderosian2852]

Allen is better than Mahomes. I have never seen a quarter back that does what he can do. Mahomes has the best coaching staff in the NFL. KC would have been drilled by the Bills last year if the Bills weren't decimated with defensive injuries. It wasn't his fault when the coaching staff couldn't even scheme the debacle in the last 13 seconds the year before that. Allen has had a lot less weapons than KC and KC has played in a weak ass division for years and they pretty much are gifted the #1 seed. Allen should have been the MVP once if not twice already. He does the most with way less and gets a bad wrap because of it. Mahomes was lucky to win 3 SB'S and in my opinion he shouldn't have won any. Overrated Shanahan blows coaching and cost 49ers 2 super bowls and Eagles should have blown the super bowl wide open in the first half.

[@corey2232]

The 13 second year was 2021. You skipped over the 2022 year where Allen & everyone else played like trash against the Bengals & barely beat the Skylar Thompson Dolphins.

[@ChrisG9978]

@@corey2232 The Bills were depleted on Defense that year as well. They've had ONE year where they went into the playoffs with a mostly intact roster, that was 2021 when they lost the AFC Championship as a result of the 13 seconds debacle. Even the Skylar Thompson Dolphins would've held onto win against KC with 13 seconds left on the ticker.

[@ChrisG9978]

Most factual comment I've read on KZbin in AGES. Well-stated.

[@murraymarderosian2852]

@@ChrisG9978 Thank you! We won't even talk of the dropped Diggs pass that ONLY ALLEN could have thrown last year in the playoffs in Buffalo or the dropped wide open Cooks passes for TD's. Idiots measure just the SB wins and don't factor in all the other pieces of the puzzle. This year they are eating 31 mill in Diggs cap space. I expect the Bills to win next year.

[@ChrisG9978]

@@murraymarderosian2852 The Bills should have about $60 mil in cap space to bring in some heavy-weight talent next year. And I agree...Diggs was TERRIBLE in the playoffs...definitely cost the Bills some wins when they most needed it.

[@xWiREDx5NiP3Rx]

Can’t put Josh over Mahomes because of the current situation in KC? Since when has anyone given JA or any other player that benefit of the doubt? Also what is so much worse in KC this year compared to last? Mahomes still has a top 3 all time TE, 2nd year rashee rice, Xavier worthy and one of the greatest head coaches of all time. Not to mention they have one of the best DCs in the league. No doubt Mahomes is the best QB in the league when you consider entire careers, but right now Josh Allen is the best player in the league and it’s not really close.

[@jksdfgbaslkdfjasfdsdasdgasdfga]

nah they kinda even if u dont count the super bowls and mvps..................... Allens better statwise......just cant get carried by his defense and his Wrs and Kelce like mahomes did his whole career. Also the Bills are the most unlucky team in football. Dumb stuff just happens.... no explanation to it.

[@tankbulldogge8639]

Josh Allen is the Mandalorian. Do not piss him off , Do not F#@% with him. Josh Allen is the Weapon of Mass Destruction on the football field. DO NOT MESS WITH HIM! !!!! BOOM !!!! !!!! GO BILLS !!!!

[@brianstone69]

Good to see somebody break it down a bit. Allen is indeed a freak. In 2018 he'd flash and I couldn't process it. I'd just call him "horse." Swatting unblocked blitzers like annoying flies. He doesn't "throw," it's more like a flick. A flick that goes 40 yards at fastball speed. QB school broke down a play and it is spot on. Youi don't even notice what happened til you slow it down. Nobody has the arm he does. Every other QB - and there are good ones - has to put so much more effort into the throw. Allen just decides and half a second later it's gone. His biggest problem early on was the "touch" on short throws. Impossible to pick six him in that classic, jump-the-sideline-route way. He's just too quick to read and throws too powerfully to do anything about. Idiots harp on interceptions but don't watch so they have no context. A lot of them are high risk/high reward 3rd/4th down plays in opposition territory but outside FG range. So many times you'll see a dumbass CB snag a pick in the endzone and run it out to the 5. And then they celebrate!? Would've had the ball on the 35 but hey! You got a pick! Josh doesn't care about stats. That's why he is gonna win it all.

[@bernooski5128]

The Thanksgiving game against the Cowboys was when I knew the Bills had their guy. That game was really a coming out party for him

[@brianstone69]

@@bernooski5128 No Joke - That's exactly when I knew! I still watch that game now and then. Had Jason Garrett looking up at the Jumbotron in disbelief as my lock screen for years. But damn, JA has worked on his game.

[@bernitapennick5930]

It’s getting to a point where I like to see how he throws the ball using dimensions with angles and depth perception he’s very good on point and knows when to run and when to fold

[@jbarkley4198]

Yeah, like that sports science program!

[@chrisstratton4569]

If JA 17 keeps putting up these numbers Lamar is gonna get his 3rd MVP.

[@colleenandres3800]

What??

[@jf13579]

Lamar is already the front runner

[@jbarkley4198]

@@colleenandres3800The joke is that Josh Allen will have a better season, but Lamar will be voted as the MVP….again

[@colleenandres3800]

@@jbarkley4198 oh for sure!!🤣

[@simonsnow9865]

100% correct. Allen isn’t the right color

[@lordbudlett6520]

Lmaooo. Two receivers gone. Starting center gone. Defense players leaving. Missing Milano, Bernard and Taron Johnson. First full year for both your OC and DC. Yet they’re still dominating.

[@u2canbfmj]

@@lordbudlett6520 well had to end sometime

[@KokoEd]

If Josh can keep up the great play in the next three weeks then he will be the MVP but those three games are really tough. It’ll be interesting to see.

[@pmcmva]

Seth has some absolutely spot-on observations of Bills O. Not at all a copy/paste opinion usually seen by most of the NFL talking heads. The "break the math" idea acknowledged by you both is great stuff. "Cheat Code", etc talk... yeah. Give credit to OC Brady so far. I think he sees all of the untapped potential and is scheming for it.

[@benknapp3787]

That's a load of crap. The situation has been better in KC for YEARS, and Mahomes has been given all the credit.

[@geek921]

Exactly. Mahomes has Reid, his situation will almost always be better. And he still can't perform, last season and now this season. But people still bend over backwards to kiss his cleats.

[@jbarkley4198]

As soon as Allen wins his first Super Bowl, the Mahomes is the best mantra will crumble.

[@moelarry8088]

​@@jbarkley4198 it won't, the goalposts will move immediately after

[@ChrisG9978]

@@jbarkley4198 The woke media surrounding the NFL will never change their goldenboy kermit the frog narrative, even if the Bills win the next 6 Superbowls.

[@19EHF]

@@geek921 can’t perform you do realize he won the Super Bowl with a receiving corps that led the league in drops and a diminished Travis Kelce

[@JohnWilliams-wz9vk]

Watched Josh arrive in Laramie .following his career .since

[@SeiyaSoiya-un4jj]

It’s got to infuriate PFF that they called Josh undraftable 7 years ago and he’s proved them wrong every single day.

[@ChrisG9978]

The situation in KC is not even remotely "worse" than it was the past several years. Patty still has the #1 HoF TE, Xavier Worthy, Rice, a top defense, and the best coaching staff in the NFL, by a long shot. We're starting to see Josh emerge as top dawg QB, and the true colors of Patty Mahomes...he's nothing spectacular.

[@JimPayette]

Frank, Jimmy and Joe took this team to another level, Thats what you are watching.

[@justinbell5421]

All I hear is josh allen turn over this turnover that he's not good cuz turnovers, how many games as he lost due to an int or turnover? How many games has he won singlehandedly? It's so clear the people who don't watch the bills because they have no idea what's actually happening they just read stats

[@jbarkley4198]

People wouldn’t bat an eye when Peyton Manning or a number of hall of fame QB’s would rack up turnovers. But with Allen it became a main talking point. Coming into this season, he had fewer turnovers than Manning, I believe Brady and an impressive list of QB’s in their first 6 seasons. And he’s responsible for more tds than any of them in the same time period!

[@bigknox2115]

U joked about “hey don’t have a number 1 WR” but if you look at the last 2 dynasties they didn’t have a star WR. The Patriots and Chiefs had long term success with a great QB, great TE and great Defense. Brady & Gronk, Mahomes & Kelce. The Bills look like they’re following that model with Josh & Kincaid.

[@ricblic901]

Buffalo doesn't have a number 1 WR but Shakir and Kincaid are go to options for Allen, right now.

[@CoachBombay91]

They have 10 players that are go to options.

[@zackadamec9332]

When Mahomes lost reek, everybody said the Same thing as when Josh lost Diggs. Both of them proved the talking heads wrong because they're both dogs. They're 1 and 1A as far as QBs go, miss me with the burrow over Allen talk

[@tonysoprallen]

Reminder Trevor put JA17 as 4th QB in the league, over Lamar and Burrow Sickos are not pleased... Also, stats are wrong, he had 30 passes, not 34

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

Love how the new comments are shut down

[@pmcmva]

ooh, spicy tidbit

[@MikeD-7z]

Josh smiles with class but he is pissed off with the disrespect. Winner

[@buffalobear2641]

First time Josh has been able to make a 5 yard pass that goes for 20 yards but his situation is better than Mahomes? That’s rich.

[@corey2232]

As great as he's playing, I'm not convinced until I see how he plays during this upcoming 3 game road stretch. Allen & the Bills have played great every September. I want to see them carry it through October & avoid then avoid the usual mid season slump.

[@kentcarmack5879]

If I'm not mistaken, shakir hasn't dropped a pass all year and has crazy yac. We stole him in the draft.

[@Schedule1ne315]

Situation isn’t good in KC!? What happened to “Mahomes finally has weapons and an elite defense”?

[@mikehar6638]

the Bills have a bunch of draft picks in 25. The second for diggs unfortunately will be the Vikings 2nd. They have 2 4ths as the Bills traded one of their 5ths this year for the Bears 4th in 25. Also the Bills will receive a bunch of comp picks. They are already working on their 25 draft. It will be pivital for the Bills.

[@christopherg7098]

Its so weird hearing people say that there is a good situation in Buffalo when for months and months everyone said that the situation is bad, the situation is poor, things are regressing, and, unfortunately, just like Luke Skywalker had to beat Vader, Allen has one final obstacle he has to overcome before he can be the equal to Mahomes, he had to beat Mahomes in the playoffs, it has to happen or he will always stay in his shadow.

[@mmichii0302]

it's funny how people outside of Buffalo see things. diggs wasnt really a focal point under brady. they guys that left were getting long in the tooth and at the end of their careers. gabe wasnt really a factor catching the ball.

[@vitigaymer1053]

Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes are QB1/QB2 of the League

[@UserTNumbers]

Situation isn't good in KC? hahahahahaha

[@stefanpetrusev2327]

Supposedly the bills were stupid to gift Worthy to the chiefs with god Mahomes as qb, and now buffalo is an amazing situation,they were always amazing you just didn't pay attention

[@thedragonchaser]

Shilakings galore

[@bernooski5128]

Nobody... and I mean NOBODY was saying Josh was in a better situation that Mahomes to start the year. One has just played better than the other and it makes it look like his situation is better. Also... Josh definitely should have won MVP last year... he had like 20 more TDs than Lamar

[@jwestphal1978]

Mahomes situation entering the league was a successful team that made the playoffs every year, beating the Brady led Pats on prime time multiple times. Smith has a horrific injury, off Mahomes goes! Allen gets drafted to a team that just made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years with a rookie head coach and GM. Incognito was his LG, Dawkins played RT in his rookie season. Benjamin and Jones were his top WR's and Clay was the TE, along with an aging Shady! NOW the situation being different and difficult is a reason to not place Allen ahead of Mahomes this season? Why? Because Patrick has the tougher go for the first time in his career? I'll take Manning over Brady every day of the week!

[@sidekickht]

Buffalo lost almost the entire defense ...All the offensive weapons ...Yet you think the situation is better in buffalo ?!?!😂

[@DavidPayne-mg1wc]

This guy doesn't get it! The reason that that bill's were putting people in motion was to see if the defense was playing man or zone, it a simple concept, thats all, dude!!

[@FredMyrna-x2f]

Taylor Dorothy Gonzalez Daniel Lee Betty

[@davwes8594]

Situationally??? Allen has a makeshift crew of wrs and 4 of his starting de are hurt , ppl counted bills out this year bc of their roster but not his teams successful bc of him its time for media to pretend he gets carried

[@thedragonchaser]

Gabe Davis was useless after his 13 seconds performance

[@davidmaly5464]

... Oh, and josh played the last 2 games with a broken hand....

[@WW3_Soon]

Josh Allen is still madly inconsistent. He’ll screw up by tossing stupid interceptions.

[@bernooski5128]

How so? He hasn't thrown an INT in like 7 games

[@WW3_Soon]

@@bernooski5128 Allen threw 18 interceptions in season 2023.

[@bernooski5128]

​@@WW3_Soon Yet... as I just stated, he currently leads the NFL in most passes since his last interception

[@RMV1560]

I’m gonna call BS. You think the situation is better in Buffalo than it is in Kansas City??? Bro everybody was writing us off calling this our down year because we lost playmakers we lost veterans we lost leaders we lost talent. But our situation is better than Kansas City, if you’re gonna say that, then you better say that whoever doubted us for those reasons were wrong.

[@giuseppecorso2818]

You guys are a joke and say one thing and then another thing non stop about Buffalo and Josh Allen. Josh Allen is phenomenal. Anyone can see this and I'm not a Bills fan. Also, how is his situation better in Buffalo then Mahomes in KC? Wtf??

[@williamhager855]

I thought he is “ the most overrated player in the league”. I’d like the idiots who said that to have the balls to admit who they are.

[@maxjones8641]

Well he still is the most overrated player in the league going 9/30 on pass attempts against the Texans

[@williamhager855]

@@maxjones8641 and still no picks. And stroud did his best to piss that game away. Thanks to the idiot coach that Allen is strapped with, strouds fourth quarter efforts to lose didn’t cost him. Or maybe Allen should throw more picks like Mahomes. And Allen had a bunch of passes dropped that game. Maybe football isn’t for you

[@u2canbfmj]

Cardinals, Dolphins and jags... lets not get carried away

[@ninetailedfox579121]

Healthy Kyler Murray, everyone was saying that the Dolphins were going to win the division and that the Jags were going to put up a fight against the Texans.

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

Cards are better than you think. Dolphons were rated 10 or 11 wins and we shattered all their hopes and dreams. Jags are streaky but talented AF and always play us tough dude. Sooo whatever! 😂 haters gonna hate.

[@u2canbfmj]

@@ninetailedfox579121 D Rankings of the teams played isn't very high. bottom 1/2 of the league. But I hope the Bills win a SB and Josh is a MVP. Good luck this weekend

[@adamwolsey8589]

@@u2canbfmjrankings aren’t good because they played the bills

[@1breadator]

wtf else are they supposed to do they scored 34, 31 and 47

[@simonsnow9865]

Mahomes is sooooo overrated!! Mahomes is constantly bailed out by the refs and is a turnover machine!!

[@19EHF]

Yeah, yeah yeah that’s the same shit, y’all told me about Tom Brady cry about it more

[@jimmark8065]

I respectfully disagree. Josh’s situation is he lost his number 1 and 2 WR and his defense is a MASH unit. Not great situationally.

[@phimuskapsi]

lol. 9 guys on the offense have TDS, and the defense has a ton of sacks and six turnovers.

[@maheersayeed5778]

@@phimuskapsiexactly. Hes making it work with an objectively worse situation

[@sidekickht]

How is the situation bettwr in buffalo 😂😂😂 ....Worst take ive ever heard ngl...

[@C-Note_Staxs]

They beat the jags come on now 😂 dude trying to make it seem like the jags defense is super good 😂 stop the cap trying to beef Allan up

[@taylorherndon8142]

Saying “he beat the jags” doesn’t tell half the story. He looked incredible

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

3-0. 9 TD's with another 1 taken back by bad call. 0 interceptions. Where are all the interception King commenters? Punks.

[@ninetailedfox579121]

The Jags were all talked about as at the very least a playoff team coming into the season, have you forgotten that already?