Profoto B10 Plus | Clarification & additional thoughts

[@adnanansah4494]

I sold my ELB 500 Elinchrom for the B10 Dou kit. i only have a concern for full power output since I shoot most of the time outdoors in sun. If you say the power is enough i will buy the kit today? Let me know travis.

[@travisharrisphotography]

It's been great! My Las Vegas video will show it killing the sun... If your worried get the b10 plus. But personally, I'd roll with the b10s.

[@adnanansah4494]

Use Elinchrom for years and finally giving up because of Mis fires all the time even after doing all the updates. Profoto solves all my issues. If b10 kills the sun then I will get the dou kit. I hardly get 2-4 shots totally dark. So it’s all good. Thank you Travis for giving me the info !

[@travisharrisphotography]

@@adnanansah4494 Your welcome. Yeah, I was with Elinchrom for 8 years. But, they failed to make a cordless system.. and lets face it.. once you use the B10's there is no going back to any silly corded pack!

[@adnanansah4494]

Travis Harris Photography thank you Travis - I’ve made my decision - B10 dou kit then it is !!

[@Ashleyunfiltered]

If I already own the b2 kit , and I’m looking for an upgrade but I don’t want to sell them , would the b10 plus be a good upgrade for me ?

[@travisharrisphotography]

This depends on many things. I honestly cant answer without asking you a ton more questions, lol. But, unless you have a specific reason, I would say no. DONT spend money you dont need to, on some stupid light. That's pretty much what I feel in general. You will see some videos coming that will address gear, and be offering some advice that may change peoples mind about a lot of things.

[@Ashleyunfiltered]

@@travisharrisphotography update I actually have the b10 plus now, still have my b2’s but I’m very very happy with my b10 plus, it was the extra power I needed that I was missing from the b2, and the video lighting has helped me a lot with my shoots being able to match the temperature in the room 😊😊😊😊

[@sanfordlavine1760]

I know I’m late coming to this party but I have a question. All of your advice (B10 vs B10+) is great. I have a pair of B2s. I would like to go to a lighting solution that uses battery packs instead of a hard wired one. Will the B10 be an adequate replacement. I do product photography.

[@travisharrisphotography]

Yes for sure. In fact, I'm going to be posting all of my profoto kit for sale (if your interested). Shoot me a DM on Instagram and we can connect.

[@dlife82]

I have one b10 and was wondering how well can one b10 overpower the sun?

[@travisharrisphotography]

VERY well. Watch this video (you will see this over and over again...) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmnTc5d-er5oaZY

[@RayValdezPhotography]

this dude uses the magnum but if you are close to the subject bare bulb is cool if u cant afford a magnum. only issue is the part light will be different looking than the rest of the person's body.

[@travisharrisphotography]

@@RayValdezPhotography This is pretty accurate. If you want to see a ton of examples of this, see my Las Vegas Workshop video.

[@travisharrisphotography]

@@eriklundqvist4221 actually your dead wrong. Perhaps you should do some more research before making comments. Just look at the pics and video in the first video and you will see shots at f/18 and above with no issues in the middle of the desert.

[@jukeboxjohnnie]

Whats upsetting me, is theres no indication the power display is proportional like elinchrom do, so if you have your B10 and B10+ both set to say 7.0, they are not giving the same power which is annoying, any thoughts people?

[@travisharrisphotography]

Thats a good point. Having used the Quadras for 7 years I do miss the w/s readout. Yeah, its an extra step for sure..

[@famdeejay]

Hello. So I have one B10. I was gonna buy another light. Which one should I get? The B10 or the bigger brother B10 plus? Thanks for this video!

[@travisharrisphotography]

Generally, I like to just match lights. Tho, there is no wrong answer here. I am sure you have already got one by now.. sorry for the late response.

[@jonl0711]

I listened to your advice on not going Profoto if you are beginning photographer, but instead go Godox, my question is reliability and after sell support which is better? based on your previous video on the b10 you stated how you got the light replaced for $288 or thereabout. How many manufacturers would do this? I feel people to buy once the best they can afford and be done with it. I purchased when I started out a Speedotron 2400 w/s system that last for 30 years, and believe me if I could I would do it again but they are not sold in Australia. So it's between Profoto, Bowen, Elinchrom or Broncolor. Of course Profoto won out. Now this video and the last you are stating why to not purchase the B10 Plus and I have a B1 already and was about to get the B1X. However the B10 Plus looks great, I just need to work out if its recycling time can keep up with my camera. Thanks for your insightful review and I understand why you wouldn't upgrade, but my travel is not as much as you or others and I shoot 90% in the studio.

[@kerosenefilms]

Is the B10 powerful enough to shoot midday with an OCF Beauty Dish full length at f4-5.6, iso100?

[@travisharrisphotography]

Yes. You can see lots of this in my full review video as well as the 5 day Las Vegas Workshop video. F4 or 5.6 is nothing for this light. I was shooting f/16 and f/18 👌

[@markshirley01]

Travis - I'm trying to look this up at the moment - can you power the B10 from the mains supply.

[@travisharrisphotography]

Yes

[@michaelandrew83]

Glad you were able to clarify as I’m sure some people could be-confused. To be fair, I would not say “only a 1stop difference” as I greatly appreciate the 500+ watts of the new B10 plus. As you and others have pointed out the b10 is not 250 watts, or at least it doesn’t behave at that output, it behaves more like a 400watt light. I cannot wait to see what the b10 plus outputs. If it is a full stop above the b10 I am getting a pair for sure and selling my B1,s. Most people don’t need the B10 plus, the B10 is perfect, but being able modify outdoors with larger groups is amazing. What I missed about my 7B pack the most. 1200watts outdoors was a dream. That car battery though :/

[@travisharrisphotography]

Hey Michael, thanks so much. It's true however it's only one stop of a difference. In fact I have now seen and confirmed that the real world difference is not even a full stop its about 0.8 stop at max. This truly results in about 2 feet at the most of distance to your subject in my testing. Very few photographs are in situations where this makes or brakes the shot. Especially ones who think outside the box. This was kinda my point. I guess I feel profoto should have done more here. They should have made a 800ws light or above at this form factor. The b10 plus is much larger than I thought too. It's not much smaller than a b1x in terms of length and that's disappointing considering what the b10 does. This of course is all in addition to the other real world issues I spoke about. It's a very hard light to justify for most people.

[@JMDPhotography-Chi]

Sounds like the people you’re addressing don’t understand f stops and the difference using profoto’s power system also to be fair power comparisons between the B10 and the B1x was about .5 stops difference. You’re still getting more light with the Plus but it’s just a little under 1 stop difference

[@travisharrisphotography]

exactly all correct.

[@leosilas1145]

Hi，Travis，I am wondering that whether B10 has freeze mode？I take stilllife photos a lot with B1X ，which enable me to catch the moment of water splash or other fast move things.Recently I am considering to invest B10/B10+ kits，but I failed to find the flash duration data on the official website😥

[@jaimecasal9915]

I have the B10 and it does have Freeze mode but you can only use freeze mode at or below x-sync speeds. If you google "Profoto B10 manual" you can see the details there as well. However, I haven't found any data yet on flash duration, I don't believe Profoto posts that data. But somebody with a new fancy light meter and 10 minutes of time could measure each level of power, that info is bound to pop up on the interwebs eventually.

[@leosilas1145]

Jaime Casal So appreciate your help ，and I found the flash duration data on the last several pages of manual.

[@kennethhart4859]

Hi Travis. Very informative video. I own the Profoto B2. Two lights and the power pack and chords along with the original B1(3). I shoot weddings some weddings and location photography. I’m thinking of selling the B2 and 1 B1 and invest in the B10. I would love to hear your professional opinion. Thanks in advance.

[@travisharrisphotography]

I think the B10 would be 100% perfect. I use it all the time in the same settings, often killing mid day sun with the small OCF Magnum reflector. This would work well for you as well.

[@kennethhart4859]

Thank you Travis.

[@memcrew1]

The confusion is in the terms being used. The wattage is the electrical energy the core can produce. The question however, is how much light output does the strobe converts from the electric energy(watts) Power does not necessarily equate to light output, due to efficiency issues.

[@travisharrisphotography]

There ya go! Good job :-) Yeah, I tend to try and make things as simple as possible as it relates to the real world use out in the field.

[@memcrew1]

@@travisharrisphotography Yes, it seemed to me ppl were confusing wattage with light output.

[@peterpeterson7784]

I know some of us got to be part of an online survey from Profoto many months ago and one thing I asked for was more power. But I was hoping for a unit the size of the B1x with the new electronics of the B10 and hoping for an output of 1000WS. I have to light bigger sports teams like football, track, etc and that can be a hundred or more players outside so I will take all the power I can get. Still I think you make your point and I may have to sell one of my B1 kits and go for the B10.

[@travisharrisphotography]

You sir have a great point. I wish too for 1000ws b1x. That would have been sick!!

[@samhartwig4640]

Which modal magnum dish do u use for your b10

[@MauiKao]

All good points brotha. I share the same feelings. Not enough to add Plus. Can just move B10 a couple steps closer like you said in previous video lol

[@travisharrisphotography]

This is 100% true! I do it all the time in real world, and yet to "not get the shot" because of it LOL.

[@nosauten]

Dude, you’re still a darn good photographer. Everyone makes mistakes, lol. I hope to make it to one of your workshops one day.

[@travisharrisphotography]

Thank you Anand! That means a lot! Nice to see some positive comments :-) I appreciate that. I just make videos to try and help others, in this case I wanted to let people know they can save money, and just get the B10 as its more powerful than people think.

[@PierreBurnaugh]

The B1X isn't going anywhere within 18 months because it serves a different purpose in the lineup. For instance, larger modifiers such as the 5ft Octa are not recommended for the B10 series but work fine with the B1X (and it's more studio dedicated relative the D series). Furthermore, the B1X is self-serviceable for changing the flash tube and/or if you'd like to use the dome accessory to optimize the 77 degree light spread for use in those aforementioned larger modifiers and beauty dishes. The B10 series is not self-serviceable and anything requiring the front "element" to be removed has to be sent in for service. In addition, as you did mention, the B1X is constructed more robustly with a heavier duty housing and for some purposes, the location of the B1X's carry handle on that more robust housing is more practical as well. The battery is rated at 325 full power pops on the B1X and 200 on the B10 Plus. I'd rather have the option of shooting longer on location with no mains power available. Another key item to note, is that the recycling time of the B1X will remain consistent over an extended amount of pops whereas the B10 series will begin to slow at some point (this could speak to output and/or color temperature consistency as well, but perhaps not, time and testing may tell). Although the B10 series is slightly more portable if you will, the B1 series remains portable as well. I doubt if the B10's will be as reliable duty-wise in rental houses worldwide also. So there are a host of differences below the surfaces of these products as well as reasons to keep the B1 series development in Profoto's product lineup.

[@travisharrisphotography]

We will see! You saying as a fact it's not going anywhere is as effective as me saying it is lol. Tho, I agree with you, although the difference is more than slight between the size of the b10 and b1x. It's significant. 6.6 pounds VS 3.2. As I said in the video, I maybe wrong about the b1x. Again, time will tell. Thanks for your vote to keep it around. 👍.

[@PierreBurnaugh]

​@@travisharrisphotography Right, both are predictions, we shall see. I remember when you were deciding whether to keep your B1X kit or not. Anyway, I agree and indeed enjoy your videos! :)

[@RayValdezPhotography]

the biggest issue with the b1 line is that it cant be plugged in. why is that an issue. the batteries lose charge over time and if they stop making batteries we are fucked. So i hope whatever the next light is that comes out that the batteries are b1 compatible and have a charging port built in.

[@travisharrisphotography]

@@PierreBurnaugh Thanks so much!

[@sirJbillz]

I agree, it also has quartz flash tubes instead of glass on the B10. rated to last 4X longer. The B1X line will be revamped before it ever gets discontinued.

[@michaellee7694]

It also very briefly mentions a B10 Plus X Battery coming

[@travisharrisphotography]

Yes, I would assume a larger battery is on the way. However.. this same battery will also work with the B10. Again, its too bad there was nothing unique in the B10+ in terms of battery efficiency. (in other words, whatever new battery comes out.. it will also expand my B10..) so the net difference is still the same either way.

[@adonaivisuals17]

Brother, I like your honesty, firstly you are honest to yourself and it easy for the next person admire your words. I am full time in photography. For now i do not get Job everyday or let me say consistently, also my work at the moment does not pay so much money, my clientele base does not believe in paying so much money for Photography. But that never change my perspective of doing my work at Professional at all cost, I started with a Minike product (Lighting) and Nikon D31 00. Now i am using Nikon D750 I need to upgrade to Profoto (lighting). I have been going through most of Profoto Episodes and other tutorials. I notice when you say for people are new in the field (although i am not new but i am not yet at that Higher level of travelling or Magazine cover, certain product photography etc) must not waste money. What can be your advice for me?

[@travisharrisphotography]

Thanks my man! I really appreciate what you said. Please.. DO NOT. buy Profoto. Thats going to be a bad investment. You are going to be WAY better off buying Godox, and saving a ton of cash. You will get the same result. I am going to make a video about gear very soon.. stay tuned.

[@djecek]

Fair said. Totally with you, even though I have B1x.

[@fishhisy]

I like the AD1200 PRO pack and head strobe from flashpoint no expensive triggers

[@travisharrisphotography]

Agreed. Many less costly options out there. I too will be changing one day soon. No need for this $$$$ crap anymore.

[@rachelpydiah4186]

Great work, and you just changed my mind in spending on a B10 Plus. Will stick to buying another B10 to complement my other B10. Fantastic work - keep up the very informative videos. Ramsey Spencer - you're a knob !

[@TheLieutenant1025]

Did you Know the flash tube can't not be replace in Both the B10 and The New B10 Plus?

[@mavfan1]

sure it can, you have to send it in to Profoto though.

[@travisharrisphotography]

@@mavfan1 this is correct. It's just no longer user replaceable like the old b1x.

[@jukeboxjohnnie]

Sure it can, but you have to send it back to them. To be honest, my B10s have been so incredible I don't mind that minor inconvenience

[@jennygw1883]

@@mavfan1 I dread to think what they charge.

[@travisharrisphotography]

@@jennygw1883 LOL. No idea. Before with the B1X it was about $167 for the tube, and was pretty easy to install. My Elinchrom quadras were around $120 for the same thing. I bet to have a B10 replaced its close to $220.

[@RayValdezPhotography]

how is the clarification video longer than the other video

[@travisharrisphotography]

Because I added in more thoughts, and gave some situations on who I think this light is perfect for, and some solid advice to photographers starting out. I think I put in the title "additional info". ? :-)

[@travisharrisphotography]

@@eriklundqvist4221 get a life dude. Seriously.

[@Noealz]

Interesting, good to know man

[@travisharrisphotography]

Thank you!

[@scottwhitten3787]

Do a side by side

[@TheJalbertstudios]

Love your thinking! Thanks for sharing!

[@travisharrisphotography]

Thanks Joe! I appreciate that very much!

[@anthonyknight5114]

Please don't apologize for other people's ignorance.

[@travisharrisphotography]

OMG. Thank you. I have to learn to not respond to people who are truly just trying to nit pick every little thing and cant "see the forest, beyond the trees" LOL.

[@francescogianniconsentino9301]

Yeah, but isn’t it right then, what Profoto claims, since 1 Stop is always the double amount of light? 🤔

[@travisharrisphotography]

At this point, now in 2020 I would not even buy the B10 anything anymore. I would look at Godox. New videos on the way on why, and what I mean soon.

[@mverick160]

Very confusing.

[@travisharrisphotography]

Yes, I know. It sure is. Again, check out Mark's video in the link above.. that maybe the best person to help explain some of what I was trying.

[@patrickcolpron3721]

B10 plus goes to 11, simple ;-)

[@travisharrisphotography]

haha, yes. Thanks Patrick. I screwed up that video huh, lol. Stay safe out there!

[@daltonrandall4348]

"I'll make this super quick..." *checks* The damn video is over 20 minutes!!

[@travisharrisphotography]

Yeah, I guess I rambled on huh, lol. Sorry about that. :-)

[@ziggy149]

Travis Harris Photography Ramble your ass off, man. It’s great. There’s always info in there I can use or questions answered I had in my head. You break it all the way down and that’s awesome.

[@Molaleni]

Let them buy the expensive Profoto so I can buy them on eBay lol

[@ajmacphoto]

So basically, these go to 11

[@travisharrisphotography]

LOL, exactly :-)

[@picturef8]

And yet the light on your face is bordering on hot and should be dailed back a smidge . Ironic huh

[@travisharrisphotography]

Lol not really. This has nothing to do with anything. It's hard making videos all alone. I pretty much plop the camera down and flip on a light of some kind and start talking. It's the message that's important. If I leaned back a little it would have been under exposed by some of you. So, who cares? Seriously.

[@picturef8]

@@travisharrisphotography exactly, what's good for the gander is good for the goose