Prog Rock Myths: DEBUNKED!!!

There are plenty of misconceptions about our beloved genre. So let’s destroy them all!!!! Prog Rock Rules!!!

[@eximusic]

Persian rugs were a rock thing, not just a prog thing. Grateful Dead and Eagles had persian rugs. Prog having mostly male audiences was a fact. Even Phil Collins complained about that in an interview about the early Genesis days with mainly "bearded boys" in the audience. The music that is the core of prog was purely British (Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, ELP, Can, Van Der Graaf Generator, Camel, Gong, Caravan, Henry Cow). Who was non-British prog? PFM - Italy, Focus (not quite prog) - Holland, Zappa (not entirely prog) US, Rush (B-string 2nd generation prog) Canada. Not the majority and not pure prog outside of Britain.

[@lemming9984]

At last someone else has said what I've been saying since 1976 - "Punk ended Prog" is nonsense. I was 16 in 1976, my friends and I had no interest or association with it. We mostly just pointed and laughed. Punk was mostly (justified) anger at the political state of the country, but to pretend that it was a musical movement is wrong. The Pistols in particular were just pawns - McLaren's clothes horses. Punk lasted for just over a year, then morphed into New Wave, which was aeons better, and actually musical.

[@kevinputry5655]

So true, especially since Rush flourished at that time period.

[@martinspencer1618]

A lot of New Wave bassists were clearly heavily influenced by Chris Squire.

[@TheProgCorner]

Definitely.

[@keithparker1346]

Punk was musical...but yeah it was really just a blip and disco/electronica was probably far more influential

[@larsman9169]

Punk morphed into post-punk, which was not at all skinny-tie 'new wave', which was going on concurrently with punk. A lot of punk bands were wanting to play more complex music as their skills improved, hence post-punk. I was 25 in 1976 and in the music business; I was there.

[@snowblind-rm7vo]

Love your show Scott, more Italian prog casts.

[@TheProgCorner]

You know I love my Italian Prog!!!!

[@UNIT-h2d]

'Your music's become pretentious and prog rock.' This was a complaint sent to us by email in 2020 when our group released our album Alone In A Quiet Place. What do people actually mean when they accuse a group of being 'pretentious'? It is derived from the word 'pretend' which means a pretentious group is one which pretends to be something it is not...so what does that group pretend to be? This further implies the group is really something else, i.e. the thing other than what it pretends to be...which is what exactly? The original members of Genesis all attended Charterhouse public school. In these establishments, pupils were given a classical education and this usually included Latin and Greek. When Genesis numbers incorporate references to Greek mythology (for example) they are being true to their roots, to their education...in other words, the precise opposite of pretentious. One might argue Match Of The Day is a more plausible candidate for being called 'pretentious' than The Fountain Of Salmacis. When people accuse a group of being 'pretentious' what they usually mean is 'your lyrics and music are too complex and too difficult for the tepid shallows of my torpid feeble brain to comprehend'. As for snobbery...yes, I am an inveterate snob. I admit it. Indeed, I revel in it. Well, Hashem has granted me 1 life on this planet so why waste my brain, eyes and ears on rubbish when instead I can enjoy the best of civilisation? I prefer to read Dryden and Dante rather than Stephen King and James Herbert novels. I prefer to listen to J S Bach, Jean Sibelius and Benjamin Britten rather than punk rock and gangster rap. Progressive rock is the only form of non-classical music that speaks to me, that takes me to places I want to go...is that pretentious? Well, if it is, then I really don't give a damn! However, I suspect I am far more pretentious and far more of a snob than any progressive rock group will ever be. Afterthought: most British punk rock bands featured spoiled white boys from nice middle class homes who wrote 'songs' about being unemployed because they wanted to leap onto the bandwagon and appear relevant. Now THAT is being pretentious!

[@TheProgCorner]

Exactly!!!! They were all frauds!!!!

[@josephgerard5473]

YES! Well said, that man. By the way, chaps, your new album Am Yisrael Chai is absolutely superb...apart from a couple of lyrics I find a bit problematic but then what can we expect from the Ben Shapiro / Ron Desantis Fan Club? No, seriously, well done, lads.

[@jackr.1609]

I think, for the British thing, you say "bollocks."

[@TheProgCorner]

Oh man!!!! I dropped the ball on that.

[@keithparker1346]

Or the more socially polite but dated "cobblers"

[@mikehoffler4097]

I always took the Gabriel/Collins debate in parallel with Waters/Gilmour. It's commercialism versus artistry. I can listen to all 4 artists and enjoy their music, but Waters and Gabriel have the perception of being artists, seeking to perfect their art, in lieu of wealth or commercial success. Personally, it's all enjoyable, but I do think that Waters especially, Gabriel as well, hit deeper truths about being human, notions that could apply to the entirety of humanity.

[@bobsala7780]

I thought for sure one of your items would be that Prog Rock is for nerds. But the fact that you didn’t debunk it might mean it’s true.

[@TheProgCorner]

Yeah, it’s definitely a fact!!!!

[@deaconofbeacon733]

This episode HAD to be made. Flapdoodle..right on Man!!

[@TheProgCorner]

Thank you!!!

[@darcyska]

Love the video - and so applicable to tons of other genres. Along with prog, I love ska and reggae and punk, and so many of these same myths can apply, or even different ones - it always makes for a good conversation! We love because, and the best way to show that love is to share it with others and make sure we can make everyone feel welcome!

[@TheProgCorner]

Yeah!!!

[@natenash4509]

Prog is not pretentious music.. it’s intelligent music. In my opinion it helps you think about things and bands like Genesis, Pink Floyd , and The Mothers Of Invention have plenty of soul in their music.

[@TheProgCorner]

I obviously agree!!!!!

[@micolsen9824]

9:17 humm... supergroup ASIA would say otherwise.😅

[@NelsonMontana1234]

I think there's something to all of the "myths" even if they aren't absolute. Prog ran its course, as did its influence, and musical styles always go back and forth. It can be pretentious, but...so what? As for Zappa having humor in his music, I think THAT is pretentious. He's trying to be smug and superior and it's actually pretty puerile. And true, the development of prog was a "process" but I remember hearing "Court" and it was simply another level of music. And sure, prog attracts musicians because being able to play prog will make you a better player! The classical element is coming more from British bands. And as far as being snobs? So are jazz heads and classical heads. As for the lyrics...it depends. I don't think anyone listens to YES lyrics for the lyrics. Long songs? Let's face it -- a lot of prog sounds like different songs stuck together because that's what it is! But that was part of the prog trip. At least the old prog bands had songs. Some of the newer ones just have a bunch of chops with no hooks. Is prog dead? Damn, rock music is dead. And here comes A.I.

[@TheProgCorner]

AI Prog will rule the world in 2112.

[@jeffschielka7845]

@@TheProgCorner Attention all planets of the solar confederation!!!🪐🪐🪐👍😎

[@NelsonMontana1234]

@@TheProgCorner We'll touch base on that one!

[@keithparker1346]

Well argued as imo some criticisms of prog are valid. I think for me the most valid one is that it's just complicated for it's own sake. Producer Trevor Horn sometimes had problems with Yes wanting to make parts of 90125 too complicated...keep it simple

[@paultomaney8285]

........another great video ( but the Jon Anderson's lyrics must be the antithesis of Dylan. Nevertheless, the live in great songs, so he must have something right!

[@TheProgCorner]

It’s not logical but Anderson’s lyrics just work. They shouldn’t. But they so do.

[@keithparker1346]

​@@TheProgCornerin one interview he said he just picked phrases or words that sound well together...and he was right

[@jhillst]

You make an interesting point about prog being a "white man's" genre. That's largely true, although a few black artists have dabbled in it -- Stevie Wonder perhaps being the most notable example. Some other prog artists have had black session players, such as George Duke (keyboardist for Frank Zappa), Chester Thompson (touring drummer for Genesis), and Peter Gabriel of course has worked with several black musicians including Manu Katche, P.P. Arnold and Youssou N'Dour.

[@TheProgCorner]

Fantastic!!!! All worthy of being in the discussion!!!

[@AndrzejFornal-b6h]

Julian Jay Savarin!

[@SteveSmith-md1fl]

Lol. You are the greatest. Good stuff. Fun to watch. Peace.

[@TheProgCorner]

Thank you!!!

[@stewarttiley9683]

Episode on Blue Oyster Cult? Imaginos is the ultimate Metal Prog concept album imo!

[@TheProgCorner]

Good idea!

[@antonnee]

Congrats on reaching 10,000 subscribers.

[@TheProgCorner]

Amazing, right???

[@nickmastro6870]

Prog isn’t necessarily so serious; Canterbury scene and Zappa

[@nickmastro6870]

Geniuses with humor

[@TheProgCorner]

Exactly!

[@SRV2013]

I heard Martin Popoff say that all prog is concept albums about Elves and fairies. What prog is he listening to?

[@TheProgCorner]

Exactly. That’s funny though…

[@WayneTheMusicalHermit]

Another great video Scot. The sound effects and the use of the thesaurus had me dying.

[@TheProgCorner]

Wayne!!!! Where do you think I came up with some of those!!!!??

[@WayneTheMusicalHermit]

@@TheProgCorner the thesaurus

[@timdoggart6787]

Great fun as always, Scot!

[@TheProgCorner]

Thank you, Tim!!!!!

[@jhillst]

You forgot one: "Prog and pop are complete opposites; you have to be one or the other." Now that one irks me the most.

[@TheProgCorner]

That’s a good one!!!

[@keithparker1346]

Yes I think you can still make complex music but it be catchy and accessible

[@TheProgCorner]

@@keithparker1346 Absolutely!!!!

[@AndrzejFornal-b6h]

Najbardziej pretensjonalne zespoły to Pink Floyd i U2!

[@denisden934]

#6 : It's a british thing... Tell that to a Rush fan...

[@garethglynnash419]

Regarding item number 12: I agree with your premise that “the bands did it to themselves.“ The perfect example of this… And of a band owning it… Was Renaissance. In the 80s they went completely sparkly pop in the decades that followed, Annie Haslam herself, has said that, trying to follow the trends in music almost killed the band and the bands output since the 80s has been a return to their roots… Thankfully!

[@TheProgCorner]

They were all thinking about it all wrong!!!

[@wizardofoz6811]

Excellent Scot! Common sense and intelligent thoughts is all you need. And a little of flapdoople of course!

[@TheProgCorner]

What is a flapdoodle anyways?

[@Andregrindle]

This is a fascinating list, been watching your videos for a month or so. About the notion that prog has no soul? Perhaps those who say that are talking about the most British of progressive rock music. A few years ago, a music loving friend of mine was trying to define "prog" in terms of other styles of it, such as progressive jazz fusion and progressive soul. Especially with the later obviously, if you include those styles under the umbrella of prog? Its most definitely a music that has soul to it. Depends on how multi faceted you look at progressive music in general.

[@TheProgCorner]

I believe in the BIG TENT version of Prog. No gatekeeping going on here. Stevie Wonder was definitely Prog in the seventies, for example. 👍👍👍

[@CharlieBramald]

The man, the myth, the legend.... it's SCOT! Doing the Prog Gods' work

[@CharlieBramald]

Flapdoodle!!!!!!!

[@TheProgCorner]

We love you, Charlie!!!! ❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️

[@CharlieBramald]

@@TheProgCorner not as much as I love you!

[@TheProgCorner]

@CharlieBramald ❤️❤️❤️🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧

[@stevenasseltyne2920]

How can anyone know so many groups and albums? Amazing information Scot. I Enjoy your videos and it's very entertaining! Great infornation an analysis.

[@TheProgCorner]

I’m a freak with no life!!!!

[@stevenasseltyne2920]

You are a very valuable source of information to those of us that like progressive rock and we appreciate the work you do.

[@TheProgCorner]

Thank you so much!!!

[@terrymtbnurse4760]

Prog is dead? I just got: Amarok-Hope, Le Orme with Friends, Caligula's Horse-Charcoal Grace, Jordsjo-Salighet, and Arabs in Aspic-Victim of your fathers Agony. Just to name a few. These are all 100% better than anything that is on the radio. I'm just an old 80's Metal Head and I just can't get enough of this new Prog. I love it.

[@TheProgCorner]

Fantastic!!!!

[@briankellogg2751]

Nice One Scott!! Prog lyrics are pretentious??? I cite the Focus song "I Need A Bathroom" - Say No More. Greetings from Central California!!

[@TheProgCorner]

👍👍👍

[@gratefulblac]

King Crimson were'nt around in the late 70s. Robert Fripp had broken up the band in 1974. Yes are responsible for some of the most overblown boring rock with their triple album - Tales from Topographic Oceans. Inspiration no.1 for John Lydon's claim that hippies were boring old farts. Emerson, Lake and Palmer were basically playing unoriginal classical music on a huge bank of synths, keyboards and Moog oscillators. It was becoming very stale by about 1975. The whole prog scene started to lose momentum in about 1975. Peter Gabriel left Genesis. Pink Floyd were taking 2 years for each album to be recorded and released. Other hippie bands such as The Grateful Dead, Gong, Hawkwind etc had all passed their best days and were releasing pretty average albums.

[@TheProgCorner]

Prog did not die in 1974!!!! Some of the seventies bands got lazy, rich and tired…

[@thecandlemaker1329]

Punk killed prog? try "prog birthed punk"! Listen to Nadir's Big Chance and tell me it's not the genesis of brit-punk.

[@TheProgCorner]

A good call. PH definitely helped invent Punk.

[@hauskahirvi]

Great video and good fun! As we know it has been said that Prog bands such as ELP, Yes, etc. were "over the top" in many ways. However, for example, Led Zeppelin has some lyrics that were just as good, bad, pretentious or what ever compared to Prog bands but were not criticized. And look at the over the top stage productions of The Rolling Stones in the mid 70s or U2's over the top stage productions in their later years. I think Prog bands are, or were, criticized more so than bands in other genres ;-)

[@TheProgCorner]

Exactly right!!!

[@katesjanice]

Kansas, especially Kerry Livgren, played with a black RnB band in his early days, playing songs by the Temptations and others.

[@TheProgCorner]

That’s right!!!!!!

[@kenl2091]

I think 'Tony Banks ruined Genesis' might have some more traction (not saying I agree with it but it is arguable) Punk was one of the pressures that altered the course of prog but didn't kill it. I doubt if any prog fans would give the other 'myths' the time of day but I do look forward to the UK v US debate. There can only be one winner (and they're East of the Atlantic) but it's only on points and Sweden, Canada, Japan and now Norway also want a shot at the title.

[@TheProgCorner]

Norway is the new king of Prog.

[@marknieuweboer8099]

It's very possible to be pretentious ánd have fun at the same time. ELP and Gentle Giant are great examples. They combining these aspects so well is actually a reason I like them best out of the prog bands. Eg Lake's porn guitar on Still You Turn Me On contrasts hilariously with his solemn, now and then dramatic singing (the live version bores me).

[@TheProgCorner]

Exactly!!!! Greg and his heart guitar!!!

[@ericfried6229]

Great episode Scot! The part about Elves made laugh. I’ve heard that one before but I can’t think of very many examples of that except for maybe Jon Anderson’s Olias or Spinal Taps Stonehenge 😂

[@TheProgCorner]

Spinal Tap!!!!

[@skallagrimr_kveldulfsson]

There are bands who debunk several of those myths with their music. I just listened to Otoboke Beaver from Japan. They combine punk with proggy experimental elements, they are women, they are from Asia, their music is humorous, they are so untypical for prog stereotypes that many people would probably dismiss them as a prog band, they probably would not call themselves prog ... but I find the spirit of the unconventional and rebellious in their music, the same energy that may have brought prog to life.

[@TheProgCorner]

I’ve heard of them!!!

[@OutOnTheTiles]

Ya agreed Phil did not ruin Genesis. Everything up to Duke is absolute golden and some amazing sings. Absolute nonsense.

[@TheProgCorner]

👍👍👍

[@LuisGarcia-ee2tr]

Excellent idea Scot! I've been thinking that "prog is a men's club." In reality this happens with music in all its genres and in all eras. There were, there are and there will be many more male musicians than female musicians. The difference is notable. At least, it's my personal opinion. But I think I'm not wrong. I don't know if there is a natural inclination of men greater than women. It may also be that men may be more adventurous in being a bohemian, much more so than women. Could be. Don't know.

[@TheProgCorner]

Societal norms definitely play a role here.

[@markjacobsen8335]

Awesome episode. You did leave out a big one, though - prog is just 20-minute guitar solos. Huh? I cannot think of one guitar solo in prog that lasts more than a minute or two, and most are much less. Several minute guitar solos are a jam band and blues thing. Oh, and speaking of the blues - there are no rock musicians more pretentious than blues rock musicians! They all think they can do those same two or three progressions better than the last guy! Give me a break! If you've heard one blues rock song, then you've heard all three of them!

[@TheProgCorner]

Good one!!!!! 👍👍👍

[@ianemery4355]

I just love all types of music lots of prog influences! I'm with you Scot! 👍

[@TheProgCorner]

Yes!!!!

[@JohnnyRecently]

Italian is my wife's favorite prog sub-genre.

[@TheProgCorner]

Good wife!!

[@larsman9169]

#5 - Marillion fans tried to burn down the Cardiacs's banner at the back of the stage while they were performing; Fish had invited them on the tour and they had to leave because of threats of violence and incidents like this from the Marillion 'fans'. Fish was not pleased by this.

[@TheProgCorner]

I remember hearing about that.

[@rozzgrey801]

I would say that prog rock is the single biggest influence there has ever been on contemporary music and has hugely affected all other genres, including pop, heavy metal, disco, reggae. I can hear prog influences everywhere in music. The innovative and imaginative use of exotic instruments and musical styles and fusing different genres is what defines prog and all other musical genres have benefited from sometimes adopting the same techniques which prog first pioneered.

[@TheProgCorner]

Yes!!!

[@mikereiss4216]

I've known a few prog fans who don't listen to hardly anything besides prog but they are rather rare.

[@TheProgCorner]

Man cannot live by Prog alone…

[@andrewlongshaw2128]

Prog songs are too long? Long enough to eat a curry to...

[@maxwelltalley612]

Long enough to MAKE a curry, sometimes!

[@TheProgCorner]

Yes!!!!

[@andrewlongshaw2128]

Or get one delivered to the stage..

[@jeffschielka7845]

@@TheProgCorner 🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹👍😎

[@tedmallar4049]

hey, scott, i have an idea for an episode > the 3 songs that best show the spirit of prog are: starship troopers, fifth of firth, & learning to fly (pink floyd) ~ 😊

[@TheProgCorner]

I like it!!!

[@bbchronicles736]

Another great show, Scot! Although you may be preaching to the choir here, we need you to make the case and set these things straight! Great job!

[@TheProgCorner]

Just laying down the LAW!!! 👍👍👍

[@dan44762000]

Prog might have started in the US but as is usual in all things musical, the British perfected it and produced the best bands showcasing it, it's fine to believe differently but you're just deluding yourself, the best bands in the world are British followed closely but very much behind by the USA, just a basic fact of Life! Suck it up.

[@TheProgCorner]

The Brits DEFINITELY perfected it!!!

[@dan44762000]

@@TheProgCorner Amen brother

[@WooBino.]

Scot, have you checked your P.O. Box lately?

[@TheProgCorner]

I haven’t been yet this week. My wife is going to the PO today so…

[@ilabelle1]

It kinda irks me that a lot of Prog people consider a Prog band to be made up of a Hammond/Moog, guitar, bass and drums and that’s it. I noticed I ruffled a couple of feathers on Sunday with my inclusion of people like John Lydon or Nina Hagen. As far as I’m concerned my definition of Prog is any kind of art that pushes boundaries is Prog. Prog means progressive and progressive means progress and progress means advancing something beyond its parameters. We refer to Prog bands more as a catch phrase as opposed to what it truly means. I have always been interested in art that takes risks and is trying to say something. As long as people continue to make art (hopefully) Prog will always be there. Visionaries will never go away. One could argue under my definition that even punk was progressive. It was after all moving things forward. I also like to think, although I may be wrong that fans of Prog are open to new sounds. If not then is that really being progressive or is it something else? Prog isn’t a club it’s an ideal.

[@TheProgCorner]

That’s right. Prog is not a form of music but a way of approaching music.

[@keithparker1346]

I saw an argument that both punk and prog were REGRESSIVE with punk harking back to simplistic rock and roll and prog harking back to classical music

[@mattw8332]

I'm about as working class / lower class as you can get, grew up on a housing estate in England and I love Prog!

[@TheProgCorner]

There you go!!!!

[@newdawnofprog]

Let there be prog. Great show. Cheers and prog on.

[@TheProgCorner]

🇧🇦👍❤️

[@ericdinse5047]

I've got a good friend who grew up in the 70's and was a HUGE classic prog rock fan but he embraced the Ramones, the Clash, et al. The genre fans who hated punk / new wave were usually 70's hard rockers.

[@TheProgCorner]

I think you might be right about that!!!!

[@micolsen9824]

It used to bother my progressive rock buddies when I'd tell them... Deep purple are progressive rock...they just happened to be fun too. 😜 Great episode!

[@TheProgCorner]

Deep Purple is Prog!!!!!

[@AlbrechtAaron]

Osibisa is from Ghana and theyre a great prog band!

[@TheProgCorner]

And the first two had Roger Dean covers!!!!

[@progrockdock]

Great episode, Scot! Always love your take on things!~Sebastian

[@TheProgCorner]

Sebastian!!!!!

[@susancioffi1845]

Another great one Scot!

[@TheProgCorner]

Thanks, Susan!!!!

[@paulcollins5586]

All good points. Well explained.

[@TheProgCorner]

Paul!!!!!

[@Soundbrigade]

#12 Prog died because all possible mellotron and synth solos had been played … #11 No comment #10 No comment #9 Prog IS pretentious …. But that’s what we appreciate! #8 see #9 #7 Annie Haslam had her birthday a few days ago. #6 True ….and Italian! #5 Just because I drive a 8-cylinder Jaguar, am a platinum member in the local country club, doesn’t mean I am a snob. But prog is not for blue collars. #4 Haven’t heard a song about pink elephants … (Fairies Living In The Bottom Of A Garden) #3 A three minute prog song is NOT, I repeat is NOT prog. #2 Marillion #1 see #2 OK, now I have to listen to your arguments …. 😅

[@keithparker1346]

I would argue you can be prog in 3 minutes it just won't be long. There are classical pieces that are short and complex

[@Soundbrigade]

@@keithparker1346 King Crimson - Peace, A Beginning - 0.49 King Crimson - Peace, A Theme - 1.15 King Crimson - Book of Saturday - 2.49 Banco - Traccia II - 2.39 Banco - Bisbigli - 1.40 Banco - In Volo - 2.17 Congreso - Has Visto Caer Una Lágrima - 2.26 Crucis - Corto Amanecer - 2.55 Moody Blue - Send Me No Wine - 2.21 Moody Blue - I Never Thought I'd Live To Be A Hundred - 1.05 Museo Rosenbach - Al Di Là Bene E Male - 2.39 Spring - Baots - 1.50 Renaissance - Love Goes On - 2.49 McDonald&Giles - Is She Waiting - 2.36 Soft Machine - E.P.V. - 2.47 Fripp&Sylvian - Gone To Earth - 2.28 Andreas Vollenweider - Sisterseed - 1.33 Just a few from my CD's so I guess you're right ...

[@YESFan1971]

Excellent video (as usual).

[@TheProgCorner]

Thanks, Kenneth!!!

[@mikebruce3933]

Great to see such a positive show! My only disappointment was that you didn't use the word bunkum when debunking myths. (Now that I've written that, I hope to heck I'm right!)

[@TheProgCorner]

That word felt too “on the money.”

[@mikebruce3933]

@@TheProgCorner 😂😉

[@philvogelfilms]

Scot got a new thesaurus and learned some editing tricks 😂

[@TheProgCorner]

That’s right!!! (I hate editing so I rarely do much of it…)

[@danielfuentes3226]

It's excelent show Scot.But I don't agree that prog. Is dead .It's so alive today than it was in the 70's.Their prog. Bands today that are excelent.

[@TheProgCorner]

Absolutely!!!!!!

[@danielfuentes3226]

@@TheProgCorner 👍

[@antonnee]

Point 3 (songs are too long) is a bit subjective. When I tell people that a song I like is 7, 8, 9 minutes long, they look at me completely astonished. To them a 5 minute song is considered long, while for me a long song starts at 10 minutes and on.

[@TheProgCorner]

👍👍👍

[@keithparker1346]

I think a song should be as long as it merits...if it's great in sub 2 minutes then it's fine also 20 minute pieces can be great

[@kevinogracia1615]

Prog has always progressed into progression... and vice versa. Peace on earth.

[@TheProgCorner]

That’s confusing…

[@kevinogracia1615]

@@TheProgCorner Naw, prog on grog is still prog. (Prog is just a word... like lotus petals falling below our feet.)

[@Prog-Radio]

Hogwash! Good stuff. Myth #13. You can’t dance to prog. In general maybe, but there are plenty of exceptions. Try listening to Locomotive Breath without boppin’!

[@TheProgCorner]

Good one!!!!

[@daicullinane7746]

Turn it on Again is really easy to dance to aswell.

[@ChrissHill-im7kj]

Save the Crimson King too!

[@TheProgCorner]

For sure!!!

[@markspooner1224]

A lovely bit of debunking, it needed to be done.

[@TheProgCorner]

Absolutely!!!!!

[@Lady.Luthien]

Another myth (which you did touch on a little) is that women don't like prog! Not only are there great women prog musicians, but the fanbase has loyal female fans, too.

[@TheProgCorner]

Good one!!!!!

[@AndrzejFornal-b6h]

Annie Haslam,Sonja Kristina,Lady Jo Meek!

[@nigelheathcote6084]

Totally agree just coz punk came about it never wiped out fk all,to me punk was a new inspiration, an addition to music and won’t turn my back on what came before just because some twat tells me so ❤

[@TheProgCorner]

That’s the spirit!!!

[@nigelheathcote6084]

Things to do today,big black 👍🏻

[@thomasbeck2934]

Good read on Genesis Scot. 👍🏻

[@TheProgCorner]

👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️

[@kimmohietala5359]

Dance with them snakes 🐍

[@TheProgCorner]

Do it!!!!!!

[@celestindupilon2773]

Aaah! Prog ist Scot and Scot ist Prog! Cheers, Célestin

[@TheProgCorner]

Yes!!!

[@ChrissHill-im7kj]

Save king chucky!

[@TheProgCorner]

Save that son of a gun!!!

[@andrewhamer2512]

Totally agree 100%!

[@TheProgCorner]

Hey!!

[@thomasbeck2934]

Great show Scot!!

[@TheProgCorner]

Thomas!!!! 👍👍❤️❤️

[@scottmcrae3355]

I spy Icky Mettle!!

[@TheProgCorner]

I’m such a fan. Even the new one was great. Icky Mettle and Vee Vee are perfect though!!!

[@BrockwaysVinylBytes]

Great video Scot!!! You’re the best.

[@TheProgCorner]

Thanks, Cody!!!!!!

[@kratino]

FLAPDOODLE! LMAO

[@TheProgCorner]

👍👍👍

[@scottgillham2000]

Flapdoodle!!!

[@TheProgCorner]

Yes indeed!!!

[@aminahmed2220]

Absolutely fantastic have a wonderful day Scot ❤😊

[@grantg60]

I think there was a lot of good black prog. Isaac Hayes, stevie wonder, Curtis mayfield, Earth wind and fire, margin Gaye, Donny Hathaway to name a few. A different type of prog but lots of interesting and thoutful music going on which should be appreciated by prog fans.

[@TheProgCorner]

Stevie!!!!!! Yes.

[@davidtaylor9008]

Yeah, there's all of this stuff under the rubric "progressive soul" or "black prog", which somehow tends to slip under the radar when people are having these discussions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_soul

[@stevenasseltyne2920]

Curtis Mayfield's "A New World Order" is total prog.

[@TABL3SIX]

Love these lists Scot. I've been listening to a lot of Marillion lately. Mostly the first four albums w Fish. Debunk this: Marillion is a Genesis ripoff. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@TABL3SIX]

This wasn't meant as a troll. I like Marillion. Honest question.

[@TheProgCorner]

Early Marillion was perhaps flying a little too close to the mothership but later albums like Brave and Marbles sound nothing like Genesis.

[@TABL3SIX]

@@TheProgCorner I need to give Brave a few more listens. A lot prog experts say its one of their best.

[@TheProgCorner]

It’s really good. For me it’s kinda where H era found its groove. And I really like the latest one too!!!

[@TABL3SIX]

@@TheProgCorner the latest one is where I came aboard. I'm embarrassed. Always coming late to the party. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@michaelbaucom4019]

Phil Collins ruined Genesis?! From what I've observed, Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks were all for becoming a " pop " band. Prog is pretentious?! Anyone who watched MTV/VH1 in the 80s interview the stars of the day saw artists full of...Pretentious BS. The Beatles were called that too. Lyrics: the lyrics of Kansas' Kerry Livgren(spirituality and seeking peace)helped me get into prog. Supertramp's Roger Hodgson and Rick Davies often have spiritual issues/angst and melancholy in their songs Long songs?! Well, there are still many folks who only want 3 minute songs So glad Scot is on decaf today...

[@TheProgCorner]

The Mountain Dew still flows through my veins.

[@alexposilkin9683]

I hope there’s a future video you make entitled something like “You’ll never believe what happened to me when I heard this prog album!” when you do your next click-bait week. Also, most people don’t know, or ignore, the fact that prog has been used in both popular and underground hip hop for decades. Everything from Kanye using 21st Century Schizoid Man, to MF Doom rapping over Gentle Giant. You can say prog is too complicated, but the hip hop acts saw the value in prog, and made great beats to rhyme over. So everyone has listened to prog without even realizing it!

[@TheProgCorner]

And Travis Scott too!!!

[@deadfdr]

Good analysis, Scot! I don’t like any genre more than any another. My favs are those that blend genres: Romantic, Impressionistic, 20th Century Symphonic/Piano, Vocal Standards, Big Band, Be-Bop, Hard Bop, Pop, Pop Rock, Motown, Soul, Prog Rock, Metal, Prog Jazz, Avant Garde, Prog Pop, Funk, Jazz Funk, Prog Jazz Rock, Fusion, Soft Rock, Symphonic Prog, New Wave, Post Punk, Synth Pop, Some Rap, Dream Pop, New Country etc and yes while I’m at it I did not forget that I don’t like genres that are unidimensional: Baroque, Early Classical/Romantic, Opera, Minimalism, Serialism, Dixieland, Doo-Wop, Traditional Country, Garage Rock, Blues, Disco, Punk, Reggae, Mindless Rap, Hair Bands, Thrash Metal

[@TheProgCorner]

Nice work!!!!

[@mikaelsvanberg6300]

Speaking of snobbery in music there is a certain kind of such among fans of, let's call it more minimalist music; like anything only slightly more complicated than Ramones or The Cramps is considered snobbish and, oh, unauthentic. I like the bands mentioned but don't think they are any more real than the big prog bands, just doing a different thing.

[@TheProgCorner]

Indeed!!!! 👍

[@frederickbartel2837]

5:02 LMAO! Interesting, informative and entertaining, as always.

[@TheProgCorner]

Thank you!!!

[@alexkozik3796]

Spot on Scot!! I'm totally with you on liking prog but liking other genres of rock as well. I love Prog,Metal,Hard Rock,Classic Rock, and a little bit of everything on the rock spectrum. So I am completely open minded when it comes to music. I just subscribe as I love what you are doing with the channel. In particular the panel discussions as I LOVE the panel discussions when it comes to music. Can't wait to see what is in store for the future of your channel.

[@TheProgCorner]

Thank you so much!!!!

[@progman777]

So Scot (A Great Yes fan!) Who is better.? Yes - present day OR Jon and the geeks?

[@TheProgCorner]

I will reserve judgment until Jon’s new album comes out!!!!!

[@progman777]

@@TheProgCornerGood Idea!

[@progman777]

I miss Rick! Wakeman is The BEST!

[@TheProgCorner]

He is!!! Too bad Rick, Jon and Steve can’t do one more record together.

[@progman777]

@@TheProgCorner That would be HEAVEN!

[@kevinputry5655]

Scott, you are one major living thesaurus! I think you named every synonym for nonsense.

[@TheProgCorner]

Blarney!!!!

[@Sammeep02]

A video you needed to make. Especially #12, #11 and #5 Nothing ended prog, nobody ruined Genesis, and no genre is off limits for proggers! Heck, prog is just one of the more recent genres added to my taste (possibly the widest music taste in history)

[@TheProgCorner]

It had to be said!!!!!

[@mwcoater]

You kept me waiting for balderdash. I didn’t think it was going to make it in. Always good to keep the best for last😊

[@TheProgCorner]

That’s right!!!!

[@stukevideo]

Freakin' flappin' forkin' fishin' floppin' GOOD program!

[@TheProgCorner]

It’s a hit!!!!

[@frommetoyou1981]

I agree with all points there... like most things in life - people are desperate to narrow things down, abbreviate in a simple way so they can be 'defined' ...With your help!! King chuckie will live happily ever after!!

[@TheProgCorner]

That’s right!!!

[@rosshageman951]

Great video Scott. I just hate when the flapdoodle takes over.

[@TheProgCorner]

Me too!!!

[@joaod.andradecosme5869]

Thank you Professor Scot for this great video.

[@TheProgCorner]

Thank you!!!