PROJECT CARS 2 - HONEST REVIEW - GOOD / BAD / SIMCADE ?

Here it is our Honest Review of Project Cars 2 !
No fancy editing or music in this video, just 30 minutes of a crazy Sim-Racing British guy trying to cover all the questions and the most pertinent aspects of PC2 that I keep getting asked about in all our live stream and preview videos !
Simply put Project cars 2 is a "land mark" simulator with that in mind though it in no way "DESTROYS" other simulators on the market more its just another epic driving simulation to add to the collection of simulators !
The best things about project cars 2 is how versatile it is along with its usability (especially when you consider how complex it is)
, how well it works in VR and the shear quantity of content.
The worse thing about Project Cars 2 is that its AI is really erratic and the "single player campaign" is rather underwhelming. With the game also suffering from the same problems other simulators do in that sometimes you have to dig to really find those golden nuggets.
I'd say If you like GPL , Assetto Corsa, iRacing , Race Room Racing Experience , AMS, Rfactor 2, Richard Burns Rally , Dirt Rally ,Live for speed , Mario kart 8. There is a very high probability that at least something in Project Cars 2 will give you a small smile. A smile which you will then hide so that you can complain on forums about tire models again.
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[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Thanks for watching ! *GETTING A WHEEL FOR PROJECT CARS 2 OR JUST BUYING GADGETS ON AMAZON ?* USE OUR AMAZON LINK TO HELP KEEP US ON THE AIR ! -UK amzn.to/2ygqzqr USA amzn.to/2xUolkk Makes no difference to you but a huge difference to me and this channel :) Also thanks to SMS for reaching out to us and giving us press access to project cars 2 , I have had a ton of fun playing through it and making video content with the game, its going to be really exciting to see PC2 develop after launch and also see how many new drivers it brings to sim-racing !

[@misterdog7]

Great review, couldn't agree more after having clocked in 196 hours myself ;)

[@toddmcdonough]

No, thank you GamerMuscle. Been loving the live streams as well. Lots of good banter, driving and shrubbery. Cheers from California!

[@bassax7045]

spontanious interview with Ian Bell on you tube streamers channel kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4SVgH6Lp8ebY9k starts at 2:03:20 - Ian Bell joins for interview. Ian loves Assetto Corsa : ) !!!!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

California !!!! you are not welcome here with your sun shine beaches and attractive women. Glad you enjoy it all + thanks for repeatedly coming to the streams.

[@Soulstoner]

Got a Canadian Amazon link?

[@Cannedraviolicanmakegoodfarts]

10:02 “They don’t ram into you most of the times”, AI proceeds to ram into him.

[@NigraXXL]

Does anyone know of any youtuber that actually has driven real cars too? I watch GM and JB but none of them actually have a IRL point of reference. Many simracers have their opinions about the FFB and stuff in all of these games but only have the games themselves as reference points, while the developers usually work along real life drivers, it just seems weird to me that they'd release something that isn't approved by the real world drivers they work with.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Real world drivers argue about things as much as sim racers , if its any consolation my views of how sim cars should handle is more on the forgiving side in line with the general philosophy of prity much any real world driver I have spoken with and for the most part in line with how Kunos and SMS believe cars should handle.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Oh at some point I'll get to a real track and do a comparison video with real cars, but its going to cost at least £1000 to do so it wont be for a while lol.

[@NigraXXL]

Make a donation goal for the £1000 so you can make it to the tracks. Looking forward to that.

[@rsr427]

I've only raced low power open wheelers, but the split between sim and real is so wide that its almost impossible to compare them (to me). Graphics are tremendously important in that if the visuals don't make you believe you are there, there is no simulating anything. In a real race car, there are so many other points of contact with the car in motion that you get so much more feeling than a steering wheel can convey. Sim devs have a harder job in trying to translate everything through the wheel. If, through FFB, I can drive the car faster because of what I feel in the wheel, then its good FFB. In an aside, when I race my own car, I would register it as "Sponsored" by PCars fake companies. So I would be racing for the Montgolfier Watches/Zipanol team... :)

[@SureGamer1]

Well simply because they release so many cars. They might not get the complete set of data and telemetry for all the cars. Which is why a game like iRacing might not have certain cars that you'd expect them to have or if it's in the works it takes a really really long time. I don't know what happens behind closed doors but with the volume of cars that some of these games push out all of them can't exactly be exactly the same to the irl version. I'm just speculating though.

[@Windchoir]

Thanks for the review, GamerMuscle! It's that rare occasion when you get everything you want to know in just one video. When I'm able to build a new PC and buy both AC and PC2 I'll not forget to raise a cup of tea for your health.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

+Windchoir don't drop the tea on the mobo !

[@williampowell9013]

At the end of the day, it passes its aim of a simulator, it looks good, it has great VR support and most importantly after watching the ice driving on GM live stream yesterday, it looks like a lot of fun!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Exactly I think a person would have to be really miserable to not be able to find anything fun about PC2.

[@octanejimmy]

iracing..... Racers version of cocaine... Its great, lots of rush at first, you need more and throw more money at it, feels better, more money, at the end you are not happy strung out and broke.... Thanks for the honest review I will give this a shot.

[@TMERUNNR]

Yeep, You're my Sim Racing Hero, I kmow, I know, I have low standards, but this channel "Tickles My Pickle"! lol... Nice review and fantastic Comedic choice of vocabulary! You earned a warm plate of Bangers and Mash. well done....

[@vRenegade.]

tl;dw, it's a big step forward since PC1. When dialed in right, it can be as good as other sims but will require a lot of tweaking in in order to get there. Great graphics and decent sounds. Great VR support, potentially great multiplayer (only P2P though). Great FFB and decent AI when tweaked to your needs. It will only get better with updates :) Great video as always James, we'll have to play some multiplayer soon :D

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

MILES better than PC1

[@viktorianas]

www.virtualr.net/take-peek-project-cars-2-dedicated-server-settings

[@vRenegade.]

I was just going on what was brushed on during the video. Maybe there will be dedicated servers on the PC, the article you linked is over 6 months old now, hopefully it's still a thing and not something that has been abandoned :/

[@Weapon-lt1nj]

They did such a nice job dividing all the cars into better groups. I wish they made some multiplayer hoppers where you could just jump in by car group. Instead If hopping into a lobby with a host that decided to get up and make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for 30 minutes.

[@michaelpegasiou4531]

I love this game and it’s a lot more fleshed out than any other racing game That I have tried,I think they have done a great job.

[@Heldermaior]

Recently came back to pcars2 because I was getting frustrated by the racing in A.C. and I must say that with the latest ffb tweaks (testing 2 atm) the game is really good. Highly recommend people pick it up. I got it with all DLC for 20 pounds which is really a lot of content and racing for the price.

[@andyantonioap]

I got it for free on Xbox one X thru xbox live gold and the handling is still too loose.

[@EnragedMollusk]

I love simcade. Someone should make a game called "Simcade".

[@eduardofreitas8336]

hahahahaha would be awesome. i can already see the videos? "Is Simcade a simcade?"

[@jounaas]

@@eduardofreitas8336 its forza

[@Karto86]

Seriously, this is really informative.

[@ronaldkasteel3459]

Karto86 best so far

[@RobSchlegel]

Here lies GamerMuscle. Bushes, grass, tire skid sounds.

[@Glimiril]

I pre-ordered yesterday, I don't normally pre-order but 17% off and as I have PC1 (disappointed overall with that), I was watching your vids and what sealed it was the ease of multiplayer set-up and the fun you both at times were having, but also the differences in what you liked. I considered myself in the equation and any sim I have some cars/tracks I have to work at then enjoy, some I enjoy straight away. There is enough quality in what I've seen, from you and others to buy in my opinion, I welcome a more authentic experience and hope manufacturers who's cars are being represented , demand better quality detail in any future software, not to be Elitist but say hey, motor sport is bloody good fun, don't need nitro packs, green tyre smoke etc, just good quality. Thank you GM I needed you being natural with the game , laughing and enjoying aspects (especially weather) to push me over the previous uneasy feeling SMS and PC1 left with me.

[@scarryharry1]

Thank you Gamermuscle. Very happy with this vid! and very honest!! Top review!!

[@RKOzza]

You and Jimmy Broadbent sound very alike! Gonna watch this now....

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

No he is a dirty southern boy, where as I am from the midlands and have lived up in the north near the wall and wild lings.

[@RKOzza]

Yeah, nothing to do with accents. I dunno. Vocal tones maybe? You remind of each other anyway. Think I may buy this now on Steam, £37 is a fair enough. Iam a little worried about you saying the fidelity aint really there and its hard to be really accurate but... I want that multi class Le mans24! :D

[@miy1925hassun]

GamerMuscleVideos DA KING IN THE NORF!

[@jacobnewsome9529]

GamerMuscleVideos pls no punterino

[@joribremer5260]

As Jimmy says if you want immersion PC2 is your thing

[@generalpopcorn6427]

As a casual gamer using a gamepad on PC, I am satisfied with Project Cars and glad that I purchased the full season pass. The game is a challenge, especially on a gamepad, but challenge is what makes it fun.

[@TheSkyline35]

24:30 -> This issue about IA is super common in racing sim. For instance on RF2, 2 days ago I was doing Flat6 Cup races (amazing mod to use *_*) against IA, qualified 5th with a good 1.5s faster, then skipped the last 10min remaining...woaaa surprised I'm now 20th !

[@Hugo-pj4bm]

TheSkyline35 what's IA?

[@TheSkyline35]

Hugo Oops sorry wrote it in French lol, IA is AI in English (Intelligence Artificielle -> Artificial Intelligence)

[@Hugo-pj4bm]

Oh ok, in german it's KI (künstliche Intelligenz) so it's not that hard to confuse for me :D

[@toddmcdonough]

I agree with you. Something to consider is the live track 3.0 feature. As the track rubbers in, it gets progressively faster. A good strategy is to time your best qualifying effort as close to the end of the session as possible.

[@jamarcus_OG]

Yeah , the best example for me is F1 2016-2017 : when i'm in the top ten and then , in the last 2 minutes of qualify , the AI does super impressive laps giving me tons of shit and making me look like a slug ahahaha!

[@andrewsmith8707]

You are a funny man Mr muscle. Brilliant review. Thank you. Right I'm off to the kitchen to put my head in my rusty microwave.

[@adrianstealth340]

thanks for the best review yet -straight to the point and the answers everyone wants, I hope slightly mad studio improves the simulator experience in the dry conditions as you mentioned, going to hold off buying awaiting the possible updates and user feedback etc

[@MrBreakthompson]

Awesome review, now i want to continue to make poor life choices ;-)

[@cypher9000]

To add to the VR points - I think RaceRoom does an amazing job too. PC2 image quality is far far better than PC1, which is good news.

[@TheEwanie]

Hey GM, I think you got something wrong there! Dedicated Servers absolutely exist in PCars 2, as they did in Pcars 1! Both dedicated and p2p servers are available with dedicated servers having a more fleshed out menu design, I assume you just didn't really have access to that yet.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Oh , bugger didn't know that thanks for telling me I'll make sure to mention it in future videos once I know more about it :)

[@TheEwanie]

There is already information about it, have a look here www.teamvvv.com/en/news/comments/Project-CARS-2s-dedicated-server-options-revealed . That all is assuming they didn't cut out that feature in the past 5 months but I highly doubt so as I saw the little dedicated server / private lobby indication marker in one of your multiplayer streams.

[@Simracingpaddock]

They didn't cut the feature, I found it in my testing

[@Daz555Daz]

Would be great to hear what ideas the devs or publishers have for future updates to get players to host more than a constant stream of GT3 races.

[@chimpyman92]

Pcars 2 does also have dedicated servers. Tool is on steam

[@nyranstanton203]

Race 07 is still my favourite racing game lol, everythign just feels right.,

[@traind]

Ok Gamermuscle, what tea are you drinking? You've gone and become the best racing sim reviewer. I have not played this yet so I am not sure if I agree or not about pcars 2 but the detail and nuance in your review is hard to argue with. Bravo!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

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[@turbulenttimes3749]

preloading and exited for it; after the forza 7 demo also in need for this since i had just horrible wheel controls on forza7. also to be mentioned i really liked project cars one for what it was; so pc2 for my racing seat with wheel and forza for controller and couch :) i like them both and as a racing game enthusiast this is a great september :) have a good time and greetings from the austrian alps!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

If you like PC1 this will blow your trousers off PC1 when it comes to the driving is maybe a 4/10 this is a 8/10

[@ippaihea]

Damn you Gamermuscle "mouth" , I wasn't going to get this !

[@George19712]

Great video. I definitely relate to your trying to find a consistent AI percent to race against in Project Cars 1. Still, the good out weighs the bad. I enjoy Project Cars very much.

[@infn8loopmusic]

I really agree with everything being said here. my experience with those cars that don't feel quite right have turned into opportunities to learn how to tune the cars properly. I wasn't really particularly good with tuning cars in sims prior to PC2 but it's forced me to practice tuning and I've found that adjusting the tuning is very meaningful to the cars in PC2 and a small adjustment can bring a considerable change of how the car feels and reacts, so maybe give that a shot for some of those cars if you haven't yet. Even if you just start with removing extra fuel can be a big difference. But being able to adjust the camber/toe angles ride height and suspension firmness make huge differences if you need the car to tighten or loosen up. Even the transmission tuning is quite easy to do in PC2 so I ended up getting used to it fairly quickly and can squeeze out more acceleration or top speed if needed.

[@vladimirtomin8223]

I hope they will do full scale rally dlc someday (like game within game). Will buy this one regardless, for rallycross and karts.

[@revdogma]

Solid, in-depth review. Thanks! (They are hard to come by these days imo)

[@Pedster9]

Fantastic honest, open, and positive review. Bought this on PS4 on day of release. Only played a few hours but really enjoying it. Wish there was a PSVR option for the console. Good vid glad I'm a subscriber 😃

[@Avean]

Project Cars have always nailed everything perfect but my question is simple: Is it fun? There really need to be a demo of this.

[@MadAlPlays]

Couple of points..MP, there is a dedicated server available if you want to use it (ideal for leagues, etc, PC only)... normally you would be going P2P if you just throw up a room to play in. FFB, with immersive and informative, they are adaptive, so should give a better balance across more cars (RAW is up to you to set levels, so may be more prone to having some cars feeling weaker than others) - there is also the option for a completely custom setup (and I'm sure the usual suspects will create options for those)

[@Turbodatsun]

I don't know if any one else is having this problem but when i started career mode the cars were undrivable, spinning out constantly. The reason was the tyres were set to (automatic by weather) which i thought would mean it would automatically use slicks when the track is dry and wets when it starts raining. That does not seem to be the case as it was running all terrain tyres in the dry, giving the car no grip, so now i manually select what tyres to use

[@aracon9721]

14:50 i still don't have any friends playing sim racers.... maybe I should start playing online....

[@dtmjax5612]

Project Cars 2 is excellent. So is Assetto Corsa. I think AC better represents the true feeling of the car on track but only slightly. PC2 offers much more options regarding cars, tracks, dynamic weather and time of day, etc. Both are great...if I could only have one I’d probably pick PC2, but if you asked me last week or maybe next, I might say AC. Anyway I realize a comparison between the two wasn’t the intention of your video, but it seems you can’t discuss one without the other. Good review, thanks for posting the video!

[@Chevette924]

Damn, crazy good save at 29:50 man!

[@adamrandell7946]

Nice review man, Same as you I was hoping there was more of a campaign as its the only thing that stopped me returning games like AC that and the odd physics on occasion. I downloaded the Forza 7 demo and in all honesty it surprised me, Its no AC or PC2 but still it surprised me. It took a bit of stuffing around with the wheel settings but once I had it sorted it was quite good, the Porsche handled well but traction control kind of feels like more of a crash saver for gamepad users. Turn TC off set it to sim and it's close to a sim experience, nothing ground breaking but a hell of a lot better than Forza 6.

[@adamrandell7946]

It did take me ages to sort out, If you add a custom wheel it has a whole lot of functions that aren't in the pre-set load outs. I did have to turn up the under/oversteer FFB pretty much all the way, I didn't have any problems with the self centring the only time it didn't was when the car wasn't moving which is normal of coarse. Its a bummer it's not working right for you, Its one of those games that has proper career progression which a lot of games at the moment seem to be missing or just "tacked" on, Try adding a custom wheel and have another go it's worth it if you can get it. PC2 is good I'm enjoying it so far, I can see how in the long run I'm going to have the same issue as AC but its fun while it lasts. I may even try getting into online racing, It's not usually my thing but I guess I should start somewhere and get my money's worth lol. Have a good day buddy.

[@Leynad778]

Read the review on PRC and this time i have to agree with Austin.

[@Aardvark892]

It's funny that you say the AI isn't as good as that which is found in Assetto Corsa. It wasn't until just recently that AC updated their AI; previously they had the worst AI of all the racing games that had AI. Now, AC has some of the best, I'll admit, but as long as they're better in PC2 than they were in PC1, I'll be happy.

[@miy1925hassun]

AC's AI is still really really really bad for me :P

[@Leynad778]

I love the AI in AC, but you have to find the sweet spot in strength and aggression. If you qualify last, they are too fast and the opposite.

[@aracon9721]

18:35 and i thought I'm the only one having those suicide moments... 😂

[@tima9790]

My thoughts from reddit tl;dr - different to AC (seems easier on the limit and wrt to corner exit), no real life experience, so not sure which is more accurate. online looks great/easy to set up. some graphical glitches. will not be refunding. Review score 8 AC's/10 on the official AC comparison rating system. background - mostly play AC, bought into EA PCARS1, never bought the game. So most of this is related to my experience in AC. Only driven Caterham 630R. Porsche 911 GT3 RS, and some mclaren GT3 thing I think in an online lobby. Tracks - donnington, spa and monza and a lap of Bathurst in the rain. Setup - Thrustmaster TX/T3PA Pro/Oculus Rift/GTX1070/3950K In no particular order (sorry) 1. FFB Feels great. I just turned most of it up to 75% on my TM TX. 2. Cars feel a bit too planted.. eg 2016 porsche 911 GT3 RS at Monza, line up ascari and put your foot down, and you're through. In AC you have to feather the throttle to avoid spinning out mid section. This is with TC off (all assists off). Now, having never driven a GT3 RS at Monza, I've no idea which is more accurate. eg2: some McLaren GT3 at bathurst in the rain, TC off, way too much traction coming out of corners. once again, same as above, never driven any form of race car at Bathurst in the rain, so not sure what is accurate. 3. Render distance is bad. 4. Shadows popping in and out. 5. Lots of render glitches, with screen flashing white maybe 1 or two times per lap. 6. Fantastic interface for VR - such a nice change from AC 7. Rain effects look great. Generally the whole game looks great from the limited time I've had in it. 8. Spa curbs feel flat. look flat. will have to check some real life video footage to see what they are like IRL. you can ride most of them with no consequence whatsoever. Especially through Eau Rouge Raidillon vs AC version. 9. Online is so easy to do. Just wish it had text chat, unless I missed it somewhere. 10. Arm animation still goes nuts at full lock.

[@robmuzz]

I don't play online, but I find many single player career/campaign/stories are, for me, just a hinderance to unlocking stuff. I'm looking forward to PC2 for the sandbox style of gameplay, where I can do anything from the outset.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yep the most fun is just making events and learning different cars tracks / playing with things :)

[@razorfett147]

Great review. As someone who has been enjoying FM7, but is disappointed with the limited custom race setup options for mp....this looks like it will fill the void nicely. FORZA for my car customizing and single player stuff, and PC2 for mp. Good stuff

[@wobblyrampack9655]

Cheers for the review! Very honest and good points. Seems a shame they didn't wait till Christmas for release to sort AI issues and few of the cars out. Guess no company does that anymore? Was different when we all played Revs and software arrived in a jiffy bag on a cassette!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

They need to get this out before Forza as even though its miles better when it comes to the driving forza will probably sell better due to it being better suited to arcade and casual driving.

[@csmith9684]

That qual bug is in pc1. I cant belive its still there in pc2. I found a fix if u fast fwd time to 60 sec remaining take the car out on track till time is 0. Then they dont super speed at the end.

[@theshoey7477]

If you still have your T300, could you do a video on your FFB settings and general impressions with a wheel for mere mortals?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I cannot right at the moment as its not easily to set up :( After Xmass I should have more space for filming and reviews so will have a few rigs setup alowing for me to test multiple things at the same time.

[@currololo]

Default Informative settings work fine for a T300 (my case), raw is also fine. No need to change anything, it simply feels great. Remember to wait until autocalibration is complete if you are using informative or inmersive for the first time (you should drive some time before FFB stabilizes). FFB is better than anything else.

[@willdriverc]

This is the sort of review I have been looking for. It sounds like PCars2 is a step up from it's predecessor improving on some of the complaints that had been received. I might pick this up now. I wasn't happy with PCars1 dye to all the FFB options. Took forever to get it to feel right. I also game on console and it had a game breaking bug. Good to know this might be worth getting. Racing in Knockhill. Shame console MP will be quite quiet.

[@MikeSmith-yy1lv]

Great review. The real question in my mind is whether they will continue to improve and update the game. Reiza and Kunos....no problem, i believe they have done a great job improving their sims. I'm not sure i have 100% confidence in SMS.

[@techtipsuk]

Never associate your videos with getting straight to the point. :-)

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

its all lies !

[@gabrielcheung4878]

Remember, AC is now selling at 6.5 dollars or so and PC is niw selling at 25 dollars or so (its new year sale now) so we are talking about 4 times the price

[@t-niemi5359]

I started to laugh out loud when you begin to review the first thing of the negativity sides :D Came up as a funny thing to think like AI thinks: "Oh... okay... you skipped qualify session? Right. Just a second, I drink 10liters of Monster energydrinks first... Now, here we go." :D Bots get pissed of... :)

[@oj7177]

For the difficulty on pc2, imo is pretty consistent. I've played with the difficulty set to 100 in the gt4 class and Renault rs01 and i always find them as fast as the previous race. I didn't experienced the skipping session bug (when they're super fast), and in my case it is the complete opposite. If i skip the session they won't be as fast as if i wait the end of it

[@MW_1535]

Thanks for the review and all your coverage on PC2! My biggest issue with AC is how much more of a pain it was to use in VR than Project Cars. With PC and PC2, VR just works and I never need to take off my Vive. It's been a long time since I've tried AC in VR, so I have no idea if that experience has improved or not. I'm somewhere in between casual and hardcore, so everything doesn't need to be perfect for me. That being said, I do prefer PC2 over the original; everything just feels better. I can't wait to jump back in after release.

[@dn3run]

Noooo way you said SIMCADE after your statement in the livestream :P :D

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I'm trolling as I'm Rolling.

[@dn3run]

Still very nice review, thanks for the work

[@DASamX5453]

People just need to stop trying to compare it to Gran Turismo or Forza..I see it as a totally different game...it's not the same and it doesn't want to be the same as the other 2...but it also provides me with another great racing game to kind of try and play for myself to see if I really do enjoy it as much as Gran Turismo. I don't care if it is a true sim or not or whatever. For me, I don't want a true SIM...I don't want to have to sit there and make adjustments all the time to Tire Pressure, Shock Height, Gear Ratios, blah blah blah just to be able to make a car drive...I want a racing game that I can jump into with out the hassles of driving classes or trials too cause, I already know how to race...I don't need stupid lessons before I can get into racing. Also, since GT Sport is mainly Online and they did away with the Offline Career Mode and Cash options, I'm going to need another racing game just like GT for me cause I want a in depth Career Mode and I don't race or play games Online cause of the Online Environments...and I don't have a XBox 360 or Xbox One (Although I am looking at getting a used one) for Forza right now...I'm up for trying a different game and I'm glad it's a bit of a look and feel of a GT game and I can probably replace it with this. For me, I have always played Gran Turismo games so this is a welcomed change cause of the way the Career Mode is set up and it's just a totally different game all together. I have it pre-ordered and will be getting it tomorrow and then make a opinion on whether I like it or not for ME cause that's what matters most...Is if I like it not by someone else saying this or that about it.

[@Toyota4Life]

DASamX5453 same story with me

[@Toyota4Life]

How do you like it

[@DASamX5453]

I traded Project Cars 2 back in...not cause I didn't like it but I was going to be playing Forza 5, 6, and 7 more after I received my XBox One S anyways as I was also not going to buy GT Sport and play that...but it had A LOT of bugs and glitches but visually with graphics it was and is stunning...better looking than Forza with rain effects and color...but still was lacking the GT feel that Forza gives me now. I couldn't drive on Ice/Snow (Whcih was one of my 1st challenges to get the Manufacturer Alliance for Audi I think) to save my life and hated the Rally part of the game so I knew I wasn't going to progress there anyways...At least in Forza I get to change my car colors, add and make decals...so it's a lot more fun and challenging...I'll pick up Project Cars 2 again later on like maybe next year when the price is down as I still have my save file on the PS4 :P I felt Project Cars 2 was more of a jump in and drive/create a race/simulation kind of game...I wasn't much into Create A Race stuff...but did want a in depth Career Mode and challenge so I went with something else...

[@AbideinChristFully]

Do people consider sims accurate the more the car slides of the track in turns? example: iracing I think real cars have more grip than that.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I don't think so

[@darrenporter1850]

I agree. F1 and the Super high end cars have so much torque they can spin easily at low speeds before aero kicks in. But the fast 'normal' cars the back ends won't slide out at low speeds like in PC2. Theres some corners I cannot get around even at 60mph, in certain cars. That is unrealistic. If this was true Trackdays would see hundreds of people crashing each year.. which does not happen.

[@CraigDirty]

You hit the nail on the head with this review. You know the stuff they did not get right is really frusterating., Because the game is so good you want those issues to be resolved even more. For me especially the rear end slipping out on the FFB. My WHeels just dont communicate overstear as clear as other driving sims. When you oversteer and start to lose the rear end the wheel tightness should just completely go limp or quickly ramp down. Thats how you know to countersteer quickly. This effect in PC2 is vague and like you said real bad with Racecars which irl would have the tightest steering.

[@rcmedia9516]

Driving vintage formula through California highway in vr is amazing.

[@Pezby69]

mature cheese and sausages.. im in :D

[@Jesper80yt]

If livetrack works a track Will improve just by cars driving on it. If Q is one hour 1 to 2 second better laps arent odd. Great video. Keep going.

[@antoniojunior5734]

Guys is the VR camera inside the cockpit "locked" to the cars? I mean if I lean foward to try to look up close the dashboard the car just moves together with my head, same thing to the sides. In AC if I stand up I can see my car from the outside and I can move my head freely inside the cars. Here I just can't find any setting to fix this please clarify.

[@riman8493]

Nice review, GM - I think it's quite fair. The AI has taken huge steps forward compared to PC1, and you can actually enjoy racing it, but it can be somewhat inadequate on the lower grip cars. I find it interesting that you find the low grip cars more convincing than the high performance race cars. I am looking forward to hearing which cars get the big old plus and which get the thumb down from you in your later video. I expect your gripe is with the prototypes, FA, that sort of stuff? I don't expect you have a bone to pick with the GT3/GTE class and anything below or at that level? As for sounds, I'm wondering which cars you feel sound "atrocious". I think it's a bit harsh to call anything atrocious in most circumstances, but yeah... would be nice to hear which specifically don't come across convincingly in the sound department as well. The skip-to-end bug is something that's inherent to the engine, which is derived from ISI. It's a bug that's been there for over a decade across a multitude of games. Not sure why they even give you the option to skip to end, when it is clearly broken. Imo they should just take that option away. What I have found you _can_ do to circumvent this problem, is to just speed up time progression as you're sat there, waiting for things to end. Scale it from Real time to something much more aggressive and the AI will actually still keep churning laps as it would, just on hyper speed, producing realistic and predictable results instead of the alien times that come with skipping. You mentioned misshifts in certain cars. Might these be older H-gated cars? These have different tolerances for how tight you must be with your shifting. If these are the ones bothering you, try holding down the clutch pedal a bit longer while you shift, and if shifting down, make sure to rev-match properly. As for car revs not matching expectations on down shifts, please let me know which ones bother you and I can try and check up on it with the devs on WMD =)

[@lukeouellette9465]

I had a race in the clio cup cars in single player where the weather went from sunny to rain to snow and was great driving in the snow felt really good very slippery and little grip

[@JonJon-dk3nh]

Steering wheel feel is what lets Project Cars 2 down. Well that, and the odd gobby chav over the mic..One sounded like a pissed off Mick Dundee!

[@allantotti]

I am still running an i7 2600k OC to 4.7 Ghz with a GTX 1080. Super Sampling at 1.7 and it runs beautifully. Looking at upgrading to an i7 8700 to get that little extra juice but still not sure if it is worth it... If anyone wants a budget system without compromising on the GPU, Sandy Bridge still packs a huge punch. 6+ years old CPU! ...if you can find one.

[@exegodmode8038]

Yes Rfactor I racing etc. are more accurate sims but having in mind the difference between PC 1 and PC 2 and how much improvement there is I think (and hope) with the next issue SMS will take things to a whole new level and perfectly polish the game. I know most people say there won`t be a 3rd game but if enough people play the game and the online championships get more popular and serious they will deffinetly make a 3rd one where the physics will be spot on. They already have prooved themselves with making the best tire model out there and Im not just repeating what everyone is saying I just think its so well done that everyone can feel it when driving especially when you have experience with sims and you can compare it to other games. Also if another game comes out I feel really excited to see how it would look. I never judged a game based on its graphics ESPECIALLY sims but at the same time I always thoroughly enjoy and appreciate when the visuals are good. Not only its an eye candy and is a great pleasure to play a game with good graphics but I also think it can greatly increase immersion when it comes down to sims which for me - and most sim racing fans is of top priority. Sorry for the rambling but I just felt like giving my opinion on the matter.

[@Seyding]

Hey! Can someone explain me the difference between the standard GT3 car and the 24h endurance versions(also GT3)? Is it just the livery?

[@ajitkundu8033]

Olly S The endurance cars has softer suspensions and larger fuel tank

[@Seyding]

ajit kundu Thanks a lot m8! I really appreciate this.

[@oh_danielsan9025]

+ yellow lights

[@cacarey01]

Question about VR: in PC1 if you turn around to look at the back seat or rear wheels there was usually an untextured mess. The wheels weren't even round etc. Do things look better when peeking behind the normal field of view in PC2? Also do the mirrors work properly in VR now or are they still a static picture in picture?

[@eclap78]

Great review mate, thanks for this! Subscribed. Watched you and Jimmy messing around in PC2 last night, was fun to watch :) Quick question, which wheel do you use?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

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[@tradesman1000]

My honest opinion now iv had a whole day to muck and tweak is. yes this title has everything but decent FFB! i just hope that future patches will address this small but essential detail. i have managed to get a half decent set up. but you have no real feeling for what the tires are doing when under breaking or cornering. hope they can find a solution to this. it will change the whole experience . Fanatec CSW v2

[@Dante-nm2sc]

On Ps4, Physics feel good so far . There is a terrible white fuzz on opening video like the screen got glaucoma. Pixels flashing on buildings, signs, trees and shadows on the ground . They need fixing badly . Hopefully this long update fixes it .

[@pyxelpub8251]

Yo, Muscle! You best review GT Sport, otherwise you've wasted a massive opportunity. Feel free to ignore Forza 7. Tried the demo yesterday, can't see myself playing it on PC, felt really off. Here's hoping the final product proves me wrong.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I dont have a PS4 ! I quite enjoyed the lorry and rain driving in Forza 7 , mind you I played it with a gamepad :)

[@pyxelpub8251]

GamerMuscleVideos oh with a gamepad Forza is amazing, but something about FMS specifically felt off, although I didn't see the same editing options as the XB1, so maybe that'll change in the final product. Again, hope the game proves me dead wrong. The biggest problem to me with Forza this year can be best summed up in their repeated interviews of how you can even play it with the guitar hero guitar, as it shows they're aggressive pursuit of the casual gamer. Other deva just made their games and said "if you like it, buy it!" I don't have a PS4 either, but GTS is the system seller, and you lucky bastards have a GTS PS4 edition coming out in Europe 😡 Edit: almost forgot, how do you add the wheel and brake app in the bottom left corner in PC2?

[@daviddanser8011]

Is the ai in career mode just random names again? Or do we have rivals in pc2 which go up classes with you etc? Or is it random names again with random results every new race? This kind of kills the purpose of career mode in my opinion

[@dman1848]

I went from Forza 7 to this as the cars just didn't feel or handle right on the road. Especially when cornering. Forza 7 is definitely simcade. PC2 is a big improvement imo over it.

[@kevinfoo8031]

same here

[@dman1848]

Not that Forza 7 is a bad game or simcades are bad. As everyone has their preferences. It's quiet a good game amd kts easy to pick up and play but if you want more realism and immersion then PC2 has you covered.

[@kevinfoo8031]

@@dman1848 thats how it felt too, no immersion with F7. What really got me was the early race against Ken Block in the Ford Focus rally car, there is a left turn that I kept hitting the wall, even with full assists bec I'm novice but c'mon. Also the micro transactions, really? I sold that game for PC2, I am happy now even if I crash into or spin out, its more real

[@agenthoini]

I never saw that amount of smoke coming from the tires of a gt3 car going around portimao :D

[@Recon777x]

With the new 1.3 patch that just came out, a whole lot of cars have had performance tweaks. I'd be curious if they would be reviewed as more accurate or better representations of these cars now than they were during this review.

Great review GM, thank you!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Most welcome

[@Friend_Called_Five]

You mention you did a video on VR settings in PCars2, which one is that, maybe I am being dumb but I can't see it.

[@gardevoirtrainer4526]

All I care about is playing with all 180 cars on any of the 60 tracks in a time trial so I can take my time and have a nice drive. Project Cars 2 seems to scratch that itch. It'll be my next PS4 pick up.

[@mrs1986]

I have mixed feelings with this game... I have a 1080 and it doesn't look good, and always is on AWS 45fps on the Rift... Don't know what settings to touch to fix it.. On the handling, I found really interesting the handling on the rain, but the dry handling didn't get to me yet, maybe I need some more tweaking... Good video! Love your channel!

[@legitcrack6438]

mrs1986 I have a feeling that all that vr optimised slogans are not based in reality from what I read on the forums. People with 1080s cant hit 90fps without enabling reprojection in some form. Cancelled my order for time being. Will wait for a demo to try out vr performance cause I havent seen any benchmark with fps on screen done in vr yet, which is really sttange.

[@mrs1986]

Marcin Kaczmarczyk The fps dont show on the rift, they show on the mirror in the normal monitor, who knows why??

[@JosepGGevga]

you could tell me or pass me, as you have configured the graphic options

[@dathyr1]

Well it is 2024. I have had Project Cars 2 for quite a while now and still like what the game provides - allot of variety of cars and tracks. I have the other racing games you mention and also like those. Each game has something different for me. Seems like the newer games are getting to selective on what we can race on the game. Myself, I am getting tired of all the GT only games. Anyway, thanks for the video. Take care.

[@rich1701]

I hate that the ai doesn’t aquaplane in puddles and you do. 😏 the graphics are really odd, sometimes they look absolutely stunning and other times it looks like f1 challenge particularly on replays. But then I must be deficient in some way. Lol

[@xandermcn500]

Fantastic vid mate .

[@Ron5ter]

Remember the wheel setting problems in Project CARS 1? Well... I have the game and the Thrustmaster TX and the wheel setting isues are still there, can't believe it why they can't make this right, how hard can it be?

[@Kavoriken]

What about the modability of the game? It does launch with a fantastic amount of content, no doubt. But the massive amount of fun i've gotten out of mods for other games has made it a big selling point for me. Project Cars 1 only had a handful of car mods because modding for it was a huge pain.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

No mods , thats what AC is for !

[@BigFarm_ah365]

Glad to hear it's good, I'll be picking this up to use with my Oculus.

[@Moonshine1147]

Would've been amazing if SMS got the chance to put the official F1 2018 and onwards seasons into their base PCars2 game as dlcs, SMS got a solid foundation and things work out much much better than on Codemasters behalf, also i guess many people would simply switch over to PCars2 if that actually happened as it's he far superiro racing game in almost all aspects compared to Codies F1 iterations. Sadly it seems as Codemasters renewed their "exclusive" F1 licence once again according to Ian Bell in his recent livestream, such a shame as some healthy competition is surely needed to bring F1 back to glory in the gaming industry....

[@ricocorrinaisaac2334]

I love project cars1.and I'm loveing project cars2.and I'm likeing your video to keep up your good work

[@Ariffirmansmart008]

Hello. I am in need of immediate help. I have a shifting problem where even the start of the race I cannot shift to gear 1. Im using a logitech f310. The gameplay is great but this manual problem is what annoys me and makes the game unplayable. Can anyone please help? There is no buttons stacked with the gear up button.

[@SPIRA-ART]

had the same qualifying bug at project cars 1...noticed that by changing the real time factor instead of skipping to end of session, bypassed this problem. Maybe this will work here too.

[@romantolstykh7488]

Great video but I gotta say I think the single player in PC2 is the most immersive I have ever played and I thought it was much better than forza which feels like a set of unconnected races. Championships and race weekends with progression is fantastic in PC2

[@antispeed]

I'd love to see a story mode like they did with FIFA 17. All the ingredients are there, except maybe the development budget. Also, is that smoke pouring off the tires in high-speed corners? ಠ_ಠ

[@_pjd]

Totally agree with your point on AI. Absolutely frustrating.

[@mesfigas]

Hi GM. i always need to watch your video 1st before start playing pc2 because i cannot convince myself that this game is a simulator :)

[@WR3ND]

Love the race setup features and possibilities here a lot. Sounds like this with more of the physics/handling/responsiveness of Assetto Corsa would be perfect for me. Any tips for getting the most out of Project Cars 2 in that regard?

[@cool4real82]

A great fair review. I'll take Pcars 2 with a side of tea!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

a side of tea ? YOU WILL TAKE IT WITH A PINT OF TEA

[@cool4real82]

LOL!