Project Chariot: Building a Harbor With Nuclear Bombs

Got a big hole you need to dig? Have you considered the nuclear shortcut?
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[@ronmani9476]

back in the good old days when we had a vision for the future and didnt let things like the environment, animals, people or even common sense get in the way.

[@andycollins3978]

Ironic really, as Teller was actually a nuclear physicist, and had worked on the Manhatten project, so he knew EXACTLY what the effects would be

[@anonymousalsoanonymous9474]

“They” always know exactly what they do, every single time 🇮🇱

[@acepilot1]

his eyebrows though

[@garretth8224]

@@anonymousalsoanonymous9474 You are one of those people.

[@todddiesen2647]

@keith moore teller was set laughably low... He might have known what would happen if you dredge a harbour using nukes, but like his eyebrows, he was popping a whole total 1/2” of diamondlike tumescence at the chance to be better known than Oppenheimer.

[@eyallorberboim8222]

I would like to see a side project about Pruitt Igoe. Also, The "new" Tel Aviv central bus station would make an excellent side project chapter, but it will be a mega project to collect enough information in English about its history and what makes it such an urban disaster.

[@Direkin]

The first time I had ever head of Pruit Igoe was from that piece from Philip Glass, but I'm curious as to how much of an urban disaster a bus station could possibly be.

[@glenchapman3899]

When I was a kid (1960s) I went to an Atomic energy display in Australia. One of the presentations was a diorama explaining what a great idea it was to use a nuclear bomb to build harbors

[@rogueviking9268]

I wonder how many of the people responsible are acid burnouts today? 🤣 It was the 60s after all...

[@SunriseLAW]

Same timeframe. Tarzana, CA where everyone's dad worked at a defense contractor such as Rocketdyne. Mine worked at RAND Corp. in Santa Monica CA. More than one child would release bowel or bladder under their desk at school during 'duck and cover' drills. The janitor had to come and clean it up and the child went to the office to wait for their mom. We had a stocked custom-built underground bomb shelter at our house. The fear was non-stop and I remember asking my father (who is 95 and the youngest still-surviving American POW of WW-2) if there would be any warning that 'the bomb' would drop. He explained that Russians would blow up the sewers in the LA area including Tarzana (!) and NY, we would do the same in Moscow and some other city. If the diplomats couldn't solve it in 30 days.... nuclear war would happen. From then on, I made sure to FLUSH. I MADE SURE IT WENT DOWN. I CLOSED THE LID JUST IN CASE. I was raising my own children in the early 1990's when I read about American frogmen found in the Moscow sewer system. I also realized at that moment my mom probably told my dad to do something about not flushing..... :)

[@LSSYLondon]

@@SunriseLAW lmao!

[@HeroesDie12]

It's been fun watching Simon (real BB Simon) begin to invade the rest of the channels. Side Projects always feels like the mid-ground between BB and things like Bio/Geo-graphics.

[@johntheux9238]

I have a "nuke mars" t-shirt so this video really speaks to me.

[@fearoffema]

Well Mars ain't gonna nuke itself

[@QBCPerdition]

Do you have it ironically, or do you truly think nuking Mars would be a good idea?

[@johntheux9238]

@@QBCPerdition If you boil ice it would condense immediately afterward so it's pretty useless. The only way to boil water permanently would be to use super greenhouse gases like sulfur hexafluoride to heat the planet.

[@johntheux9238]

@@QBCPerdition But it's still an awesome t-shirt that means "instead of talking about it, just do it"

[@BonShula]

it would probably require us setting off about 3,000 nukes over Mars a day, for about 7 weeks. Long before we’d be finished, we’d run out of nukes. But what you could do is build a range of massive space mirrors with a diameter about the distance between Washington DC and Philadelphia. Reflect the sun’s rays onto Mars to vaporize CO2 trapped on the planet in order to trigger a greenhouse effect. Or genetically engineered microbes could be a way to produce a breathable atmosphere on Mars via the microbes’ photosynthesis. We may also try a frontal industrial revolution-style attack. It would involve setting up factories on the planet with the sole purpose of producing gases such as methane, CO2, and CFCs, alongside water vapor, and releasing them into the atmosphere.

[@redram5150]

Lewis Lichtenstein Strauss is proof that Dick Cheney is an undead vampire who assumes a new identity every few decades

[@brucermarino]

You classify excavating with nuclear devices as a "SIDE PROJECT"? On the other hand, they were sub-MEGAton devices :) Thanks again, Simon and Team!

[@elihobson7956]

That's exactly my first thought. "THAT'S a side project?"

[@nibblitman]

I mean it never happens and was basically about how silly an idea it was to even think about doing so I assume that is why it’s here rather than Mega

[@brucermarino]

@@nibblitmanThanks Michael. I was just shamelessly taking advantage of the video to make a joke :)

[@nibblitman]

@@brucermarino This channel is for the very serious business of side projects not jokes. Those are only for the glorious main channel also known as BusinessBlaze

[@brucermarino]

@@nibblitman LOL!

[@peteregan3862]

You could do a side project on nuclear mining. I note a an Australian Iron One miner (Rio Tinto or BHP) lost a device that used radiation to measure material flow I think. It ended up in an iron ore cargo, or was suspected of ending up in a cargo caused a real problem with the customer for potentially contaminating a batch of steel. Like the many atolls in French Polynesia which are pock-marked with mini nuclear explosions from tests, customers are not going near anything that might have more than background radiation. That includes coal power station slag heaps where the background radiation in coal ended up concentrated in ash. As the world goes renewable, we will realise that fossil fuels, particularly coal were also a radiation problem. At some point in the future we will also have to dig up our garage dumps to recycle materials and separate the radioactive materials for long term storage.

[@Tavic1]

I love your videos, please make a video about ITER, probably on Mega Projects :D

[@manofharlech5775]

Using multiple nukes to create a harbour... Can it get any sillier??? What about doing that near the Russian border???

[@youtoob4life]

I wouldn't be surprised if the proximity to the Russian border was actually something they wanted behind the scenes. I would bet that the military had some sort of interest in having a port right next to Russia that they can use. Of course it would secret and classified, but a "coal export" idea makes a decent cover.

[@cattibingo]

"Hey russia, we'll build you a harbor for free. But it will be built using nukes. And sometimes they might miss, woops silly us"

[@888johnmac]

yeah , i noticed that ' we're going to let of a few Nukes right where Russia can see / feel / detect them ' .. some cold war flexing right there

[@manofharlech5775]

@@youtoob4life I would be surprised if there was no secret military base of any kind. It's near Russian borders after all... :) However, using megaton nukes some 200 km from the border of a nuclear superpower, which I'm at (cold) war with, well, I wouldn't call that the brightest idea...

[@HailAnts]

You guys do know that Russia actually carried out a similar plan, right? They made a lake with nukes..

[@LostAncients]

Simon, I have learned more about my country from you as an objective outsider, than I have from our own history books (all the way through collegiate studies) it seems. Your information is verifiable, and the presentation is always great! Keep it up on all your channels and projects, it is greatly appreciated!

[@dtaylor10chuckufarle]

I couldn't agree more.

[@ignitionfrn2223]

1:00 - Chapter 1 - The "friendly" atom 3:30 - Chapter 2 - The edge of a continent 7:40 - Chapter 3 - The birth of the environment

[@semaj_5022]

It's fantastic when a shirt and dengerous idea not only never comes to fruition, but actually spawns good, helpful ideas in reaction to them.

[@derrickmabbott9095]

Simon, you may be interested to look at the Soviet stance on this same subject. My understanding is that the Soviets really did use nuclear devices to dig big holes: open cast mines etc.

[@AH-sr5px]

They used one to put out an oil well fire too

[@nerobernardino88]

@@AH-sr5px Oh no, oil is burning >Nuke it Wtf Soviets?

[@grapeshot]

Yeah basically the very definition of making a mountain out of a molehill.

[@AH-sr5px]

More like make a molehill out of a mountain

[@stefanschleps8758]

Eastside in the house. (B-more keep stacking.)

[@jayyydizzzle]

Suggestion for a video, The early history of penicillin. Like how half the world's supply was used on treating one patient and the industrialization so it could be used in world war II

[@cattibingo]

2:08 Grumpy winston churchill really brightens ones' day

[@shebbs1]

I wonder what this bloke did to incur the ire of Winston.

[@dtaylor10chuckufarle]

When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. Now... when you have a nuclear bomb - Hey, let's make a harbor!

[@Chris_at_Home]

Like that topic. I thought I read somewhere that they released a small amount of radioactive material to see where the wind carried it. There is a big mine up on that coast now called Red Dog. They mine lead and zinc there and truck it to a site just south of Kevilna. They have a huge warehouse at the port site (which was and still maybe the biggest building in Alaska). They store the mined ore there until the ice melts enough to allow barging the ore to a ship in deeper water.

[@jamesjustus6568]

There are two ore concentrate storage buildings at the port site, each with a 10 acre footprint. One for lead, the other zinc. I spent several years lightening ore by barge to ships during the summer season, including two as port captain. On a side note, the company I worked for hauled out by barge the containerized hazardous and radioactive waste from the site that the radioactive material was released from when it was finally cleaned up in the early 2000's. Come to think of it, the Red Dog Mine operation would make a good mega project subject.

[@Chris_at_Home]

@@jamesjustus6568 The last time I was there was in the early 90s doing work on the microwave communications.

[@Skott62]

I remember hearing in the 1950s some politician asked if they (USAF) could use atomic bombs to disrupt/break up Hurricanes in the Atlantic that were approaching U.S. shores. Luckily for us the USAF said no it was a bad idea. Radiation fallout as it is it would have been a very bad idea indeed.

[@mattsiede443]

This was a really good ones I have an! Thank you very much for doing all the research and development to share this video with us!! We all love you!

[@ShifteroftheWasteland]

By the way if you ever want to hear more about Project Chariot from a first peoples’ perspective, in 2012 a documentary by Norwegian/Iñupiat/Sami filmmaker Rachel Naninaaq Edwardson was released, and the whole thing is still on Vimeo.

[@viridiscoyote7038]

One of my favorite experiments from that era was the discovery of a new, distinct layer of the atmosphere. The first thing to study was what happens when you nuke it!

[@viridiscoyote7038]

It might have been Starfish Prime? I can't recall.

[@ElicBehexan]

I thought of a topic. The LCRA (Lower Colorado River Authority) has built dams on the lower Colorado River for both power generation and flood control. Here I am talking about the Texas Colorado River, not that big guy in the west. Still, before the dams were built the river killed lots of people. LBJ spearheaded some of the dams to bring power to parts of the Texas Hill Country that he grew up in. I thigk it would make a good side project - maybe even a mega one.

[@LaurieAnnCurry]

This is the first episode of any of fact boi’s channels that made me look at the date to be sure it was for real and not an April Fools prank. I simply could not wrap my head around project chariot being a project the US actually considered let alone Teller being for it. Unfreakingbelievable.

[@katajha831]

Your sarcasm makes my world go round.

[@jackdub7740]

hey this was my suggestion! thanks for all the content Mr. Whistler

[@TestingPyros]

How about a megaproject (or at least side project) on the creation of the LeMans racetrack. For the side project, you could cover the Nurburgring, Spa, Monza, and other famous old tracks. The one with 90% banking would be interesting! (Spain, I believe)

[@vexedemperor5588]

Hot dogs aren’t sandwiches they are pizzas

[@archstanton6102]

Especially if part of the crust

[@Sponge1310]

But what if hotdogs are taco’s?

[@millerboy1212]

No, they’re tacos.

[@vexedemperor5588]

@@archstanton6102 yes

[@vexedemperor5588]

@@millerboy1212 no you

[@reggiep75]

02:09 - Was that a cheeky little roar or did someone say 'Bengal Famine'? 😉

[@terekrutherford8879]

What a way to say 'caribou' 5:22 😂

[@wrightmf]

Scott Manley has a video "The 10 craziest things to do with a nuclear bomb" which one of those things was using bombs for civil engineering projects. He says if your only tool is a hammer...

[@75VWhippy]

Please do a video about the Hoosac Tunnel in western Massachusetts!

[@michaelhowell2326]

Can you do a video on one of your channels about where or what things get blown to? Tinbuktu, Smithereens, Kingdom Come, and more.

[@SocialAnarchist]

"You can't just nuke a hole into the coast of alaska".........or whatever that robot in doom said

[@brianjaber3171]

Brother, I absolutely loved this story. Good work bringing key relative points to the forefront before telling the meat of the story. U have a great talent for doing so and hence…I find myself subscribing to all ur work (channels). I Love all of them and I even make my grandchildren watch as well because ur stuff has no age limit They range from one boy 22months two girls at seven and one boy at 12 and the last and I hope not the least 21yrs (second year at UH. He has no choice since his PhD having Aunty, the3 one that works at the university as a Senior Program Director gets his school free and she gave him a job on campus so he could pay for books. He’s got it made. But it’s the end of the world if u listen to him. Ha! Ha! Although I am trying tool get them (Him) would be fine n Well my friend and a big Thank You for all your hard work on your stories. - Thank You Anyway my friend please keep up all the good work because I really do love it!!!q

[@casinodelonge]

I've had a look at the place on Google Earth, to describe it as "remote" would be a dis-service.

[@redram5150]

When excavating for my in-ground pool, I used bricks of C-4. So the proof of concept is there. They’ll just need to prepare for the possibility it may be a bit deeper than initially planned. If I swim to the bottom of my pool, I’m pretty sure I can hear Mandarin

[@lDemonAngel]

Blowing things up, nukes or not has to always be a good idea.

[@KoalaMeatPie]

0:16 That was a great transition, bravo editor.

[@TheBananaDealer]

"It all began with nuclear bombs in Alaska..." interesting... I've heard that phrase before...

[@garrettallen7427]

When Anchorage gets occupied by Red China 🇨🇳...

[@johnwattdotca]

Considering Simon said the public was turning against nuclear tests for the military, I'm surprised he didn't suggest this harbor was being built for a military presence against the Russians in Alaska. He definitely shot down the idea that it was feasible for the local economy.

[@mattyc418]

Video idea Simon, dredging Portsmouth Harbour UK and maybe the restoration of the Mary Rose, quite possibly a megaprojects video

[@Soul_Blazer]

Hi Simon, I was wondering if you could do a side project on "Chicago pile-1" since there isn't much talk about it. Given that it was the 1st ever self-sustained nuclear reaction power plant. Cheers~

[@punchfukker3383]

Concrete Battleship Fort Drum would be a great sideprojects video

[@wadezimmerman6083]

They could put Alfred E Neuman to shame! You know… "What, me worry?"

[@murderofcrows7475]

5:32 Guy with enormous eyebrows: "Yeah there's no adverse side effects."

[@grantchang81976]

explosives are use to bore tunnels through geology and to create beautiful works of rock art of course a harbor can be created with a critical amount of precision it can be done critically

[@matttomlinson3899]

Hey Simon, thanks for the great content from all of your channels. One topic for side projects to maybe look at is the work from engineer C Y O’Connor in Western Australia. He had two major projects in which one ended in his suicide. Very sad but worth a look.

[@BM-oi1yl]

Hey Simon, how about a video on the Osaka Mozu kofun (gigantic tombs)?

[@MisterAndrewBuckley]

What a great idea

[@TheEvilCommenter]

Good video 👍

[@tomorrow4eva]

He just really, really wanted to blow something up. Good work on behalf of the native peoples and economists and those who ended up doing the first environmental impact statement. You saved Project Chariot from being in a list of stupid ideas someone should have stopped.

[@jesuschristsuperczar1224]

Who the hell ever asked if a hotdog was a sandwich? Must’ve been a lymie! 😉

[@wolfcat1998]

It's a German taco.

[@leedavis9529]

Have you done cable and wireless porthcurno Cornwall?

[@pakde8002]

This is the first time I heard about this insane plan. Please find more.

[@christopherhouse1028]

Part of me still want something like this to happen. Also I would like a nice view like the downwinders in Vegas!

[@codyj1162]

I'd like to know more about Zug Island/Windsor Hum.

[@JessWLStuart]

I'm trying to think of a good explosion pun, but my pills haven't kicked in yet...

[@amicloud_yt]

shit dude thank you for the reminder fml

[@brandonalmeida5493]

Topic idea: mississippi river revetment, u.s. army corps of engineers been doing it since preww2. I work for usace memphis district which is home to all but one of the units thats does the work

[@todddiesen2647]

From experience, the Corps members working in the office overseeing the Red River from the border at Pembina upstream to Wahpeton/Breckinridge were worthless AF during the ‘79 flood. They may have gotten those people transferred elsewhere by ‘97 when GF was on national news for something other than UND hockey, but...

[@brandonalmeida5493]

@@todddiesen2647 all of the "engineers" in the usace are worthless. Pretty much they are engineers who cannot get nor hold a job in private sector. When I started with usace I was sent to new Orleans (2014) to help with the reconstruction of levees. We were reapplying the top soil to a levee in east new Orleans after it was already done cause the soil had too much salt to grow anything to prevent erosion. The engineer who order the first batch of soil was there and we ask what he was thinking using soil from an area that got flooded by Katrina. He said he doesn't understand how salt got there. I then began explaining evaporation...

[@todddiesen2647]

@@brandonalmeida5493 dude, I understand what you’re saying. In ‘79, my dad was a county highway engineer on the MN side of the red when it had basically tried retaking the bed of Lake Gassiz. The corps showed up to take county engineers from the area to inspect the damage. The red was about 23 miles wide at Grand Forks/East GF because once it got loose from the banks, (48’ 10” or about 40’ above its normal path). The corps felt it necessary to follow the epileptic snake path along the tree line on the banks, and dam near ran out of gas because it may only be 75 miles as the crow flies from the junction of the red lake lake river and the red to the Canadian line, but insisting on following the tree line gave an engineer who’d worked on major projects for 20 years at that point that the corps was hiring guys who were still EITs and would exhaust the number of PE tests allowed before they were told to !”give it up and go home”.

[@carterbowman7762]

If this is a side project I can't wait for the mega project

[@anthonyC214]

To be fair, Russia had a few plans to use nukes for "peaceful " use that they also abandoned.

[@Bacopa68]

Quite a few more. All tests were calibration tests in addition to their supposed civilian purposes. The last Plowshares tests in the US were the Rulison and Gasbuggy shots in the early seventies.

[@carrioncrow8191]

I don’t know if this would be a mega project or side project, but what about the smithsonian mueseums

[@bartfoster1311]

That would be a megaproject I would think.

[@checodogface]

i want to Know did he ever get his little table for his coffee lol

[@robfenwitch7403]

He's awaiting the environmental impact study.

[@checodogface]

@@robfenwitch7403 when will that be finished 😂😂😂

[@billsimpson604]

A vast amount of natural gas still sits under northern Alaska, along with an enormous amount of coal. Alaskan coal is so abundant that it washes down the rivers to the ocean, as the land along the rivers gradually erodes, exposing thick seams of coal. Had coal not been so abundant in the American West, Alaskan coal might have become a big business. Google NAWAPA if you want to see a really big water and power scheme. The GRAND canal project in Canada was another one.

[@daverose2958]

This is as good an idea as nuking a hurricane

[@tncorgi92]

Hey Alaska, congrats on statehood. Now let us bring in some nukes.

[@cattibingo]

Welcome to the union. Nukes will be here next week.

[@juliusceasar8987]

Edward Teller would be worthy of a Biographics. On one hand he is something of a Dr Strangelove character, on the other hand he was a child in Hungary when Bela Kun's Bolsheviks sized power. He know what he was dealing with.

[@davidagosta]

Topic suggestion: Thorium based reactors

[@ryancomfy]

Could not resist viewing immediately after seeing the title

[@fal9538]

How about the great Ocean road Australia as a project

[@shebbs1]

One of China's favourite roads. I mean it is full of Chinese tourists, not that they built it.

[@Notthecobracommander]

It's frightening how many of these mistakes we can see today like people not wanting to hear the other side of an issue and also disregarding questions as pesky and annoying rather than essential.

[@metgath]

I'd like to see a video on the spaceships that were proposed that would be powered by atomic bombs.

[@niceguyeddy9229]

That darn common sense, some people got it

[@paulybassman7311]

Side Projects.... with Nuclear Weapons 😂😂😂

[@karliebellatrixyoung6359]

Do you know that this video (and many of your videos in general, especially recently) are mixed significantly quieter than the ads and other videos? It's probably about 5 or 6 db difference, and your music is also kind of loud relative to your voiceover.

[@iteerrex8166]

We have a new generation of wonder child scientists, genius entrepreneurs and prodigy politicians now, who are even "more better" ;-)

[@Riki-io4yd]

I recently saw an interview in which a geneticist was waxing enthusiastic about the good old days, a decade or two back, before regulations slowed GMO research down. I'm not opposed to GMOs, in the same way I'm not opposed to brain surgery, piloting aircraft, or driving cars. However, regulations are wise in these activities. Science and engineering allow us to do great things. Regulations keep us from using technology in ways that aren't awesome - nuking out bays in native land, home brain surgery, driving through town at 200 mph, or making new species to replace ... us.

[@iteerrex8166]

I'm not sure what your point is in relation to my comment.

[@cattibingo]

8:46 Barry Commoner is tired of your shit

[@gemman1]

Atomic bombs the ultimate fracking tool...

[@mabdinur85]

That era was so weird ... everything was going to be solved by splitting the atom.

[@codysrigley5225]

Operation Copper Pot. Extracting the oil from the oilsands with nukes in Alberta, Canada.

[@hughie522]

One for Geograpics: Lake Chagan in Kazakhstan

[@lonniejackson1366]

How have you not covered Meadowcroft in Pennsylvania!!!!!?????

[@algernoncalydon3430]

Have on of the pictures of what the local natives thought it would do to the area. It shows whales, walrus' and other wildlife, and local native humans laying around dead on the shore. This was just another close call. The Feds had zero consideration for the natives. They saw the natives a non-entities who were just there. One of the reasons we don't want an overly powerful government. As a side note, take another government debacle. At Anan in Southeast Alaska which had the largest pink salmon in the world. The salmon run was and is once again, incredible in the sheer numbers of fish. These salmon have to run up a very rough creek up the mountainside and into a large lake named, Anan Lake. The biologist came up with a great idea, since they new better than nature. They built a big fish ladder to help the salmon. The did not reason, duh, why the salmon were so big. They were so big because only the biggest and most powerful were strong enough to make it up to the lake. Once the fish ladder was constructed the next summer the salmon went up, almost all of them. Then all died from lack of oxygen becasue there were too many fish in the lake, and the largest pink salmon run in the world was wiped out. There are salmon there now, but they are not the same giant sized pink salmon that were wiped out by the "scientists."

[@marlbankian]

Russians were contemplating creating canals with this method.

[@fy1727]

The Bakker-schut plan for Dutch expansion after WW2!

[@Aztesticals]

Ya know if it wasn't for the radiation half these ideas had something to stand on

[@magnificus8581]

Well at least he is thinking outside the box!

[@steveyorgason4199]

Side project idea: Great Salt Lake Pumps

[@nuggdimmadome2192]

Im from alaska. They actually taught us this in hs.

[@cattibingo]

Nugg dimmadome? Owner of the dimmsdale dimmadome?

[@amicloud_yt]

@@cattibingo "More nukes, more harbors! And more harbors, more money!"

[@nuggdimmadome2192]

The very same. I created the space for my fabled dome using nukes and the only way to remove it will be nukes as well. The circle of life.

[@amicloud_yt]

@@nuggdimmadome2192 thank you for your dimma-service mr dimmadome

[@JamesEzell]

how we have not gone extinct by our stupidity by now is mind boggling

[@coweatsman]

Is the town of Teller in western Alaska near Nome named after the Edward Teller of the drunk on nuclear power ill fame?

[@coweatsman]

No, it is not. Just checked Wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teller,_Alaska and it says:- "The station was named for United States Senator and Secretary of the Interior Henry Moore Teller in 1892 by Sheldon Jackson." It was a station set up to teach the native people how to farm reindeer. It along with nearby Wales and Nome are the closest US settlements to Russia.

[@stefanschleps8758]

I didn't expect this to end on a hopeful, positive note, so........thank you? Which inspires me to ask you guys, and ladies, to do one on arms reduction. Nuclear arms reduction. No, not the treaties. The nuts and bolts of the dismantling process. What becomes of the cores? For instance. How do you dismantle a nuke, and who does it? Peace, it's good karma.

[@darksun4523]

Attu: Google maps most sensored island.

[@bmilli-fc3kt]

I live near this place tikigaq and thank you for this info

[@pplebite8844]

Because a few metric tons of TNT wasn't enough...Question Everything and Everyone involved!

[@crhu319]

Nuclear bombs have one use: blow up asteroids

[@IrishMike22]

Not blown "literally sky high" guys. You're better than that.

[@jaymatz5881]

"Allegedly"

[@Beryllahawk]

I dunno, the fallout, ash, etc, DOES make it into upper atmosphere. That's the sky, innit? :D

[@OrdinarilyOrdinaryGoose]

“No ussr, we were just trying to help you build a port in Moscow!”