Inexplicable Items: 5 Mysterious Ancient Artifacts

[@ignitionfrn2223]

1:00 - Chapter 1 - Antikythera mechanism 3:35 - Chapter 2 - Shroud of turin 6:20 - Chapter 3 - London hammer 8:45 - Chapter 4 - Quimbaya aircraft 11:05 - Chapter 5 - Gabon nuclear reactor

[@ValeriePallaoro]

Thanks; I needed this .

[@DrLesleyStevens]

Thank you for your time a d work

[@peervermeiren8902]

You the real mvp

[@LarsAgerbk]

There you are. Thankyou.

[@jaspersmith5748]

Good looks yo!

[@MichaelMiller-tm2os]

SIMON! If you ever do another video on mysteries, can you cover the St. Mark/Alexander the Great controversy? For those who don't know, there is significant evidence that the body of St. Mark that is in Venice is actually the body of Alexander the Great. The last known account of Alexander's tomb is in about 392AD. By 402AD, the tomb was missing. But oddly, the tomb of St. Mark makes its first appearance in Alexandria, Egypt that same year. The theory is that when the Pope made paganism illegal in about 395, those who worshipped Alexander as a god did a little rebranding to prevent the destruction of the tomb. Adding to this evidence is the door of the tomb had Alexander's family seal on it, as well as a Sarissa and Macedonian shield and greaves. Further, when the body was moved in the early 1900s, it was said to be intact, not just a skeleton, which implies the body was mummified. St. Mark would not have been mummified, because his corpse was incinerated. However, Alexander absolutely would have been mummified. It is a fascinating mystery, and you can learn more by just googling "Alexander the Great or St. Mark."

[@erichbrewer6403]

Alexander's father was cremated and put into a golden casket in Macedonia. I suspect Alexander was buried similarly.

[@yomamasbutt6904]

@@erichbrewer6403 Thats how he was going to be buried until his casket was stolen and brought to Alexandria.

[@vjosullivan]

Theories and co-incidences can be interesting but only evidence counts for anything and there doesn't appear to be any here.

[@astrophysicistguy]

Then what do you call the fact that his family seal was on the tomb? Are you suggesting St Mark was part of Alexandra the Great’s family? You can’t simply ignore evidence when it doesn’t support your narrative

[@elijahbachrach6579]

@@vjosullivan I believe you miss the bit about Macedonian symbols on the door of the tomb, but I suppose you mean that nothing can be determined until the body is examined.

[@303ks]

It's not true that there were no mentioning of devices such as the antikythera mechanism in ancient literature. Cicero described a device that resembles it very well but he was not able to give a description over how it worked since he wasn't versed in technology so much as he was in philosophy and history. Others also made remarks of similar devices but until we actually discovered one, modern historians didn't know what to make of these descriptions of ancient planetariums and mostly dismissed them as fantasy

[@volodymyrzablotsky5372]

Agreed and other documentation of it was almost certainly lost with the destruction of the library of Alexandria and then Constantinople

[@ryanparker4996]

Modern era historians are very arrogant small minded people

[@303ks]

@@ryanparker4996 I wouldn't be so harsh about them but I would say this. Like Cicero in his time, modern historians are too mostly educated as scholars and their inclination is mostly in researching through text and language and less inclined to understand an engineering artifact with the complexity such as the antikythera mechanism. In these cases they should put their academic ego aside and consult with more technologically savvy scientists

[@ryanparker4996]

@@303ks but then they would have to admit they are wrong. Do you think Zahi Hawas would ever admit he is wrong?

[@edm2822]

@@volodymyrzablotsky5372 right! The amount of lost knowledge has to be great! So much of what we know of Ancient Rome and Greece survived in just one copy of a book here and there!

[@scurfdude]

I really enjoy that this video actually offers multiple theories for each mystery. Every video I’ve seen mentioning the Antikythera Mechanism up to this point has been extremely vague and overly theatrical about the mystery.

[@hoze1235]

ancient aliens is always the answer 😀😀

[@SoulDelSol]

Humans. It was humans

[@mhfromnh1421]

sounds like some sorta clock.

[@DaveDowling]

its exactly what a time traveler would need to figure out what year they are in.

[@Iun4]

​@@DaveDowlingor it's something the ancient romans and greeks would use to calculate how close they were to a certain festival since a lot of their festivals were related to celestial bodies

[@christinearmington]

I imagine we have scores of fascinating ruins and artifacts yet to be found 3-400 feet under the seas.

[@seanpease370]

And under the sands of the Sahara. About 10,000 years ago, the Sahara was a luscious wetland and forest.

[@testfire3000]

@@seanpease370 And the dry and desiccated conditions over the past few thousand years should be perfect for preserving any artifacts buried there.

[@seantyler7401]

Guaranteed. Most civilizations were started on the coast and next to waterways. The coast has changed over thousands of years. I bet there are all sorts of things

[@manoz6194]

3 feet is not very deep lol

[@kb9gkc]

@@seanpease370 Man made climate change!

[@eddietat95]

History Channel: ...aliens

[@eddietat95]

Also History Channel: how much could you pawn this for?

[@cattibingo]

Im not saying it's aliens buuuut

[@andrea6637]

History Channel Pawn Shop: "Best I can do it is, Aliens..."

[@willmfrank]

To camera: "If this artifact really is an extraterrestrial relic, it could be worth an absolute fortune!" To customer: "I'll give ya twenty bucks for it."

[@headsetlucky13]

Naw eta

[@acelaya352]

I live in central Texas. We have so many minerals in even our treated water that we have to flush out water heaters to keep them from clogging. I don't doubt for a minute that putting a hammer under a waterfall here would encase it in limestone in short time.

[@BlockDefender]

man it sucks that people can just get thumbs up for guessing random bs like this without a single consideration of looking up the differences in chemical bonds between limestone and minerals in drinking water

[@acelaya352]

@@BlockDefender No one is "guessing" anything. I flush my water heater out every year, it's full of hardened mineral deposits. I have to run vinegar through my coffee maker at least once a year to clear the same mineral deposits. These aren't guesses, these are things I see, taste, and touch. If anyone is "guessing" it's you.

[@MadameWesker]

​@No Content he's right. Mother Shipton Cave in England has a waterfall that can turn things to stone in 5 months. Do your research.

[@BlockDefender]

@@acelaya352 Ok person who things mineral deposits turn things to stone

[@acelaya352]

@@BlockDefender According to Merriam Webster the definition of "stone" is "earth or mineral matter hardened in a mass" sooooooooooo

[@Omegatonboom]

As a child in Wisconsin in the 90's, I would have to go to the Menomonie Public Library and rent VHS tape from Nova or National Geographic to get information like this... And honestly this is way better and there's unlimited amounts of it! And it's free! if I knew it was going to be like this in the future, I would have assumed everybody was going to be a genius. Lol

[@enyotheios2613]

When smart phones came out, and everyone now had a world library of knowledge at their finger tips, I thought they'd get more educated as well. What a backfire that turned out to be...

[@micahphilson]

Man, I loved Nova and shows like that as a kid! So crazy that now literally anybody with time to research and basic video software skills can make something similar, sometimes even almost as great of quality.

[@TheSamknu]

Everything in this video is worthless disproved and poorly researched bullshit. I knew it would be like this in the future.

[@Sideprojects]

thanks :)

[@Omegatonboom]

@@TheSamknu I just meant Simon's various videos and channels. As well as other great videos from other creators.

[@RoarOfWolverine]

The small gold airplanes are more likely an artistic stylized rendition of fish and insects. The vertical tail would certainly suggest a fish with oversized pectoral fins as the wings. One of the other small plane looking ones looks more like a beetle. No mystery at all. Much of our aircraft have been designed based on certain birds, fish and insects, because when you think about it, fish are actually flying through the water, which is why some are more built for speed, like a jet, while others are better suited for hovering in a stable manner in one place, more like a helicopter or a Harrier Jump Jet. Water moves across horizontal pectoral fins in the same way air flows across the top and bottom of airplane wings, creating different pressure zones thereby lift, while vertical wings add stability to the motion, which is why sharks and dolphin have dorsal fins. We do see two different designs for propulsion with sharks and all other fish using the vertical type tail, while whales and dolphins developed horizontal tails.

[@Mikej1592]

my thoughts exactly, I first thought they reminded me of what an artistic representation of a flying fish would look like. Granted it could also just be of a fish in water and not a flying one but still, an artistic rendition of a fish fits the shape much better than bird or thousand year old planes. Of course they could have been used as flying toys as I know I would be tossing one in the air to see if it flew if I was a rich kid thousands of years ago. i mean who wouldn't. I made paper airplanes long before I knew that I wasn't the first to make one.

[@victoriarose9802]

I don't know why everyone automatically assumes that our ancestors were stupid. The fact that they were able to recognise and utilise different metals says a lot. It's unfortunate that our history has been dictated by the Christian conquerors, who destroyed every library they encountered. On the contrary, perhaps we are the stupid people?

[@Maxcraft-1000]

I think it could be flying fish(don't know if where they were found there were flying fish)

[@mikekolokowsky]

The supposed sightings of alien craft look nothing like modern jet fighters. It would be unlikely that aliens would have shown the tribes those designs. Time traveling humans bring a fighter jet back 700 years? Where could you refuel? Why would you need a fighter jet against a tribe that fought with arrows?

[@scottbright2207]

I always thought they look like moths. If you look at the ones that have a face like design on them show that they are laying face up meaning the wings are on the back and not on the belly

[@drsnova7313]

Even without the antikythera device, ENIAC is only the first computer if you disqualify earlier attempts by setting some arbitrary parameters (has to be electronic, has to be multi-purpose). It is preceded by the British COLOSSUS in 1943, and the German Z3 in 1941. As with most inventions in the modern era attributed to some single source, they are really just incremental improvements on previous ones.

[@IanSlothieRolfe]

The Antikythera mechanism was as much a computer as a 16th century astrolabe, or a slide rule. The notable difference that came with the "computers" of the 1940's was that they were programmable to some degree, and Babbage probably beat them to that accolade with the analytical and difference engines, if you excuse him the small fact they were only demonstrated but never completed due to the difficulty of manufacture at the time.

[@gonhunter3994]

@@IanSlothieRolfe Shuddup plz

[@IanSlothieRolfe]

@@gonhunter3994 Wow we have an intellectual in the room.

[@jayrl8833]

@@IanSlothieRolfe pls excuse patrick starfish knowledge

[@GreatSageSunWukong]

@@IanSlothieRolfe don't forget Joseph Marie Jacquard programmable loom in 1801 that used punchcards to programme the textile design.

[@robertschubert5127]

The alien jam session sequence made my day.

[@moocyfarus8549]

Watch business Blaze 😏😎

[@stevepierce3364]

Dude Alien Jam Session 🎸

[@susie9893]

Me too! I lost total track/interest in what he was saying for a while

[@guywithalltheanswers6942]

Yea it's a great way to make something look ridiculous. Meanwhile our Navy is capturing videos of UFO's and releasing them to the public regularly.

[@PersonManManManMan]

same, made my day too

[@michaellowe3665]

Reminds me of that time in 1984 I went to work at the metal smashing plant and found a robot arm laying next to the hydraulic press.

[@f.a.kefacebook5688]

Shouldn't have sold it to that computer manufacturer, no good can come of that.

[@glenponder592]

@@f.a.kefacebook5688 dont worry the original owner will come back for it

[@legendofnone3037]

@@glenponder592 I have it on good authority that they'll be back

[@jonathanwilliams8633]

It's men like you that create the atomic bomb.

[@blondboozebaron]

Thumbs up.

[@rogerjacobs5240]

Concerning the "London Hammer", that looks like a spike maul. Years ago when I was a youngster I worked as a gandy dancer on the Burlington Northern railroad. This was in the early 1970's, we did have machines, but alot of work was still done by hand back then. The elongated head allowed us to drive spikes on either side of the rail without cracking the handle, where as a typical sledge hammer would have broken because of the height of the rail.

[@Moonhermit-]

Huh, after googling what they look like it does actually look identical to a spike maul. There's only one logical answer: Dinosaur Train is a goddamn documentary! PBS KNOWS TOO MUCH!

[@dwayneconaway1733]

He failed to mention that part of the handle had turned to coa,l this adding more complexity to it's age. If it is a recently manufactured hammer why is the wood turning to coal, if it is not then recent that creates another problem. I do believe that the metal has some cairituristics in and of itself like having chlorine in it, but I would have to revisit that to know for sure.

[@TrineDaely]

I've seen those, never knew their names. Kinda looks like it was encased in concrete (typed that right before Simon mentioned a way that could have happened).

[@fenrir5741]

The greeks found out steam power at some point in the 3rd century and they invented tools for potential experimental railroad design because the steam power made them think of making roads for horse carts a similar way to the first british railroad as a stop gap for the first steam cart prototypes which were never invented despite much pressure multiple wars between various countries caused the greeks to lose the technology and blueprints when their library burnt down the tool was found over a grown over mine that long sunk in by now

[@ChefT831]

@@fenrir5741 hey man, how you doing? Did you know punctuation is a thing that makes it a lot easier to understand what the fuck you are saying?

[@xgrandchampx8916]

Seems to me like mainstream history always underestimate the genius of our ancestors..

[@woutkoopman]

I feel it's the average human that underestimates it, historians mostly agree ancient civilizations were far advanced, for instance the ancient Greek prototype of the steam engine. Just the other day I had to convince someone that scientists in ancient civilizations knew, and could prove, the earth was round.

[@TheCho22]

C.S. Lewis calls the phenomenon, "chronological snobbery." I love that term.

[@JC_WT]

Fore sure. We have to remember, our written history only goes back about 10,000 years. And there's evidence of a massive worldwide cataclysm taking place about 12,000 years ago. Now think of everything humans have achieved over that 10,000 years, that we even know of. Then realise that anatomically modern humans have been around for at least 300,000 years.. 30 times the span of our written history. Imagine what a human civilisation that had 50,000 years of uninterrupted advancement could have achieved. If something is possible now, it was also possible in the ancient past. With a powerful enough event, and enough time, there'd be very little proof to surviving humans to even show they existed at all. To think we're definitely, without question, the most advanced humans to have ever lived is pretty arrogant.

[@palicar]

Or we overestimate our own.

[@pjreichenbach7549]

Yes. You are so right.

[@Immortal-Headcase]

A lot of this reminds me of an episode of Buck Rogers I watched as a kid. In the episode, Buck who is now in the 25th century, goes to a museum where a professor of archeology is giving a lecture on a stained glass tiffany style lampshade that was popular in the 1970s, the professor had the shade upside down on a table giving his expert opinion on the late 20th century electric salad bowl. So you see, its all a matter of perspective, those "jet airplanes" for example, if you stand them on their tail, instead of delta wing aircraft you have a person in ceremonial clothing, like a flared cape or Condor wings mid dance like on native american totem poles. The mechanism may have been a one of a kind prototype royal treasure, which is why it was nicked to begin with, that silly hammer, if it was ancient the wooden handle would have rotted.

[@rburns9730]

If you stand the "planes" on their tail the tail doesn't look like any foot or legs I've ever seen and why is there only one? They had no problem making human statues with legs. And even the ones with the legs joined still had two distinct legs ending in feet. Don't get me wrong I'm sure misattribution is fairly common in archeology. But, these people could make a decent human likeness. Even stylized birds on totems look like birds.

[@Jimir]

I always thought they looked more like flying fish than a plane. They even look like they got eyes near the "front"

[@erikjrn4080]

The Antikythera mechanism was certainly a prototype, as regular production models weren't a thing. However, it's far too complicated to be a first prototype. There will have been others, implementing the functions separately. A lot of people will have spent decades developing and perfecting the technology, to produce the Antikythera mechanism. That doesn't mean the ancient World was awash with the things, nor that their design was common knowledge, but it does mean that some very interesting things were happening, that we can only infer, and have no direct knowledge of.

[@IanSlothieRolfe]

@@erikjrn4080 There's no reason that lots of people were necessarily involved. It may have been the obsession project of one particularly motivated individual over a period of many decades who re-used components and metal from previous versions for his/her next, particularly if that person had the patronage of a wealthy noble or merchant, as was often the case at the time. There is a channel "Clickspring" where a jeweller "Chris" is demonstrating how the entire thing can be made with simpler techniques and tools that would have been available to an artisan of the time. If the person was or had access to the knowledge of astronomers of the time, the mechanism would have been a logical development from the requirements and mechanisms like astrolabes and astronomical/navigational tools were being made at the time all over the developed world so the principles of modelling planetary motion were well known and well observed. The Antikythera mechanism was certainly unique, and the creation of a genius, I don't deny.

[@erikjrn4080]

@@IanSlothieRolfe Building the thing isn't the hard part. Developing the theory and technology is. Cogwheels and levers may seem simple, but they're not. To use them for calculation requires significant insight into mechanical theory. The Antikythera mechanism required the skill and precision you'd need to make a mechanical clock; having the tools isn't enough. That said, of course it could've been the life time achievement of an extraordinary genius. It's just incredibly unlikely. It could also have occurred spontaneously, through the improbable power of quantum probability. I have to admit, though, as explanations go, that's definitely an outlier. The point is, the explanation is almost always that there was a community, and it's logically the most reasonable explanation. That makes it the rational assumption, when assumptions are called for.

[@johanneskaiser8188]

When we discussed the Antikythera Mechanism in a history seminar, the agreed-upon theory between students and professor was that is had most likely been developed by a genius engineer in Alexandria and was en route to Rome, to be evaluated by a wealthy client. If that were to be true, spare a thought for the poor bloke of inventor who probably would have liked fame and money coming his way, but instead got the message "We are terribly sorry, but your package was misplaced. We hope you will continue to ship with Alexandria Postal Service." Or the ancient equivalent, obviously (which would have been a message from the presumably also sunk captain, but that's no fun, is it?).

[@unoleagotiya5583]

Sooooooo... Fedex started in Alexandria???🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂😂😂

[@wildman2012]

My kingdom... for a tracking number!

[@timothyblazer1749]

Disagree. The device shows ample evidence that it was not a primarily handcrafted item. This means that it was likely one of many like it.

[@johanneskaiser8188]

@@timothyblazer1749 Okay, I want to see your source on that assessment, please. I have not read that anywhere, and during my university years I have done some research on this particular item.

[@elijahbachrach6579]

@@johanneskaiser8188 interesting stuff. Do you know whether casting was likely to have been involved? If so, could this have been a method of mass manufacturing? I understand, of course, that with any cast object there is a lot of refining involved, but do you suppose that this singularity remarkable artifact is really singular?

[@sporkafife]

Caesar wasn't an emperor! He simply dressed like an emperor, acted like an emperor, had all the power of an emperor, and sat in a nice big golden chair like an emperor! But he said he simply wanted to restore the republic to it's former glory, not be an emperor, silly Simon!

[@Punishthefalse]

That sounds exactly like something an Emperor would say.

[@thegermanicus9354]

Lots wrong in this comment.

[@sporkafife]

@@thegermanicus9354 probably mate, I don't really know what I'm on about, except for the fact that Caesar wasn't an emperor, the rest of the comment comes from fuzzy memories of documentaries and KZbin videos I watched years ago.

[@adamantu]

@@sporkafife Technically speaking he was, because "Imperator" in roman times was a honorary title for a victorious military leader and a military command was called "Imperium". But you are right that Caesar was not an emperor in the modern sense of the word, a monarchic ruler of the highest class, which is ironically synonymous with the from the name "Caesar" derived titles "Kaiser" und "Tsar"

[@shanecarubbi7864]

@@adamantu 🤔 interesting...

[@seanbrazell7095]

That Creationist Evidence museum building looks EXACTLY like I thought it would.

[@olddoggeleventy2718]

In reference to "The Shroud of Turin" sequence... In the medieval days, and before as well as after, there were, I guess what you would call rogue knights or errant knights. Soldiers of fortune if you will. These opportunists took great advantage of the religious fervor of the day i.e. crusades in the holy land, inquisition, etc. They were essentially relic hunters. Looking for anything that promoted the faith in a tangible way. ex. A piece of the cross, an arm bone from a martyr, a burial shroud... for a price. In those days having a relic meant pilgrimages to the holy relic...meaning an influx of monies for lodging, food, and care of pack animals. It proved to be a fairly lucrative business. The rub. When there were no relics to be had...they were manufactured and passed as the real deal. Sorry to have gone on so long. Just wanted to share.

[@omarb7164]

Thanks, very interesting. I sometimes wondered about certain weird holy relics like finger bones or individual iron nails, but this makes sense to why these exist while there’s no credible “skeleton of Jesus”

[@Gamble661]

I think most legitimate historians have come to the conclusion that that's just what the shroud is; a fake relic manufactured in medieval times to be sold to some naïve nobleman or community looking for relics to display. The only real mystery is the process by which it was made.

[@ferociousgumby]

Some of these martyrs must have had more arms than an octopus.

[@Saucyakld]

Exactly! The holy lands were pillaged

[@rudra62]

@@ferociousgumby Do you realize how many FORESTS were cut down to make up all of the pieces of "the True cross"?

[@domhuckle]

The Antikythera mechanism is the most important find in history - the craftsmanship required to manufacture such a thing implies whole industries of precision cog making and technical and astronomical know-how. The artifact itself sits at the top of a pyramid of behaviours and executions, all of which we know nothing about

[@DjDolHaus86]

A youtuber and watchmaker called Clickspring did a series showing how the device could be manufactured using tools, techniques and knowledge known to be available at the time (all cited). He hypothesised that the item was a masterpiece as viewed by the older standard of the word where it was a piece created to show mastery of techniques, probably for an extremely wealthy client. We mustn't fall into the trap of viewing people of the past as simpletons, things such as astrology and complex mathematics were well understood nearly 2000 years before this mechanism was created

[@gettfoffmynews3315]

As much as I love archaeology and history I have to say that sometimes these people really are reaching for the stars and the moon.

[@JaelaOrdo]

I feel like that’s just human nature at times, simple answers tend to be boring so people sometimes feel the need to come up with crazier ones (like 👽)

[@merctos7933]

The fact people miss all the time is how much tech has advanced in the last 50 years. They did the best they could at the time. Some of this is not just 50 but hundreds of years.

[@Wolfpaw754]

Look up the Nampa figurine, also just because something was of intelligent design, doesn't mean it was humans, earth could be kinda like a daycare centre for new races of intelligent life

[@Wolfpaw754]

@@JaelaOrdo there's plenty of proof of aliens, it's just not accepted because it destroys the idea of evolution, atheism is the religion of anti-religion

[@usernameinvalidforu]

@@Wolfpaw754 No. Atheism is not a religion.

[@rangerstl07]

Simon, ENIAC is the first ELECTRONIC computer. Mechanical computers have been around for a long time. The most sophisticated of these include the Norden bomb sight, submarine torpedo targeting computers, and many others. They have been known almost as far back as gear ratios...

[@Martin-pb7ts]

Great point.

[@ninjanoodle2674]

Simon Whistler: "It is a bit of a mystery, but it is not aliens." Giorgio Tsoukalos: "We've got 180+ episodes that says otherwise."

[@Bob-nc5hz]

Objection: the ENIAC was the first *programmable electronic* computer, which is a rather different proposition than "first computer". It had been preceded by (electro) mechanical and analog computers, usually special-purpose e.g. fire-controls, tide predictors, drift sights, differential analyzers, ... ENIAC was not even the first programmable computer, as the electromechanical Z3 preceded it by a few years. The Antikythera mechanism was an *orrery*, which predate most other types of analog computers by centuries, as (in the west at least) they're an outgrowth of clock-work.

[@anetka556]

The Colossus built in 1943-1945 by british codebreakers at GCHQ also predates ENIAC

[@vipr]

ENIAC: "I'm the first computer" Alan Turing: "Am I nothing to you?"

[@darthkarr]

Plus he calls Julius Ceaser "Emperor".

[@hannibalcase1100]

Antikythera Mechanism: "Amateurs!"

[@jamiemcaloon5548]

Yeah I was going to call him out on that too, it was thought to be the first computer..but Winston ordered its destruction so it didn't fall into enemy hands.

[@MusicalRaichu]

@@jamiemcaloon5548 Churchill ordered Turing's destruction!? i know Churchill was in office at the time, but I'm pretty sure it was the court, not Churchill, and it ordered his castration, not his destruction.

[@jamiemcaloon5548]

@@MusicalRaichu his colossus computer lol..but thanks for the laugh

[@daveh9753]

Eniac was not the world's first computer, that recognition goes to Colossus, a digital, programmable electronic computer used by the British in to break the complex German codes. It used vast banks of radio valves and evolved through several versions during the WW2 becoming fully operational in early 1944 whereas Eniac, which was also under development during the war, did not become operational until late 1945. It was, however, more sophisticated than Colossus, being "Turing compliant".

[@nc5902]

Turing Complete, but yes I noticed that as well.

[@julesgosnell9791]

aren't we forgetting Babbage ?

[@daveh9753]

@@julesgosnell9791 Depends what you mean by a computer. Babbage proposed an entirely mechanical calculating machine primarily for preparing tidal charts but he never actually built one. A working model was made by the London Science Museum some years ago based on his drawings and specifications though. If we were to include Babbage then it open up the game to other contestants such as Jacquard who preceded Babbage in inventing a working programmable loom using a punched card system that was later adopted by electronic computers and is still in use today in weaving. Then there was Ada Lovelace, daughter of the poet Byron and a gifted mathematician, who recognised that Babbage's calculating machine could be programmed and published the world's first algorithm for computing Bernoulli numbers using Babbage's machine, although it was never tested.

[@julesgosnell9791]

@@daveh9753 If the clockwork, non-programmable Antikythera mechanism qualifies, then the bits of Babbage's various engines that he did manage to build should do - It would be interesting to be able to rank these various devices in terms of complexity, which is what we are really watching evolve here.

[@morphman86]

@@daveh9753 Then what about the programmable machines used since the early 19th century? Things like the auto-looms certainly fit the definition of a programmable computer. The thing that put ENIAC on the map was that it was programmable, digital, electronic and general purpose. They do cheat a bit to get that "world's first" title, by defining it that hard, but that's marketing for you. It was still a great machine though, helped with pretty much every major scientific discovery for 2 decades.

[@MrBiggles53]

“It’s aliens” Guy: lots of hair. “It’s not aliens” Guy: bald as a cucumber, swears and drinks a lot on one of his less scripted channels. I think we’re just seeing a little meme jealosy here.

[@ChickSage]

Actually, he seems to have good reason to say it's not aliens. If bald people cared about hair, they would wear wigs :)

[@John_Fugazzi]

Thank you for clearly showing the Antikythera device and what it did. Early on when it was referred to as a device which computed planetary motions, etc. the Ancient Astronaut crowd went wild saying "They found a COMPUTER from thousands of years ago and letting the public imagine a laptop or PC.

[@jamesjacobsen7873]

The hammer was tested and the wood handle was in early stages of petrification. Now that's a game changer

[@kevincornell1439]

also if it was left under a water fall it would be completely rusted away long before it could be incased in stone. the best explanation would be they found a petrified stick in a rock then attached the hammer to it. iron would never look that good after a thousand years let alone long enough to be incased in rock.

[@daddyfish2183]

The Tumbaga Alloy airplanes one always annoyed me. Have people seriously never seen a picture of a flying fish before? Jeez...

[@mbecker163]

Simon, I'm beginning to get the impression that you may be somewhat skeptical of supernatural or unearthly explanations 🤔

[@Zyo117]

Really? What could have possibly given you that idea?

[@Sideprojects]

I have no idea what would give you that idea! ;D

[@cascorick8253]

most of us atheist are like that!

[@mikieswart]

@William Carlson pretty sure he also cast those golden bird-fish-plane things for a quick buck between sponsor reads

[@paulfaigl8329]

He definitely is biased in the way you mentioned. He hasn't seen enough and reflected even less.

[@z4zuse]

KZbin channel “Click Spring” is in the process of rebuilding the Antikythera Mechanism with hand tools only.

[@OldNew45]

I thought it had already been done.

[@MrPig40]

It's been recreated several times already.

[@z4zuse]

@@OldNew45true, but the handtools only aspect is (fairly) unique.

[@Draugo]

@@z4zuse Not only hand tools but also using as much period accurate methods as possible to show it can be done, that's the main thing of Click Spring's build. He's pretty much demonstrated that they had the tools and knowledge to get it done with the accuracy needed.

[@timothyball3144]

He has also written a paper, along with others, about a certain aspect of it. In it, they present a hypothesis that an assumption that most everyone has taken as a fact, is actually wrong. Now that its published, we are all hoping he will be able to get back to it. In the meantime, we just rewatch his older videos because what he does is not just incredible work, but the videography is just as good and its always a pleasure to hear, "G'day. Chris here."

[@joeydr1497]

I’m gonna invent time travel just so I can leave an iPhone in a dinosaur skeleton

[@Road_Rash]

The time travel device will likely malfunction & you'll get eaten by a dinosaur which will make it more likely to wind up embedded in fossilized dinosaur poop...

[@Nick-jf7ku]

Sure.... what a pointless thing to say

[@FriedAudio]

Too late, I've already done it; tomorrow...

[@mikieswart]

@@Nick-jf7ku i mean… kind of like your comment?

[@billduplessis5810]

Needs to be a Blackberry.

[@SuperDaveP270]

8:46 I know this video is two years old at the time of my finally seeing it, BUT...the Quimbaya "aircraft" are obviously not aircraft, nor are they even birds. I think what they ARE should be equally as obvious, but what is even more apparent is that not very many people ever seem to come close to getting it right. These are fish. They are most likely fish from the Loricariidae which are prevalent in that area. There are even species of Lithoxus with rows of protruding and curled spines on the leading edge of the pectoral fins, exactly as depicted in one of the pictures shown. Most Loricariids have prominent dorsal fins like a sail, and so much of this is obviously highly stylized...which you would never guess from seeing some with human faces on them! 🙄 The point is, people always show the ones that most closely resemble modern aircraft while completely ignoring the MANY DOZENS that much more closely resemble these fish.

[@WuCSquad]

10:57 It's very unscientific to say "it's not x even though we don't know what it is".

[@elfodd35]

The alleged South American flying craft have been shown to represent fish, there are fish that look exactly like that.

[@ericreeves1342]

Or did the aliens genetically engineer the fish to look like flying craft so humans would always have a blueprint around??? -History Channel probably

[@docdirtymrclean3610]

@@ericreeves1342 Ancient Astronaut Theorists say : You damn right

[@ernestsmith3581]

The delta wing they kept showing looked like a cicada to me.

[@jaquelindrake6680]

False

[@Veldtian1]

Urrm no. Like what f**ing fish are you referring to? They are stylized aeroplane type craft, it's not the only depictions of airfoil based vehicles ever found you know? Also the cultures actually SPEAK of flying beings so, yeah.

[@AJ-zt4bb]

Lol, imagine if it was just a Cold War era Soviet time travel experiment where they sent a MiG 21 back in time to Columbia and decided to keep quiet about it because they weren’t able to bring it back. This would be an amazing plot for a novel

[@GrndAdmiralThrawn]

Thank you for giving me my next project

[@spencerglenn-stone7551]

The fact that nuclear fission can just casually happen in nature is absurd.

[@larapalma3744]

Monkeys and typewriters, anything is theoretically possible

[@jgarbo3541]

You forget God, impervious to the laws of physics.See you in church....

[@mr.abbott212]

It’s possible… but about as possible as a 2 billion year old nuclear reactor

[@NavyDood21]

@@jgarbo3541 The bad thing is that God doesnt exist, its just a made up thing by people who dont want to actually have to face the facts of the world.

[@andypanda4927]

NEVER believed that hammer millions of years old. That wooden handle wasn't petrified (couldn't last w/o special conditions). Like Simon mentioned, likely accretion around it.

[@Compman55]

Wow. The quality of these videos have really improved in 3 years.

[@jacoboleary9076]

"These metal objects can't be birds because they aren't anatomically correct" Because no one has ever taken artistic license before ever

[@diamondsmasher]

For all we know, they might even be aerodynamically stable because the kids of the time threw them in the air like a paper airplane, or launched them with a slingshot.

[@dfhellraiser4td]

@@diamondsmasher my first thought exactly! They look like paper airplanes!

[@Go4Noctis]

@@dfhellraiser4td Makes me wonder if rubber came from the same area. Make it easy to launch

[@charlesvigneron565]

A one in a million chance will happen 9 times out of ten! Sir Terry Pratchett.

[@DMT-kk3dp]

Wonderful author, that man! 😁

[@kreynolds1123]

hrm... stream of thought. two coin flips turning up heads is 1/2×1/2=1/(2^2)=1/4. So odds of 1 in a million 9 times in a row is 1/(1,000,000^9). Certainly that is very very small odds by many standards. But, given infinite time to repeat the chances, it becomes an absolute certanty. by the way, i dont know author or the quote to know his original intent.

[@CaliforniaCarpenter7]

@@kreynolds1123 Assuming infinity is probably more ridiculous than the original quote. Bosons and Gluons speak Paleolithic Clickboxica... mmmmaybe?

[@kreynolds1123]

@@CaliforniaCarpenter7 So are you saying original quote was speeking to ridiculousness vs given sufficient time and repeat throws of a dice, any thing improbable becomes a significant probability?

[@CaliforniaCarpenter7]

@@kreynolds1123 I don’t believe we have any way of knowing whether infinity even exists. Applying the concept to a theory or supposition is, therefore, fundamentally flawed given the premise is unprovable (as far as I am aware). Personally, I *believe* in eternity but I cannot count on being correct. And I was also being a cheeky smartass 🤷‍♂️🙏

[@sibire8284]

The alien intro concert was a treat.

[@OsoAloc]

A waterfall or something similiar is no explanation why the shaft of this hammer is petrified

[@tsinquisition3455]

Sedimentation is a thing and no, the shaft is not pretrified...

[@szepadam5]

check out Tom Scott's video titled England's Oldest Attraction Turns Teddy Bears To Stone, that waterfall can "petrify" anything in 5 months.

[@Saucyakld]

My father had a hammer like that! Used it for years and years and when I asked him where it came from he said he was gardening in Holland and his spade struck it. When we moved to New Zealand for his job it was left behind so no idea who has it now

[@robertharper3754]

There are soooo many artifacts like this that this really needs to be a series!!!!!

[@MayaHiortPetersen]

I agree! but more time on each one! I wanted to know more! The last one left my brain feeling like mush!

[@Palipilap]

The Oklo Phenomenon has been well understood since the 80s (at least). There is a paper by noted Geophysicist Paul Kuroda which outlines the natural nuclear fission reaction that took place there.

[@jamesbayly4181]

Never heard about that. I know that jesus said destroy this temple ( KODESH= HOLY OF HOLIES) and in 3 days (yom's) i will raise it up. Thought to consider jesus died on fri before sunset and rose on sunday after sunrise. A day or yom in hebrew is one of 3 interpetations... Any part of a 24 hour day, a 24 hour day, or as an epoch such as the lifetime of someone like abraham. So jesus was in the grave before sunset fri. One yom, 24 hrs sat. Two yoms, then rose on sunday. 3 yoms! Scripture also says that GOD the father would raise him up and also the HOLY SPIRIT as well. I understand the scorch image is only on the surface of the shroud. Also that the negative image has 3d encoding in the image. Something that we had not even known how to read untill 1970's developed with aide of computers for the mars mission. Paintings do not have 3d encoding! I dont know that it was nuclear fission used to resurrect jesus but it left a mark on the shroud didnt it! Oh the blood type AB! On youtube ron wyatt finds the ark of the covenant and finds dried blood on it. It was examined and it has only 24 chromasomes. 23 from mother and 1 from the HOLY SPIRIT! I'll bet it two is type AB! Wonder if they could examine the blood on the shroud to see if it only has 24 chromosomes ... I mean if they really want to lay this thing to rest... With a definitive answer....

[@PeteZurria]

@@jamesbayly4181 where do you get your weed

[@jamesbayly4181]

@@PeteZurria havent touched it since a few years out of high school! That would be about 1980! I didnt make any of that up either! Im sure you dont care! It would complicate things for you! Youll decide what is true or not! Not find out if true or not!

[@Buffalo_Man_]

@@jamesbayly4181 Does the hook in your cheek ever hurt?

[@jamesbayly4181]

@@Buffalo_Man_ not clear on where your coming from??? Are you also a christian or is this mockery? Sometimes pain in growth or letting once cherished things go! However like a child finding that letting go of childish things to grasp a greater reality makes it all worthwhile! Toys, trinkets and baubles or agape......mmmmm? I dont know what i dont know and that im finding is plenty! I have help! I couldnt possible know what is being revealed! So...friend or foe? In the know or in the dark?

[@JaelaOrdo]

The fact that some people still consider the Shroud of Turin to be genuine is ridiculous

[@bakonax7080]

Uh, there has been some pretty convincing evidence that it is true, watch a video about it on a channel called Mr Mythos, he breaks down pretty well the investigations carried on the shroud. Still, why would it be ridiculous to believe is real? What I am missing?

[@knallpistolen]

@@bakonax7080 The story of Jesus is not true

[@marianoperezromero3277]

@@knallpistolen he was probably real like the person but the miracles and the rest of that probably not

[@marianoperezromero3277]

@@knallpistolen like the other religious figures (Prophet Muhammad, Moses etc...) probably exist but did they actually do the miracles or get visions probably not

[@glenchapman3899]

The thing with the Shroud, even as a forgery or fake, it is still an enigma. No one has yet to figure out how the image got on the linen.

[@frocat5163]

Roman crucifixion didn't (generally) involve driving nails through the victim's wrists. I believe most historical accounts of actual crucifixions explain how the victim's forearms are actually tied to the crosspiece to help support their weight. The nails were then driven through the hands, near the base of the thumb, and through the median nerve. The idea that nails were driven through the wrists largely arose because people believed nails driven through a person's palms couldn't support the persons weight (though modern studies have shown nails driven through the palms _can_ support the victim's weight). Additionally, the nails driven through the victim's "feet" were either placed between the 2nd and 3rd metatarsals so the victim's weight would be supported by the bones in the feet, or they were driven through the sides of the victim's ankles. There are several skeletons of crucifixion victims with the remains of nails driven laterally through the ankles. This nail placement would greatly reduce the weight born by the nails in the upper limbs. The point of crucifixion wasn't just to execute the condemned; it was to _hurt_ the condemned for several days before they died. Driving nails through nerve bundles causes excruciating pain the entire time, and the mechanics of breathing while crucified require the victim to continually use the nails and ropes to move themselves up and down, further triggering pain from their wounds. Say what you will about the Romans, they certainly knew creative ways to hurt people.

[@vtalen]

I never understand why people don't realize that there very well could have been part civilizations as advanced as us. But then went extinct and history then starts over.

[@poetik1ofthedark]

Is no one going to mention the fact that the Alien band needs a drummer?

[@fefelarue2948]

IKR!

[@capq57]

Aliens are incredibly good at beatboxing, so drums would be an unnecessary burden.

[@jaredkennedy6576]

The ship is disc shaped because it is a giant drum. The sound changes depending on where it's hit and what angle it's at to the listener. The mechanism to allow one operator to control it is really complex and distracting, so they have an upper cover.

[@OriginalR69]

Nah, because the drummer is always overlooked (sad trombone) ;)

[@sheckyfeinstein]

The government doesn’t want you to know.

[@youngggodd1829]

That “plane”looks like a catfish lmao

[@f.a.kefacebook5688]

Catfish have horizontal stabilizers on their tails?

[@ryjinannon]

@@f.a.kefacebook5688 Tete Sea Catfish do.

[@DrJambonius]

I think some people underestimate our ancestor and some other overestimate them. It is very possible that children or even adult playing with stuff similar to paper (like birch bark) and eventually folded that into a plane shape and witnessed that it could fly. This does'nt mean they built a real aircraft, but they probablynhad the imagination to suppose that birds are not the only things that can fly. They would later transform that "paper" aircraft into metal one.

[@normandylander]

The figurines are artistic representations of flying fish, found off the coastline of the whole of the Pacific side of the south American land mass, flying fish which have the 'delta' wings shown as fins which they spread for their short 'flights'.. You're welcome.

[@johnsaunders2109]

Thats a theory, fair enough! But so is the plane explanation.

[@ssokolow]

@@johnsaunders2109 What with so many of the other ones being depictions of local wildlife, which explanation is more likely? Especially when some of those delta wing'd shapes had to have the big curls on the front removed to make planes, while there exist local fish with bristles on the front of their fins. Occam's razor.

[@semaj_5022]

@@johnsaunders2109 the plane explanation would be a hypothesis, whereas the flying fish explanation would be a theory, as it has observational evidence to back up its explaining power.

[@Mark_Bickerton]

ENIAC was not the first computer, cant believe Simon and his team got that wrong!

[@TheMonkeyscribe]

Wasn’t his point that one might think something like the ENIAC was first, but the Antekethyra mechanism preceded it by millennia?

[@Mark_Bickerton]

@@TheMonkeyscribe Er no. Colossus was an electronic, programmable computer built during the war to break enigma and especially Lorenz ciphers, but it was a secret for many years, which WAS why ENIAC was (until around the 1980's I think) believed to be the first!

[@TheMonkeyscribe]

@@Mark_Bickerton not saying you’re wrong about Eniac but the point of the video was that electronic computers were not the first computers and were preceded by mechanical computers by something like 2100 years.

[@Mark_Bickerton]

@@TheMonkeyscribe You can take that view if you like, I'm not going to make a big issue of it... have a great day sir!

[@harolddoe6453]

The first full scientific analysis of the Shroud of Turin was in 1978. Key findings were the apparent blood stains were blood, the image is not paint or any other substance put on the cloth, and the image contains 3D information. When analysed with the same techniques used with pictures from space probes the density of the image corresponds to the 3D of the facial features. This produced a 3D image of the body and face. No known process does this.

[@paulhart8814]

the hammer would not rust, not with it being 97% iron, the reason our metals rust is due to whats added, there is an example of proof which is the iron pillar in India which is 1600 years old yes one thousand six hundred

[@unholyspire2530]

I thought they tested the wood of the hammer shaft and it was petrified wood already

[@greggarner1328]

Since you mentioned the shroud of Turin I'm surprised you didn't mention the Virgin of Guadalupe. And as for the nuclear reactor in Ghana I have just one word. Wakanda.

[@zeekwolfe5781]

Kill the background noise. Thank you!

[@LeapVision]

The shroud of Turin came with a letter from its creator boasting about it. He was basically advertising that he could create more relics like it if paid well...

[@iamthelaw2828]

False.

[@Gutslinger]

What was his name?

[@TheBarry1394]

You made me remember a docummentary about the Shroud of Turim where they tried to c14 date it to debunk it being authentic. They went on to say it was from the 600s, to then reveal the corner where they took the sample was fixed in the 1200s (or middle ages, cant recall) (you could actually see on video the pattern was weird from the place they took the sample). The end of the documentary said "ok we might have fucked up" and then it ended. Like ok wtf mr documentary

[@barnabyaprobert5159]

The shroud puzzles me because that isn't the way one would wrap a corpse. You would wrap it around the body like a mummy.

[@jenmacallister9379]

That and Jesus was never a white guy with blond hair.

[@doctoruttley]

Actually you would use a sheet like the shroud. Serves as a base layer and end covers when you then wrap the body like a mummy.

[@artkemono]

Is it just me, or do the "airplane" artifacts look like flying fish? I'm no expert, but that might help explain more of the features that birds would, and it would also explain the apparent aerodynamic design.

[@majorbruster5916]

That might be nearer the case. But, there are no flying fish - as such - in South America. The nearest examples would be the hatchetfish of the genera Gasteropelecus, Carnegiella and Thoracocharax. These species can leap out of the water to evade predators but their pectoral fins are not particularly developed, rather they rely on a modified ventrum or keel which allows them to hydroplane over the surface of the water, often gaining sufficient momentum to achieve flight. However, the models more closely resemble the African butterfly fish, Pantodon buchholtzii, in the shape of the "wings", which are very enlarged pectoral fins modified for sustaining short flight. But the shape of the tailplane is reminiscent of a vertical stabilizer and rudder on a conventional aeroplane, as well as the addition of a pair of elevators.

[@SquigglyP]

The carvings are representative of fish found in that area. Specifically, the one that has the little swirls toward the front edges of the 'wings' is thought to be of a local catfish species that has bristly hair-like spines on the leading edges of their fins. This specific topic was covered on Ancient Aliens, and was subsequently debunked in a youtube video called, fittingly, "Ancient Aliens Debunked", which is a fantastic video that is very much worth the three hour runtime. It's just three hours of a guy ripping the History Channel a new asshole.

[@tlarson5422]

But there is no bottom to the back tail, I see what you’re saying, hear me out, on the back tail won’t find a single fish with just the top

[@majorbruster5916]

@@SquigglyP yes, there are catfish like that, Pseudodoras niger being one, popularly called the ripsaw catfish - for obvious reasons. I'm sure there are others, but my knowledge of the Doradidae of that region is somewhat limited.

[@majorbruster5916]

@@tlarson5422 As people have said, these are highly stylised representations of animals, so they are not anatomically correct. A species of South American catfish, Brachyplatystoma filamentosum, possesses a large dorsal lobe to the caudal fin and a reduced ventral lobe which could easily be omitted from a model so the object could sit upright on a flat surface.

[@septembermeadows3107]

What's with the soundtrack!? I enjoy just hearing your voice. Too distracting, too subtracting.

[@ValeriePallaoro]

What sound track ...

[@thedude2755]

@@ValeriePallaoro the music in the background as hes talking........

[@thedude2755]

I definitely agree. Would be alot better with the music

[@sdg2450]

The music is definitely distracting for me during parts of this video.

[@rosebryce3939]

Such a delightful narrator/performer. Great use of throw away lines and asside lines. Lovely voice and articulation. Thanks for giving an old announcing teacher such pleasure.

[@YooToobah]

Top 5 ancient mysteries: Antikythera mechanism Top 5 unexplained mysteries: Antikythera mechanism Top 5 examples of ancient technology: Antikythera mechanism Top 5 moments in the Big Brother house: Antikythera mechanism

[@Saki630]

quiet audio throughout, and then 100000% increased for the outro...

[@ValeriePallaoro]

Yeah!

[@Sideprojects]

its to scare the shit out of people who might have fallen asleep.

[@nutbastard]

@@Nemo67577 You'd think the guy with four thousand nine hundred and eighty two channels would know a thing or two about audio engineering, but nope. I'm also not sure if the dark lighting in the Simon shots are intentional, but they do stand out.

[@xILLxChronic]

@@nutbastard I'd actually be surprised to learn Simon was the one doing the editing on videos.

[@Plafintarr]

@@Sideprojects Lmao!

[@merlyworm]

Those Asgard are rockin those gee-tars!

[@DavieTait]

1st Computer was Colosus built to a specification by Allan Turing by a General Post Office ( who ran the phone lines for the UK at the time ) engineer using off the shelf equipment en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer

[@m.g.540]

The modern computer was born out of the urgent necessity after the Second World War to face the challenge of Nazism through innovation. But the first iteration of the computer as we now understand it came much earlier when, in the 1830s, an inventor named Charles Babbage designed a device called the Analytical Engine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_Engine

[@terryarmbruster7986]

Lol and before Babbage was programmed looming machine which makes it first video carded type computer with actual PHYSICAL output bwahaha. Lol also see my comment on why Shroud is fake regarding looms. The Jacquard Loom in 1803 is very first actual punch card type computer using a 0 1 type hole no hole process that resulted in an actual physical visual output. A complete system practically.

[@Big_Tex]

Which one was the first computer depends on how you define "computer" and whether you count ones that never worked for real. There are like 5 candidates. But ... not the Antikythera device.

[@TheSiameseDreamer]

You are misunderstanding the term "computer"

[@patternwhisperer4048]

@@terryarmbruster7986 And before we had the abacus and even before that stonehenge

[@Rolf-farmedfacts-supervisor]

That hammer is lodged in a sulphuric comp. It grows veeeery much faster than...say...regular rocks

[@wheelzwheela]

5:42 I watched a documentary once that said the reason for the date discrepancy was that the Vatican had taken the samples had been from the edges an area that had been repaired in the past and after the date had come back the leader of the team (an atheist) refused to test it any further. I have no idea if it’s true.

[@MikeGaruccio]

Comparing the antikythera mechanism to the Eniac is a bit of a stretch. No one has suggested it's turing-complete so it would be better compared with earlier mechanical calculating devices that have been around in some form or another since the 1600's

[@GarfieldRex]

Me, as a Colombian, didn't even know about the Tumbaga alloy, despite visiting gold museum and loving Quimbaya artifacts.

[@FluxDeimos]

is it just me or do they look more like fish representations?

[@Wolfpaw754]

Anything that doesn't fit into the modern theory is either hidden, destroyed or kept secret, like the evidence for giants for example, it screws up the theory of evolution

[@andymorrall]

@@FluxDeimos Yes, to me they look like flying fish.

[@honeysucklecat]

@@Wolfpaw754

[@frankboogaard88]

that is probably because they are 100% gold and not an alloy?

[@RaminTork]

The explantion for the aircraft sculptures is that they are flying fish sculptures!

[@ArtlessFool]

Or manta rays. That's what the tail says to me.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

No. There are wind tunnel tests on several that show identical designs including trail wings to modern airplanes. Including generating lift

[@Flint-Dibble-the-Don]

@@jacobstrutner8232 No. So do the fish.

[@xenophon5159]

Fish don’t don’t have a vertical fin on the end of their tail fins.

[@andymuskopf8473]

No, kites.

[@5ifty6ixmediauk]

I noticed people writing off the Ancient Alien theory. The TV Show trivialises it tbh, not a fan. However the actual idea has existed for decades and has nothing to do with UFO's and such. Kind of ignorant on your part, when Ancient Civilizations speak of visitors from the Sky, until we know who that was, it'd be stupid to rule it out. We are finding more and more evidence of Ancient "unknown" civilzations with incredible stories and artifacts, some way beyond their time.

[@HH-ru4bj]

The only suspicious part of the iron hammer is the current owner won't allow testing.

[@xiro6]

that bird or airplane looks a lot like a fish to me.

[@vonn4017]

maybe a flying fish

[@goodstormsgames9744]

Fishing weights.

[@UteChewb]

Makes me think that maybe they were models of paper aeroplanes. Doesn't require great technology, merely a foldable material and the intuition that such a thing could glide.

[@Croezti]

They do have al the charasteristics of fish living in the region the hoard has been found. Of the kind of fish that stick to the side of an aquarium. Al other pieces in the hoard look like other animals from the area.

[@ObatongoSensei]

It's definitely a flying fish, though very abstract and missing the belly details, since it seems to me that those objects were made to lay flat on something. The real fish has a vertical tail fin which is twice as long in the lower portion than it is in the upper portion, which is the only one depicted in those objects.

[@patrickgrounds2157]

The Eniac was strongly based on the the world's first valve computer designed by Alan Turing and built in Bletchley park during WW2. Please fact check.

[@huw3851]

Yeah, should have said something like ".. according to most AMERICAN sources ENIAC was the first ..".

[@ABrit-bt6ce]

"Acording to American sources it was the first non secret American computer." Should probably be his line.

[@merctos7933]

When I look I see eniac at 1943 and his at 1945 what did I miss?

[@Adjuni]

@@merctos7933 You swapped them. ENIaC was completed in 1945. Turings Colossus computers were built and completed between 1943 and 1945. While ENIaC was unveiled to the public in '46. The original Colossus computers were destroyed in the 60's and declassified in the mid-70's.

[@micahphilson]

There are several arguable computers before even that, and depending on your definition, even ancient. But what the writer meant is that ENIAC was the first modern-style computer using vacuum tubes and electricity.

[@janedoe186]

the Quimbaya "aircraft" look like flying fish to me, they have been around for 200+ million years, how is this such a mystery?

[@OddgitTheGreat]

Right? immediately thought of flying fish. A quick google search links them to flying fish.

[@Therealestrunnerluda]

Except there's no flying fish there

[@janedoe186]

@@Therealestrunnerluda there are no flying fish in the pacific ocean? ok dude

[@Akm72]

I was thinking they could be kites, it's much easier to believe they'd have invented kites than modern supersonic jet fighters :D

[@ryann5247]

The shroud of Turin is drawn in a fresco in a church in Eastern Europe painted before the date determined by the carbon dating. It is known to be the same shroud in the painting because it has the same fold marks and damage markings on it

[@tomhamilton7511]

The shroud of Turin is the shroud draped over Jacques de Molay during his torture after being taken prisoner by Phillip the IV, after which ended with him being burned at the stake. That is the best guess given it’s age.

[@philippenachtergal6077]

10:22 It's represents a local fish. When you see the two together, one is quite reasonably a stylized representation of the other.

[@davidbellamy2612]

I recommend looking at Ancient Aliens Debunked; a 3 hour documentary made by Chris White who once believed the Ancient Alien myth until he did some proper investigation and found that he had just been intentionally lied to. The "aircraft" hoax is explained in detail.

[@redslate]

"...like those found on 'modern' military aircraft, like the Russian MiG-21..." [Pauses in shock] 'Modern???'

[@hopsta5628]

When talking about historical time periods, the MiG-21 is a "modern" aircraft.

[@redslate]

@@hopsta5628 It's not even look-down, shoot-down capable.

[@kylesmatthews]

FYI this video is unlisted.

[@randomveezerr2582]

Nice

[@willmfrank]

Sideprojects: "Please don't say aliens. Please don't say aliens. Please don't say aliens." Erich von Daniken: "Aliens..." David Childress: "Aliens..." Phil Coppens: "Aliens..." Giorgio Tsoukalos: "Ex'aterrestrials..."

[@emmaf.e.8248]

"It is a bit of a mystery, but it is not aliens" 😂👌🏼

[@fredericrike5974]

The Shroud of Turin alone should rate a Side Projects. There have been many "origin stories" for it- one of them may be true- the weave of the fabric is something British Museums have looked into, and it is distinctive to one time and place, in the 14th Century. Very interesting.

[@Bacopa68]

I think the medieval photograph idea makes the best sense.

[@fredericrike5974]

@@Bacopa68 That is one of the more interesting theories from the "late origin" group. Another is that it was the cloth used when some of the Templars were caught and interrogated by the Inquisition motivated by the King of France. Even the church histories place it's finding in the home of a relative of one of the last Templar commanders. The weave of the fabric was common to heavy cloths being made in the South East of France in the mid to late 14 th century. The wool it is made from is from the same breeds of sheep common on the farms the Templars founded on donated land. It doesn't help that the Catholic Church has long been caught out for using faked artifacts to focus veneration and donation.

[@brandontymkow1182]

The cloth is older that 14th century for sure. Check out "pray manuscript"

[@fredericrike5974]

@@brandontymkow1182 To the best of my knowledge there have been three different radioisotope tests done, by different labs- the most recent two were done simultaneously and both were 1250- 1325. I'm not a nuclear physicist nor a church scholar- I'm regurgitating facts I read along with their recounting of known facts. The authors were Butler and Knight, following a line of Masonic lore and trying to locate the more solid facts- their assertion was that this was the cloth Jaques de Molay was shrouded in after being tortured in the Paris Commanderie in 1307. According to Church accounts, it was first found in the house of de Molay's niece about 20 years later. the figure on the Shroud is much closer to the six feet of the Grand Master and the injuries dipicted- separted shoulder, wound near the ribs and broken hand are the ones from translations of the torture performed by Church trained Inquisitors or that is what we would call them a few years down the line. I am not "sure" of anything, nor do I think Butler and Knight were either- it was presented as fulfilling most of the known facts, not as absolute truth. Since the Shroud's discovery there have been innumerable pieces written claiming it was the absolute burial shroud used at Jesus burial and a lot of other things- any written claiming it is from much before the 14th century seem doubtful after the Weaver's Museum were asked to date the cloth sample in a blind test- they were not aware of the sample's origin- and their finding fell within the radioisotope test I mentioned above. FR

[@brandontymkow1182]

@@fredericrike5974 Even if it was true that another test was done, the piece would have been taken from the allowed cuts from the STURP team. That would mean the samples are tainted by patchwork. As far as the death of Molay, the man in the Shroud has been crucified, there is no way Inquisitors would do that. Masonic stories are BS to lend credence and importance to Freemasonry. Similar to a Rapper calling himself "MC Awesome". Weaver's museum? www.shroud.com/pdfs/histsupt.pdf

[@Scotian280]

The flying toy things are not a mystery.. they look almost identical (with some embellishments) to types of fish that were common in the area. Its been in loads of documentaries.

[@nicholasbrassard3512]

Huh, fish, that's a fair point :p

[@MalcIgg]

fish with both a verticle 'tail fin' and broad horizontal 'wings' - nudge me in the detection of a documentary or article I can read -- thanks

[@Scotian280]

@@MalcIgg I'm trying to search with google but not finding what I watched before.. but regardless, if you look at all of them together, (not just the cherry-picked ones that look similar to flying machines) you can see they are an array of animals (mainly fish) and flying insects with some of them just going a bit over the top with their adornments. Only a couple of them look really aircraft like, most of them look like other things or have features that are very un-aerodynamic.

[@dudepool7530]

@@Scotian280 it's nigh impossible to find any real information on them thanks to all the conspiracy crap...

[@Scotian280]

@@dudepool7530 yeah. All the historical evidence/reports is drowned out by all the crap. And they only focus on the one or two that are actually slightly aircraft like and ignore all the others.

[@kevinconrad6156]

Flying fish. Look just like that, just saying.

[@TheHikeChoseMe]

yup, you are exactly right

[@cenalanier6703]

Update your info. About the testing of the shroud. It was only sent to one person to test the material and he only took sample from one area, an area where the shroud was repaired in the time to which dated. Since then so much more scientific work has been completed. Very intriguing results. Even Polin specialists have weighed in.

[@jonathonbrown8522]

The uranium conundrum is especially interesting. That a sustained fissile nuclear reaction was occurring completely naturally is wild.

[@jbrisby]

How do you do a segment on the Shroud without mentioning that Joe Nickell successfully made a duplicate with all the mysterious features of the original, and did it with stuff around the medieval house?

[@julianmarsh1378]

I wouldn''t believe much from the 14th century....people back then were buying skulls of John the Baptist...as a child...and vials supposedly containing milk from the Virgin Mary...

[@PantheraOnca60]

It wasn't a duplicate. A duplicate would exactly reproduce the image in such a way that it would present the same characteristics down to the microscopic level. The wealth of evidence that supports the Shroud's authenticity is never addressed by skeptics. Instead, one or two aspects, usually superficial, are brought up and previous skeptics' arguments, ready repeatedly refuted, are simply recycled.

[@caseytwill]

Nobody ever addresses how the shroud has the image of the typical white European Jesus and not the actual middle eastern Jesus

[@dom85ross]

@@caseytwill you can’t tell race from the shroud

[@dom85ross]

@@caseytwill look at 5:15

[@EvanONS1]

The Quimbaya probably made their planes out of paperlike products, correctly thought they were very very cool, and made some decorative ones out of gold.

[@JessieHTX]

When I was a kid in the early '90s, my family visited Dinosaur Valley State Park in Glen Rose. On our way out, we saw the Creation Museum and decided to check it out. My father said to hold any laughter or comments till we were back in the car, because we were guests here. We grew up agnostic and with a love of science. That was a fun conversation going home. I kind of want to ask my now extremely Christian brother if he agrees with some of that "evidence" we saw.

[@herrakaarme]

It was very polite of you not to laugh in the museum. After all, it's not like the creationists want to be like that. They can't help it: They were created to be like that.

[@sailorarwen6101]

There’s plenty of archeological evidence events in the Bible occurred. With God, my friends, you would have no science to learn about. Science and Christianity aren’t mutually exclusive

[@TheRevering]

Oh you are so wise! 😴

[@Solus5048]

I came here for Mjolnir...was very dissapointed it could be easily explained.. Damn you smart ppl

[@mattanderson5627]

You missed the part where the hammers wooden shaft has petrified and begun to turn to coal, which takes millions of years and the actual reason it's considered "out of place".

[@fafski1199]

Except the handle has never been tested to be proved that its coal, like the creationist's claim it is. In fact it's has never been independently tested or has been carbon dated. The current "creationist" owner simply refuses to have the handle tested (I wonder why, that is?). Maybe it's because most expects also suspect that the handle's "stone like" appearance, is all due to limestone petrification (calcification). That's where limestone rich water would have perminated into the sodden wooden handle, over years, causing the minerals carried by the water, to deposit inside the handle, giving it a stone like appearance. Which also very much like the process of limestone concretion layers, that formed around the hammer. BTW, the "stone" it was encased in, was initially reported to be found on a wet ledge, right beside a slow flowing waterfall, in a very rich area of limestone. Which sounds just like the right conditions for a petrification well, too me. We know, that calcification and concretion of objects, can occur in as little as just a few years or decades, when under the right conditions. Petrification wells like Mother Shiptons Cave and Matlock Baths in the UK, are tourist attractions, where you can actually see this process happening. Also, the hammer just so happens to look like the style of "mining hammer's", commonly found in the US, throughout the early 1800's. The head of the hammer was also measured to be precisely 6 inches long, by 1½" inches in diameter at the shaft and 1" inch diameter at it's head. "Inches" as a form of measurement, only came about in the 14th Century (it's not an ancient measurement). It's iron head also when tested for carbon type and composition, was determined to have be forged from a "coke" furnace and not from a coal or wood fueled furnace. Again, coke has only used been used in forging metals, since the 11th century onwards. As for it not rusting, since it's discovery. Most iron objects won't rust very much at all, when in a dry, low humidity environment. Which is pretty much what you'd expect from an iron object, when it's been stored wrapped in paper, inside a drawer for years or even inside of a display case, in a museum in Texas.

[@Laura-S196]

The metal toys look like flying fish.

[@6ThaPsycho]

History Channel: Trying to pawn an Ancient Artifact, huh? Hang on, I gotta an Alien who knows why more than me, his shop is right down the street, let me give it a call, and while you wait, how bout u look around the shop and maybe buy something

[@greatbingus]

Chumlee walks in as the alien

[@mikieswart]

“best i can do is fifty bucks”

[@annohalloran6020]

“There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy...”

[@frankgesuele6298]

The Bard has spoken.

[@PreparedOverlander]

I still get a kick out of how scientists of today love to say how scientists from yesterday and beyond were wrong about things, but never can see how they can ever be wrong about their conclusion's made today.

[@chrisanderson7820]

It's called evidence and the scientific method, evidence based theories are considered sound until other actual evidence shows they are incomplete or incorrect. Claims by mad people on 4-chan don't usually outweigh the assembled evidence of most standing scientific theories. If you want to say XYZ is incorrect that's fine but then the onus is on you to provide reproducible data showing the alternative. Also, incomplete does not necessarily mean completely incorrect.

[@PreparedOverlander]

@@chrisanderson7820 Theories are what smart people call a guess. I dont troll 4 chan either, but it sound like you do. I am not mad, I just dont care what they say anymore. I am really tired of the "settled science" crowd. When I went through all my science classes in high school and college, none of the science was settled, but today it seems to be. That tells me they are more interested in agendas than actually finding the truth about things.

[@paulcollyer801]

I watched a documentary on the carbon dating of the Shroud Of Turin, and they covered the fact that all three samples came from a repaired area that looks to have been weaved in /darned on to replace missing cloth as a result of the fire.

[@randysmith5435]

Like most addicts you will believe anything that supports your addiction.

[@timothyblazer1749]

I watched one too, and the blood was analyzed and came back as animal blood.

[@Gutslinger]

@@randysmith5435 Weak coping argument, bud. Lol

[@Gutslinger]

@@timothyblazer1749 Which one was that?

[@kevinzrenda8753]

@@Gutslinger regardless of the authenticity, you should offer facts instead of simple emotional responses. It is clear that parts of the shroud on the edges were repaired by experts in the middle ages-- you can see the cloth changes and pattern changes. Watch the scientists who studied it speak on it-- they actually offer evidence on both sides (regarding the dating), with some saying it could be from the 1st century--- but none claim as scientists that it is "definitely" Christ. But they certainly offer evidence, not simply dismissive on either side.