Project Management: Getting a PM Job (With no Experience)

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If you're trying to start your PM career and are having trouble figuring out what to do, this video is for you.
In this video I reveal two ways to land that first PM job, no experience required.

[@WishfulJirachi]

Info starts at 4:36

[@Mrs_ToniChilds]

Thank you lol

[@k.chanteadams4619]

Thanks

[@JMasalle]

Phew! Thanks!

[@tonywilliams4410]

Thank You!

[@kantasisg]

4.5 minutes of fluff

[@benj1236]

*This is on point. I also became a project manager by simply taking the initiative and doing jobs people didn't want.*

[@jesussalazar9879]

Hi Ben! I was wondering if you could help me telling me where or how did you applied to those jobs, I know that is not a job in specific I was just wondering where I should apply since I am struggling with that, I even couldnt land a job as a Virtual Assistant, thanks.

[@Angelcake1371]

@@jesussalazar9879 Were you able to figure it out and if so could you help me? How did you do it?

[@damanthakur8889]

How did you get your entry level job?

[@ovidiuboghean6852]

Option A: the small company I think is the best to learn by doing not by looking

[@frieshania]

Same here

[@davidsekanic7636]

Both options sound good. I'm not afraid of taking a step down to take a step up.

[@dianereynolds6754]

Your video was a God sent. I have been working with staffing agencies for 4 years full-time doing administrative/clerical tasks. Before listening to your video, I was worried that I have been wasting time and not taking my career-path serious. Temping has connected me with large and small organizations and given me the opportunities to work with experienced and smart people. The assignments given to me by the staffing agencies were about the same. The projects were very large, neglected, and time consuming -but were important to the client's long-term success. Many of these projects were considered by many as boring and repetitive. The experience I gained from past temp assignments helped me to successfully complete other projects and to think like a Project Manager . I am now interested in learning more about Project Management and getting a CAPM certification. Your video was on point.

[@gerardogarcia3532]

I found myself unmotivated after being rejected for multiple jobs in the covid era. This video is very valuable if you're seeking to get a nuanced perspective on how to get into project management. Thank you for all that vital information.

[@zemog3776]

Did you get a job?

[@hu3m4n90]

HR is the problem, it has dumb people with egos filtering IT guys.

[@jpa_]

I am graduating in September with a degree in entrepreneurship. I’d like to get into PM, and I’ve seen a lot of similarities between entrepreneurship and PM. As someone who enjoys being chucked in the deep end and proving myself the small company option appeals to me. Really enjoyed the video, especially you’re openness with your story

[@Azianiceboy]

Hello Jason, I am currently working at a 120+ person MSP as part of a drastic career change. I have spent over 16+ years in various retail management roles and when given the opportunity to make a career change by a former colleague; I jumped at the opportunity. What you said in this video really rings true, especially the imposter syndrome. I am going through my current role and attempting to not be frustrated day by day, but as a contingency plan, I am glad to know that there are junior roles I can apply my experience to. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.

[@abchamp9857]

Hi Jason, I am so excited to start in this field as my second career. I do not have formal experience and was hired this week as a part-time PM intern with a large organization. It is a step back for me, but so worth it in my opinion. Bummed I didn't make your beta team as I found your video too late.

[@catherineballard6643]

I think I would like to go for Option A - small company. I like the idea of helping people make their dreams happen!

[@-AGB-]

I recently completed my undergrad and I’m hoping to go with Option B. I got introduced to PM through a sales internship I did with a smaller company. I’ve seen how stressful wearing multiple hats can be. I’m hoping to land an Associate PM role with a larger company, getting that direct first hand experience would be amazing for me. Thank you for this video!!

[@AJ-sw5hx]

It is helpful.. I am on the stage of starting my career in project management.. I was confused which one to choose. Now I can start by going to small company to work with

[@nr6885]

I am trying to return to the field after having been out for (too) many years. Not easy. I went your route and started in a small center-like place and -- got hit by covid. Now I am trying again, -as you mentioned- either to get into a PMO or another smaller company where I can make myself useful. I love project management, love the entire process of helping people deal with the change. I had great teachers, one like you: self-starter who went into IT with zero degrees and made it there to become a great personable PM and mentor. I so hope, things will work out soon. At least, you confirmed my job-search strategy-which is great. Also trying the certification thing to update my knowledge. But I am so ready... Thank you heaps for sharing your experience.

[@anaelicortinas323]

I have been working as an human resource admin for several years, but have been too afraid to apply for a managerial position. The lack of not being promoted to manager or even assistant manager, has kept me in the shadows. I want to thank you for this video. It has provide great directions for me and ways to get my foot in the door. I really appreciate this. Great video!

[@jihollow]

hey everyone, just starting my project management career after a 13 year of data/business analysis. Just stumbled upon this video series and am really looking forward to it!!! I'll have see how I can find this masterclass

[@larakeller8359]

After a professional career of 8+ years in both science and sales and being very confused as to what I could do that involved the thrill of organizing groups to get stuff done, I came across your PM videos. These have seriously hit the nail on the head and really clarified what I need to do, so thank you!

[@PMPerspective]

Awesome! Always happy to recruit new folks into the field. I'm curious, what kind of science were you involved in and what did you sell?

[@larakeller8359]

I work in analytical chemistry. My background has been mostly material science and now recently supervising a lab in the wine industry. I sold laboratory physical sample preparation equipment; Things like precision saws, polishers, automated mills, as well as hardness testers and microscopes. I was actually really good at it but had no life traveling 75% across 6 states. No regrets, just wanting to now put myself into a position where I can love what I do and have a personal life.

[@PMPerspective]

Awesome! PMs come from diverse backgrounds. The best PMs have technical knowledge AND people skills. It's not a job for everyone. I would imagine that you honed your people skills as a salesperson, which is great. I'm going to be honest and say that for a very long time, I was not very good at maintaining a work-life balance. That is a skill I'm working on now. So a shift to PM isn't necessarily a guarantee that you'll get your life back. But, perhaps, achieving that balance is something we can explore together. I plan to focus on balance a lot this year in my content.

[@gerardoarias989]

listening to your video inspired me. It didn't discouraged me, but inspired me to take the next step on getting my CAPM. God willing willing I'll have it on 2022 or before. Thank you so much! I can sense your humility and care for others!

[@vedangg]

I cleared it last month, and my advice would be don't take much time for preparation, I mean months and months. I just read and watched videos for 2-3 weeks. I understand everyone takes different amount of preparation but once you get the main idea about CAPM or rather project management, it's not that hard. Spending a year for it will only make you more tensed and lower your confidence.

[@nancybautista1797]

You are inspiring me so much. I so badly want to be a PM and eventually build my own company of whatever life takes my interest to. Thank you so much for this information.

[@anathidlakavu2309]

I'm about to apply for a project manager job and this video gave me enough information and confidence ❤❤❤. Thank you, I'm grateful

[@harlandelarosa1144]

Thank you for your sharing story. I'm 26 and still don't what career to take. Right now I want to try Junior PM in my current company because I believed that it will help me a lot as a person and employee. I'm afraid that I may not be good at this because like you I'm a shy who didn't like to talk with other people. But as you said I need to do this and broke out my shell.

[@tanyakilpatrick9204]

THANK YOU. I'm at a crucial point in my life and your videos are extremely helpful.

[@niksprojects]

If anyone is looking to get in to project management space, most of the bigger organization is adopting agile methodologies these days and lot of smaller or medium size companies does agile very well due to small size and co-located team. So I would add that the third option is to understand agile and start applying for scrum master opportunities.

[@op8ztv]

Is "agile" the name of a program or skill set? I'm confused

[@ChefDinon]

@@op8ztv it is a SDLC methodology...you can google it

[@op8ztv]

@@ChefDinon I figured it out, I just started my PM course when I left this comment haha...how far I've come.

[@ChefDinon]

@@op8ztv 😁😁 progress...im happy to hear that

[@anotherchris4]

Very great to know all of this as I work at a large company and did an interview for a Launch Manager but did not get it as I did not have a list of projects I had done as I have been in a job for the last eight years that is phone support. I am studying to get my PMP by June of 2020. I feel the positions mentioned today will help me as would a smaller company to progress. Project Admin, Project Analyst, or Project Control Officer sounds like a good first step. Thanks for this advice. It is very valuable.

[@RanjithKumar-cm4tp]

This is the exact strategy i am following right now.

[@MrJbrowwn]

I started off with a small company that grew to a large organization. I am seeking a small organization again. I miss the family environment!

[@ilovecheesecake516]

Did the larger company pay more?

[@angie20de06]

Option B - large company. As you said, there's so much knowledge one can get by working with really experienced people. I've started my career as a worksite manager assistant right after college in a multinational company and I see the difference between my behaviour and some of my fellow colleagues that got into smaller/fresher companies. The work environment is usually tougher in large companies, but doesn't that endure you? Anyways, great video, thanks for sharing!

[@jamesdix3514]

I'm just so happy to run across this video. I subscribed 1 minute into it.

[@Itsme_1648]

I’m a technical writer and I’m exploring my options for career paths. Project management seems like something I could possibly get into! Thanks for the information!

[@elyserabb8098]

Very helpful information. I am looking to break into a formal career in PM, and this video provided very good ideas that have sparked inspiration.

[@faridalhadi6528]

I also had a lucrative career in sales, looking for a change. This video helped, thanks.

[@theehizojiefirm6542]

Really valuable information. Starting out at a small company seems most appealing, gives an opportunity to do more in a short time.

[@garyfloren2791]

This is actually what I am doing now.... and they re on board with what you are saying...... He just graduated fron Guelph University so they are on the same level as you .... Well done

[@Star-pu7qw]

Hi Jason. Thanks for your time. option B sounds good to me

[@mufreddinchoudhury3043]

Great story. You demonstrated grit and resilience. Qualities many people would love to develop.

[@darza6968]

Really great experience and very motivating thank you

[@raj65350]

Agreed with Plan B to understand PM better from the basics.

[@SgtMajKong]

Jason, Thank you again for the great information. I am making a career change and I will be going with option B. I am a retired Marine and I have been in the information Management industry for two years. During this time i have been apart of mulitple It projects and after watching your video on the traits to have for project management. (sorry i don't remember the title of teh video) I have decided to start a career in PM. Just wanted to help the channel out more by leaving a coment as well. Thanks agian for the information.

[@dellkeyur]

I think the first option of getting your self into a small organization and drive your carrier the way you want.. it can be stressful initially but you will learn a lot.. because all off the thing to be managed.. they will have to be managed by you only.. 👍

[@kendra516178]

I had a interview last week for a PM position and just got notice today for another PM interview.

[@hotshottruckingtrainingcou9645]

Thank you sooo much for sharing your story in detail. Very encouraging! Also, thanks for giving perspective to the CAPM.

[@ahmadnidal8264]

My choice: option (B) For option (A) i think you need a little of luck to find small company with big ambition

[@missrena85]

I am open to both of these entry paths. I've worked at a small company that was open to growth but unfortunately it shut down. Now I work at a large company and I studied for my CAPM through them and am being re-reimbursed for my test. I am applying for project management roles now because the role I am in is a lower role that I took to get in with the company.

[@scottappolon2085]

Did you get the job?

[@missrena85]

@@scottappolon2085 I haven't gotten a role yet, but I have interviewed for a few positions and have been in the top candidates

[@scottappolon2085]

@@missrena85 Ok. So would you recommend someone to pursue what you're doing? Do you feel optimistic?

[@beewear122]

@@scottappolon2085 👀

[@mohamedelhag7778]

Such an awesome man ... kept a big smile on my face for 19 minutes. great video 👍

[@taltezy2941]

Good story. Your story reminds me of myself in how I got started into the Project Management field.

[@santoreknight]

This is very helpful, thanks for the tips, I basically have gone through the same working path with experience in almost every different retail shops and so on and looking to get in PM which could be a gathering of many experience

[@bunburychic9755]

Cool, seems like you're an OC local. I started PM by accident. I applied for a job which title was Project Manager, but I was actually a Contract Manager. Anyway, long story short, I got a semester class for PM and started looking for PM jobs. Now I'm actually doing PM work. Still learning on KZbin etc. I do not have my PMP certification.

[@n14cummins262262]

Hi bunburychic sorry to comment on here ...I read ur comment n intrest me ...i bn following this videos ...am in process to do a career change n am intrested in bn project manager just don't kno where to start wud u b able to direct me to a start 😏😏😏😏

[@jmariah6222]

Same here I fell into it by accident now I'm intrigued

[@departfromevil2000]

This was really helpful because I am making a career switch and have no experience and getting my Masters in IT Management and getting the PMP and have no experience, I like the large corporations route but I could do the small business too

[@StarStar-tj6ox]

Thank you for this video! Great share, I can relate to the varied work exp....I think I found what I wanna do. I'm working with a small startup now as an event planner. I think PM is what I wanna grow into.

[@Jamusictv]

I needed to hear this....I just got a Masters in IT Project Management and trying to switch my career....No one wants to hire me, 400 resumes sent out...... Thanks!

[@afuaowusu6730]

Joe Alvarez keep the faith! Something will land!

[@James-mr5kb]

Hey I know it was a year ago that you said you were trying to switch to project management even after 400 resumes sent out....did you ever get hired or did you move into a different role? Or settle for a lower position?

[@meenamourya1358]

I came across the video at the very right time of my career. I was actually looking for the same bit of info. This has definitely helped to shape my career.thanks

[@HelloDarling73]

Well awesome, I'm a social worker and even the entry level is more than I make now , Woot!

[@paulamutesi]

Thank u for this video. I am going for my 1st CAPM course 👍🏽👍🏽

[@abdulqadim6041]

Having just begun my search for a junior role in project management I can firmly say that this video provided some excellent insight into navigating through it all. In respect of the question raised; small company (

[@Escape628]

Great advice . What prior experience have you gained in you career thus far in order to be prepared for the junior role. Or is prior experience unnecessary to get that entry level experience? Thanks

[@seangraves2039]

I am currently in the military but am highly interested in becoming a pm. I am getting a capm cert and working towards my bachelors in business. I am trying to do this when I get out in 3 years. The starting with a smaller company seems exciting to me!

[@ramelanprakoso84]

this motivative me. same like you my career basicly technical guy. I had even take ccie exam, eventhought I failed. at the moment, I do all company need, took the project, solve problem, contact the vendor and so on. and right now I'am formally a PM in small company and want to take pmp exam

[@krzysztoforlikowski68]

Hi Jason, I'm really encouraged by listening to the story of your career change. I feel like I'm in similar situation as you've been working for a temp agency after losing a well-paid job. For some time I was trying to understand what professional path to choose based on my strengths and what I really enjoy doing. I'm working for a national retail company in the UK and even before getting my current junior manager position in logistics I was drawn to every project dealing with making changes and improving things. I'm extremely passionate about making a difference in that company and bringing to the table my experience and unique perspective. Until watching your first video I wasn't sure if PM would be a good framework to put myself in. After listening to the qualities you believe are essential for the PM role I've decided to do my best to get into that position eventually. I'll try to execute option B in the first place but if my current employer will not be flexible enough then I'm determined to try different one or even try route A (small company). Thank you a lot for your efforts to help people like me and I'm diving into the rest of your youtube content.

[@TartYvonne]

Nice video! I went with a first option. Now I am trying to go from a PM position in a small foundation to the position of Junior PM in It field. Regards from Europe.

[@Asb2-72gl-x58d]

This is genuine content! Thank you!

[@JanaPolakovicova]

Started as a PM in a small company..now working in a bigger corporation in mid Europe, I DEFINATELLY recommend the first option (If you are that lucky). The experience you get in a small company is indispensable.. However, it might be more dificult, to switch in between large and small companies.. you can always go: 1. PM in small company, 2. PM junior in lager company and then get promoted to senior. (Funny fact.. mid senior PMs in central europe.. (around 30K - 40 K...).. really senior ones.. around 50K ... )

[@weliketravelsweliketravels7543]

..great insight to my will for a career change to Project management. Both options seem great. I would have preferred starting entry level with a big company, but in my country's economy getting into small companies is more feasible. but whichever what, stepping down to step up is the approach.

[@orise5460]

Good resource! At this point in my career, the second option will be a more viable option.

[@amanvermal]

Thanks for the advice, these has been really helpful

[@ihaka439]

Good content. I was a bit distracted by your top button not lining up. The trick is to start with top bottons rather than the bottom. Your welcome.

[@malikbrandson5747]

ihaka Hearty haha, is anyone else based in the uk?

[@jmbgass.3712]

Both options are good but i love the take a step down to take a step up....quite a helpful video.. thanks.

[@earthmoon003]

This was a great video to give me guidance on how I can enter the PM field. Thank you for sharing your story, especially about temp agencies. I've used them successfully in the past and was wondering if it would be a good option to start a PM career.

[@rohitlanjewar8580]

I recently completed my masters in MBA and joined a small company as PM with no experience. I was not sure if I am walking through a right path or not though thanks for the information I guess I am on a right path.

[@frieshania]

How has it been going??

[@redfacevapes5576]

Thanks for the information, I'm looking to change careers and I've been down the same rabbit hole of having to work menial jobs. I have a friend that might be able to get me in the door as a PM so I'm doing some research. Thanks again!

[@zelloresharrison7035]

i'm in the same boat as yourself. I have been an Executive Admin for over 20 + years. Received my Bachelor's in Business Administration in 2014 and work as an Admin is really getting boring and most days my job is slow, so I am not utilizing or learning any new skills. Everyone tells me by looking at my resume I should go into the field of PM...so like yourself I am researching I do possess certain skills and knowledge but no formally training or experience in the field itself. Good luck on your new career move

[@zeyeforfashionandbeauty6791]

Thank you so much. Great valuable informations.

[@nidhijaroy]

Thank you for the amazing videos. I'm also a newbie whose starting out in this field and your videos are very insightful.

[@skorpianking73]

Great story this video has really helped me define a career goal and solidify what I want. Thank you for sharing. It sucks that I missed your class I think I would have really enjoyed it!

[@lonewolfkris]

Thanks for sharing your experience for free! Trying to switch from operations to project management myself

[@PMPerspective]

Best of luck in your transition to project management. Let me know what issues are top of mind for you as you dive into the world of project management and I'll be sure to make some videos relevant to your situation.

[@davidscottharvey7774]

I'm PMP certified and have years of Project management in the military and construction. I'm trying to change fields for Project management but struggling because of being stereotyped as a Construction worker. Any thoughts on how to change industries?

[@nick55ification]

you are genuine and awesome man

[@sjtanman]

I got my first PM job because the guy who owns the company is a good friend.. but I do have 35 years in sales.

[@TK-hr8tb]

Option B! Thanks for the Info.

[@amitpandita8105]

Hello I am from India, and really like what you shared, and i am also looking for change in carrier

[@parinazkhatib5975]

This is very helpful. Both options sound good to me. I really appreciate it.

[@PMPerspective]

You're very welcome!

[@lionking6622]

سلام خوبی 😃

[@TheKimregina]

I'm currently in the option A route. Got a Customer Experience Manager role and will have to eventually build a team and processes.. lots of project :)

[@carolinamagda1116]

I would opt for a large company... It might really be interesting to look how another PM a doing their jobs, maybe motivating me for more!

[@sixsigmamania]

Carolina, observing others performing their work and learn from them is great approach. It works for me and I recommend to others too. Asking for Mentoring is other option too. We have regular weekly meetings sharing experiences and learning from each other. Does this helped?

[@AlexVera729]

Why haven’t you done more videos ?

[@felipeluna.]

I am going to endeavor in the A option, I will give it my best

[@sebastianakasebs]

Thank you, I found all this information very valuable

[@yvonnemaloy5072]

This video was awesome😀. I am interested im either one but I feel I do better with a smaller org because I have had a mentor in retail that helped me better myself. I am not afraid to take initiative, I am teacheable. I love being around people who are willing to help me grow and see my potential and I am most certainly a team player. I am in the mist of job hopping but trying to find the organization where I can grow into my project experience.

[@Thewiseone1993]

Hi Jason, This was a really informative and interesting video to watch, thank you for taking your time and doing this. I strongly believe that option number one is more appealing to me and this is the route that I wanna take to launch my construction management career, and yes I do want to take my CAPM and combine that with my college AS degree in building construction, once again thank you.

[@LuisEmilio91]

I’m currently looking to get into a PMO or Project Manager role. I have been in the healthcare field for 13 years with the last five being in a leadership position. Although Project Manager was not my official title, I oversaw many projects and in April 2022 I sat for PMP exam with PMI after documenting 5 years of project management duties and I passed on the first try. I hold certifications in Lean Six Sigma as well and when I interview for PM roles they have been going great but choose to go with PM’s with more experience. Any advice you can give on breaking in?

[@delphinearinze2958]

Very good. Encouraging way to start

[@LouisianaPyro93]

I would go with the bigger company option

[@rahelehghasabzadeh9844]

Thanks. Really appreciate your video. I got all my answers. Thanks

[@daria.b.k]

Thanks a lot for sharing! Your story reinforces me that I am not alone with my zig-zag path and that I am actually doing OK. I think that how I joined a growing company as PM support, did some SW testing then decided I wanna be a PM differs only a tiny bit. Now I have relocated to another country and I am reflecting which way to go next :) I have a question though, when relocating regionally, should I consider this as a step back at the 3rd year of PMing?

[@keepinitrealforgood]

great vid , awesome advice & lovely personality! 10/10

[@amauryperalta4364]

Excellent info. Im going to chose option A.

[@joeylopezdesign]

something I see too often is the inverse opposite issue with project management, myself and other leaders become tasked with a responsibility, something recurring annually, maybe a huge event, something with a sizeable budget, predictable but different each time, we don't have the skills for project management as much as we have coping skills and learning from our mistakes - we seek out someone to promote from within, and no one ever wants to step up or down or sideways into project management - it's like at every company I've ever worked for everyone avoids it like the plague and people get 'stuck' with the title. I envy those that WANT the title, where are you, people?! How should a company turn such a need into a hireable position from outside - when they always want to promote from within but no one is willing, and those that do interview seem reticent to do something they're unfamiliar with without a long training. I come looking for insights in finding the right kind of people to hire who won't wait around for parameters to follow from previous projects but think creatively and research their asses off to find new solutions we didn't think of. WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE?!

[@9birdstyle]

Really good advice. Thank you

[@Br4ndonxJx]

Thank you for the info.

[@TomTomTuning]

Another insightful video, Jason. I've worked for a large fortune 100 company for a very long time. I see the benefits of having that structure and ability to take on many mentors. However, I would absolutely LOVE to work for a smaller start-up where there is a "family" atmosphere. Being able to work directly with owners and upper management, and perhaps making direct impact in the business is incredibly beneficial. I could go either way, but option A may be my next step.

[@PMPerspective]

Hey Tom, great to see you back on the channel! :-) Yeah, starting out in that smaller environment really worked out well for me. When I think back on it now, I wouldn't change a thing. It gave me an opportunity to wear many hats and really, truly "own" many things. You just don't get that with the larger companies. But, like I said, there's benefits to both.

[@theworldspirit3970]

Really great information for the career change, I am about to move into PMO. I will be giving an interview for this role on 5th December 2019.

[@StRaWbeRrYsasha]

I loved the video and the insigntful honest material you offered. It will be very useful in my career endeavours.

[@WithThePowerOf2]

I started as contracting "option A", and am now looking for a local PM to come join me in building out my startup agency dedicated to helping small business owners with their brand development and ongoing brand management goals. In other words, I'm looking for a motivated person looking for their own "option a" possibility.

[@tinajoyce3098]

Back2Basics, LLC Did you ever find this person. Your local PM? Where are you located? This would an amazing opportunity for me to get my foot in the door

[@XFiorentti]

I started as a Project manager about 13 years ago and started out at $65K in New Jersey

[@k.chanteadams4619]

Please help me out I live in London

[@pradhirp1636]

I'm a fresher from India just completed my master in construction project how can i find job in USA ?

[@nagms02]

@@pradhirp1636 Couple of different routes to reach USA 1. Find a company who can sponsor your H1b( work visa). 2. Go for second master degree from any of university in USA ,(you need to write GRE, TOEFL etc). After degree from USA you will have 3 years of OPT, that is enough for you to find decent job. 3. Marry an US citizen , move to USA on spouse visa.

[@cool_cat6698]

I'm lucky to be sitting in option B right now. After 4 years in Finance, I decided to switch jobs and I am now a Project Control analyst, hoping to become an associate project manager within 1 year or 2. I'm lucky to be surrounded by very competent people, so I have to take this opportunity to learn the most from them! I'm starting in option B, but after a couple years I'd like to work for a smaller company, as I feel this the place where you get the most experience from. Does anyone have experience working as freelance PM? Please share if yes! Cheers!

[@kinggamingfire2141]

Thanks a lot to you for giving very useful information to us and sharing your own experiences. It's amazing. 🙏🏻