Our Biggest Art Mistakes - Draftsmen S1E03

[@ProkoTV]

What’s the biggest art/career mistake you’ve made? Let us know, make it public, so the Trolls can make fun of you ;)

[@boohoo334]

Proko my biggest mistake was only getting into it now.

[@nicepasta565]

Not practicing enough

[@prasanth93]

In my case fear and low-self esteem. Artists should take care of them and watch them carefully and move forward.

[@yohenson]

Not believing in thyself.

[@CashWiley]

Waiting until I was 46 to learn to draw. No regrets, happy to have found a new muse (I was a musician in my youth).

[@katiekirschner6917]

Marshall is like your supportive dad who's really excited about whatever you're into and Stan is your snarky little brother.

[@unkrautgartenkeinnachname237]

that's deep man

[@garsam]

Yeah, that's pretty spot on

[@444luxray444]

wish my dad was as supportive as Marshall :/

[@buck3401]

@@444luxray444 same :|

[@bjaanderson]

Marshall is such a good storyteller.

[@jrg7951]

I agree, I think it would be fantastic to be his student

[@Magicme79]

I was raised to believe that I was too stupid to ever do anything right, so I never went after my dream of studying art. Now I’m almost 40 and I just bought a pack of Proko classes. Screw you, dad!

[@emmi7973]

Iam currently on that point to make that decision. Going to an atelier is expensive but I'm afraid that if I don't do it, I will always regret it :(

[@ngahang8141]

Yes!! Follow your dreams!👊

[@SubNorm4L]

@@emmi7973 Stop buying innecesary stuff for a while and pay for some training. Knowledge is better and you will keep it till the day you die.

[@emaan7023]

Yeah !

[@kamiko8021]

with all due respect i don't think you should blame it on your dad. Its all on you i believe. I'm being raised similarly but I'm still pushing. goodluck

[@Ov3rDoSis]

MARSHAL IS A LEGEND .... his knowledge is crazy and so is stan... THANK YOU FOR BEING SO GIVING GUYS!!!

[@bendinsmore2808]

The biggest mistake I ever made: I believed that I couldn't have a career doing art, so I quit drawing for almost 8 years. It wasn't until I was stressed out at my job that I started drawing again to reduce my stress that I was advised I should start to pursue it seriously.

[@ngahang8141]

That's really awsome! 😊👍

[@xc1971pp]

My mistake, too.

[@seothis640]

Pretty much had the same experience... I checked your Instagram and you've done some really awesome concept stuff! You taking any online courses or just practicing on your own?

[@inkroverts]

You're an idiot!! ... how's that?

[@Bababooey95]

That's kind of my story too, I'm an engineer now and figured I could pursue art as a hobby because I'd have next to an impossible time making money at it with my skill so I stopped too, and now I'm finding that while it's nice helping people in pharmaceutical, corporate is exhausting and I'm less happy.

[@daniellekriner6385]

Marshall reminds me of a few wonderful art teachers I had over the years. A sparkle in his eye when he tells a story, and such passion. Just inspiring on many levels. I LOVE this podcast!

[@gmeliberty]

But Stan, your anatomy course is amazing! I am a physician. I’ve done a cadaver dissection and I “know” human anatomy. But your course taught me how to think about anatomy as an artist, and how to use it that way. It is a treasure.

[@JoeSakana]

The advanced anatomy course is exactly why your channel is so good. It wasn't a mistake; it filled a niche in the market. Tutorials on drawing basics are really easy to come by elsewhere. Anatomy for artists is not, and many people are grateful for it.

[@Naomi-rf1bl]

6:44 no... Stan, that's so rude... This actually broke my heart he was so sad why Stan why

[@sandwich336]

Starting the anatomy course early may be a mistake for you stan, but for me its a blessing. It helped me alot and I thank you for that.

[@jiraiyaapprentice5733]

Same here! The anatomy videos are challenging but awesome

[@CaravenesArt]

Marshall feeling physically pressured while attempting to insult Proko made my whole month a lot better. I love this 😂💖💖💖

[@MrLopez-gb9hq]

I wish proko didnt interrupt as much and let marshal finish his thoughts. He has years and years of experience and wisdom that we wanna hear.

[@saionjisan]

Seems proko is just very excited and he seems to feel so comfortable with marshal that he might not realize that we all want to listen marshal carefully

[@Its.just.mee3]

@@saionjisan true!

[@floridaman_85_58]

Bruuuh

[@tuazulyrojoeljean]

16:00 To be honest, those anatomy videos were what hook me up to Proko, they are so impressive and detailed that I knew I was found something else than the generic ''how to draw'' video, so I clicked subscribe!

[@jakubkacerovsky9566]

This podcast is amazing... I feel overeducated every time. It always motivates me. Keep up the great work!

[@whereaboutsunknown3822]

Stan I am SUPER glad you started with Anatomy. Your anatomy course is one of the best resources out there, and I'm glad we got it early and have it now. I feel like it's easier to find a "basics course" most anywhere, but Anatomy is very hard to learn and yours, I find, is very well explained. So I know you said it would have been better for your business, but for me personally, I'm glad you went the route you did. So thank you!!!!

[@ProkoTV]

Ya I think it's fine either way. I'm very happy with the anatomy course and it turned out good for my business none the less.

[@digitwiz]

It would be cool if the podcast were longer! Closer to the hour mark would be perfect, I think you're both entertaining enough to pull it off. You could add a couple of more segments, or just stretch the ones you have, honestly. You're actually good enough just telling whatever comes to your mind that Marshall could just ramble on and I'd listen to it for hours! Great job and loving the podcast.

[@mgsBicycleO9]

proko stop making fun of marshall!

[@jeremydelagarza8317]

It might not have been good for your business, but I'm glad you made the anatomy course when you did Stan, it has helped me more than any art class I've ever taken. I had such a hard time learning the muscles until you came along, so thank you!

[@jeremydelagarza8317]

Thanks for the lead on the "Heroes and Villains" Course Marshall! Excited to check it out.

[@ArchiduquesaMA]

I love how Stans is a 30 something year old man that feels like a 15 year old when he is with Marshall

[@emikomay]

God I really adore this podcast, your dynamic and chemistry as co-hosts, both of you have such enthusiasm and passion for art and art teaching, and your knowledge and skill are so valuable. Thank you for making this show!

[@reemelrimaly5571]

Marshall you are so cultured, desent and humble.one can learn a lot from you. I like you. Proko you have good sense of humor. I loved the painting behind your chair Proko

[@pjlewisful]

The 2 of you together are dynamite. I love the special humor that happens between you guys. I'm always enlightened & entertained.

[@sirirond1990]

speaking of irony, Marshall started being awful with perspective and anatomy; and after redoing his education, he teaches that to other artists. keep it up, everyone. Also, the kangaroo story is really funny to me because I thought for years that in order to be a good artist you need to master everything, and knowing that that's not true gave me some kind of peace and it was very funny too, so I'm thankful to you proko for your kangaroo, i still think that you are a great teacher and artist

[@sejalb725]

The way you thought about it is so cool! you're really cool!

[@tb8865]

I've seen that weird kangaroo drawing before but i had no idea it was from Proko.

[@JoeSakana]

Marshall has a perfect radio voice. He should do more art podcast stuff.

[@lydieferrand6598]

Can’t agree that anatomy started too soon. It provides understanding about why the human figure looks like it looks. And your videos are so great. Thanks for doing them !

[@cerijeanmangubat7703]

A part of this video is a man trying to encourage a wholesome boi to roast them is the vibe I never knew I needed, thank you.

[@varuntulsyan2558]

Marshall is like the lovable cartoon character who wears the same outfit everyday lol!! Love him!!❤

[@megascopstrichopsis798]

Oh wow Infinite Painter actually does have a lot of features that other drawing apps on iPad simply don't have. The first thing I looked for was whether I could expand or contract my selection, and boom there it was. Thanks for the great suggestion!

[@SerenaMarenco]

Oh, please! You guys make a composition class. It would be great! Oh, and as for the anatomy course. I studied art, in Italy, in a high school of art (an ISA). They didn't teach anatomy, in that school, the most we had was a substitute professor who made us copy an anatomy table of the hand. For years (many years) I tried to learn through manuals, but I had no models to draw, no decent photos, nothing. I used to copy mine by hand and foot. When I discovered the course on yutube I don't exaggerate to say that my life has changed. And it was exactly when I needed it: I had lost my job as an editorial graphic designer (fired because I had fallen ill because of the stress caused by the work) this totally destroyed my confidence in my abilities. Three years ago a friend who works as a comic artist convinced me to go to Lucca Comics (the most important fair in Italy) to show my portfolio to editors. The feedback was positive but I realized that I was absolutely not ready to work as a professional illustrator. I wanted to join the academy but my husband said "Are you kidding me? A friend who teaches at the academy of our city wanted to offer you to teach digital painting!" This, along with a little research on the teachers of that academy made me realize that no, I would not learn anything more than what I already knew, from them. So I started looking on youtube. First I found The Croquis Cafe, which is great for practice but didn't make up for my lack of bases. Then I stumbled upon the video on how to draw the head from various angles. I signed up for the channel, looked at another couple of lessons and visited the site, where I took the course in figure drawing, portrait and anatomy. (I think there was a package that included all three of them) It's been two years and I've improved a lot more than I could have expected. I've also started taking Aaron Blaise's courses and I'm recovering my confidence, bit by bit. In short, I will never thank you enough for having created this course, which is extraordinary and I continue to suggest to everyone.

[@Waynimations]

This series is so fascinating. Tonight has been such a fun night of drawing and working on my animations.

[@PauloEduardoRibeiroMrOdyssey]

One of my new favorite channels in youtube! The chemistry between two is wonderful, a lot of wisdom shared to us all!

[@rolandart5670]

Sheesh Proko, stop interrupting Marshall

[@eme5678]

I understand why you wish you had made the basics course first, but I’m really thankful personally that your anatomy course has been out so long. As a young artist starting out I’ve been able to get a good head start on learning the figure, I wouldn’t be at the level I am without your channel.

[@samtingwong1793]

I really love listening to Marshall, He is great in doing podcast.

[@maxismakingstuff]

Draftsmen... Draftsmale.. DRAFTSMAIL

[@gmindset33]

DraftsMain course

[@gouravdas7557]

I just laughed so hard at the thumbnail. Whoever made this kudos to him/her. Really nailed it.

[@aminferdous4043]

Stan is very lucky to have a friend like Marshall.

[@itstommyrush]

Nobody's perfect, but damn Stan looks good. Side note: Anyone interested in getting a Proko fetus tattoo?

[@lihuel171]

Please don`t stop doing these videos... they give us just a nice half hour of hearing art, when you can`t do it for any reason. Love you guys

[@lihuel171]

PD: those hands Marshall jajajajaja

[@FarlyCreates]

It’s so important to highlight the struggles as well as the achievements and loved Marshall’s story about needing to go back to education. One of my biggest mistakes is not knowing when to stop. My high school art teacher would always say: The marks of an artist are problem solving and knowing when to stop. I look back on some of my pieces and cringe because of how overworked they are! I love Marshall’s voice! He definitely has the voice for voice acting. “I’d sure like to see that kangaroo...” long pause. Silence. Hahaha!

[@ciscoponch67]

Thanks, Stan and Marshall. Great video! Sketchbook Pro is free for iPad. And manga studio is now clip studio paint, but that requires an annual 25.00 subscription fee.

[@Redamthe5th]

I'm so glad I had 4 credits stored on audibles because now I can pick up those lectures for 1 credit. I know what I'm listening to at work for the next week and a half! Thanks Marshall!

[@mauriliodna]

It's never a mistake when you do what you love, Stan! Cheers for both! Great podcast! The segment should call "Art Call" or "Art Calling"

[@ebinjayan]

31 34 , "can u charge the batteries without taking them out" ...wdcowhndocqn that was so adorable

[@stellameep5477]

Hey Stan. It makes sense what you said about the anatomy course, but I’m glad you made it in that order. I found your anatomy course years ago and it was too advanced for me. At that time, I was a high schooler and probably would have never looked at a drawing basics course. I kept it in the back of my head, and now I’m in my 2nd year of art college and using it to supplement my other anatomy courses. You’ve helped me so much. I’m glad I came back to it and had seen it years ago and had strived to be as good as you. ~Stella

[@TheSabuArt]

Oh man, I'm so happy there's a new episode up! I listen to a lot of podcasts and right now this is the only one that makes me really happy when a new one is out, love it guys!

[@StormEngineer]

Stan, there were many materials available in drawing basics already, but there was not a single good one you could access anywhere for anatomy. Yours was the first resource to enable tons of people with no thick wallets to learn about anatomy professionally. Sure, there were books like Bridgman but those books require some foundations, and maybe a teacher to explain them, while your videos are accessible even to those with no prior education.

[@penguin_drive]

Aw man, this immediately goes on my watch later list. Can't wait.

[@kavehtaherian7805]

Marshall Vandruff is a beautiful man. Perhaps even the most beautifulest there ever was...

[@av.9426]

The "Prok-call" segment, Marshall Van-talk Time

[@AdobadoFantastico]

24:45 they had initially given it a different name when they sold it in the US. But the original name was always Clip Studio, from my knowledge.

[@gobuns2]

to think there were people who were able to meet mel blanc... I'd tear thru every social awkwardness and and obstacle to see him. goddamn it.

[@eilidghmacdowell3204]

Yes, the archetypal hero- studied this in grad school many moons ago. Each student took a traditional classic lit and analyzed whether the central character qualified as a hero in one respect or the other, you could make the case that each did- that's what stands the test of time. We identify with the struggle. Great comments here.

[@chloro8306]

Seeing how far Marshall has come from his first commercial job is so inspiring.

[@qtu2442]

Been watching Proko videos since 2014. Your content is incredibly helpful and consistently well-made. I think you are one of the most humble, generous and genuine KZbinr/artist/teacher...out there. (Almost too humble in videos when you are interviewing/talking with other artists.)

[@jrg7951]

Proko, I have been an illustrator for 35 years and am right handed. A few years ago, I decided to try to learn to draw with my left and to my utter surprise I draw better with my Left! It is more intuitive and my imagination is activated unlike my right. Also, my sense of proportion is better. I have not figured out how to use this, I still feel much more comfortable with my right. You might give it a try just to see how is helps you drawing from imagination.

[@mrvic9395]

Voicemail should be called figure of speech

[@vcrbetamax]

I love this podcast, it's almost wholesome. Please make more!

[@vermis8344]

Marshall, my heart went out when I heard that story about Mel Blanc. I know that voice well, too well. It gets around. Also, you gave me a fright when you started on your first story: 'I just wanted to get paid to make pictures'. "Wait, that was a mistake!?"

[@hawzie_9023]

GOD I love Marshall Vandruff

[@Bunnykisses1000]

The anatomy course is not a mistake for us. Im working my way through the fundamentals, then will do the portrait, then the anatomy...love your work/lessons.

[@pazgonthecynic159]

I love how Marshall just sips lean casually

[@slendermike3206]

lmfao

[@JacobBarberDeluxe]

You should name the segment "Drawn into a corner" or "Back to the Drawing Board."

[@sharonoddlyenough]

For some reason, this episode reminded me of the anatomg colouring books that are available. Easy way to remember all the muscles.

[@clydebradley8329]

"Goddammit, Marshall!" is quickly becoming Stan's catchphrase.

[@alexds9]

You should make the podcast at least hour long, and hopefully Marshall would have more time to share his experience.

[@eyeyeye-fm9oo]

Yeah I would love if it was longer. It feels like it is just a little short.

[@verystrselemaon7573]

Celie from color Purple, not Sealy. Anyway, man do I love these episodes. Please never stop this, listening to you two discuss art and everything around it has truly been a blessing. It might not seem so at times but these episodes are gems.

[@cazshack9757]

Yes please! Overseas listeners would love to communicate with your show. Junk in the trunk!

[@kamiko8021]

your anatomy course on KZbin is pushing me and im grateful for it so i don't think it was a mistake at all. But i did get your point about the business mistake

[@bendinsmore2808]

Marshal's Insults: Stan...You're a talented artist.

[@DennisPulido]

My biggest mistake was not getting a mentor sooner than i did. Being serious in your art career means being a master, and I realized that you can't be a master in a vacuum but instead you should learn directly from I master by working with one.

[@swapnilpradhan5550]

Proko interrupting Marshal is annoyinggg!!!

[@SistahBear1]

I quit my nonart job that I did enjoy that left time for me to be creative. I was in a bad situation trying to please other people. That was about 4 years ago. Luckily I ended up back at the same job, and now just getting my art on a better footing. I hope to transition to making art my full-time job in the future because that is what I always wanted.

[@annanguyen8414]

The content is so great. Listening to it when you drawing is so relaxing

[@gabrielcantu4146]

Manga Studio is the English language version of Clip Studio Paint. It's made by Celsys which is a Japanese company and localized by Smith Micro. Most likely it was to unify the name brand and avoid confusion with the two different names. Celsys used to have two programs, ComicStudio and IlustStudio, focusing on comics and illustration respectively. They later combined the two into Clip Studio Paint.

[@kullenberg]

Was, it hasn't been called Manga Studio for years.

[@kamiko8021]

Respect your elders Stan

[@thedanioc94]

Can u do a live reaction of marshall reacting to your kangaroo? pls I need it.

[@TOMMYFM-se4yw]

Stan's looking 🔥🔥🔥in that Chicago Hoodie.

[@artwithNaveen92]

Awesome job with the podcasts guys!! Never stop this!!

[@Ac30fSt4rM13]

Creator Q's sounds neat for the voicemail Q&A segment maybe. Or Crafter Qs. Something like that.

[@eunaoseibrother8902]

i love this podcasts man, they are so great and entertaining , and better, every time i finish one of then i go straight to draw something! ( which is the point i guess...)

[@pazgonthecynic159]

For how long will these podcasts last? I really like them

[@pedramtajeddini5100]

You know it's an old vid when the intro isn't awkward (awkward is more fun)

[@cookieshu2146]

It'd be great if we all have a granpa like Marshall. I would love to hear his stories while sitting infron tof fireplace and drinking hot choco

[@FranciscaPires]

well, I heard about your anatomy course recently and I'm saving up to buy it. in the meantime, I'm going to do the figure drawing one ;) thank you for making the anatomy one so early.

[@FarQuZeDesigns]

Marshall is awesome :) You too Stan. But Marshall is just hilarious :D

[@KitKatWiffleBallBat]

Stan: painter, teacher, excessive blinker. 😁

[@Spitfireseven]

You guys are HYSTERICAL!

[@zack49]

"C'mon Marshall, slap me!" Proko, 2018

[@DullyKrautheimer]

Marshalls Shippey imitation is hilarious:o

[@acatsia0938]

19:24 "bigger space, better microphones..." boi they´ve got nice mics in my opinion, ofc yes I imagine there are better mics out there but this ones I think that they´re pretty nice for a podcast! :)

[@alejandromolinac]

These are pretty cool.... Hope you guys keep it up for a long time.... And I have been out of school for ages....

[@ItsPBUH]

Thank you Marshall, I#ll check out the course you mentioned on heroes and legends

[@gerrardsoutham2841]

“Sketchy Voicemails” for the voicemail segment.

[@eunu4602]

What happened to the perspective course? It`s still comming?

[@izzytheamazing]

I'm really struggling to see Proko's business decision as a bad one. It's SO important to go where the energy is - to do what ENERGIZES, opens us up to possibilities, what inspires us, etc. Maybe a beginner's course is inspiring now, but something tells me it wouldn't have driven him in the beginning - AND because he waited, he brings more nuance to teaching.

[@bohdan_lvov]

Welp, this preview is a greatest mistake yet. IT CAN'T BE UNSEEN