Making Money as an Artist - DraftsmenS1E17

[@ProkoTV]

What are some unusual ways you’ve made money?

[@ishheredia9626]

I sold my soul

[@cdb1192]

I'm not prepared to tell you furry art, but im also not prepared to tell you it wasn't furry art

[@arkano01]

doing nothing!!

[@joshuaizly5502]

Sold a painting I didn't paint

[@Rev0care]

furry porn

[@Argail8137]

Kids listen to them carefully.....YOUR COMPANY HAVE ZERO LOYALTY TOWARDS YOU....remember that

[@lionheart1019]

I'm a FedEx guy, fulltime and I do art on my free time. I haven't started as a freelancer yet. It works for me on average I spend about 3hrs every other day on studying, learning, and creating.

[@DanCastelli78]

Ordinary LionHeart I’m FedEx Capital district. It can be challenging to work on your art after a long day of manual labor.

[@lionheart1019]

@@DanCastelli78that is true, however in my past I didn't have any idea what I was doing or how to pursue my talent. Even though I have been drawing since I could pick up a pencil as a child, I just would draw like when I got to school before class, during classes after I finished my homework and classwork, and even after school when I got home . It was what I did, but I didn't know anyone else who was artistic and my family was full of hard workers, so I always thought there's no money in it so I'll just draw because it's what I love doing . All that being said I am a total try hard and am a bit of a Lionheart I have broken 17 bones and can take any challenge with a smile. If you read this to the end I appreciate it :0

[@DanCastelli78]

Ordinary LionHeart I read it to the end and I must say you and I are very similar

[@1123Barny1]

Damn I do the same thing

[@lionheart1019]

@@1123Barny1 It's hard but totally worth it

[@jonathanwiltshire7199]

"I am interested in art as a means of living a life; not as a means of making a living." - Robert Henri -

[@simonwang4530]

thisss!!!! I love art and it is my passion. but I didn't choose it as my major because it is very hard to make living.

[@ronaldolamont]

What's wrong with wanting both? Obviously both is difficult, but why not shoot for both? Some of these artist stigmas are frustrating to me! Artists aren't supposed to like money?

[@Yurikon3]

@@ronaldolamont I think it is about the change of gears. When someone is just earning their living they can just do it in form of business, no extra nonsense of "passion" required (because passion for some people is just drama, and they get tired of it). When making art, they make it merely for the sake of self. Without having their living tied to it, they are not totally constricted to please surrounding forces. Of course sometimes the pleas of people and artist's product meet, and money is made, but there might be some benefits of separated job and art that makes it more worth it. It is personality question. The problem of wanting both return to this phrase "if you chase two rabbits, you lose em both". Of course mixing living and passion have their benefits as well, but there and benefits in other side which help as well. If anything, artist who can have diversive work-life might actually have far more variation in their "theme-pool" than someone who just does artistry. I once heard of study which neglected the idea that masters (excluding sports) of crafts didn't necessarily have pipelined careers but had diversive history in their work/hobby-life.

[@ronaldolamont]

@@Yurikon3 Thanks for the reply and I get your point, I really do. But I've been a practicing artist for a long time now, I've been on both sides of the coins, meaning I've had other careers while pursuing my painting practice, and I've been in situations where I had to look at my art as more of a focused career in other words I needed to make money from it! Art for me as a career, I wouldn't have it any other way if given a choice! What better way to earn a living than to do it while doing the thing you love the most! But I think as you stated in your reply, it really depends on the personality and what's important to the artist. But going back to my original point, artists should not be afraid to say that they like money, there's nothing wrong with that!!

[@jonathanwiltshire7199]

I don’t understand Henri to mean you should pursue art and not any other means of making money. I think he’s simply referring to the motivation for creating art. I worked in IT as a means of making a living, but I never stopped creating because it’s my passion for living a life.

[@OliVeeTV]

After I took my first 15,000 pictures I still didn’t consider myself a professional photographer -one day in NYC, I was taking random street photography and an interior designer who saw me, employed me to photograph the inside of a multi-million dollar Townhouse in Manhattan... I took the job, and did a few more jobs for him afterwards... That’s how I found out I didn’t need permission from a stranger to be a professional... I didn’t need to be appointed one... my own love and passion for the craft was enough.

[@danielchequer5842]

I want to shate something that happened to me yesterday. I startrd to draw at age 18, never attempted before that and I'm 22 now. I study architecture and this semester we had to do a brainstorm notebook for our project and that includes a lot of drawing. I've studied a lot of drawing in the last 2 years but never considered myself an artist. But yesterday as soon as I put my notebook on the table people started asking me to see it (bc the cover was aa bunch of renaissance portrait studies) and when I realise everyone in the class is looking at my drawings, the professors are stoping the students presentations to look at my sketches and one professor got so thrilled about my drawings he told me to wait for the neext class to show to the other professors too. It was something that I totally didn't expect and that was because I didn't consider myself worthy of any praise until I got it. The last people I talked to at the class told me "wow, that's the kind of skill you only get by drawing since childhood" but I only started doing it 4 years ago and only in the last 2 thatt I've started taking it more seriously. That was a really good moment that made me realise that people do see me as an artist and I should see it too.

[@SuperMarioBoyz]

​@danielchequer5842 Wow. I've been drawing g for 10 years, have no job as an Artist. I remember when I was in Art class in the 8th grade Their were a bunch of kids near my table since I'm by the sink and we were painting. One kid looked over at my drawing and said, "Wow, your like an Artist or something." And all the kids by my table said, "HE IS AN ARTIST!!" Lol And one kid was like, "Why'd you say he's like an artist?" And he replied "I didn't say that" lol

[@SuperMarioBoyz]

​@danielchequer5842 Wow. I've been drawing g for 10 years, have no job as an Artist. I remember when I was in Art class in the 8th grade Their were a bunch of kids near my table since I'm by the sink and we were painting. One kid looked over at my drawing and said, "Wow, your like an Artist or something." And all the kids by my table said, "HE IS AN ARTIST!!" Lol And one kid was like, "Why'd you say he's like an artist?" And he replied "I didn't say that" lol

[@SuperMarioBoyz]

​@danielchequer5842 Wow. I've been drawing g for 10 years, have no job as an Artist. I remember when I was in Art class in the 8th grade Their were a bunch of kids near my table since I'm by the sink and we were painting. One kid looked over at my drawing and said, "Wow, your like an Artist or something." And all the kids by my table said, "HE IS AN ARTIST!!" Lol And one kid was like, "Why'd you say he's like an artist?" And he replied "I didn't say that" lol

[@SuperMarioBoyz]

​@danielchequer5842 Wow. I've been drawing g for 10 years, have no job as an Artist. I remember when I was in Art class in the 8th grade Their were a bunch of kids near my table since I'm by the sink and we were painting. One kid looked over at my drawing and said, "Wow, your like an Artist or something." And all the kids by my table said, "HE IS AN ARTIST!!" Lol And one kid was like, "Why'd you say he's like an artist?" And he replied "I didn't say that" lol

[@josiahh.3437]

I could listen to Marshall tell stories for hours. Super interesting and I live hearing his perspective on things, especially regarding art history.

[@kehkeh92821]

I love the way Marshall talks- the dude belongs on TV. Such a friendly but matter of fact way of speaking. Seems enthusiastic and honest

[@d1i9n2a2]

I did graphic design for 7 years and I can attest to Marshall's statement. Graphic design drained me of any creativity I had and I barely created artwork in those 7 years. I now have a dayjob and it makes painting on my free time much more manageable. I am now able to develop my artistic skills and produce much more art. On the flip side, graphic design did give me a lot of transferable skills making it a good investment. I should never have done it for so long though.

[@jamesgriffin5916]

Wellll...I cant say enough how much you inspire me Proko! I'm an artist but unfortunately suffer from a seizure condition and extreme anxiety, panic attack disorder and depression, but creating art, watching ur content and learning about things from you and creating art after being inspired by you help a lot. If I'm having a bad day with anxiety or a seizure, I sit back and watch content or hop into a piece I'd be working on and it helps calm me down and even prevent panic attacks and seizures!!!! So from me to you Proko, THANK YOU!

[@chungusmychungus]

As a freelance artist I cannot give this enough praise. This is so accurate on so many levels.

[@marcoursi6062]

12 minutes into it and I must say Stan is right....Make money as a businessman and practice your art as a pleasure because you have enough passive income to do what the hell you like...good on you!!

[@VisiColors]

"He drew me as a rotting corpse" "....well that's accurate." I just spit-laughed on my drawing

[@mynameiszoe]

What's the time

[@Vladar4]

after 44:00

[@adequatelytrying6568]

Marshall's 2 seminars currently on sale cost $69 and $420 respectively. Just needed to let someone know.

[@ladidadida0]

I nearly knocked myself out at around 15min when Marshall starts talking about being a graphic designer in front of the screen all the time and not being motivated to do digital painting on the side afterwards! That is exactly my situation LOL Many people think graphic designers do what they love because it's a "creative" job but it's not the same as drawing/painting/illustration etc. It is using your creativity for a totally commercial purpose which is to sell a product/service where design decisions involve more facts and figures research than personal aesthetics or "style". I loved how you touched on that often misunderstood aspect of graphic design. Love how the podcast touches more on different aspects of making money with art outside of the traditional full-time studio job that is becoming more and more common as a means of income/side income! Keep up the wonderful and insightful discussions!

[@0S023]

Marshall is the "Deckard Cain" of art. I stayed awhile and listen to him 47 minutes. really needed this words at this point of my life. Appreciate it Thx so much!

[@ProkoTV]

Season 2 will begin on April 7 and on it’s own KZbin channel… Be sure to subscribe! kzbin.info/door/fvIqreCk628yB9mp3e_ABQ

[@BythepeopleForthepeople203]

I am an artist myself.. And I admit I may have a lot to learn about selling my work. Love the podcast, guy.. Thanks..🌻🌻

[@saflool]

I used to work for a painter, I would create entire paintings in his style and he would just come and sign them and sell for hundreds even thousands of dollars.. and pay me minimum lol I was very young and just happy to paint for money.

[@lis3513]

Haha how rotten can someone be

[@いあん]

I've had a job exactly like that too

[@tengkuadam1399]

Just remember his signature and put it on your own paintings!

[@ApacheJay156]

Been drawing anime waifus on patreon for 2 years now. Made a respectable amount of money at it, (though not as much as some of my peers which bothers me, but it's more than I had before) for doing something I'd be doing anyway. I learned a lot from your videos Stan, so thanks!

[@gameslay8124]

whats your patreon

[@ligmapill3092]

Oook

[@Tabnito]

Damn now I see what I could fall back on lol.

[@dagomaer]

Oh, waifus... I read anime walrus at first

[@lightlawliet3526]

did you have big following on social media before starting on patreon?

[@henrypatuti7147]

Just discovered this series today, can't be more perfectly timed. I think 2 years ago I might not understand this podcast with an artist perspective. I love how interesting ideas brought up for me now. Maybe before I'll just play it in the background with really understanding it, but now's different.

[@jrg7951]

I went into illustration and it has served me well all these years, but my passion is Fine Art. The two are totally different things. 1 is survival, everyone needs that, the passion is something that many people never get to make it their survival too.

[@drummertp12]

Arent we all here to listen to Marshall? Hes the best!

[@angeliqueroux3017]

Your podcasts are gold! Most people’s podcasts are just nice background noise, but I'm learning SO much with every episode! Thank you so very much, Proko & Marshall! ❤️

[@Steverin_Oh]

As a front desk clerk at a hotel, I can say that getting paid minimum wage doing barely anything while you get your art done is distracting. Sometimes you need a focused environment to get proper art complete, and the minor interactions take that away.

[@FJRamosArt]

This is by far one of the most important episodes for artists in regards to money. Thank you!

[@funebure]

40:28 "I love some of my students" just the tone on Marshall's voice, how can he be so wholesome

[@ladyadriel175]

While I was studying Art at University I was working a split shift in a before and after school care centre (kids aged 5-12). There I was able to do afternoon art and craft activities and further teach some of the kids that were interested in developing their art. I did that for 10 years. (I NEVER want to see Glitter again!!) My current job of the past 3 years has been working in a trade paint store where I get to do colour consultations for Home Builders and DIY customers. Part of my job is to mix the paint and colour match samples. If work gets slow I always have my sketch book on hand. The employee discounts on painting gear is a great bonus and I still work in my studio at home around my shifts and on weekends.

[@pandabebop]

Proko 2.0 SOUNDS AMAZING, I know I shouldn't have this mentality but if I earned points for assignments for a chance to win something i'd be more assertive towards my studies and work output

[@sezmonsta3229]

I LOVE THIS SERIES PLEASE NEVER STOP MAKING IT!!!

[@elrelster]

Not unusual, but I started learning caricatures last Monday from you guys, and that Friday I made 50 bucks for my first commissioned caricature. That was pretty cool.

[@mikepelosi9877]

Overall: you can make a very good living as a visually creative person. From 3D modeling to concept to advertising, there is a ton of career options now. As a successful artist - selling your art as a way to make money -that’s just like any other competitive environment where the many want to be the few.

[@nicksanford8188]

A little late, but my very first commission was from my uncle who paid me $70 to create three logos. I had never made any logos before and was only 16 at the time. I downloaded a free trial of Adobe Illustrator and watched tutorials on logo making, and after two weeks he was very pleased with the results - and so was I. It was the first time I'd made money with my art, and it felt amazing.

[@uber1015]

Walter: we could buy a car wash business. Jesse: nah let's just paint all day and ask badger to roll some blunts for us.

[@jopetarias681]

ahhahahahaha

[@Subparanon]

13:00 I have a job so I don't HAVE to support myself with my art. By separating the two, I am free to pursue whatever artistic ideas I have, and I'm answerable to nobody else. It's also risk free because I'm not depending on it to make ends meet. I have also discovered that things I love to do on my own, can be TORTURE having to do to somebody elses specifications. Like people who specify one thing, then when you've already sunk hours into the project, they change their mind about minute details, that sends you back to the drawing board. I absolutely hated not having my own creative control and having to bend to the whims of people who had no idea how insane their requests were.

[@InkyDani]

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the time you both invest to create this quality podcast (I've listened to almost every episode in four days). I really would like to hear more about your networking strategies, if you have any. I am an artist but I only confidently started taking work until I figured out how to network properly (and even now I still think I could do better). Personally, I feel like many young artists would benefit greatly by learning more about successfully networking (especially from pros like yourselves). Looking forward to Proko 2!

[@alicedubois1348]

I love these podcasts! They are really entertaining, inspiring and awesome. ❤

[@Chessbox09]

The time passes by so fast when I listen, so much great info

[@JKalit]

This young man has surprised people wirldover. Buddy proko isntba library of videos but the artschool in all its Glory. And you are a master

[@CharlesHancockCreations]

I'm the 570th viewer. Thanks VidIQ. Stan I look forward to every video, The Draftsman Podcast is rad.

[@jecandido]

When you said "I don't want to win money be an artist" .. .it exploded in my head! Gee I Always think about how can I win money, and this stresses me that I can't practice my creativity, it stops me. Sometimes I need to join the journey. I listen to you and others channels talking about it any part of the world, everybody arrives in the same subject. you must study, show your stories, and be happy. Win money it is not an absolute result. Tks for the video, see ya!

[@Malik_Hoff]

I like branding & giving fans value over teaching & freelance.

[@foxygrin]

I swear Proko is going to be the future of the online art industry

[@philipgarrett282]

Thanks for this episode. My lowest and highest experience was , when budgets for Art departments in schools was cut, it left me with little or no workshop work within twelve months (2010/11) Started wondering how to pay the rent and live plus continuing to be creative. Had heard of, and seen, pavement artists whilst in London and abroad. Was nervous as hell and knew my draughtsmanship was not the best, but decided to give it a try. Not only did I pay my rent but actually made a living, gained the support of a couple who patroned me by commissioning an early bust plus paid my rent for three months through the winter. Have quite a few more stories and did it full time for two years. I knew I was never as good technically as international artists but the images brightened up peoples lives locally, and these people helped me tread water so I could survive. Although I don't rate my old master copies looking back it was a brilliant way of earning a living and a great way of practicing art, and a step closer to improving.

[@pokemonitishere202]

So many artists took that profession as a part of their passion. But a very few people made it big in this profession when we talk about money like Eiichiro Oda. But the money he made & is making is nothing Infront of his passion & hardwork. Artists truly have the superior patience when compared to any field .

[@paperclaudio]

One good way to make some money is to go to conventions and fairs and events. Old cars, beauty, pets, whatever. People there already spend a lot of money on the things they like so its easy to sell drawings of that things at a good price.

[@marymcandrew7667]

way back when....I learned how to use an airbrush and did tee shirts for people. My fine art skills suffered but I got good at doing cartoons and copies of characters then I expanded and did some company logo type things. These I was able to get commissioned to do when I had a booth at the local summer county fairs and the company booths around me would come and ask if I could copy their logo or image onto a shirt. My regular money was from people wanting something personalized and I always worked so people could watch me, that drew people in. Sometimes then I took commissions to work from photos of their pets, cars etc. I made some good cash, had fun talking to people and still kept my 'drawing hand' going, practicing looking and drawing. This is all when my two boys were young so it was easy to do while I was busy. Then there came a point I missed the feel of the paper and canvas under my hand and dropped it! Love your show!!

[@jrg7951]

Get really good at anything and someone is going to pay for it

[@al-919]

Clint Cearly

[@Jesterj13]

I'm really good at being a selfish idiot.

[@TheMrPopper69]

Anyone looking for procrastination? 😅

[@gordacapivara]

That's a less edgy version of Heath Ledger's joker quote. I like yours better

[@aliceduren6542]

"He drew me as a rotting corpse." I'm sorry, I just bursted out laughing at that moment.

[@Adriano-do-Couto-Illustration]

Doing fan art is more akin to being a classical musician than being in a cover band. A cover band has to sound as much as possible like the original artist whereas when you do fan art you can add your own flavor and do stuff your own way as long as the characters are identifiable and people like what you do.

[@J.5in]

You should listen to Blank Space (I Prevail Cover)

[@briankeeth5877]

Ha! He said that commencement speech at my arts graduation in 2012! What a small world! Great video guys.

[@yasurikressh8325]

Didnt know podcast to be this chill. Really enjoyed this one

[@the_Googie]

I go to illustration school. Theyre big on how we make money afterwards. You chose how much money you make. As an artist you can just as much do a carreer as anyone else. Its weither you want that or not, and many artists don't, since it's not in their nature. Concept artists can be very well paid, and 3d artists and modelers, riggers, etc, are also not far off. People who have a brand on their own are making tons of money, especially in the anime/furry world. I know yiff artists myself making 20 grand a month from patreon. And theyre not even that crazy good. But they know how to tell a story and do sexy stuff of characters people want to see. Combine that with studio work and commissions, and youre SET. Its a matter of skill and decision.

[@nekoruart329]

I love you, guys. You're great.

[@zyy321dory]

Thank you for this episode, deciding not to pursue full-time professional art is something that I constantly question and it makes me feel better to hear that I was right about the realities about being an artist for money. And sincerely appreciate the shoutout to people who do fan art to make money, I don't enjoy fanart myself but it's often unnecessarily derided. Can't wait for Proko 2.0 :)

[@TheJenZeman]

Thank you for this episode - a good reminder for me to focus on the love of creating art versus hoping to make money from it some day. At 47, I'm focusing more on retirement and making money from my art at that time, but perhaps that shouldn't even be the goal. I took a commission once when I was painting glass (vases, bottles), and I HATED it! I was so stressed about it - it sucked the joy right out of the process. Vowed then I would never work for commissions.

[@zaidaliahmed7869]

wow i wasn't expecting you guys to answer my question about how to prove that you're fast through your portfolio xD thanks for responding to it though really appreciate it

[@theyayo]

I always wanted to draw and paint whatever I like, not what someone else told me to do.. So... I studied Architecture, I built my own studio, now people work for me (only spend 4 hours at day on it), and now I'm 31 and I draw and paint whatever I like and I have plenty of money to live well...

[@saulgarcia7083]

Can you help me with something

[@olivervasquez1576]

It's been several years that I don't draw... This makes my passion hidden in the dark grow again

[@Evansmustard]

Man I am freakin HYPE for Proko 2.0

[@videotampa]

As a career artist, I've lived this whole podcast. Great info here.

[@picsapien9786]

I have done "performing art" a few times. This has been for big events done where I had to be part of the entertainment. This has ranged from standing in the corner doing a painting while people enjoy dinner, to doing live graffiti, walking around a party with a drawing block doing caricatures (Which SUCKED because the 'other' entertainment was a really scary good magician). I have also painted an old cat lady's cat and showed up at her door asking money for it without her commission... and she bought it!

[@johnson6099]

People used to ask me to teach them to draw but that was totally not my calling. No one taught me and I never wanted to make art my job because I knew I wouldn't enjoy it. I still love traditional drawing.

[@jscb87]

Proko Caotic Neutral confirmed with the advice to 16 years old teenagers.

[@jdlinkousproductions2105]

Ok, here´s the unusual way I used to make money with: When I was in highschool I used to write little rhymes and poems, some of them were "eh" and the rest sucked. But somehow my friends started to "hire me" to write "letters" for their crushes. I used to charge 10 pesos and a can of Coke for them. XD (I´m from México) I´m currently a freelance video editor and a freelance producer, I have a couple of clients that hire me to produce audio, photo, and video for their online projects. I´m doing barely ok, but at the same time; I have time to work on my creative projects and finish college. I published a very innocent and poorly developed comic on both English and Spanish called Neither Fairies Nor Dragons, I´m currently publishing It Will Be Me, my 2nd original comic and trying to develop a store for some things I've created for clothes. I´m not saying that I´m succeeding at anything, but somehow I feel that I can manage this for a while. Always a pleasure to watch the podcast and watch your beautiful faces.

[@BPCwithCharlie]

I just want to let you two know that I am thoroughly entertained by the banter and wit.

[@ThatkidSquid]

This is my favorite podcast!

[@kokomardirossian7712]

I canf focus on my drawings whil im hearing marshals sexy voice 😏

[@fellixfell2608]

he cute

[@Sammisek]

Fellix Fell He IS cute* Come on...

[@fellixfell2608]

@@Sammisek hello newfriend my no speak you language. you from earth? thank

[@kokomardirossian7712]

This isnt a fukin English class 😂

[@crimsontrace339]

Marshall's a full snack

[@G3rex]

You might call yourself an art-related podcast, but you do give excellent general life advice as well. :)

[@BrandochGarage]

I used to work physical job, and that's exactly how it was. My mind was active ALL day with ideas, in music and art, and I could not wait to get home and execute those ideas. A long weekend off work meant 2 or 3 complete songs and maybe a painting. Now I work on computer, and when I get home, I'm kind of done, mentally and maybe even visually. It's much harder to pull myself together for a project. For Sargent, I think just being past 50 must = tired of the BS.

[@TheArtAcademy1]

Nice information video 👍 Very good 👌👍😊😊❤️

[@Gothikah]

Im so early, marshall didn't even sing yet, and his shoes are still on.

[@sezmonsta3229]

The first captioned sentence: “Marshall you’re ready to fight cat”

[@rstallings69]

Took a picture of a landscaping clients dog then did a 5 minute sketch that night I showed him the next day leading to him saying ...".I'll pay you for that when you finish" so I did a watercolor portrait for him- was my first non-friends dog portrait and paid job

[@jocslzr1]

I'm a graphic designer. I pursue my art on my free time. I did switched jobs to a design job where I don't have to illustrate every day. It was the only way to get back to drawing (and enjoy drawing).

[@flamingorock]

I don't know if I have a particularly unusual way that I've made money but I did make an architectural drawings for a modern furniture store that needed to present it to the fire department. It had to be precise. So I went to the location took pictures and a tape measure and took notes. Went home drew it and got paid $300 for it. I had never done anything like that before nor since. It was an interesting experience.

[@Starks95yt]

really can't wait for that sweet proko 2.0

[@e_cleaver]

I have one of those sit and wait jobs. Mostly waiting for users to call, chat, or send in issue about their technical issues. So I can practice drawing while waiting for customers to contact us.

[@judilynn9569]

I so wish we had access to this type of information and conversation when I was a young art student.

[@maksephmabuna5756]

Learned so much from you guys. I really appreciate the effort you've put in and how you've answered the question out of you personal experiences and life stories. Love the part where you brought up Neil Gaiman's rules, was very refreshing to be reminded of those things. Growing up, I had a very tough time making money out of my art. And where I was born, making art was not really a good means of making money. But I love doing it, I just really had to learn stuff on my own as I could not afford art school or workshops. I could not afford even a charcoal pencil when I was in college. I took a Major(not art related) that many thought would give me a lot of chances of getting a job. I ended up working as a tutor while studying and on the side I was learning graphic design and was able to do freelance work and sometimes I'd do it for free just to get to a skill level I feel I'd be confident enough to have someone pay me a decent amount for my work. I would still do portraits and illustrations on the side because I love doing it. I agree with Stan because most of the time I don't really care so much about making money. It's just that sometimes life and reality hits you in the face and we are forced to be practical and try to make a living. Now I'm a graphic designer I earn a decent amount than before but I still love doing paintings on the side IG: @markmabuna. But I think Stan's way of thinking is really something I'd like to consider this time, to pursue a way of making money that gives you freedom to work on art that you love doing.

[@evilg2010]

Love the Seth Godin reference “be your own Brand”

[@1231237914]

I'd like to say some things about the fanart topic. The whole thing about "fanart is not real art" its kinda strange, cuz these ppl that say this kind of thing also accept portraits as art, for example. Isnt almost the same thing? You pick some subject that was not thought nor created by yourself, that you picked it just cuz it got your attention, and put some of your sould in it. When you do portraits you're not creating the subject neither; also, when ppl draw things they like, it usually have so much... soul? Cus you get to know what they like the most, what they'd like to emphasize about, their thoughts, feelings, the most memorable scene or feeling about that anime, or serie, or movie, book, band, whatever. ehh

[@ApacheJay156]

Also very rarely is fanart an exact copy of the source material, the artist brings his own style and spirit into it and makes something new.

[@kullenberg]

I sincerely hope this was posted as bait.

[@ch-arts-us]

I recommend as you are trying to become a person who totally relies on art for income to get a job that requires little effort or thinking so you can save all your mental energy for your art when you get home.

[@pjlewisful]

I made $ drawing "Gamouatures" at a health spa / fat farm. In exchange for a spa stay, I helped entertain the guests with various craft, makeup, gift wrap, etc. classes. I took pictures of guests when they arrived for their stay at the spa, then drew them in the most flattering way that I could (being a pro. makeup artist so many years). They sold like hotcakes.

[@pjlewisful]

Opps..."Glamouratures" (very flattering portraits)

[@arealbigmountain3263]

Thank you, i need this... And also money...

[@gmagno2000]

That is a mature talking. Thanks a lot for sharing. Keep on rocking!

[@saltymike1247]

Very Good stuff, proko!!!!

[@gregaaron89]

*cries in fine art* There really is no money in it unless you’re exceptionally good and have a huge social media following

[@trevorhsieh7029]

I like hearing Marshall say *money*

[@SerenaMarenco]

I work on a computer all the day as a graphic designer, but I love to do digital draw and painting, so I just pass more time sitted on the computer and I draw and paint too. Some time I take the sketchbook and I draw whit charcoal. Some time I just switch from indesign to photoshop. It works fine for me. In the evening, then, when everything is done, I do some gardening just for the pleasure to see things growing.

[@mdatick4809]

Damn!! you guys blew my mind... I am so happy that I clicked on this video

[@TatiHardt]

I think it's totally possible to make money as an artist, but you won't if you don't have the right mindset, and that goes for all the other professions as well. You can't simply be an artist and complain that people don't value your work. You gotta a be a business person, understand about marketing and branding, you're responsible to making people value your work, not the other way around.

[@maletu]

Older version (around since the sixties, probably much before) of the "two of three" trope: fast, cheap, good. Any two. Older version has a second point, usually invoked as "if you want excellent AND fast, you are going to have to pay big $$$."

[@jbeihl1]

Lol I worked as a mailman on the side it was actually horrible. Mail carriers actually have a very difficult job especially getting in the weeding out process is brutal and you have to use your own car. I’d say I have gone the Proko route although I’m not as far along( I don’t have my own company) BUT I teach at a local Atelier and it has allowed me to pick and choose my projects. I also freelance but I will only freelance for studios or if the economics work and teaching allows me to do this. Bc I teach at an Atelier I have flexibility with my hours. I split my time in the fall doing holiday art for a studio in upstate NY. Stan is right in so far as teaching will actually make you BETTER, FASTER. I’m currently doing what the older gentlemen in the video alluded to st the end. When I’m not doing holiday art or teaching I’m using the free studio that the Atelier provides me to produce high quality imaginative realist sci-fi paintings. Next year I’m planning on hitting up lightbox expo, illuxcon, dragon con and NYCC with packages for gaming companies and boom publishers.

[@karen.olivos]

"I love some of my students" LMAO Marshall you're awesome XD

[@angeliqueroux3017]

Gary Veee! So glad you mentioned him 😊

[@mustachecashestash5825]

Proko....2.0!!!!!! Yyyyyyreeeeesssss!!!! When!?

[@behindartofficial]

I worked as a video producer in the past two years, start to make art full time in the last 3 months. My first sale is a logo design for a friend, she paid me $30 and I'm super happy about it! I also write art content for an online gallery, make some small money from it. Also, I get some income from bitcoin investment. Each month I got some income from art, although not much it's still encouraging. If I get another side job for 2-3 days a week, it will be abundant.

[@cronian2372]

i love how stan is almost always confused by marshall

[@leweiwang3209]

By hearing Marshall's voice, my IQ increases constantly

[@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430]

I watched a 48 min video about making money as an artist *on youtube* and print on demand wasn't mentioned, interior decorators/designers weren't mentioned, greeting cards weren't mentioned, and collabs with product creators in general not even touched on... I am disappoint

[@bobeast1490]

I have bartered a lot of art, Traded for guitars, Motorcycle parts, Restaurant gift certificates. Sometimes companies will trade when they don't want to output cash. It only works if they have something you want. I would have bought those those things anyway, so Its like getting paid.

[@vancunnn]

Finally, a new ep!