Prologue: Discussing Tim Alberta's book "The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory."

[@kimnewling5728]

Very good talk. Read the book by Tim, and it was excellent. Our focus now should be on the broken church, not politics.

[@Bebang60]

Very comforting to listen to enlightened ministers, thank you both! 🙏 ...yes, we need to confront our own people out of love and not to throw stone at others ...

[@lynnglidewell7367]

@@Bebang60 Correction. We need to confront other people who refer to themselves as Christian but are in fact Apostates, Heretics, and Idol Worshippers. There are no practicing Christians supporting Trump.

[@wmski]

I love your approach and that love is your priority. I've been sharing your stuff to FB and, as an atheist, it has opened up communication with some people that would think we had no common ground. Thank you and your guest for your wisdom and insight.

[@jackbraaten726]

I´m the only Christian in my circle of close family and friends. Ethics is what it is, whether you´re an Atheist or a Christian. What God has given me, is direction, strength, wisdom, courage and joy, because I was pretty low in those areas.

[@sandybowman7140]

Amen! What comes to mind is the parable of the Sheep and the Goats!! But spot on point, when we forget who we are ... !! Loved this podcast!! Bless u both! ❤❤❤

[@StartAtTheEnd]

I grew up in a “Christian” home with a father who worshipped politics and right wing talk radio, but dutifully went to church. I had always wondered, but have come to the obvious conclusion that he never knew Jesus, and I pray for his eternal soul. Both my parents chose Trump early on - when there were numerous other options. They were in love with him from the day he came down that escalator…he was instantly their “Orange Jesus” - as if he had descended from the clouds on high - “the one” they were waiting for.

[@lynnglidewell7367]

@@StartAtTheEnd I've said all along there are no Christians supporting Trump. Certainly not practicing ones at least. They've become Apostates, Heretic's, and Idol Worshippers.

[@jackbraaten726]

Sorry that you had to experience this so close to you. I think it´s so strange that not all people would get that he´s constantly lying.

[@StartAtTheEnd]

@@jackbraaten726 It is bizarre and terrifying to bear witness to...I was the only one in my family not to join the MAGA cult. They have embraced the darkness within themselves and are full of hatred and rage. Oddly, they still claim to be Christians, even as they say incongruous things...Jesus did tell us that MANY in that day would say, "Lord, Lord..." and He will tell them, "Depart from Me you workers of evil! I never knew you." I still pray for their repentance and salvation, but have little hope.

[@jackbraaten726]

@@StartAtTheEnd Yes, I can imagine that it´s very hard. People have been taught to believe only the accepted propaganda and that all else is “fake news. We who see through this hoax should thank God. “Your eye is like a lamp that provides light for your body. When your eye is healthy, your whole body is filled with light. But when your eye is unhealthy, your whole body is filled with darkness. And if the light you think you have is actually darkness, how deep that darkness is!” (Matthew 6:22-23) The Trump inauguration crowd size dispute in January 2017 should have convinced all that he´s not to be trusted, but it didn´t. It´s will over reason. Repeat the lie over and over till people swallow it, despite all evidence. We must believe that most of those who are under this great delusion will wake up. Let´s continue to be light and salt in this world till it happens. God bless you.

[@sandybowman7140]

@@StartAtTheEnd Rick, ur story matches mine to a "T" and the hatred & contempt I've heard come from my family almost leads me to believe they never heard nor believed Romans where it says "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and "there's no one righteous, no not one!" It becomes a monumental challenge then not to hate the hypocrisy. The discipline Jesus had is beyond comprehension! Staying silent while planning to take back the keys of death & hell while he demonstrated love for the worst in the world stuck in their willful hatred! I wish u were my neighbor, I know we could have built each other up! 🙋‍♀️👑💔🗝❤️

[@ingridlincoln-mj7oc]

Thank you for posting this! Since I am a new subscriber, I had ironically started going back to listen to this as it feels relevant. I am glad you are reposting and hopeful that you complete the chapters of the book for discussion.

[@K.L.M.Online]

Thank you for re-releasing these to bring this information to more people’s attention.

[@Larry-s1n]

The Lord has continually kept me in rememberance of Colossians 3:1-4. Those who have been risen with Christ are those who have died with Christ and have been raised up together with Him.

[@WindsofChange]

Welcome pastor Dave, thank you for speaking with us....

[@cozettepettigrew795]

thank you both for your ministry... y'all hearts are showing... xox

[@dt7307]

You both are authentic, genuine, and transparent in sharing your lives and experiences that "shaped" you. Even as a 'PK' (Pastor's kid), as is Tim Alberta! Leaning on your own understanding, in lieu of trusting the Lord, as I/we see, that has spread so deep and wide. Jesus did warn of the leaven of hypocrisy. And you're so right, pastor Pat, to say that Jesus did speak hard to His own people. As the Pharisees and scribes as harshly in condemnation as any, that used their power, tradition, over their people, their "neighbors." And "neglected the weightier matters of the law; justice and mercy and faith." Per Jesus. Reminds me of when Jesus spoke of those men who picked up stones to cast upon the woman, "that sinner", "those sinners", then, (that we all are), today and for decades now, the Bible is used. Yes, a sad witness to our neighbors, the world, as as you rightly say, using Christ's Name. which, in turn, has turned off many of our "neighbors" away from Jesus. You both hit it big that CHARACTER MATTERS! And as we see, through Jesus in His condemnation of the Pharisees that becoming "Hypocrites!" is a huge sin that has met with condemnation by Jesus. As well as when Jesus separates the sheep from the goats. The Good Shepherd did say that "My sheep hear My voice." Yet, as we have seen, the many have heard Trumps voice and all the other voices that parrot Trump's words and heart. Influencing many and as you shared yourself. "Bad company corrupts good character" is evident and a sad truth, reality. The temptation of Satan to, towards Jesus, is an excellent point, because we do also wage that spiritual battle and temptations, along with our fallen and sin nature that can lead any of us astray too, if we are not vigilant in the Lord. Love your 'Pastor to Pastor' conversation and in highlighting Tim Alberta's excellent book and his wise insights, experiences, discernment,...to the truth, and The Truth! "As iron sharpens iron," we appreciate your good character to speak truth to power, authentically, by your genuine love for one another AND our neighbors! Who and What JESUS is all about, LOVE. Keep up speaking truth, God's Truth, in love and being that "good and faithful servant!" God's blessings and covering be upon you to continue your witness and being A Light in this dark world! Faith, Hope, and Love. But the greatest of these is Love!

[@maryeconomou6573]

God bless your work and keep you safe.

[@MikeB-sk5ks]

A very interesting discussion, particularly when Pat talked about his need to “detox” from cultural “Christian” programming, so that he might know the true mind of the Lord while shepherding God’s people.

[@karenkoelsch]

Yes, it would be excellent to finish the book!

[@TheLakingc]

Thank you for this honest discussion. It parallels my journey, also. I would limeto see a discussion, now, on fighting the fear of what is coming. I see also, a parallel to how nazi Germany developed.

[@JudithRev1714]

I just finished the Book, it’s a must read, even for me as a German

[@jackbraaten726]

I think too many posts on this channel are not being read, liked or commented on. Please read the latest posts whenever you watch a video and show some love for those people and contributions. God bless you.

[@susandevine3907]

I’ve been thinking a lot about the loss of our witness, so thanks for expressing this. It really is a blindness and is hard to talk about with other Christians.

[@LuciendaSky]

Pat, thank you for all your encouragement the last few weeks (I am a latecomer to this channel). Have you encountered the book, "Domesticated Glory," by Gale Heide? He covers similar themes in this book. I genuinely think you might find it useful.

[@garywaller8181]

Hi, I grew up as a recovering Catholic and convicted, gay spiritual Christian. I love this quote half measures of us. Nothing you cannot be somewhat pregnant. You’re either pregnant or you’re not we definitely have to be very clear and black-and-white. I’m sorry that the truth hurts for some people Christianity And our faith is supposed to unite us. Not divide us. The truthful set us free all those other axioms and clichés that really need to hold it empirical power all the blessings and the insights that God gave us between solution problem right and wrong. We just need to do what’s gonna be better to instruct us instead of destroy us. Thanks for all your wonderful podcast. I follow you and a strong advocate of your discernment God bless.🙏🏼🙌🏻🌅💝🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@steevrawjers]

Greetings In the name of The Lord Jesus Christ

[@sohu86x]

I also recommend Taking America Back for God

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Jesus and John Wayne another useful read.

[@StartAtTheEnd]

Great book! I also highly recommend! It describes the culture I grew up in to a “T.” So many moments I felt sick and wanted to weep for what has been done to generations now…so much damage…

[@sandybowman7140]

@@Justanotherconsumer I'm glad u mentioned that book - I saw the author give an interview about it, gonna go look for it for a Christmas present for myself! ❤️🗝👑

[@carlaanderson4330]

Great book but not good to read before bed for a good night's rest.

[@sandybowman7140]

I know what u mean - it's a book best read in the early morning AFTER a sound sleep!! 😊❤

[@FloppityFlopFlop777]

The Bible describes the Antichrist as "a vile person." With "a mouth boasting great things" and "an appearance more stout than his fellows." He will come to power with "a small force."

[@FloppityFlopFlop777]

Revealed more than altered. IMHO.

[@TheOneForReal]

The church has presented a delapidated version of love at best for a long time. This is why the end of Matt 25 is so important. Both sides seemed confused: "lord when did we give you food and water to drink?" Or the worse fate: "lord when did we not visit you in prison?" Perhaps we should not be so self assured. I personally feel that until the church repairs it's relationship with lgbt and women, that the "body of christ" will remain ineffective. Yall chided when the millennials left the church, but it was for good reason. Remember Jesus' reference to the Queen of the South and Jonah? You didnt see this coming bcs you refused to see what was already happening. I refer again to the end of Matt 25. Be sure who you are in that story- if you find the Bible to be true.

[@FloppityFlopFlop777]

Good points. Humility has been severely lacking in many "Christian" churches for a very long time. Especially among charismatics and evangelicals, who have declared for decades that so many Christians aren't even Christians because we don't agree with them on everything.

[@jackbraaten726]

@@FloppityFlopFlop777 I heard a MAGA "pastor" here on KZbin dismiss a couple of common church denominations as apostate but Catholics were real Christians. Then someone in the comments dismissed the Pope as apostate.

[@lynnglidewell7367]

I see some bad recommendations in the comments which may look good or correct on the surface but aren't. Learn the lesson of history. The church in Europe tried to ignore politics and the world around it in world war 2 by turning inward also. As a result they lost people who viewed them as an obsolete institution to their everyday lives and matters that affected them. The European church never really ever recovered their bad choices. Everyday Europeans still view the church as obsolete eighty years later. So people calling for ignoring politics and just working on the church are more a problem then solution. Hitler was killing Jews, Gypsy's,and Slavs, in each country he invaded. The church sought to appease him by not being critical or getting in his way. They just "played church" instead.

[@JudithRev1714]

I am not sure if I understood you right. There should be a balance of not ignoring and not engaging too much, if you know what I mean. The book is about not engaging too much. I grew up in East Germany, our church often was only political. One reason that I left because I needed the gospel and not politics. But I agree with you that the church failed in the 1930s. Christians should be aware of the situation but focus on the gospel.

[@lynnglidewell7367]

@JudithRev1714 Hitler was killing Jews, Gypsy's, Slavs, in every country he invaded and the church tried to appease him by not being critical or getting in his way.

[@lynnglidewell7367]

@@JudithRev1714 Being " aware " is useless to someone who's door is being kicked in by a Nazi. They need the church to boldly take a stand and call out those actions and people perpetrating them as evil in confrontational language.

[@sandybowman7140]

@@lynnglidewell7367 I would encourage u to watch the online movie "The Hiding Place" put online by the Billy Graham organization. I don't think many church going believers in those horrible days had the courage to take a stand against Hitler. It will be much worse this time bc now there's social media, AI, and Ancestry DNA databases to instantly find all Jews. Ultimately, the TenBoom family were betrayed by SS pretending to be church people. Paul was spot on when he said "do not be deceived, God is not mocked, whatever a man sows he will also reap!" We need to keep our eyes fixated on Jesus, the author & finisher of our faith and let the Holy Spirit purge everything in us that offends our Holy Lord! And then when we've done everything, try to stand. I personally can't imagine their horror & their helplessness. Whole countries collapsed under the Blitzkrieg - how could anyone believer take a stand? And yet there were heroes ...

[@davidtate2419]

You need to read Romans! Yes read the Bible again if you read at all!

[@jackbraaten726]

Audio bible is great!

[@jodyjm13]

I'm wondering if -- after going through your favorite passage, Romans 1:26-32 -- you've read Romans 2:1-4. After all, Paul didn't separate his letters neatly into chapter and verse when writing them, and the opening of Romans 2:1 makes it clear that it's part of the argument he'd been developing in the previous couple of paragraphs.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

@@jodyjm13there’s a pericope marking in Ephesians that separates the general command of everyone being subject to everyone out of reverence to Christ from the section on wives being subject to their husbands. The editor is not the author.