Proof Apex Legends Matchmaking Is Terrible (Matchmaking Experiment)

[@piotrkosztirko438]

This guy vibing out to Epic Rap Battles of History 😂

[@llMakaveli]

Ong I was just bout to comment this 💀💀 Albert vs Stephen that use to be me n my brother shìt back in the day🤣💯 n that dark Vader trilogy 😂

[@ciccnick]

If you're a good player solo queuing, it will give you wet noodles for teamates, while facing you against masters & preds

[@whentheycome6424]

This is me this morning, i never get platinum and diamond players....only level 40 and 60 players

[@Imaheretic_]

And think about this from the noodles perspectives also, not fun for anyone..

[@MC-ns8gb]

3 strikes is so revealing for this cuz tell me how with 3 lives people somehow manage to get less than 500 damage in a 20 minute match

[@drocxxx712]

Literally my life rn 😂

[@GrudgeM0nster]

Enjoying the new solos just have to worry about myself now.

[@celestialbeez7024]

The old ranked system was great they just had to get rid of the mid-season split so masters weren’t deranking to silver after one season of not ranking.

[@zeronin4696]

The ranked split was the best from the old system... This season I got masters in like 1 month while this season lasts like 3. I dont plan to get pred so keep queueing kinda takes the whole point. The trials on the other hand are great. I saw barely any rats on my solo q account and ranking up is much more challenging. You *should* earn your rank. Ofc the system isnt perfect and adjustments are needed but I dont want the old system back where you had to get 8 KP to overcome the diamond lobby entry cost every game while the placement had nearly no impact on the RP

[@timothymoore2966]

Naw bro ppl really play this game for shiny badges

[@olegdusov4273]

@@zeronin4696 there is no point to begin with For a frame? Nah, most of us have better frames from store/bp

[@zeronin4696]

@@olegdusov4273 you at least still get the badge and weapon charm. I miss the sky dive trails tho

[@AviatorsVEVO]

didn't need a scientific thesis to prove apex's SBMM is turning it into a sh*t game, just play it & when you stop having fun goin up against 3 stacks of pred & master rank players, thats all the proof I needed. I stopped playing a long time ago. Fortnite's matchmaking is near flawless. sometimes I see a bot, most of the times I don't. sometimes I win, sometimes I don't. final circle's are always intense, its no guarantee i'll win, but i'm not stressed out every game either. like the Halo matchmaking guy said, the best matchmaking is a mix of intense, medium difficulty & casual matches... tournament level sweat every match fatigues even the best players & makes casuals stop playing. somebody at EA needs to take notes.

[@erikerik3823]

Really smart writing i agree 100% with you

[@suppenkaschper4686]

Ea people are stupid and never gonna change something in regards for the players

[@krabovg]

Nah matchmaking in fortnite is bs as well

[@AviatorsVEVO]

@@krabovg fort literally has bots to ease in new players. if you're having a hard time in fort you're just bad at the game. apex is hard for everybody who hasn't been playing since day-1. thats why so many people are leaving the apex & fortnite's player count is going up much faster. nobody trying to stress out playing apex. having to stay afloat in apex is like taking out a 3rd job. nobody wanna do that.

[@krabovg]

@@AviatorsVEVO bots are so boring bro and after playing for like a year or two your lobbies switch from being the most boring experience ever to the sweatfest like in apex

[@imcrankyy]

Nice vid & research man. I certainly agree that SBMM or EOMM is bad for any game mode, however I'm much more concerned with ranked play also having a hidden SBMM. Ranked play, imo, should be ENTIRELY rank based (ex. gold plays against gold, diamond plays against diamond) because without that, you'll never really know where you stack up against the competition & your rank is essentially pointless. This is the problem my friends & I are running into in basically every shooter that has a ranked mode or system. Praying for the day where a new, fun game releases with a ranked mode that's actually worth grinding because it's based solely on your current ranking.

[@timothymoore2966]

Unfortunately this is just the times we’re in now. Once you get over that mental gap you’ll be killing preds consistently and sometimes you just get rolled. If there is someone on your team selling consistently you need to address it. The game becomes stale when you play with someone constantly throwing. Basically 2v4

[@bugs2049]

Seeing Activision getting away with their SBMM in broad daylight, made me always skeptical about what's under the hood of Apex.

[@siontimmy1]

Some COD content creators has started speaking against EOMM I commented on one of EOMM is not COD problem it a whole gaming problem

[@bugs2049]

@@siontimmy1 That's the catch of "Free-To-Play"

[@TheMisterSalad]

This is exactly why I stopped playing. Grinding from silver to diamond used to be fun, you had to improve to keep up with the better players. Then diamond 3 the floodgates opened and you started to see masters and preds occasionally. I made a smurf after the mm changes just to see if noob-queue still existed, but I got sniffed out immediately. The matches were always the same, unranked or ranked, I turn around in the drop ship and its only purple and red dive trails painting the sky, even though I was unranked/bronze. This was around the time that the game started hiding the ranks of other players from you. In the past it was nearly impossible to get players in your ranked games that were outside your rank tier, or at least close. Plat 4 and diamond 4 lobbies were sooooo fun because it was only players that were your exact rank. The games were so consistent and competitive, it was a fun challenge.

[@bw8935]

I played Apex from season 1 to 20. Something definitely changed during that time. I think your right and EOMM is in Apex. I used to enjoy ranked because it was a genuine ranked system. Now it isn't ranked, it is a series of games an algorithm thinks you want. I ran experiment where I play six ranked games taking note of team mate and opponent particulars. I quickly noticed a pattern that repeated again and again. There's no ranked just a series of games, 5 of which I have no chance to enjoy or compete and one I do have a chance to enjoy. It's a Lambs and Lion set up with one Carrot and lots of Sticks . . . and I am that Donkey. Not playing Apex anymore. Great video, thank you.

[@Hestirix_plays]

You made very good arguable points. Plus i liked how quick and concise your video was. definitely liked and subbed. Goodluck

[@ShaneStapler]

3:00 glad im not the only one who listens to these sometimes lol

[@primepete]

There are no games that admit using EOMM because it destroys their image. That is why these companies refuse to break matchmaking silence, or never directly address the issue. Admitting to using EOMM is like admitting the game is rigged.

[@happenstance7530]

When they changed the SBMM or EOMM a few seasons back, they announced it like they were going to fix it and make it better but they just made it worse. It use to be like 10 to 15 games of sweaty 3 stack lobbies then they would throw you a pity lobby and if you noticed you might get a win but after they changed it that pity lobby never comes and it's just sweaty 3 stack lobbies the whole time. I'm a solo player so the MM takes extra pleasure in screwing me. I haven't played much since the change because it is literally unbearable and even if I do I can't stay on for longer than 3 matches. I was so stoked when they added TDM but I'm on console and those lobbies are full of PC players so I can't even compete in that mode either. I recently turned off crossplay and was actually able to get into some lobbies and the difference was night and day. I mean the queue was a little longer and it seemed like I was playing the same people more often but the balance was way better. Before that I tried turning crossplay off and I could not get into a lobby for over an hour if at all so I was surprised to see enough people for full lobbies. I guess other people also got sick of getting stomped by PC players. It's not like I want easy lobbies or anything, I just want lobbies that aren't full of 3 stack preds. With this type of MM I can't even tell if I'm getting better at the game because it basically decides if you win or lose. It seems like skill is no longer a deciding factor anymore. Whenever I think I'm doing good the game probably put me in a lower skilled lobby or gives me less ping than everybody else or something. It just doesn't feel natural or organic.

[@KirkVz]

i quit apex after the ASH season, i wanted either cross progression or new gen fps so i quit until a few days ago , i got back into the game and every single match i played has been 80% masters and preds , and not only had i not played for like 2 years , i literally have never even hit diamond to be getting in pred lobbies lmao , apex just puts the low ranks in pred lobbies to keep the 5 sweats that still play this game hooked

[@tdestroyer4780]

I bet if someone looked into it enough. The people who buy tons of skins get the easiest lobbies.

[@danryder3865]

I agree

[@KirkVz]

@@tdestroyer4780 I doubt it , I spent 600$+ within my first 2 months of playing apex and I have never had a lobby below masters since I started playing

[@lucajack007]

“only .2% of my viewers are subscribed “ I felt bad and subbed

[@osnopuppy]

This guy listening to that 2012 cartoon rap battle music 😂

[@JustAbetterVersion]

First also I know this a reupload your an underrated KZbinr

[@skives2070]

Haha, I noticed that the youtube algorithm immediate shunned this video, so I reuploaded with a new thumbnail and a new title to hopefully help my CTR. I appreciate the compliment a lot man, I hope you have an awesome day!

[@JustAbetterVersion]

@@skives2070 You too man

[@TheGoldenApex]

This video is crazzzy!!! I’m subbing, this vid was awesome, keep up the great work!!!🔥🔥🔥

[@Rievven]

Winning as a solo is a double edged sword. Before a win I seem to get into lobbies with few or no premade 3 stacks, and I get into a random squad. On the one hand after a win I tend to get filled into a 2 man team (same tag) with decent stats and teamwork. On the other hand the champion squads become 3 stack apex predators and every other team is running premade masters or mixed preds.

[@Ottoni174]

i think the game make the lobbies stacked when you're in trials because there is no way i win 6 games when i got to diamond and when i got into my promo trials i was going against literal pro players and other pred stacks whily i mostly had people with 2k damage badges and zero clue on how to play for position while not being a statue inside a house praying for someone not to push

[@gamer-cn5ho]

My take on it is that Apex Matchmaking is designed to gatekeeep. My friend who's really good that has Master/Pred skill level gets matched with other Masters/Preds when solo Qing me on the other had gets matched with ppl who are literally brand new to the game while facing three stack preds with 20K badges. I rarely get matched with diamond level Master level pred level players I rarely get matched with even platinum level players. The Matchmaking is so bad that my kd has went negative use to be 1.25 1.28 between that range to now begin a .99 .98 last time I checked.. I even tried to switch to tokyo server's in hopes of better teammates and I get matched with level literally thee worst players on the server they won't even let me get a gold level teammates I'm talking rookie level it's so bad that i only got 58 wins this season...... in order to truly test the Matchmaking system u need 3 things!!! A average player 1 KD or higher a terrible player .64 or lower and a really skilled player let's say 2kd or higher...... if you do that then you can really see the way the game is gatekept... all of my Master/pred friends get different Matchmaking that I.... I can even see the difference when playing with them its like we're in bot lobbies last season we had something like over 250 wins together... we were getting them back to back to back to back.... I would check the death boxes And I would see level 134 level 450 while being prestige 3 level 97 three Stacking with two multiple Xs preds.... I believe it's rigged and there's no changing my mind on that... solo Qing this season has been cruel and unusual punishment... next season I'm done with it

[@whentheycome6424]

I thought i was the only one that this happened. i just want to say it is not just ranked too... i am prestige one but they pair me up with level 64 and 34 players and put me in masters lobies. My teammates dont even know how to swap armour half the time. I hope the sbmm change next season or i am gonna call it quits.

[@Ryzilience]

@@whentheycome6424 I think it's safe to say that EA has a huge inbreeding problem in their HQ and i despise EA with a passion. I know it sounds harsh but they deserve what is coming to them! They stopped respawn trying to make nice events and extra things but EA cancels them time to time in the last 2 years. I have never owned any EA games in the last 10 years, i use to play their Underground games but that was before any money stuff happened. It's actually not Respawn's fault. The og respawn devs who left long ago would have fixed the game but they got fired or left because they weren't allowed to do anything lol.

[@wild_greebo]

I remember when they put out a blog post addressing the match making regarding queuing with friends, i.e smoothing out the ranks if a masters player queues with a silver etc. That seems to have been in effect for about a month lol. This change has absolutely been reverted because my friend who is arguably a rank or two worse than me queues with me and gets bullied by masters and preds. It just makes it frustrating for the friends who don't want to sweat their arse off every game

[@crux_dylan-4210]

I’ve peaked pred in season 2 3 4 6 11 and i by no means should be against level 30s and have level 30s and my tm8 but then I play good 1 game and every player is a current pred even tho I’m nowhere near current level this match making is horrendous it’s either you get free lobby’s or algs grand finals

[@Holyluckdan]

Shout out to epic rap battles of history 😂

[@amrimam2556]

keep up the good work. i dont even play apex anymore and this showed up on my feed but its a good quality vid and entertaining

[@hotmatrixx]

EOM is the 'hidden MMR' stat. it's not the fact that the MMR itself is hidden from the player, what they're hiding is how it matches you and why. EOMM IS WHY its an 'hidden' MMR

[@Peter-ui6ey]

Bro we have been saying this for fucking YEARS, Apex matchmaking is ASS

[@ryanreviews8566]

guys you don't have to guess: EVERY COMP GAME OUT THERE has EOMM. they're all built to get you addicted forever. ping is king/balanced mm style games are gone. the closest one to being fair comp right now is valorant. yes apex is shit like cod.

[@psilocin6739]

I started playing in season 8 and the matchmaking has never been good. Once I hit level 20 I started seeing masters players, it's incredibly frustrating. I don't play much anymore, it's just not fun.

[@FritoTheLay]

The old ranked system that had the multipliers and ranked split was the best. Being able to rat till 5th and still gain decent points is not how the game should reward players, it should be based on a mixture of KP and placement. The old system did this be valuing kills via a multiplier that goes up for placement. In this ranked system I have games where I win but only get around 3 points per KP, which makes it nearly worthless compared to how much you get from placement. It's also stupid how the max points you can realistically gain is around 250. This makes good players hang around lower ranks for way too long. I'm a master's player and it took me 2 weeks to playing 1-2 hours a day to get into mid-high plat from rookie. If there was a higher number of possible points you could gain, I would have flown passed the lower-level lobbies and not have wasted my time or ruined the experience of some gold player. Bring back old ranked!

[@skives2070]

Honestly I couldn't have said it better myself. I miss those days lol. 400 rp for winning a match in the low ranks because of high kills was so perfect because then you aren't going against low players for very long and could get to your rank pretty quick after a split. After that it's a grind to get higher but every match was pretty fair and fun.

[@FritoTheLay]

@@skives2070 exactly

[@qxiche]

I would say I'm slightly above average and half the people I've died to the past 2 weeks have been preds, masters or people with 40k kills on one character. I have 2.5k kills total and have been queued with my friend who struggles to win a 1v1 against someone with their shield cracked. There is absolutely no reason we should be matchmade against these people, even with engagement matchmaking.

[@lil_cluby]

i recently was trying to learn excel and so started to do a match history sheet for apex legends and after 290 game i saw that 31.03% were pure no doubt smurf and that 44.83% were above diamond keep in mind that i peeked at bronze 3-2. my last good game was 83 match ago. i know that i play a lot of competitive game (1.3k h on csgo 500h on r6 and 400h on apex) but i always was around average or under average in ranked and stats so thats why i dont play much apex anymore. most of my game i either get killed of drop or dont see anyone and die to my first fight. bonus: here are my average stats per game 0.79 kill per game (and i thirst every kill to push the number up) and 314.103 damage per game.

[@Fix-It-Jeff]

I gave you a new Sub just because of your thoroughness in explaining everything. Have a good day

[@yoko__3095]

As a master player i have to say that the rank system sucks. Not only isn't it fair for lower ranked players but i barely can improve myself if i only play against players that are lower ranked then me. I rather get my ass kicked from 3 stack pred teams than easily going through the whole lobby with my mates.

[@bambooboobamb3335]

If they put one good player and two mid to low-level players it would be sorted out I think for solo que and three stacks play in their own lobbies too that would be great.

[@brianhanson7686]

I got to Diamond this season in ranked and my experience for the last 5+ seasons has been constantly that my trios matchmaking gives me far harder games than my ranked experience. Its so messed up and I would REALLY like that to stop being the case.

[@hunter66630]

pub matches should be 100% random (players under level 100 should not go against players over level 100 though) But once you reach level 100, pub matchmaking should just be 100% random. That way some matces would be super easy, other matches would be super hard. The whole point of having a ranked system is to fight people at your own skill level, but if you also play against your own skill level in pub matches, there is no point of having 2 different game modes...

[@WaffleLoverMekk]

thats the thing, the matchmaking puts 3 stack pred teams into gold and silver ranked lobbies...

[@veegamer9417]

Damn, I guess the algorithm thinks that I must love getting mowed down by level 12 smurfs…

[@whentheycome6424]

underrated comment 🤣

[@SadGhst]

I started playing Apex in Season 16, got Master in s17(Everyone did lol), didn't play much ranked in s18 but got to gold, and now I'm Master in s19. I'm on console, so the game just may not have too many middle tier players, but ALL of my pub lobbies are filled with 20k+ triple pred badge players, whereas I have a total of maybe 6k kills lol. I don't really mind sweating, I actually enjoy ranked more than pubs, but it is really demotivating when you can't really tell if you are getting better or not because the game decides to only fill your lobbies with the top 1% of players. The only way I can see my improvement is my overall kd going up by a tiny bit, but going from 1.30 to 1.31 doesn't really tell me much lmao.

[@spicy_bis0n256]

so eomm is why i always get solo in 3s

[@vaodinYT]

I'm starting to think that fps will have to return to it's base of random matching in pubs. Hardcore players aren't going to put up with this forever

[@trustme2001]

The system is really set up to punish good to average players. Not only are you placed facing three stacks with Master and pred badges. The system also handicaps you with teammates that are not as good as you. Expecting you to carry them. Which I don't think it's fair.

[@DR-ni3ct]

I appreciate what you're doing with the testing. 10 games seems like a good start, but is a REALLY really small sample size. Any chance we can get more data?

[@skives2070]

Sorry for the late reply. 10 games took me many hours to get through, and that was one of the reasons I stopped there. The other reason being, I have no idea how quickly the matchmaking system shifts the skill level of players you are playing with, meaning that if my data is constantly shifting, I could have a potentially skewed graph, giving inaccurate results. 10 games gave me an almost 600 player sample size, and to compile that into data was incredibly monotonous. I appreciate the comment, and I hope you have an awesome day!!

[@doctorrogue1923]

Yeah I have basically stopped playing cause of EOMM, its just not fun to go against nothing but masters and preds

[@raph2415]

Ranked also has SBMM and I couldn't be more certain. I started playing the game this season (s19), and quickly got the mechanics and concepts down (consistent movement, quite decent aim)... The game was quite enjoyable at the beginning and I was eager to queue ranked. Boy was I wrong... I stumbled upon masters after masters, tier 3 lvl 200+ levels opponents (which makes a total of 1700 LEVELS), and mostly dying to diamonds / masters in my lobbies. Guess my rank? Bronze 1. I'm bronze 1 and can't get even a glimpse of silver due to the 4k20b masters ruining my ranked experience. And I'm writing this comment at the end of s19, which has left plenty of time for those masters to grind their ranks back. Also I've been solo queueing through the whole process, and just got put against a 470 pred from last season yesterday, and I got paired with previous season silvers... We obviously didn't stand a chance and this guy ended the game with 17 kills, ruining basically everyone's fun due to the stupid matchmaking. This ranked system makes absolutely no sense to me, and I'll more than likely leave the game after my 400hs mark is done if they don't change this. Having a wonderful game but a stupid ranked matchmaking prevents any player from estimating their skill level and having a goal to reach, which will eventually result in a dying ranked and the whole game, given enough time.

[@Jdrunnin]

Uh oh that's me

[@nogoodcharlesgaming]

I've been yelling this for like three seasons now and everybody told me I'm just bad when im literally fighting 3 stack preds as a diamond with silver team mates cause the eomm thinks i want a challenge 😂

[@Rizzed_and_ready_to_jizz]

“No way I’m hitting 200 again” enjoy the 500 my guy

[@illuminate427]

I'm getting tired of playing a game that's built to manipulate me into playing. I just want to play becuase the game is fun, not because Respawn is trying to subconsciously bate me into playing more. What the fuck has happened to gaming?

[@fiyure]

Bearly played the for a few seasons, decided to rank up a bit got to silver, dropped got destroyed by a really good player, Looked at card, saw name Verhulst, logged off, haven’t played since. Apex is a perfect game

[@TheRealGrubGobbler97]

quitting apex has been the best thing in my life ever

[@KingZel]

as a solo Q er its BAD i get terrible teammates

[@LootShaman]

The way we play now, cause we’re not good, is treating the Predators in match as The Final Boss. You can’t even compare to Dark Soul. 😅

[@johnconklin1934]

Id even argue making sbmm to tight gives higher skill players an even greater skill disparity as sbmm accelerates player improvement. Similar to playground mode being added to fortnite. Im over 2kd lifetime and 4k hours and even so the game has become a job in itself. My competitiveness hasnt left but weve hit a point where the juice isnt worth the squeeze anymore. Heck my friends have long left for other titles. Might even explain palworlds recent success. The game literally dictates how much fun you can have. Gaming used to mean freedom. I miss when there was room for shenanigans and experimentation. Now you need to stick to meta and grind mechanics to enjoy pubs.

[@zeronin4696]

True rank matchmaking or sbmm makes no big difference imo. If they would only match gold players together im pretty sure you would still get railed by smurfs or cheater accounts. At least with sbmm i will see the name of that roller cfg pred who ran through my lobby

[@timothymoore2966]

Alright man you need to work on that sarcasm, regardless I’ll sub. Appreciate the time and effort you put into this video for us.

[@BatakBule]

I played Pubs, they ruined it... I started ranked... season later, they ruined it. Only Mix Tape was left, season 20, they ruined it too.. nothing to play anymore... hope some better game comes out soon and its not from EA

[@Mrowemr.pp2]

Well right now eomm or just sbmm makes me never want to play apex again I hardly can handle 3 games and thats in season 21 EVERY SINGLE GAME is just full of 3 stacks and I cant win any games I dont get how respawn cant make a good matchmaking system isn't that part of being a game design studio especially if your going to create a pvp battle royale its actually just annoying and Its unbelievable that they haven't changed a thing for the better ever since they destroyed it in season 16

[@SkipPyP00S]

I am new player. After I won my first 2 bot games I went into solo and after doing my best I still died 22 times and managed to make only 2 kills. And guess what. I still get matchmaked against people with over 1000 kills or 300lvl +. It doesn't make sense. It seems that I am just pray for better players. Wtf?

[@Mrowemr.pp2]

@@SkipPyP00SI've played apex since season 14 and the matchmaking in season 14 and 15 was fine it wasn't perfect by any means but at least it wasn't every game and you could actually stand a chance. I hope your future games go better man especially since your a new player👍🏽 And I hope you find a legend that you enjoy playing!

[@SkipPyP00S]

@@Mrowemr.pp2 nah I am not gonna play it and gift free fun to sweats

[@Mrowemr.pp2]

@@SkipPyP00S Lmao I get that tbh

[@jordenmitchell8025]

Yes to everything in the video but we should mention how punishing this game is to solo Q players like my self along with the promo trials has made it impossible

[@RobynPGoodfellow]

SHEEEEESH! you added my stats in there lmao

[@an-actual-attack-helicopter]

I just started playing. Never have i lost so consistently in every game. I keep seeing so many fancy high level players in random non ranked lobbies. idk i might just be bad but still.

[@light-4291]

Overwatch and Call of Duty since Mw2019 are using the same EOMM Hidden mmr forced 50% winrate bullshit.

[@MikamoLimo]

the matchmaker is a total catasthrophe and ruins the game for me as a casual just bc i do good sometimes i immediately get sweaty bald wraith 4k 20 bomb player next match (my best is 9 kills in pubs and like 2.9k ~ish damage btw) when i watch hiswattson sometimes he gets into lobbies in pred ranked where he can just walk around in the open without any issue when i do that in bronze im dead in like 2 seconds

[@RazielGir]

I was a regular player since launch. I usually solo to plat 3 or 2 then stop cause it got too grindy. Now, I'm barely moving at all as I'm fighting plat and higher since starter rank and I don't have time to grind as much. I hate it and barely play anymore. Loving the finals tho.

[@minkoblinko5693]

ive completely disregarded the game having sbmm when im a player who just opens the game every once in a while (every season badge is level 1 except for a couple that are like level 20-40), gets like 1 or 2 kills a game, have just under 300 hours in the game, only have 31 lifetime wins, am only rookie 1 in ranked and my account level is 146, and i have been getting killed by unhittable tap strafing 20 kill 4k damage masters badge horizon mains every single match. ive even been killed by 3 3 time predators with one of them being #9 this season, and 2 matches killed by 1 time predators, and a match with a wraith with 10 million damage and the 5 win streak badge. for the first half of this season ive been screenshotting every masters and higher player ive been killed by because of how unfair it is but i just stopped because past the 21st screenshot in a row i knew it was just gonna happen every single game

[@its4D4]

I started playing a few days ago (never played apex at all in the past), I am level 9 and i was in lobbies against triple stacked Pred and Master players....

[@RobynPGoodfellow]

literally fucked

[@maxm.6169]

its like drowning you and baptizing you to get on their level lol.

[@SenRa07]

my highest rank in apex was platinum and in pubs i get 9 out of 10 times killed by some dude that either has tripple pred badge or 20 kill bomb + 4K Hammer badges, i never got a 4K hammer badge myself or anything like this. the worst is my friends i play with are even worse players than me and they have worse time than me playing this game, thier K/D is averaged at 0.2 to 0.6 i don't think it would be nearly as bad if they would play on thier own, or if we would not fight so hard teams every single time.

[@hunter66630]

I personally only play ranked when I play Apex, I don't see a point in playing pubs when it's basically just ranked without an actual visible rank... I really can't play apex all the time anymore, it's just not fun to sweat every time you play the game. I usually take a break for a few seasons, come back and grind my way to masters in a season, and then leave apex for a couple of seasons, and then repeat. That way I don't burn out, but I wish pubs was more like back in the early days of apex.

[@lvl37magikarp]

got you G awesome edit

[@Highskill3r]

im not getting younger. i want a normal experience in pubs and if i wanna sweat i can play ranked. but if pubs are already this sweaty then theres no point for me to play ranked because im already pretty exhausted.

[@wkndwarrior4733]

I’m hard stuck in gold4 , I died to a conduit last night who had 11,000 r301 kills paired with a pathfinder who had 10,000 r99 kills. Yesterday I died to a 3 stack Pred team. The guy had three pred badges and current pred rank 111. However I will say I had several wins the past couple of days and was also in lobby where my team had 30 squad kills totals. My highest ever I would imagine. That could be what put me in that lobby

[@Ben_Gates]

Higher skilled players make up less of the player base but also play at least twice if not three to four times as much as bronze to gold players. Meaning they're the pool thats going to be more available to pull from.

[@skives2070]

You know, this is actually a huge thing I wanted to talk about but there is no information released to the public about playtime and rank. Only EA has that information sadly :( Even the information I got was hard to come by. Lots of error in my charts due to the fact that many people had hidden profiles. I wish I had access to the data they had, but if I did I wouldnt need to do experiments haha

[@PeepTheHues]

Doesn’t rank inflation complicate things. I think it was S17 where people could hide in ranked matches and still get RP without being good at the game. For this reason, it should appear like they are more higher skilled players than there actually are at least when looking at badges in general. If you are only taking badges from current season into account in your analysis this mitigates this concern I think. Perhaps there’s another way to measure skill to complement this analysis? I don’t know what data is available but things like win percentages, kills, damage, etc… might help when aggregated over a decent chunk of time.

[@omegaPhix]

3:20 So this test is about matchmaking in pubs? Current rank or peak rank? If you used peak rank the data is absolutely useless because of the rat season like S17 Would be more interesting to see this done in ranked. So many people crying about running into 3 stack preds as "silvers"

[@JohnSmith-zk3kd]

I'm in silver 1 and fight 3 stack preds in ranked the difference is I used to be a pred but the MMR is so high its absolutely brutal I'm in pred lobbies gain the exact same LP with a slight bonus while fighting master/pred stacks as a solo que is practically unwinnable because my MMR is so high it still puts lower end teammates with me to get a "fair match". I did this on an alt account as well my mains is a 1.6kd and my alts is a 4.8kd and I was in a ranked game with reptar and wethepeople the second match and my account was rookie 3. The main issue with the ranked system is that since my MMR was already high and I am technically preforming at my skill level it never bumps me down a tier so im playing against top level players without much wiggle room and with 2 crayon munchers by my side getting 1 clipped.

[@omegaPhix]

@@JohnSmith-zk3kd Dude, you're a top 1% level player so you belong in top 1% lobbies and get a bonus to reach a higher visual rank a bit faster. That's how it works in any game. You'd absolutely smurf on lobbies below diamond. Teammates are a mixed bag. I'm Diamond 1 currently and don't think that i've ever gotten a current season master in my team

[@JohnSmith-zk3kd]

@@omegaPhixI know I'd Smurf diamond lobbies I did it s13 when diamond was top 1% and in 14-15-16. My issue is I'm not getting compensated for level of competition I'm playing against I don't like enjoy farming bots but also don't enjoy fighting 3 stack Preds/Masters running me down. Even professional players and content creators have stopped doing solo to masters because it is just nearly impossible to do it without an insane amount of luck on your side, you're simply not winning in those lobbies solo without god himself on your side making the stars align for you to win you're on your trials. If pro players can't make it to your highest rank solo que and pred players can't you're ranked system is completely broken. The ranked system also isnt competitive for top players since they just roll lobbies with ease do to MMR not actually being accurate.

[@blackstorm4735]

A really easy way to get easy lobbies is by playing 3 strikes. Because you die 3 times per game (except if you win), the game will think you're doing horrible, so when you play normal mode after that, you will have absolute BOTS against you.

[@marmelado_youtube]

My investigations has shown that the system tries to give you 20% good teammates and 80% bad teammates, which is roughly equivalent to 20% wins and 80% defeats. To my surprise, it works. And if the sum of your successful matches (not only wins, just more kills/dmgs) is above 20%, then the system will make your game worse. If below 20%, then improve. Perhaps the developers are using 20% as a constant.

[@mikejackson5658]

I’m not sure if you were trying to make a distinction between ranked and pubs but the example used was an LTM. Not sure how or even if the MMR is applied to LTMs but I will say that MMR isn’t used in normal pubs or at least not applied fully like ranked. I tried and made it to diamond several seasons in a row. I had in the first 10 seasons quit at Plat because I really didn’t care to grind to go further with the split and all. This season, after really not playing two ranked seasons, I am typically matched vs predators when I am bronze. They either were or currently are at that rank. Either way the system kinda sucks. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@zaaniha]

Once, my squad was level 7 and 9, (i was level 95) and the champion squad had an apex predator, yeah sbmm at it's finest

[@redshift1058]

You're wrong about the intention of eomm and about how smart it is. Eomm simply means "put this person into as many lobbies as they can handle losing and then throw them a bone with an easy win." It's based entirely on the concept of how gamblers get addicted to gambling. It's not applied smartly either. It mostly puts you in lobbies that are completely impossible or way too easy. There is nothing at all wrong with SBMM. anyone who seriously argues that they hate sbmm cos they just want to chill is just saying that they want sh*t on other people and ruin their gaming experience for a while until they're ready to go back to battling people who have the same skill as them. People who argue against sbmm are truly sad and would probably also enjoy playing basketball against a bunch of 5 year olds as a full grown adult. They'd probably also celebrate when they win. Just pathetic. 😂

[@arthurbakibinga5921]

Carry me lol nice video

[@cedricfratus-nolen6520]

Yeah even in the old system I was getting jumped by triple preds in pubs

[@Rhapsody_]

According to Apex Legends SBMM, I am secretly a Predator Rank considering how I keep getting placed in Pred lobbies 9 out of every 10 matches.

[@dennisgordon7767]

Here is a scary thing to consider. - what if the majority of apex players now are good players and we dont have enough new players to make it 80% lobby average 20% good. What if the total player pool of average players is now less than 50%

[@goliathsauce7919]

The matchmaking is so unfair… i just started playing again this season since season 0. I have been trying to to learn as much as i can because everybody is so damn good. Been competing against masters since silver and somehow managed to get to diamond and now its predators in every fucking game… its not even fun anymore

[@xGiRoNiiK]

not having SBMM would get boring quick having low skilled / bad teammates more often. personally there's nothing that makes me stop wanting to win than teammates who don't deserve to win

[@girthatbirth]

not true at all lol the game didn’t have SBMM in season 1-3 and old cods didn’t have it and they were fine

[@L3tsFnGoDumDuM]

When I was level 20 something I was getting killed by level 400s, I’m level 90 now and yesterday got killed by someone with over 28k kills and one over 33k , I have like 54 kills, I’m bout to quit this game cuz I wanna play for fun and I can’t beat players that are one clipping me from across the map

[@SlippyStoik]

How that Cronus working out for you? Preciate the vid though.😂 edit: I was wrong about this being on controller, mb. Nice jitter aim.😅

[@tyler0075]

Hes a PC player tho

[@skives2070]

Whats a cronus lmao

[@SlippyStoik]

you're right. I didn't notice. I thought that r-301 aim was a little too on target, but was wrong. Its jitter aiming then. @@tyler0075

[@SlippyStoik]

@@skives2070 its how people cheat on console using no recoil scripts and stuff

[@skives2070]

@@SlippyStoikohhhh I see, I thought cheating on console was impossible still ngl. maybe I will make a video on it lol

[@itzdcx]

just stop playing the game its plain & simple y'all realize if y'all stop playing it or spending money on it it would cause them to panic and get their shlt get together and actually fix the game

[@glintcoretheprotogen]

i hate matchmaking. i never get good games. i just die die die. in my prientations mayches, i didnt even win, because of smurfs. i have to play passive to get into the top 10

[@Velly2g]

Apex, COD, all matchmaking in games are fine. Imagine wanting to play solo, you load in the game and your teammates are level 50 and you're on third prestige. Then your opponents are 3 stack pred players just rolling through pubs getting their kill count up. Would that be fun for solo players? They already have data that shows people quit games faster when they're getting rolled by people that are better than them.

[@timothymoore2966]

Basically sums up my experience and somehow I still manage to drop bombs. What’s the difference?

[@18dlunar]

just downloaded the game for the first time and got put into lobbys with people that got like 1000+ kills in there banner and some stupidly high level in unranked what the actuall.... i got a loss streak of atleast 5 but nothing seemed to have changed

[@Toniestbook]

Until my matchmaking doesn’t actively screw me over im going to just not play the game

[@sirsimon6562]

They removed the rank when you spectate a person. This could have been a move to implement ebmm without people noticing who don't use 3rd party software.

[@6yx6yx6yx]

The matchmaking is just plain horrible. As a solo, they just put you with players who are clueless to the game. Dont know when to engage, when to stop engaging etc. I gave up playing this shit.

[@JCPAnimation]

Season 20: I played against a squad that had 2 players who were pred multiple sessons in a gold lobby when it was weeks after the season dropped so pros shouldn't be here but it kept happening multiple times and then I would fight people that were so bad at the game I was surprised that they even hit the install button SKMM is weird

[@DustinAllen-dh1in]

Every so often. It's how you get better.

[@anjunakrokus]

Random matchmaking is worse than you portrail due to two factors. Lets assume that 1% of players is a Master or pred and roughly 4% is Diamond (it varies between seasons, but these seem decent enough estimates). The probability that a player is not a master or pred = 99%, with 59 other players in your lobby, that means that the chance that there are no masters or preds in that lobby is (99%)^59 = 55%. So there is at least 1 Master or Pred in your lobby 45% of the time. Using Diamonds, Masters, or Preds, this changes from 99% chance to 95% chance that a player isn't a Diamonds+, and a measily (95%)^59 = 5% chance that there are no Diamond+ in you lobby. So there is at least 1 Diamond, Master, or Pred in your lobby 95% of the time. If you are a Gold or lower, you are essentially fucked by this system almost every game. The current system is bad, agreed. But with these huge lobbies, random matchmaking is also going to be bad, unless you get to be the Master wrecking mostly bronzes to golds.

[@Mike-zb8cd]

I agreed with everything untill the end. I play in a trio, ive never made it past plat, my wife diamond, and our third hasnt made it past silver and our lobbies r nothing but preds in pubs.

[@ProblemOfficer3000]

Had a friend try apex recently, made a new account and everything, this man hasnt played an FPS in years, so much so he forgets that right click is ADS, this is the skill level we are talking about here. Within 5 games of pubs (where he had 0 kills each game) he went against a 3 stack of 10.000+ kills players, lmao

[@BearsAudioEmporium]

It's just frustrating. This game is great, the FPS and movement mechanics feel genuinely balanced. I wish it wasn't just a cash grab by worthless CEO's. I have spent $20 since Season 2, and will continue to never spend a singular dime.

[@LapineLait]

this morning i was playing ranked and i was put in the number one life line's lobby I'm bronze btw

[@stravocado]

well then according to Apex I’m an only fans girl cause it keeps making me get ran through🤦🏽‍♂️

[@whentheycome6424]

🤣

[@sparkyenergia]

Something is broken about matchmaking and Respawn don't have the competence in house any more to fix it. They are doing the only thing they can do. Justifying it.