Proof Chess.com Has a Cheating Crisis.

[@Willeinhelm]

This rook sac in 3 seconds is hilarious xD this made it 100% obvious. the account is still not banned . i wonder when this happens. great video!

[@jacksarkisian]

hahah yeah its pretty insane. i think only a Chess.com fairplay analyst could answer the questions we have, and they never would give insights to how their anticheat works to prevent workarounds. it does make you wonder how much people are getting away with. glad you enjoyed though bro

[@Wielkie-Ksiestwo-Slupskie]

Rxf5 is slightly beliveable, becouse the premis is to open the king and then go with Rg1, normal attacking moves

[@Benjamin-1776-]

@@Wielkie-Ksiestwo-Slupskie in 3 seconds?

[@asztapaszta9]

Yeah, I spend much more than 3 seconds just on tilting if i mouse slip...

[@DarthVader-wk9sd]

@@Benjamin-1776- The thing is anyone can play a move quickly without thinking just like they can make any blunder, he says outright in the video that a sample size of one isn't enough yet claims he is 100% sure after that, very hypocritical

[@daremate6370]

One time i thought my opponent was cheating and it turned out to be hikaru on a speedrun lmaooo

[@Stardash81]

Lol

[@Tsardoz]

Badge of honour, that!

[@MHCryptics]

lucky!

[@JP_LDN582]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ImNotHereToArgueFacts]

Hikaru on a speedrun is cheating. But because he has a title, they promote it. If it were an untitled player...cheating investigation/accusations.

[@cod4148]

it's time to join your local chess club

[@bgill7475]

What if they use the bead strat?

[@Krullfath]

@@bgill7475 Have a faster vibrating bead yourself hehe

[@newfaith912]

@@bgill7475 you join the club.

[@ThortheMerciless]

Most couldn't be arsed.

[@You2oob]

Nice one ​@@ThortheMerciless

[@anday7421]

Whenever I suspect someone of cheating against me, I take a look at their account and then watch them play the next few games live. It becomes really obvious very quickly, if they are.

[@ABSayysO]

@@Rastoropny LOL

[@hadyalbagu8615]

@@Rastoropnybro 🤣

[@anday7421]

@Rastoropny I get what you're going for here, lol. I just get a kick of them getting banned.

[@Daybriel]

@@anday7421what did he say man I need to know!

[@capitalschool8765]

As a low-level player, it is really common to find opponents who play really badly, and then suddenly become wizards in the middle and end games.

[@worldsbestwatcher3735]

I was told by a cheater from a certain country that cheating was a method of learning and then I was shamed for criticizing them for trying to learn. Good grief.

[@Circa1989]

I can already tell you mean India hahah.

[@euge2175]

Ngl I thought it would be Indonesia

[@worldsbestwatcher3735]

@Circa1989 that was just a lucky guess

[@monkeyglory2905]

​@@euge2175Indonesia is kinda weird, I played decently and I got accused by Indonesian bcos I took too long to move, i just made a damn coffee

[@wolfhard2420]

LOL, we all know these countries. It is even worse on weekends

[@aarongull5]

I think worse than the obvious cheaters are the smurf accounts. I wish they would stop banning the cheaters and just pair them up against other suspected cheaters. It seems like a problem that will never go away.

[@Toshinben]

How many smurf accounts are there? How do you distinguish cheating from smurfing?

[@josueramirez7247]

@@ToshinbenI define smurfing (aka sandbagging) as basically rigging the matching system so you play rated games or tournaments against opponents who are definitely weaker than you. Smurfs don’t necessarily have to use assistance to win. Instead they might tilt or lose on purpose so their rating is lower than their real strength. I’m not sure how common it is, but I think people who do it are cheating in a way because they are keeping their rating artificially low just so they can get feel good about winning I guess.

[@md.shahiduttarif2831]

@@josueramirez7247am i technically a smurf? I recently created a speedrun account and beat lower rated players than me but i didnt purposely lose to make other people lose elo i just wanted to make a speedrun account. Im currently 1906 on that account.

[@aarongull5]

@@Toshinben when someone has a new account or huge rating difference in time controls and play way above that level. We see how popular speed runs are for our favorite streamers. I have less of a problem with those because you get a rating refund but would love to see an option to not get paired up against them.

[@MrSupernova111]

Chesscom encourages smurf accounts. That's why there are so many "Speedruns" on youtube.

[@ResonantFrequency-sn9ud]

I had a paid account and would always get refunded elo for cheaters. I started a new account (unpaid) and haven't been refunded elo in 898 games..

[@ResonantFrequency-sn9ud]

I also often have win streaks of 7 to 8 games, I just don't have accuracy over 90% for all the games. My elo atm is about 1550 but my peak is 1710 about two months ago.

[@jacksarkisian]

i'm not 100% sure on this but it would make sense if paid accounts on Chess.com had priority when it comes to in-game reports which might explain the anomaly. just a guess though & you'd need someone that works for Chess.com to know for sure but i'm fairly certain this exists for other games reporting systems. there are also many exceptions to the winstreak rule. for example, someone who has 2400 Blitz but is rated only 2100 Rapid will be far more likely to have large winstreaks as they're playing at a level lower than they should be. i wouldn't be surprised if you fall into that bracket also.

[@bananamonkeygaming14]

i have 4324 games on my account and my elo was refunded 5 times, all of them in 2021

[@jacksarkisian]

@@ResonantFrequency-sn9ud winstreaks on their own have exceptions. for example if someone is 2400 Blitz, but playing at 2100 Rapid they're more likely to have higher winstreaks than someone else their level. this is simply because they're playing below their skill level. you probably fit into that bracket considering your rating swings, if you go down 200 Elo, you'll have big winstreaks on your way back up to where you belong.

[@greenpony2817]

My rapid rating is about 1650 now. Peak was 1730. I've played 3400 games in 2,5 years, and had 5 (!!!) rating compensations.

[@rzutkikuc4703]

Last weekend I played 50 blitz games. I lost most of them (I'm not a good player anyway). When I entered the game this weekend, suddenly my rank was 100 elo higher. I checked wtf is going on, and of 50 opponents 27 (!!!) were banned (was there a mass banning happening last week?). That's OVER 50% of my opponents... Online chess currently make no sense.

[@PAlt-p6y]

54% of players weren't cheating. It's a garbage site that uses a garbage method. I'm a titled player and got "caught" for cheating only playing bullet. Obviously, that's not physically possible. I got asked to send them my driver's license and birth certificate and to use my real name. I won't let those effing nut cakes doxx me when they get mad. They will be gone within 6y.

[@Ididkdhdjjsjsjsjsbbdvdjdjn7373]

that doesnt make sense, because the rating loss average is 8 you would have gained around 200-240 points

[@BeSk9991]

@@Ididkdhdjjsjsjsjsbbdvdjdjn7373 might have meant "100 elo higher" (than before those 50 games). If he lost 33 games and won 17, with 8 points gain / loss and then was refunded for 27 games it would mean only 6 losses and 17 wins - 11 games "profit" = around 90 ELO higher. As those losses are "nulled out".

[@pyropulseIXXI]

@@BeSk9991 Super obvious, but you still had to explain it to this guy; props to you

[@teehee1013]

I player a cheater otb in a national tournament who was cheating. There was no checks or anything being done so he would just leave on my turn go the bathroom and come back but i still managed to draw the game because he got to 5 minutes while i still had over an hour left, I sacrificed my knight for his promoting pawn which complicated the game and i managed to draw him.

[@jacksarkisian]

bro played the guy with a phone in his sock 😭😭

[@kenmccarty6229]

I once started playing a guy and I suddenly got diarrhea. It was a seriously painful experience! And I'm sure he got suspicious until I started making mistakes and lost the game. I was constantly going to the bathroom. I was much younger and much more embarrassed back then. It happens.

[@brainletsYT]

post his name or your comment means nothing

[@UnbearableYT]

Not everyone wants to dox themselves​@@brainletsYT

[@90sK1dFOr3v3r]

@@brainletsYT You want him to be messy just to prove his point. Gtfoh being gaslighting.

[@binks2413]

If i lose i say my opponent is cheating. If i win i say nothing

[@ronald3836]

gg

[@mrGhost212]

same 😂 I never cared if opponent was cheating when i was 1200-1500 but now that I am 2070, I always think that opponent is cheating when they play good moves/ plays some random opening that clearly gives them disadvantage but its not always the case tho. I myself play cow's opening and similar stuff that are super bad but no one prepares for that so I get away with trash opening every single time, i save a lot of time and its easier to attack king if its castling short

[@jaspertsai6949]

Kramnik is that u

[@mrGhost212]

@@jaspertsai6949 😂

[@ruxp12]

Man, you literally put every point ive wanted to say for years into one video and explain it perfectly. Thank you so much. This was seriously cathartic.

[@pawnquacker]

Rapid games always feel like a 50-50 with the player pool. Thanks for the video! Unfortunately, online chess will always have some cheaters, so for your own sanity, take it with a grain of salt and focus on improving yourself. And most importantly, always have fun!

[@motsy15]

Despite what the various experts say, they simply cannot catch a smart cheater.

[@frottery]

what "expert" says they can catch smart cheaters? if someone is using an engine for 1 move each game, that's not detectable and obviously has a positive impact on elo over many games

[@NearlyInfinity]

​@frottery none, most high level gms say that a gm that was cheating would be next to impossible to catch if they are naturally gm anyway then just knowing the eval is enough to give a significant boost

[@davep7176]

Soemone might be 2200+ and blunder their queen just by being a mixed of tired (playing several games in a row) and drunk/high or just simply losing concentration due to other people in his room talking to him etc. It's not impossible imo

[@jacksarkisian]

definitely not impossible but highly unlikely and as i said in the video, it cannot be your sole piece of evidence to prove they were cheating (unless you have some highly advanced and reliable AI generative learning anticheat that says otherwise). but clearly even though that sample size was too small, they were cheating in other games and were banned for it. the instance in this game simply backs up the fact that they were cheating and is useful in hindsight.

[@davep7176]

@@jacksarkisian Yeah I did realise your point. I was just picking on semantics I suppose where you had said "it's impossible to happen at this rank" or something. Not a big deal, I definitely didn't mean it as a criticism. You made a good point about "closet cheaters" that I hadn't really considered so much.

[@sunway1374]

At least twice my finger slipped on the screen and I moved a piece to the next square of the one I intended.

[@davep7176]

@@sunway1374 true that. Happened to me lots that

[@SteveMeek]

Online I'm 2500. I've got a few thousand games and have never blundered my queen to a 1 mover. Had my queen trapped a few times but that's a different story

[@Knighttwister]

my question is when should you be reporting people? I'd say I'm a trustworthy person so when accounts look suspicious, I usually give them the benefit of the doubt. I kind of tell myself it doesn't matter anyway because if I am as good as I think I am I'll just win back the elo anyway.

[@connormckenzie9266]

There’s also an issue of the Chess Admins just not banning people. I had undeniable proof of this 700 elo cheater who crushed me while I was almost 1700 who regularly cheats and admits to in DM’s and after sending proof and screenshots they said they would do something and yet he is still playing

[@hulki-orra]

Give the account name, we'll report too.

[@TheLfamily24]

I’ve done this and followed up and the second time they banned them

[@connormckenzie9266]

@@hulki-orra mewtwo444 go look at their best win and then some of their recent games, TaeJota another account around 1500 also lost to this cheater

[@tylerantony7399]

Speedrunning cheating sagas have taught us that cheating arms races in online/video games are a losing proposition. Any forensic criteria is inevitably absorbed by cheating systems, and then the cheating becomes so subtle and complex that humans can no longer actually find unambiguous forensic criteria to out the cheating. You could probably implement something like this and improve things for about 6 months to 1 year before some subtler cheaters dominate the ecosystem while leaving none of the identifiable traces that skilled chess players can normally use against cheaters that were less sophisticated than that.

[@Yinya]

Very well documented, thanks for bringing awareness to this issues

[@jacksarkisian]

thankyou bro but i do still believe it'll be in vain until someone with a larger following covers the topic. i've built a great community of people over the years and i think my voice is heard a lot more than others but the issue is simply too big for someone like me.

[@beam5655]

10% being cheaters (and only confirmed no less) is insane. I'm only a casual chess player, but I play other online competitive games and those have no where near as many cheaters from what I can tell. I guess its just the way chess works, it's so easy and accessible to cheat, and cheating is extremely powerful.

[@marshallbeck9101]

Those games you play online are flooded with cheaters don’t kid yourself

[@tonynussbaum]

I got accused of cheating yesterday. Took it as a compliment.😂

[@neerajpawar4531]

MEE TOO

[@tomino5201]

I was accusing someone than i check our precision and it was 40 for both than i was quiet :D

[@tyrellwreleck4226]

I got suspended for a week for losing too many games. They called me a sandbagger. Then after a week they banned my opponents for cheating. I already quit chess before i knew it. Better get something more fun to do that value your time.

[@אלעדר]

What's your ELO?

[@HEHE_BOYYYY]

me too😂 because i played with 100 accuracy my opponent reported me… (100 accuracy in 12 moves)

[@whenthingsfly4283]

Thought that this might be clickbait content but decided to look anyway. Glad I did, this was a much more in-depth and level-headed discussion video than I was anticipating. I guess this is one of the joys of being an actual strong player, you run into a lot more cheaters; it seems that other sites also have a similar issue when they hit this bracket.

[@davidc5191]

While I don't play online and only play in over-the-board tournaments (because I see 3-dimensional positions better than flat 2-D ones onscreen), I'm not too concerned about cheaters in these casual games where no money is involved. Cheaters in online tournaments with prize money, however, is entirely different.

[@jacksarkisian]

100% agree that more priority should be given to prized events - but its the covering up of a real issue that concerns me. Chess.com insisting time and time again on the latest State of Play's that there isn't a big cheating problem in regular play and that they're doing "everything they can" to do their part. at the end of the day people pay good money for memberships, and invest hours of playtime on the platform and half of them don't even know a sizeable amount of their opponents are using engine assistance. if it were more publicly known i'm sure people would just switch platforms, however i think its been swept under the rug for far too long.

[@lucianorodriguez7726]

No man, some of us want to do a 20, 30 or an hour of competitive and fun time per day playing chess at home, and because it's not a pay tournament it does not mean that it's ok or it's not a big problem, it's the time of people that want to learn and improve. How many people maybe stop playing chess after a brutal loss against a cheater but they never knew it?

[@sunway1374]

Chess players don't understand what 3D positions mean. When you play with real chess pieces and board, it's still 2D. Chess with 3D positions has multiple layers and pieces can move between the layers. In Star Trek, they play 3D chess. Although the rules are not explained.

[@Paamejer]

OTB is still 2 dimensional, its not like u can lower ur pawn into the ground

[@kenmccarty6229]

@@lucianorodriguez7726 A serious player is not going to stop playing because of a single or even a series of crushing losses. It happens period. You learn from the experience. Yes it is not pleasant but you still learn from the experience.

[@AprilIrvin-c1i]

People worry too much about cheaters , myself i dont play online but most of my games are vs stockfish and lc0 and other engines . The engines are strong but not god like .i only play people over the board .im sure i play 500 to 1 more computer games than vs human .i can predict the computer moves like 95 percent of the time does not mean i can stop what i know they are planning . My point is win lose or draw you should embrace every game you play as a learning experience in the his great game of chess . I can see getting mad if a guy cheats over there he board but online if i ever played there would assume the person i was playing was stockfish .

[@ChessEnthusiast1]

i had a win streak of 9 wins in a row in rapid chess and went from low 1800s to 1925 until i played a player whose account is only 11 days old and his accuracy was 94% and he won the game and the way he won the game was insane , but after that lost i won 3 games in a row and now i am at 1935 , i do face cheaters but not to the point that it's effecting my elo gains which is fine by me

[@gredax]

Both cheaters by this posters standards

[@ExperimentalKana]

i did cheat once to see how easy it is. If you ever use engine assist you will know how easy it is. What if you use one move? 2? 3? 4? The thing is a clever player can never be caught online. However it is utterly useless since you don't gain skill and only egoboost for a number. pretty sad

[@jmc597]

I know this is an example of ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ but how about when you recognize a cheater in your game you cheat as well? Yeah, I know, you have to be certain but it’s often unmistakable. Many times in my games a player blunders a piece then suddenly plays like a grandmaster.

[@ronald3836]

Unless you are a GM, you cannot judge in real-time that they play like a GM.

[@yellowphoenix9803]

Amazing video, much of it was things ive thought but never took time to look over (closet cheaters, account time, etc) thanks for actually bringing these things to light

[@Saltywengiell]

2:50 Literally grandmasters do stupid blunders and ,,at this level'' of 2300 elo its absolutely possible.

[@Study_Reverie]

Did you miss the part where he mentioned these games are in the rapid format? What GM is blundering a queen in the opening of a rapid game

[@BerryTheGoodGuy]

Theres so many games where cheating makes so much more sense and can be a fun alternative way to play the game. But cheating in chess? Makes 0 sense. I just dont get these people.

[@zenchess]

I found this video misguided on many levels, including the game analysis. I plan to make a response video soon

[@SkogenWhisper]

please do!

[@420johnwick69]

i'll literally sub and bell you because im so interested

[@LunaticSoldiers]

I agree. I'm happy that Jack is passionate about Chess and wants to do his part in protecting fair play. The issue is that a lot of these metrics are arbitrary and, unfortunately, fallacious in their application. The statement he made about the "You don't just completely change your gameplan in 3 seconds" was predicated entirely on his assumption that his opponent was forming a different gameplan in the first place. Not to mention... yes, people do this all the time, even in OTB blitz games. It quite literally happens. lol There was another statement like "I was playing a cheater who was playing their own moves in their opening and then blundered their Queen on move 9. 2200 players do not make these mistakes" which, lol. People are allowed to blunder. We watched Ding, the world champion, walk into a blunder that the commentators thought was so obvious that they joked about how silly and impossible it would be for someone like Ding to make that mistake. Then to everyone's surprise... that was what happened. The argument about winstreaks and game accuracy is also completely fallacious anytime we talk about averages. I have had extremely complicated games full of tactics where my opponent and I found the best way to play the tactics and the engine gave us an accuracy of 95+ but estimated our level of play at 1200. I've also had closed-off positional games where the only pragmatic move was the obvious one, but since the engine "knew" the game should end in a draw it kept taking points off of the two of us because we weren't going for the draw. Our accuracy bottomed out at like 50% and ended around mid-60s and it claimed we played like 650s. Even when I first started learning the game in 2006 my elo was never below 1000, so this is laughable now that I play consistently at a 1700 level today. Then there is the "this is an engine-looking move" statement in regards to Qc7 even though Qc7 is the third best move according to the engine on screen, and Qa5, the move he plays, is conveniently the best move. The lines themselves show why, it's because Qc7 will end with Qa5 but white having far more activity and less liabilities because they can move their pieces with tempo on the Queen to get there. There is a form of irony in him describing the third-best move as an "engine" move but the reason it "could" work in some lines is the same premise that Qa5 works in some lines. I guess 2+2 is the only way to find 4 in the history of math, right?

[@MrAustanian]

You make some good points, but defending mouseslip cheater ruins some of your credibility. There is zero percent chance that was his plan and he had calculated deep into a move no one would intentionally make.

[@LunaticSoldiers]

@@MrAustanian I can assure you it isn't a zero percent chance, lol. Play some of these people OTB and watch them do the same stuff. OTB chess is much harder to cheat, and people do this kind of thing all the time.

[@cameronzimmerman8910]

at this point i dont see any point of playing online, if i want to play an engine ill just play an engine.

[@rohitrajiit]

I once went a month without losing. going from 1800 rapid to 2000 rapid. I used to study a lot and play not more than a game per day. A winning streak is not proof of cheating. There would be lots of cheaters at 2300 elo or among kramnik opponents. but for vast majority of players it is just paranoia.

[@adlex1212]

Yes, but were those games played with > 90% accuracy?

[@superneenjaa718]

​@@adlex1212 bro I play so many rapid games with over 90% accuracy and I'm just rated 700. It's not hard to play a high accuracy game if you know the lines pretty well. In my case most of my very accurate games are in rui lopez. With black I'm not as accurate.

[@dummydummy0]

He literally said satisfying just one of these criterias doesnt mean ur cheating, plus I'm pretty sure ur an outlier, going 1 month without losing is NOT at all a normal thing or even rare its super rare, so its kinda idiotic to come here talking like being a exception refutes any of what he said

[@theherk]

@@superneenjaa718700 while regularly having over 90% accuracy. What’s your account? Let’s see this.

[@csakegybolond264]

​​@@superneenjaa718Yeah. When the opponent gets a mate early or gives up the game early it's easy to have extremely high accuracy. But when the game goes for an extended period of time the accuracy gets lower at 700 elo. But when you are over 2000 they won't be scared against a fried liver, Ruy Lopez or a scholars mate. But there are even players at over 800-900 elo who can't handle these openings so you can have this accuracy but you wouldn't have these if they knew the optimal response for your early game poison.

[@sihlemtolo4747]

I've always had this feeling. I've played too many new accounts that have 2000+ elo and when I look at their puzzles I find that they got thwarted by the below 500 elo puzzle. I recently played against a new account that lost three times to a cheater. In the third game, his accuracy was 93%. He plays horrible openings like 1. h4. He hasn't been banned; he never will.

[@federicomicheli9704]

I started playing a year ago, 2500 games, i have been refunded 8 times, but i feel like i have played against many more cheaters

[@brainletsYT]

of course you have, they go undetected. you've probably played closer to around 100 - 150 give or take

[@illarionbykov7401]

​@@brainletsYTI saw a study that percentage of cheaters depends on the rating. People encountered the highest percentages of obvious cheaters (who got caught) in the 1800-2300 range in rapid. That was data from about a year or two ago (2022-2023)

[@elasticharmony]

This is one reason ive quit playing online chess except against stockfish itself. This is a political problem they are also not punishing cheats in other facets of life.

[@uchechris7822]

I’ve had situations where I’m winning & all of a sudden it shows I’ve lost by “abandonment “ when I’m still in the game with good a network connection. The craziest one was when it just showed I lost but my time was still counting down & if I tap on the menu Icon I was met with the resign button. Meaning the game was still running but I couldn’t play because it showed I had lost. The cheater wanted me to abandon the game & when I wouldn’t he returned the game when I had just 1 minute on my clock so I ended up losing by count out.( I literally have a screen recording of this cheating) Still no elo refunded

[@edddo4314]

You definitely DOESN'T sound like Kramnik. You're analyzing the actual games and actual moves. That's a good argumentation.

[@alonecoder600]

Kramnik has asked several GMs about a specific move in Danya's game and showed it onscreen.

[@Frisia-]

1 or 2 out of 10 is already too much for me. they failed us by not introducing a pay to play verified mode just so that people are less likely to bypass a ban

[@adityadash2396]

True the worst feeling for me is to know and almost know my opponent is cheating and report him and he still isn't banned then i have to convince myself maybe he wasn't cheating though i know he was 😢

[@gredax]

They aren't cheating you are just bad

[@adityadash2396]

@@gredax nah I eliminate the candidates that I'm salty against they don't make the cut

[@mikecantreed]

I’ve reported a premium member who is blatantly cheating in those daily leagues like 5x and he hasn’t been banned. Of course they’re not going to ban paying players.

[@Dreadscare]

Jack for your own rapid improvement and my gross curiosity I would love if you were to play rapid on lichess. I personally feel like I have faced way less cheaters in the lichess rapid pool vs chesscom pool. And once you settle in your fair lichess rating range I would love if you were then to play 100 games and do a similar analysis as done here. ------ I'll add some notes here: Way more higher rated and strong players play rapid regularly on lichess. Notably GrandmasterGauri on the streamer side and plenty of other strong FMs, IMs, and even GMs regularly play rapid on lichess. As you said it'd often take you at least 5 minutes to find a game in the cc rapid pool but on lichess when you are rated accurately I'd be willing to bet you'd always get paired within 30 seconds. I do believe chesscom's cheat detection and especially refund system is better than lichess. However, by design lichess entices a higher percentage of strong players (fair players) vs it's populous size.

[@jacksarkisian]

yeah i'd definitely be interested in doing this, might try and play some lichess Rapid on stream soon and have some fun with it (bonus points for lichess not saying JACKSARK IS CURRENTLY STREAMING HERES A LINK WHERE YOU CAN SEE ALL OF HIS MOVES AND PLAN AHEAD BASED ON WHAT HES THINKING

[@Dreadscare]

@@jacksarkisian lmao, nice looking forward to it. Btw your analysis of these games really has shown how much stronger you've become. Congrats on the well deserved improvement ❤

[@Willeinhelm]

this is not that easy because we as a chesscom partner are not allowed to do content on other chess platforms usually

[@Dreadscare]

@@Willeinhelm Yeah I wasn't expecting him to play on stream. As Jack practically only plays rated rapid off stream I'd assume it'd be fine for him to play lichess rapid off stream as well.

[@user-m8k9d]

@@jacksarkisian actually you can link your profiles and Lichess will say exactly that

[@ThePawnslayerChessVideos]

@5:14 I am convinced that this video was purely made to flex your Sicilian prep lol.

[@markvanderwerf8592]

It's an almost unsolvable problem. Players can just cheat and use all kinds of smart tricks, ie think long when the software tells them it's a !! move, to hide it. There is just no way to separate a smart cheater from an inconsistent player. Just accept it and play more over the board. Or really go rigorous methods that you require videostreaming while playing, that's the only somewhat feasible way to make sure your opponent isn't cheating.

[@jacksarkisian]

playing OTB is not a solution for this. if i want to play a FIDE rated classical tournament, there's essentially 2 per year in my city. if i travel interstate to play it'll set me back over $1000 in travel expenses, accommodation, entry fees & food. even if i only play nationally rated Chess games which are held more frequently, i'm limiting myself to a pool of around 50 players that i can ever play against (that are around my level anyway). also to play in any kind of OTB Chess event i'd need to take a 45 minute train ride into the center of the city, and the same 45 minute train ride back. even still these tournaments would still be infrequent, usually only on weekends and sometimes weeks go by without one being organized. its very easy to say "just go play OTB" if you're European or American, but in Australia at least its completely different.

[@LyndsieDances]

We need better ways of explaining to cheaters why it's wrong

[@rathelmmc3194]

I actually think as the neural nets continue to learn from human play they'll be able to tell the difference. Just like engines have a unique way they play, so do people.

[@elasticharmony]

Like other online games you can't have open servers, you have to have your own vetted private server. Games like GTA are totally a waste when played on the open online servers.

[@brainletsYT]

hey multi line posting redditor, streaming does nothing. just take a moment and use your puny brain to try and conjure up at least one (1) of the trillion possible ways for cheats to cheat via streaming. come on you can do it

[@AdmRaizoTanaka]

A pleasure to watch this video. Its goal is Fairness and it was informative. Effective communication throughout. Clear, well organized, well reasoned, right degree of detail, right tone, and concise.

[@jacksarkisian]

thankyou bro i appreciate it. planning to have a discussion with Chess.com's head fairplay analyst in the coming week & will make an update video on this

[@akaakaakaak5779]

h doesnt start with an "h"

[@SwagnusCarlton]

It does tho

[@simonkim8646]

Depends on accent/regional differences.

[@SwagnusCarlton]

@simonkim8646 nah H both starts with h and ends with h. Universally

[@asdfghyter]

@@SwagnusCarlton spelling-wise, yes, but not always pronunciation-wise

[@kgsphinx]

I thought he was saying "hate"-ch on purpose. Like I "hate" when people play h4, or I'm "hate"ching on your king.

[@LyndsieDances]

Should have a built it tilt function. Where it won't let you play if it feels you're playing too fast and with little accuracy

[@macdonaldnnadi1265]

this wouldnt work out well. You should just be responsible for your own playing. When I lose 2 games in a row, I take some time off and that helps

[@dudemanaric]

Just play unrated. I'm beating people 1k above my elo on unrated.. That says something as it is

[@jaimegomez8985]

Its a lost cause, even just the access to an evaluation bar(without move suggestions) is significant enough

[@javabandit]

I know cheating is very common. The best solution I can think of is to give paid members the choice to play *only* other paid members. The likelihood of cheating by paid members is certainly far less. While it probably wouldn't lessen cheating at the titled player level, it certainly would at the non-titled/mid-level rating ranges. I'd be more willing to wait 3-5 minutes for a game with a paid member. Especially if I saw a "queue" of some sort that told me how long I had left to wait.

[@AyrtonTwigg]

In my video, I showed an account that was many years old and had thousands of games. It played bullet, and every move was like 0.7 seconds. Even that was too hard for them to detect. Oh, and the same for the guy playing crazyhouse with every move made in 0.2 seconds.

[@jacksarkisian]

actually saw your video the other day & made me get around to making this. super disappointing that there’s been virtually zero progress for the anti cheat in over a year now, great work on your video though 🔥

[@AyrtonTwigg]

@jacksarkisian Oh wow, I'm glad to see an update, in that case! I was also wondering what the cheating rate would be if I played a lot of games now, and you did just that!

[@jacksarkisian]

@@AyrtonTwigg hahaha yeah would love to see you make a follow up video in the bullet time control to see if theres been any change there. sadly i'm incredibly slow and only ~2050 bullet so i don't verse many cheaters but would love to see a comparison. i just got an email from some Chess.com representatives about this video so hopefully will be able to provide some more clarity to the situation over the next few days.

[@cubingtony1]

A very intersting video. You were not biased. Thank you for this interesting insight!

[@jacksarkisian]

thankyou bro. i would love to see a GM like Danya play ~100 Rapid games at this level and do their own analysis. i can't say with 100% certainty but i'm very convinced i versed more than 29 cheaters in my last 100 games its just i'm not strong enough to know for sure if they were or not. glad you enjoyed bro

[@cubingtony1]

@@jacksarkisian yea i also think so. im also curious if a gm like danya does it. he sees alot of cheaters in his speederuns already so i think theres an intersting fact

[@Shadow-7295]

@@jacksarkisian In one of his speedrun videos he talks about this and says the amount of cheaters is the reason he does not want to continue the rating climb beyond a certain level.

[@jacksarkisian]

@@Shadow-7295 which video is this in? i heard someone mention this before but i couldn't find the video. wanted to mention it in this video but couldn't find the clip haha

[@jdrive03]

It's worse with low elo players. Cheaters get their account banned and then just create a new one and start another rating climb. I can usually tell when I'm playing a cheater because it feels like I'm just playing the computer at some point. I never bothered to actually analyze the accuracy ratings of each opponent, but it's true... I usually get really discouraged after I encounter these cheaters, and it just makes me want to stop playing. Sad.

[@gordonfrimann246]

Yep I posted about this in the forums and got banned for it lol

[@md.shahiduttarif2831]

Same man in the past 2-3 days i already played like 3-4 cheaters

[@TheLfamily24]

New accounts start at 1500 so if by low you mean that then yes

[@Ballstavius]

​@@TheLfamily24If you choose beginner as skill level when you make the account, you will start at 400-600

[@Nibiruto22]

Imagine the plot twist: Meanwhile, the Turk accused of cheating was thinking: "How is this guy in black is finding the best moves to defend himself? SUS."

[@NaR00W]

I'm not convinced that guy was "100% cheating"

[@lightworker2956]

That's the problem, isn't it? I think a three-second game plan overhaul and rook sacrifice looks very suspicious, but am I 100% sure, no. And and are you going to ban someone over a very high but not 100% probability? Hard to say. It's easy to say "yes" but of course people would hate to have a false ban happen to them.

[@infiniteloopcounter9444]

Indeed. I'd play the same drawing line in less than 3 seconds with the same position on the board. It is an obvious probable draw or at least best chance for an attack. For an ultra aggressive player sometimes you want to move quickly sometimes for the mental impact it might have on an opponent and needing to save time for long end game situations later. Even though I've been playing for more than 10 years people have complained about my games before and find out I watch videos at the same time as playing chess with a toddler that interferes with my games sometimes. When I don't have this my rating is easily more than 200 elo higher and it throws people. You don't know what the opponent is doing when you play online unless you see them stream.

[@faarao44]

At around 1500 rapid I feel like I never face cheaters

[@Ballstavius]

It's hard to tell when you're using the fish to think for you.

[@professional.commentator]

I feel like the only thing worse than being accused of cheating is being falsely accused of cheating.

[@platinumfactor]

Being accused of cheating is a compliment

[@elakstein]

​@@platinumfactorFor a cheater

[@asdfghyter]

@@elakstein i mean, there is an argument that someone thought you played too well, so it could be a compliment in that way

[@TheQuasarDragon1706]

That implies that being accuse of cheating when its true (After all, you specified a separation when it was false) its bad? Its bad to call out cheater an actual cheater??

[@Study_Reverie]

​@asdfghyter I feel like people who think this way don't get accused often. It doesn't feel good, people want to be respected for playing well, not called a fraud.

[@fsamaaa]

One problem is that high-profile player like Hikaru or Levy never play rapid, the time format in which cheating is likely most rampant.

[@h.h.h.9307]

im a 2100-2200 rapid player myself and I can only agree with you. When I play on one of my numerous secound accounts (rated anywhere between 1400-2000) I rarely, almost never) face a cheater. But once you hit the 2100 rapid barrier around 10% of the accounts I face look sus as hell and I abort alot. I imagine that at 2300 the issue is even worse :( sad stuff and that's also the reason why I stopped playing rapid chess as much (gone from 40 games a month to 15).

[@nicolaslaine8058]

That's strange, because from my experience, there are plenty of cheaters in the 1700-2000 range. I use almost every abort I have because a third of my opponents created their account in 2024, and these people see tactics way beyond their supposed 2400 puzzle rating in less time than me. As someone with a 3200 puzzle rating, it's very obvious when people cheat.

[@h.h.h.9307]

@@nicolaslaine8058 well it could be that I dont take my games on my second account serious (just trying out new openings), and therefore not really paying much attention to my opponents accounts and movetimes

[@bsmoov7]

I don’t think cheating only in certain moments is for higher rated players. I feel it a lot at my level. The moves don’t make sense. They can lose an exchange and 2 pawns in the opening and then somehow they methodically chip away and win or get back in the game. Then all of a sudden they’re bad again

[@stisoisfnr7769]

If a lot is cheating in higher rank, there is a huge potential that even more are cheating in lower, but it might be less in percentage since just amount of ppl in lower.

[@iseriver3982]

Paid members might not get extra anticheating protection, yet, but its undoubted that streamers do get extra protection. Which makes sense to me.

[@jacksarkisian]

i think this alongside with titled players make sense. of course i don't think they should be given more leniency, but in any case in which a streamer or titled player has suspicious play on their account they should be carefully reviewed by a human. even though i think Chess.com has a problem with letting too many cheaters off the hook, the opposite in banning players on very minimal evidence is also not the solution either.

[@PHeMoX]

@@jacksarkisian I don't think there's any evidence whatsoever to suggest that streamers and / or titled players are treated in a more generous way when it comes to cheating. Did you know how many tournaments require them to have multiple webcams and screensharing active? And that is for titled players too who have already proven their chess skills the last decade or so. It is probably an unfair suggestion to imply paid users are valued more too, as anyone cheating will get banned when detected.

[@PAlt-p6y]

​@@jacksarkisianThis is flat wrong. They're misidentifying people and it's pretty easy to prove. I'm a titled player (NM doesn't count) and their 'cheat detection' is moves not in database combined with high accuracy "is cheating". It's very easy to get around this.

[@fitnesstoffer2703]

Youre probably right as jacksarkisian is making money. But I dont know if he is cheating - but as money maker his account will stay probably.

[@iseriver3982]

@@fitnesstoffer2703 huh?

[@crypti1c]

If Kramnik put together this kind of visual/theoretical analysis instead of vaguely taking shots on Twitter, his points on online cheating would've been much better received. Well done

[@MNak90]

I believe paid members require a human review, which delays the process, since CC is understaffed

[@jacksarkisian]

this might be a thing i'm not too sure. i know titled players & Chess.com partners/staff are reviewed by the anticheat and by a human but not sure about paid accounts - could have something to it.

[@ru40342]

I did an experiment once (using 5000 games) and found that between 30 to 52% of all shorter games (10 minutes or less except 1-min bullet) have cheaters. Unranked games have higher probability (between 42 to 52%) while ranked games have lower probability (between 30 to 45%) of encountering cheaters for all time controls. That's why I only play 1-min bullet at this point as it is much harder to cheat. I did the same for Lichess and found that lichess have slightly lower probability (27% to 46%).

[@davidcheplowitz3478]

I don't cheat but definitely think i could get away with it. If you're already decent and only check the engine when in key positions how would the fair play team catch you? I can't think of a way. The signal to noise ratio just isn't robust enough so it seems you can only really reliably catch obvious cheaters. Of course I don't see the point in cheating. Is winning a game where you had to check the engine satisfying in any way? I guess there's the shallow thrill of getting away with something but I dunno how thrilling is it really when there are literally no stakes? Maybe a former or current cheater can explain their motives?

[@patrickstar1164]

You don't need a proof, you can just play and see yourself. I play in 1200 ish, every third game my opponent plays 2 second moves only, finishes the game in 21 moves, 99 accuracy

[@jameshebert1875]

Cheating is rampant in every online video game right now. There are AI anti cheats being developed and in a year or 2 cheating in video games will be almost impossible.

[@gredax]

it isn't but all the low elo players think it is because they are bad + gapped and can;t handle it

[@RTAC_1234]

That may be possible in video games, but cheating in chess is considerably harder to detect for numerous reasons.

[@triangle1332]

Yeah but there's also going to be AI cheats to get around the AI anti cheats. It's a cycle that can't be fixed with more tech.

[@jameshebert1875]

@RTAC_1234 online chess is a video game and it's cheats are provided on the same sites as other games. I would think with the simplicity of the program of digital chess that the cheats are some of the easiest to make and hide as opposed to call of duty that has layers and layers of code probably 1000x of that of online chess.

[@RTAC_1234]

@@jameshebert1875 There are several problems, though. Firstly, cheats in video games are cheating all the time (as far as I understand it). In chess, you don't need to cheat all of the time, you might only need one move per game from a computer. This makes it hard to distinguish between fair and unfair play. That would be the case anyway, but then, secondly, all good players use computers to refine their play, and so a lot of human play is informed by computers, and, thus, similar to computers. I play long lines that go 20-moves deep that are all prepped with computers, and therefore 100% accurate. Even beyond this, a lot of middlegame ideas come from engine prep and analysis. When you get to the very top level, they are, at least in some games, playing extremely close to computer accuracy, having studied the game for thousands of hours with computers. This is why it is so difficult to definitively state whether or not someone is using an engine.

[@L4Vo5]

I'm not a 2200 rapid player but I still occasionally blunder queens in a way that's way beneath my level. sometimes I am just that distracted :,)

[@igorface09]

Stupid to refund old games, as ratings converge to their appropriate level in the next games anyway.

[@bruceelio1606]

Agreed. And probably after about 20-30 games you are back to where you belong. No reason to credit people rating once they've surpassed this.

[@overbehind]

@@bruceelio1606 Which is really the reason they don't really care about banning the cheaters. Let's say you lose to 10 cheaters in a row(not realistic ,but whatever) and you drop 80-90 points. Eventually by facing the real players that are 80-90 points below you, you will climb back up. So you are less likely to complain about the losses, but it benefits the website, cause the playtime increses and you are more likely to buy a subscription.

[@pathofmelee6746]

i stopped chess because of cheaters, it's sad but i have no other alternative, i'm working and i don't have time to play real tournaments

[@HostaMahogey-if4hp]

I think the 30 day limit might be based off the assumption your lost rating will revert just through play since if you are underrated your rating will self correct.

[@jacksarkisian]

yeah this would make sense but i think due to the amount of cheaters in the Rapid pool its less effective. paired with the fact that Rapid is a longer time control and you're far less likely to gain it all back because the games are much longer. would still love to see a more dynamic solution to this. maybe if they found a game where the player cheated, games played 15 days before and after that game would be refunded? if this was applied for every game they cheated on this would seem optimal especially if there were numerous instances of cheating over long periods.

[@Electronite1978]

Have to agree that after 2300 you will face loads of cheaters when playing rapid and that really affects your game. In every single game you wonder if the opponent is cheating or not. This affects your play and it is very hard to play the way you normally would. To put is shortly I very rarely play rapid games nowadays as it is almost 50/50 if you face a cheater. Ps. I would also like to add that I have 2500 blitz rating and 2600 bullet rating (records) but in almost every time it is me who gets low on time even if my opponent has blitz rating of 2100 etc. It is a really strange feeling.

[@Neonax1]

Kramnik was right all along

[@jacksarkisian]

a broken clock is right twice a day 😭😭

[@andrewunthank3521]

I wouldn’t go that far 😂

[@vlaer81]

@@jacksarkisian we can all joke about Kramnik, But he knows this games better than all of us combined.

[@yefer-gz5vu]

No, he doesn’t. He solely relies on statistics to form his conclusions. This video provides clearer explanations and more reasonable arguments than anything Kramnik has posted over the two years

[@vlaer81]

@@yefer-gz5vu You don't know what you are talking about. Did you even see where Kramnik reviews games of these cheaters? Probably you just watch Nakamaru and that's where your opinion coming from.

[@Sackfullofbadgers]

I've always thought there were a lot of ''closet cheaters''. It would be very hard to get caught if you just look at a couple of crucial moves with an engine. I think it makes a huge difference because you only ever win 55 to 60% when you are going up in Elo, having 5% of opponents cheating makes a huge difference. I hover around 850 too so there is a lot of variability in playing ability.

[@TravelingMooseMedia]

Idk about the streaks. I had a 9 game win streak yesterday where 6 of them were 93%+ accuracy. I play for endgames so my accuracy tends to be higher. It’s statistically probable as I played 900 games in 90 days to get a win streak like this

[@highlandgambit5002]

Appreciate the video. I'm doubtful that anything will happen. I read an article saying that we just have to accept that a considerable amount of opponents will be cheaters and just focus on what you CAN get better at, regardless of the result.

[@stephenh9483]

I agree!!!! I am rated 1600 and i am CERTAIN that i have played many, many cheaters. Guys, we have to think about what Karl Jobst said: "For every cheater that is caught, a dozen get away with it" Fucking disgusting

[@ItsAllAboutGuitar]

The amount of times that my opponent blundered his queen and then Stockfish came back to destroy me was so beyond tilting to me that I just quit online chess. Now I just play bots of my choosing at lower ratings than Stockfish.

[@PizzaChess69]

I think this account stopped cheating because they realized someone was after them. They haven't won a single out of their last 14 games as I'm writing this comment.

[@liamsun2543]

Online chess has its problems. While you do make some valid points that the number of cheating accounts has been growing, I do need to say that a player is innocent until proven guilty - that's the basic rule. Based on a single game, all you can do is to say this guy is "likely" a cheater- hell, even a random mover has a non zero probability to plays 100% perfect moves! Also, 100 games is not big enough as a sample.

[@jacksarkisian]

i agree, 100 games is not a big enough sample size but if we increase it to 200 games, we go back to when i was ~2050 Elo and my Elo is not a constant anymore and the data becomes much less valuable. i'm also fine with you saying the best you can say he's "likely" a cheater - but in my opinion even if its not definitive, i don't want to be versing "likely" cheaters 33% of my games.

[@tinapalooza_]

WOW! VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO! BEAUTIFUL CHARTS, UNDER APPRECIATED IMO, DESERVED MORE SCREENTIME!

[@jacksarkisian]

THANKYOU QUEEN SORRY ABOUT THE LACK OF CHART SCREENTIME WILL DO BETTER NEXT TIME

[@corentinsudja5202]

Do you believe that somes players get banned for cheating even though they are not ?

[@jacksarkisian]

the only case this happens is when a Chess master is playing on a secret account. they play unbelievable moves and because they are quite literally comparable to a low depth engine they can be banned for it. aside from this it doesn’t happen ever with the current anti cheat.

[@Leejungwoo48]

Wow sad... The site also says they have zero tolerance for cheating. Yet I report the cheaters on rapid that are clearly using the best stockfish moves EVERY move, they get like 95-99 percent accuracy in complex games repeatedly, they take around the same time every move and clearly don't even try to hide that they're cheating. Then I see games they actually try to play legit to try to lower their accuracy score and they blunder and get mated in 1 in the opening. It's not even subtle, they're OBVIOUSLY cheating... And they never get banned!!

[@EmFanForLife]

thats why i left chess and starting playing checkers. best decision ever👍 Edit:Kramnik pinned your video on twitter lol

[@jacksarkisian]

bro MIGHT be Matteo Bernini

[@EmFanForLife]

@@jacksarkisian thanks for the membership man ^^

[@jacksarkisian]

@@EmFanForLife no worries bro get solving those puzzles 💪

[@EmFanForLife]

@@jacksarkisian surely man. ✌️

[@HeyWhySoSalty]

It's called soft cheating dude. There's hardcore cheaters and soft cheaters. People try to cheat softly but it becomes obvious when you spectate for a while.

[@itzik7760]

Its really not clear whether some of the people you claim are cheating are actually cheating. One move isnt enough to convict anyone. The game you showed against that 2300 only had one suspicious move which is reasonable

[@kimgysen10]

Maybe it's reasonable, maybe it's not. It remains a story of he said she said... because there is no technology available to reliably know it. Statistics will become more reliable with the number of tests executed, but since there are no tests registering results that reliably say whether the person was or wasn't cheating in any position, the problem will remain unresolved.

[@lazimsharar4713]

This guy just wants attention lol . Although its true the number of cheaters are growing

[@renatozeru]

It's reasonable after you see it. Without seeing it, that's a pretty damm hard move to find with seconds on the clock.

[@adifferentusername999]

@@renatozeru yes he did play it in a few seconds, but he could have seen the tactic in advance, thinking about it on his opponent's time. Not 100% sure either way whether he's cheating or not

[@cobalius]

well at least i dont feel the cheaters lurking around. with my about 1550 rapid, i feel like 99% of my games are genuine

[@EliteCubingAlliance]

23:04 That's crazy. I nearly 2000 and it only takes me a few seconds. Crazy that 300 rating points makes that big a difference.

[@donnelleraeburn9207]

it does

[@timcannon5384]

Yeah Aman went for top 50 Rapid recently, and he passed through the 2300 rapid pool to get there, it was bad.

[@zada4a]

I know this problem, and I am only 1300 elo. There was a stretch of time when I said in chat before every game: "Lets have a fair game! If you cheat in any way, I am the winner regardless of the result. Thank you." This means cheaters lose against me 100% of the time.

[@consciousmassofatoms]

And they proceed to cheat

[@zada4a]

@@consciousmassofatoms but if they do, they know I won regardless, big hit on their ego heh

[@zada4a]

@@consciousmassofatoms they cheat, because they want to feel like they are good at something. They want the other to think they are amazing player. If I write that message, then they know I wont think they are an amazing player, because I know they might be cheating, which takes the joy out of it for them. Also, they will know they cheated, so obviously I won regardless of the result, so It won't feel like a win to them, their subconscious will know. Chesscom should have a message like that which is a direct hit to the ego of a cheater. Self detection is the best prevention, make it unappealing.

[@janski1476]

@@zada4a yea surely they care what you think

[@zada4a]

@@janski1476 its about what they know. I wont know if they cheated for sure, they will know it, and my sentence means I won, regardless of the result. Easy win! I dont have to think anything, its on them

[@bandoytcx]

thankyou for saying this. online chess has become unplayable

[@nostro1940]

Most cheaters are indian

[@elrenegau0912]

Online chess is almost dead...

[@nostro1940]

It has been for years but chess cucks were in denial

[@technofeeling2462]

Not to minimize this but imagine you play poker and its for money and the cheaters are much more advanced and its much more dífficult to find out. I lost 6 figure sum in the last years to cheaters

[@PAlt-p6y]

Their cheating detection incorrectly identifies non-cheaters and allows the actual ones to do whatever they want. And my level is above yours (titled player). It's Hanlon's Razor; incompetence, not intent.

[@softwaredeveloper6791]

It is a bit much to accuse people like this. How did he get his cheat engine to pop out the answer so quick when he made the mouse slip that no engine would ever play? The cheat will be when it takes extra time to make the move, not a ridiculously quick response after a move that clearly is not a bot move.

[@obiemmanuel1514]

You can't just show someone's full account name and blatantly accuse them of cheating while saying that you are 100% sure... Were you there with them when they were cheating? 2300 in rapid is a strong player.. You can't be 100% sure.. Most 2300 I play in rapid usually play high quality moves

[@bjrnhagen4484]

My first thought too while watching this.

[@asdfghyter]

it was my first reaction too, but after looking at the games, there is no doubt that they were cheating. like, the first one, there is no way that that queen blunder was a mouse-slip as there is no reasonable move that is nearby. and for the more subtle closet cheater, i'm not sure that even Magnus Carlsen would be able to make the pivot to that move after the mouse-slip in only 3 seconds and he certainly wouldn't even if he could, since he had over 7 minutes on the clock, so there's no reason to rush it

[@frottery]

the person he was calling out has more 90%+ games in a couple weeks than people get in a lifetime. if he is at that level of accuracy, his ELO is wrong.

[@zackbrown1865]

Why not if there not cheating they have nothing to hide shit show my account pls wtf

[@milestrevelyan3858]

Really great video man. Thank you. There is so much hysteria about cheating and this video is very calm and reasoned in comparison.

[@jafulton89]

Confirmed after you hit 2300 elo you go insane.

[@MatthieuSCHREK]

That's actually why I don't hit 2300 rating. Yes, yes, the ONLY reason. ( not that I can't, of course. Hum hum... of course. )

[@jafulton89]

@@howard5992 of course people cheat. the insane part is spending 20 hours making graphs of people that "didn't cheat against me but cheated against someone else so that is cheating and I should get elo refund for all of my games"

[@Ragehunter]

i am 2900 but currently im not going insane

[@yellowphoenix9803]

​@@Ragehunteroh shoot, the best bullet player right? FM ragehunter?

[@SomebodySharp]

@@Ragehunter lichess?

[@TheQuicksilver115]

Well, you made it to my recommended vids so clearly this is gaining momentum. Thanks for putting this together. Commenting for the algo for you 👍

[@sean92smith]

I'm not positive the "closet cheater" was cheating. Kh1 could have been a nearsighted move to get the g rook active on that file. If it was a mouse slip, then I still don't see how they are moving the mouse and getting Stockfish best moves all within 1 second or so, sometimes less. By saying mouseslip you're implying they are manually moving the pieces and not using some advanced automove cheat, but they are still moving as fast as under 1 second? Doesn't seem possible... The move times do not feel suspicious. I'm 2000 bullet and could intuit the rook sac given the activity of the other pieces. It also just feels like a desperation move that luckily happens to maintain a draw.

[@jacksarkisian]

people use browser extensions to cheat on Chess.com. it shows an overlay of your Chess board and draws an arrow from the piece to where it should be moved to. afaik automove isn’t really a thing anymore unless you set the times to random. if you’re automoving in 0.1s every move you’re obviously going to be caught, most people do it semi manually now. this kind of erratic decision making might be common in blitz or bullet but it’s nonexistent at high level rapid. no one plays risky moves like that in such short amounts of time, you at least think for 15-20 seconds otherwise you’ll end up throwing more games than not.

[@ALTTABINMAINMENU]

There's no point bulletting whole rook sac when you have 7 minutes on the clock!

[@howard5992]

The moves seem inhumanly quick. JMHO

[@dariogreggio7981]

😂 nah he was obviously cheating, im telling you im 2000 blitz fide he was 100% clearly cheating

[@csquaredgaming]

This is only valid if the time on opponent clock was very low, which it was not.

[@zakarylittle6767]

This guy gives me "i think my elo should be 200-300 more" vibes. Anyone who speaks in absolutes is probably lying about something.

[@mastershake42019]

Only sith talk in absolutes............