Proof That Pokemon TCG Pocket Packs are RIGGED!

[@DkayedPokemon]

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[@gdat3477]

This kind of content makes you wonder if an account itself is already pre-determined. Ruins the game for everyone.

[@Neowarshark]

@@gdat3477 wouldn't it wild it was a seed of numbers for RNG and you always got specific cards from said pack you might be missing out on the other two different card pools of packs. o_o

[@thegreatgotchi]

Epic info thank you for sharing

[@Peelyboi3]

Would you rather have this? Or completely random cards in different packs?

[@shurikencookies]

I definitely think there is a wonder pick pattern or thing that reduces the chances as most cards in 3rd, 4th and 5th slot alternative between eachother, 5th to 3rd slot is most common. Id be interested if theres anything that helps picking the right card I want 😂

[@dripkrap]

this actually just gives me relief that I know Im not missing out on any better cards

[@whymyluckstatsistoolow]

but it also destroying our unboxing romance 😢😢

[@theodorewattz]

exactly!!! I felt fomo now i know its all good

[@AllMindControl]

Agreed

[@Danoobking123]

I couldn’t agree more

[@RaykinaBreaker]

but that also mean you miss the 9/10 chance to get a better card too.

[@kprojectskurt]

The carrousel is a metaphor of the illusion of freedom of choice

[@mageclassicxyz1189]

Thanks Jevil from Deltarune

[@lukeItsAmeMArio]

no one said it but the whole TCG is just gacha games.

[@lucashilcenko9165]

Ah it was capitalism all along i knew it

[@HeavenHalos]

2deep4me

[@keshoncollins1284]

Back to master duel I go !

[@papasmurf7684]

This makes sense because when you do a 10 pack pull you get no choice

[@Abby-r3b]

I think the assumption was that when you choose 10 packs you get all of the packs you would of chosen from

[@ichiryoka88]

Yes i Agree about the 10 packs

[@austinf5836]

I was thinking maybe this. But, if you flip all but one and count them, there are 15 packs in the wheel.

[@krmlou]

even if there was a choice your comment would still make no sense, if there are 10 packs and you open 10 packs of course you're not gonna choose

[@ninjaguyYT]

While I agree that it's not randomized (or rather, that you aren't given more than one randomized option), one could argue that the "open 10 packs" thing is still random but that you trade off manual luck for automatic luck to save time. That is, like the lottery. Technically, filling in 10 random plays of the lottery is literally just as likely to win as bubbling 10 "quick play" draws. But the difference is that you can't create your own luck in a sense if you let the machine decide. You just choose to use "automatic luck" in exchange for getting time saved. Likewise, it's possible (but I doubt it) that doing 10 draws in Pokemon is like doing 10 quick picks, therefore not proving that single draws are random.

[@shabbbsy]

I got my girlfriend into TCG pocket recently… she really likes spinning the carousel. I think I’ll keep this revelation to myself 😂

[@Wolf_Fett]

same and i wished i havent learned this lol

[@Dogster6]

Yeah I’m with you there

[@KetchumsShop]

I was going to tell mine but you’re right. Ignorance is bliss, right.

[@disruptor6550]

​@@KetchumsShopI was going to tell mine too! But then I remembered I have no girlfriend

[@seanyboy64]

😂​@@disruptor6550

[@SuperSaiitama]

always use the skip button

[@captainobvious8037]

I do. I got shafted so hard it's incredible. At least it spares some time

[@Boohoo7]

I sis this for first time yesterday and got a god pack 😅

[@randx1075]

Same, skip gang all the way

[@JPN-k6c]

no. the crease theory is still correct but not the way you think it is. while yes, everything in this video is true and the pack content is determined right as you enter the carousel, the existence of a creased pack is still going to indicate a rare card inside one of the packs, actually all of the packs because it doesn't matter whether you pick the creased pack or a different one as they are all the same. it doesn't really matter at the end of the day but you can, if you want, spoil yourself a little before you open the pack. I just like going through the carousel and look for a substantial crease and then if I see it I know this is going to be a good one.

[@lordgrim355]

Exactly. I don’t waste time looking at each pack looking irregularities.

[@Hamstergeval]

I've been sacrificing a sheep every time I'm opening a pack. You say it didn't matter? rip sheep.

[@temtempo13]

No no, the sheep matters, it's just that the sheep's life essence is absorbed by the API on the backend instead of the app itself. Common misconception!

[@kevalevduqc9147]

Bruh

[@SerShWolf]

Poor Wooloos 😢

[@BOBBo-xj9kd]

Ah no you needed to evolve the wooloos first, that’s why it wasn’t working

[@AllMindControl]

As a game dev myself, rng is rng regardless of your "ritual". And of course the carousel is all the same pack, whats the point in sending the data for 50 cards when the player will only ever see 5. Thats a waste of data, and not optimal.

[@BigBo-Peep]

Effectively correct, but then why have a spinner anyways. People like feeling a sense of influence.

[@danielwu2069]

​@@BigBo-Peep That sense of influence is the point lol

[@whyvern6817]

​@@BigBo-PeepIt's a fun way to open a pack, also there is literally a lot of games that do this that gives people the illusion that they have a lot more influence than they have so it's not really an uncommon thing

[@traker4654]

Clearly your ritual doesn't work, try adding more lamb blood and a couple more chaotic chants

[@dylanrichey8332]

The ritual is a gambling addict thing 😆. Non gamblers don't do that.

[@saveumberto]

I mean this really doesn't make a difference. Its random to begin with, if it happens before you click open pack or after, none of it matters to you as the player.

[@Eggzy-b7f]

Exactly! People are just weird asf, Really weird!!! It's literally just a game, It's all RNG How is it rigged?😂😂😂😂😂😂 Weirdos honest

[@rascal5228]

Kinda to me. I always thought there are different cards on each pack so I thought "What if I generated a god pack and miss it?" So I always do 10x pull which is hard to save up as an f2p. Now I can just do 1 pull without worries😅.

[@AcceptYourDeath]

It definetly does matter, if somebody hands you 10 packs the chance for one of them (or two or three) containing rarer cards is slightly higher compared to only one pack. If you would pick the right pack out of 10 is again chance but you have a 1:10 chance to pick the right one of a slightly increased chance.

[@serghonest9]

It makes a difference. Why do you think they added the carrusel in the first place? That shit is useless now.

[@RuseGuise]

@serghonest9 I think it makes a difference too. If it worked how we first thought. In having to choose the pack we thought was better. Sadly it's not how it works

[@Garfeed_Awesome]

Good. Conformation that my luck is absolutely dogshit.

[@kuru-cosplay7279]

Same here ,i only get commons😂

[@Buffer131]

I mean have you seen the odds? 99.99% common

[@DjinnZhad]

Should have been obvious when you have the option to skip the carousel animation entirely

[@nicolalama2562]

its written in the summon infos that each pack is different from the others

[@DjinnZhad]

@nicolalama2562 I've been rerolling accounts since the game came out, i never saw text specifically saying the packs on the carousel is distinct from each other, could you tell me more about what you're referring to?

[@finnsterrzz]

Here's what I found in the Attention tab in the Offering Rates: Step 1: Pack Selection Step 2: Card Selection About step 1: Pack Selection Pack selection is the first selection process that is carried out. In pack selection, a pack to be opened will be selected so that step 2, card selection, can occur. Please see the Offering Rates tab to confirm the category names and offering rates of packs that are generated. About step 2: Card Selection After the pack to be opened is decided in step 1, pack selection, step 2, card selection, is carried out. In card selection, the cards that are actually generated will be selected. **The categories of cards offered and the offering rates differ for each pack. For example, if a "regular" pack is selected, cards will be generated as displayed in the categories and offering rates for "regular packs." If a "rare" pack is selected, cards will be generated as displayed in the categories and offering rates for "rare packs."** I guess this is what op was referring to? Edits: formatting

[@DjinnZhad]

@@finnsterrzz oh ok. Well i won't defend that this is a shady thing to do, and i think there's a legitimate case for misleading users, but i saw skip button almost immediately and assumed it was irrelevant

[@RoaringTide]

@@DjinnZhad I think the excerpt above specifically talks about CATEGORIES of cards being different between RARE packs and REGULAR packs. They don't mean that every pack in the carousel technically has different cards in them.

[@Senshi00]

They should remove the wheel. It makes no sense to deceive the players if it does not matter. Just go straight to the opening of the pack.

[@SplitSniper7]

Illusion of choice 😅

[@Kman20025]

I'm pretty sure it's there for future expansions

[@PUPPE4O4]

It generates buzz, and buzz is money when we're talking about gatcha

[@serghonest9]

They should also remove the need to open the cards. There is no mystery anymore, my friends already saw my roll, just show me the cards!

[@nickynicholas1670]

It's just for fun visual if anyone wants it, like pull ritual/theory or something, it's fun for some people. I personally skip those anyway

[@Saxjon]

The only proof you need is the skip button. The game is basically telling you that you are watching an "interactive cutscene"

[@boywoofie]

Someone finally said it

[@Ratozii]

i just thought skip button opens the pack in front of you and skips through it

[@TormentZero]

This actually feels like a bit of good news to know that I am not passing by a better pack during pack selection. Now if I could actually get a card from wonder pick that I actually want, that would be nice.

[@milmil5350]

Wasting time looking for a bent foil was annoying and made pack-openings a bad experience for me. Thanks so much to everyone who busted this myth. And thanks, Dkayed, for getting the info out there.

[@Technomagus]

I am glad that the pack choice doesn't actually matter, because my lizard brain kept wanting to try and draw a pattern based on the "vibrating" pack. Because every so often while going through the carousel, a pack will trigger your phone's vibration function while scrolling past it.

[@fountgarde]

My phone vibrates on every pack.

[@damienmulder909]

There is no scientific basis for macroevolution. Stop saying lizard brain, you sound like a plain ole dumb human.

[@Ravageb]

I do prefer knowing the truth of how the carrousel works, even though is a little disappointing to know that it doesnt matter which pack you choose

[@TXIIILightning]

I'm 100% certain the WonderPick is random too. In terms of programming the chances of you already getting a card is 1 in 5. The card you get is sent the moment you activate WonderPick, and appears regardless of which of the 5 cards you pick. The remaining 4 cards are then assigned to each of the remaining slots. It'd only make sense for WonderPick to be programmed with selection in mind if the shuffling animation was actually trackable for the player. Doubt me? If they handled booster packs like this, why wouldn't they do the same to WonderPick? It's just a simple Array with fun visuals.

[@RuseGuise]

Now I want to know about wonder picks haha

[@internet2oup650]

@@RuseGuise try activating a wonder pick and then exiting out of the game, then check your newest card

[@xXOblivionXx1]

I mean if thats the case i must be so lucky cause i always seem to pick the card that i need for a set or deck im building?

[@colemetcalf6321]

Same I’ve been extremely lucky

[@nickynicholas1670]

​@@xXOblivionXx1yes you are!

[@assassinlief23]

If anyone honestly thought they would send you 10 separate sets of data to pick from is crazy. The wonder pick is likely the same kind of system. The card you get is predetermined. It is way easier to just pretend like you are getting a choice than actually making a choice

[@jonnyt10101]

With wonder pick, I just pick the same spot everytime anyways. I will get the card I want or I won't. Eventually I will get all the cards anyways. Just a matter of time.

[@assassinlief23]

@jonnyt10101 The one time I tried to change up my pick spot, I got the only card in the pick that was a copy. Got pretty upset at it but then just did another and got an EX I hadn't gotten yet. I have notoriously bad luck in my friend group so it's gunna take extra long for me to get most cards. Trade can't come soon enough

[@leodark_animations2084]

​@@assassinlief23i have 60% of the picks that has the decent cards in the same spot as the start

[@serghonest9]

Did you even watch the video? Your choice is being used in the servers for Wonder Picks. And there is absolutely NO REASON as to why they couldn't send you 10 separate sets of data. That's super easy to implement.

[@jomarcentermjm]

This is pretty much too much unecessary data + it would be abused via network sniffing tool or similar.

[@aidanrmacgregor7537]

Just in case you see this first, "RIGGED" is an enormous overstatement. "Wow, the thing that was completely random is actually completely random"

[@noelendozo7986]

It's an art gallery identified as a card game.

[@fallguybuddy2654]

Thanks a lot Dkayed got some whale friends now. Love the website. Also for clarifying that your cards are pre determined. So im guessing it’s the same for when you open 10x at a time.

[@Pik-nn4yd]

Makes sense, that's why once you click on "open pack" and go to the wheel, you can't back out and pick a different pack type. If you try, it just puts a pack right in front of you instead of picking from the wheel

[@senerio2124]

Another thing is that if you open 10 packs at once, you don't event get the carousel option. If there was some advantage to picking a certain pack in the carousel then why would the devs make pulling 10 disadvantageous?

[@chrisbluestone]

It's still random whether the five are picked before or after the carousel. There is no way they would send 10 packs from the server to the user and then let the user pick one of those 10 because that's how you get cheaters who hack the software to gain an unfair advantage by "peeking" at the incoming server data before making their pick. If the wonder pick does not randomize the player's pick on the server side, then it should in order to prevent cheaters from gaining that unfair advantage. This has nothing to do with how you feel because in the end the odds cannot be *and should not be* affected by the player so that everyone can have a good experience.

[@fluidwolf]

Wouldn't the solution there to just have the cards be generated on picking the specific pack then? Have it so the cards are generated when the top is opened.

[@Salamandinay]

There's a loading icon whenever the game pings the server, so the results of the pack not mattering (since loading happens when you click open, and no loading when you select the pack) and the wonderpick choice mattering (loading seen after selecting) could also be determined just by that without external tools.

[@KodexKat]

This is like telling kids that Santa isnt real. We all know it’s just an animation but we do it anyway

[@xijinpong2356]

Thank Dkayed! Looking forward to making my very own Sizzlepede and Cottonee deck

[@Lucky69K]

0:29 there's a frickin skip button which using common sense prooves that all r same it's all scam😂

[@MrPedrohed]

Soo agree ffs why do we need a video about it 😂

[@uhwaykin]

How is that the logical conclusion? A skip button could just pick a random pack in a system with a real carousel pick.

[@jsn593]

This ruined the excitement from opening packs when I found this out trough reddit and twitter

[@Bunny2319b]

It does ruin it 😭 like you would expect at least ONE pack have high rarity than the other 9 packs

[@Shinikyu_xX]

How? You’re still getting a random pack and u can only select one of them anyways. It’s be an issue if u could “re-roll” or some how open 2-5 packs at once- but the pack is still random and it’s a 1:1 scale of randomness

[@gyose2675]

idk but i actually feel relieved because i don't need to feel any regret choosing a pack that does not have a hit, knowing all of the packs has the same cards 😂😂

[@Yoshizuyuner]

@@gyose2675 tbh is just fun to spin and pick a Random one

[@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey]

​@@Shinikyu_xX because it ruins the sense of choice.

[@neekcinco7221]

So they create the thrill of making you feel like you made such a great pick… so they can give you a boosted rush when you get something good which increases your desire to play more so you can get “lucky” again… they didn’t even need to do that for people to play… BUT I guess whatever it takes for them to create player retention 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Paulxl]

They want to simulate the experience of opening a real pack. But at the end of the day, you can't control what it's inside a pack.

[@davidalvarado9957]

​@Paulxl exactly. I don't understand why people are trying to make it sound so nefarious lol. Like this fucking video. He chooses to use the word "rigged" when that's a bit disingenuous.

[@Paulxl]

@@davidalvarado9957 Agree. Those kind of comments are starting to get on my nerves.

[@ch1dd]

If you ever bought packs irl (a few units, not the full boxes), you know why that animation is there. Nothing to do with tricking anyone

[@bluelink142]

In a weird way, I actually kind of like that it's this way. Despite it being decieving, it's nice knowing that if I didn't get lucky on a pack opening, I was simply just unlucky. Rather than sitting and thinking that one of those other nine packs could have had an extremely rare card. Because at the end of the day that's exactly what you're doing, opening *one* pack. It's not like you get that option when you buy physical cards at a game shop. The worker doesn't pull out 10 packs out of the box and put them in front of you to choose. They just grab a random pack from the top and it's yours.

[@Sindragozer]

Thanks for the info! I can understand why some people would hate this. Honestly kinda makes me feel better though, was stressing out a little feeling like i was just picking the wrong packs lol

[@nickrogers3624]

Actually if you look at the offering rates description, it explains this exactly. “After the pack to be opened is decided in step 1, pack selection, step 2, card selection, is carried out. In card selection, the cards that are actually generated will be selected.”

[@andytrujillo8287]

People can’t read in 2024

[@AxiomApe]

“Pokémon TCG Pocket” was the Ad I got before this video…

[@AmazingBreadEdits]

0:57 I assumed it was just an extra animation from the start 🤔

[@cr_chain]

U added nothing

[@cultofmel]

@@cr_chain neither did the person who made the video, but i don't see you complaining about him.

[@Kulkogo]

That’s exactly what I thought. It’s probably a predetermined seed based off what you did before you opened the pack (which, in case you’re wondering, would be nearly impossible to manipulate). Still, I wish the pack you picked determined the RNG you got. This also explains why both the 10 Pack Pulls and Promo Packs automatically open instead of the carousel.

[@pkmasterjt4899]

That doesn't mean it's rigged😂. It's still RNG. Why would they give you 45 whole cards you will never see when they can just give you the 5. Either way, it's a dice roll.

[@AYouTubeChannel-f5h]

Here's some definitive proof: random dudes on reddit said so. You know that guy could've just screen-recorded his opening and then made up the bullshit after for clicks, right?

[@Newageescapism]

Gacha drama has made me very jaded, this doesn't even register on the controversy scale.

[@Paulxl]

A gatcha game being actually random is somehow controversial.

[@jessicacopeland9066]

My 3 year old loves spinning the carousel for me, so it makes me feel better that they’re all the same 😅

[@fkjfkrmrk]

3 year old gambler, nice, start 'em young.

[@ldogg2356]

I feel much better that the carousel packs are all the same. Every time I go to open a carousel and it's not a god pack. I feel like there could have been one there knowing that they are all the same. Gives me the peace of mind. Now only if Wonder pick work the same 😢

[@TheThursty100]

On the WonderPick situation. Let's say it's also predetermined. What's the issue? It shuffles the cards in a way that you can't follow it anyways, it's entirely random, any of the five cards, could be any of the five cards presented before. Sure, you can select which card you want, but it's still a 1 in 5. The same 1 in 5 for every other card you can pick. There's no control there, there's no playing the odds. The chance that the card you want is in the same spot it was before is the same chance as any other spot. The only thing remotly changing the odds is that it's a higher chance that it's in one of the other spots, but which one? If you always pick the slot right of it, that's again the same chance as if it's in the same spot again, because you focus on one spot. So really, you get the illusion of choice, regardless if it's predetermend or not. That said I'm still gonna do my rituals regardless, because they aren't bound by such silly meaningless things like time. If I do the rituals the predetermination will always have been the wanted result, obviously! If you don't do them, then well, it was always predetermed to be not what you want.

[@Raii_Chu]

the carousel animation is just fun to spin. like a revolver chamber before snapping it in for fire. (HARD SPIN >> OPEN THAT PACK) 🔥

[@pig820423]

My guess is ： The system needs to receive your choice because all cards are blank before you choose, and it will decide which card to give you based on probability at the moment you choose. So it seems that the probability of all five cards is 20%, but it doesn’t feel like it.

[@Sokayvid]

Do you really prefer that having privilege knowledge would give you an advantage over other players, instead of a truly random pick? I like that everyone has the same chance to get any cards.

[@CharanBMusic]

I'm kind of convinced that with the Wonder pick it doesn't matter what you choose, all tiles are the same, then it shows you what you got , takes you back to the selection screen where it tells the server where to place the remaining tiles randomly and reveals them

[@Darkish_jace]

oh this is phenomenal news I'm still gonna spin that wheel to find my turned around pack cuz I enjoy pulling the cards blind and don't want to turn the cards around myself but this brings a huge weight off my shoulders even though I assumed I wasn't picking the wrong pack

[@GeTMiXeDuP770]

You can turn any pack around btw

[@Darkish_jace]

@GeTMiXeDuP770 I'm too lazy to do that and with the patch to the game there's no longer turned around card packs from what I've seen, so the odd time I'll turn it around but I wish they automatically pulled backwards

[@DanielLeaf]

I've seen turned around packs still ​@Darkish_jace

[@abhiroopbasak8379]

I'm fairly confident the wonder pick is similar too. The input that's sent to the server of your choice is to show the predetermined card that was chosen for you at your chosen spot.

[@unplaya_able5809]

Fantastic vid, excellent ending! Got my guaranteed centiscorch after pack 23!

[@alessandromauri6735]

That was somehow noticeable, as when you open a pack, you can use the "skip" button on bottom right to skip the carousel. Why they let you skip the animation carousel without choosing a pack? Because it's all chosen already

[@sirdevoiryt]

My problem is that, regardless of intention, there is a bit of wonder in the system when you aren't trying to prove this kind of thing. It's pretty obvious, but it was fun rotating the wheel anyways. People might feel mislead, but if we are just getting the pack one way or the other in a game this focused on collecting, I prefer to enjoy the playground antics. I think the interface itself is really cool. Aesthetically it made opening packs really fun. Especially coming from another mobile card game like this, TCG Pocket does a lot of things right. It is just draining treating it like a gacha game all the time. Rerolling accounts, the first month of the game being a content creator dominated space, etc. we do this for every game, but at the end of the day I would prefer to just enjoy what the game is. I think specifically for this franchise, the more whimsical the experience the better. I like the alternative you provided on if a ritual is needed. We still don't know what the cards are. Could just spin the wheel for good luck anyways. To me there's no difference between the hundreds of videos reporting on the bent packs, and just general tourney play for this game. It's all just content. I doubt they are gonna pay attention to any of this discourse, but maybe down the line something will be done in favor of the players. I also need one more Venu EX. Good luck.

[@Yoshizuyuner]

i think spinning card wheel is fun

[@sirdevoiryt]

@@Yoshizuyuner its super fun. Especially compared to Duel Links where you just click buy cards and you sit in the shop overlay.

[@gigachad1622]

I personally never rerolled once in this game, I think it's that type of game where rerolling actually reduces your fun and worsen the experience. I currently have a perfectly built mewtwo deck and I have found cards like the immersive charizard EX and a goldish looking Moltres EX and techincally speaking I had a "bad start" with a lot of in game currency wasted. Don't let knowledge like the one in this video ruin your experience, I'll personally keep searching for bent packs cuz it's fun and reminds me of the feeling ya get when opening irl packs.

[@sirdevoiryt]

@@gigachad1622 same I got the Immersive Mewtwo and Mewtwo EX in just the first 24-48 hours. I'm getting lots of cool cards bit by bit. People just jump game to game, community to community, and treat every game the same and completely erase the fun of gaming.

[@demomase4957]

yea idc im still picking the one thats flipped flipping it back and opening it XD

[@Grandeur023]

I’m glad I’ve skipped every pack 😂

[@gnomesayin8902]

This video saved me from blaming myself for selecting the wrong pack, whether it be bent or backwards. Thank you.

[@pierresonne8192]

Just so everybody knows, it is litterally written that every pack is "the same". If, before you open a pack, you click the button at the bottom left of the screen to see the chances of obtaining each card, then click on the button on the right, they wrote that the cards are chosen after you clicked on the booster.

[@ZekeTheThunderWolf]

Do you believe this is clear enough to warrant the carousel feature to give the visual appearance of having a choice when you have to look up the odds and then have to look up that information seperately? I know neither of us read the entire EULA. Why give the illusion? I only say the Master Duel pulling is different because it is clear you do not choose 10 packs, you just get 10 packs and the visual flair is activated by clicking, not chosen by clicking.

[@pierresonne8192]

@ZekeTheThunderWolf Saying that giving the illusion of choice is a bad thing is simply wrong. This is a game, one of its objectives is to be entertaining. Clicking on "open a booster" and having the 5 cards directly shown on screen would simply be less funny than having a little (fun or not, but there is a button to skip it anyway if you don't like it) choice before just makes it better.

[@serenitynow85]

This honestly takes a weight off my shoulders. No more thinking 'what if' I had choose the pack next to the one I chose

[@JeffKGaming]

I don't care what the truth is, it's always the pack to the right of the backwards one. Just like it's always bottom left on Wonder Pick.

[@AtorionRoberson-jz4cx]

this guy gets it

[@MIUT3D]

I actually like this, knowing that I wouldn’t have missed a rare for picking the wrong pack since it wasn’t there to begin with. Maybe that’s just me

[@regalroyn1011]

So you say I didn't need to stress over which pack to open?

[@fdrehug7318]

This makes sense, as others have stated if it mattered your open 10 would need a carasail as well. For wonder pick they are not random, the randomization process has a few simple methods to move the cards around, if you want to expirance it, the bonus pick if you focus on where the card is after "randomization" you will start to notice trends as to where things end up

[@scripturam]

I got 4 Charizard EX and still no Moltres EX what the heck Gia!

[@fabriziotempo7718]

same here

[@mikeweeks2078]

Can’t wait for trading

[@Paulxl]

I have 3 regular charizard ex and 2 immersive charizard ex and no moltres ex.

[@Paulxl]

Yeah. They do that in every gatcha game ever to prevent you to reroll the pack. And the wonder pick is there for you to have a 1 in 5 chance to get a card you want instead of the tiny chance you have to get it in a pack. This only bothers people who need to feel in control of what it's inside of the pack and either way you aren't in control. You can't control a random event no matter when it's determined.

[@sw3117]

Thing for me is… This game is ultimately designed for children. This tactic is wrong. Another tactic to get kids to beg for their parents credit card.

[@MaddyRose1998]

I’m actually glad it’s just random. Takes the pressure off trying to pick a good one, now I can just open the first one with no stress.

[@lothefish9344]

Idk I have used the bent pack trick and out of the last 10 or 11 packs I’ve gotten 9 ultra rares

[@TheRedOGRE]

Did you watch the video.. 😂

[@NazTheInfernal]

idc if its pre determined, looking for the crinkle makes me slow down and enjoy the process more

[@SlashBurner]

Thanks for ruining my belief in christmas

[@NikaiX2]

Your welcome. :3

[@ddc-diamonddancecenter5626]

its not manipulative. it is even written in the details how the draws works. as soon you choose a pack to open, it will determine every singel card in it from 1 to 5 and the best chances to get a good card is at 4 and even higher on 5.

[@sergioapolobarrerasuarez3014]

They are not ten, they are fifteen

[@MilenAnessar]

From experience of various Gacha games this actually make sense to be like that, there were many times something happened during the pull like App crashed before the result is up but the cards/characters/items are already sent to inventory when logging back in.

[@nath7690]

... wait ppl actually believe it different and not predetermined? Wh- oh right this is the actual "CHILDREN" card game nvm... Im actually like this feature tho i also like to peek on last card it bring me serotonin when i see rainbow 😊

[@mallowskycotl]

I don't really mind tbh, I kind of like it better that it isn't really a "multiple" choice thing. Just means I don't over think on which I'm choosing

[@dr4g00nk1d]

its the same tactic casinos use when you get into a bonus and have to pick mini, minor, major, jackpot its all predetermined for the fun of user interaction lol. Fools old people, children, gamblers of all sorts... illusion of free wil

[@shogunspade6872]

I think the argument for the wonder pack comparison to the carousel is dumb, cause like, you can't watch where the cards go anyways so the effect is the same. It's completely random so even if it was predetermined nothing would change.

[@helstrix_yt]

ahhh finally cracked the code. finally all of he click bait will stop

[@Ernie_And_Monkey]

I'm not surprised at all. Slot machine bonus rounds are predetermined also. Just play the game and have fun.

[@Ashketchup_18]

Every single pack is random thats what the devs told in the interview

[@jorgem.bustos446]

Everything they’re doing seems fine. After the novelty of the carousel wore off, I was happy I could speed up the process by hitting the bottom right button and knowing it didnt matter. The real problem would be an algorithm that’s adjusted to keep people playing. “This person hasn’t played in a while and they’re back, give them a hit.”

[@helstrix_yt]

lol they give the player a sense of agency, its no big deal. If youre upset over this than maybe give video games a break

[@never_ending2220]

I don’t get why people would hate that? This is a good thing because that means you aren’t potentially missing out on EX or other rare cards in the packs you don’t choose. It also means you will eventually get the card you want.

[@pokemaniacdavid]

Idk man this game could be a huge title but I feel like they’re missing the mark. As a huge pokemon fan myself(obv) I’m already finding myself forgetting to open my free pack.. I’ve gotten more trash packs off this app than in real life and tcg live easily. It’s disappointing.. and that’s coming from someone who’s spent more (than I feel comfortable mentioning on a random video) on real packs than anyone I know irl. They need to make the pull rates a little less whale-only friendly.

[@kyuhnfukaikage1283]

we'll have to see; they're still a very new game so things could change if not, then oh well at least we can all move on quickly

[@Cimmi1221]

I imagine it's a long-term game like all gachas. You get roughly 70 free packs a month, plus packs from levels and events etc, so if the stats I've seen are accurate, then give it several months to a year and you're statistically likely to have hit every current card and even pull a god pack. That seems pretty ftp to me. My only gripe is that there's not a whole lot of content right now and as the next packs come out it'll make it challenging for newer, casual, and ftp players to collect every card. Btw I'm completely ftp, level 15, and already 93/93 in the first expansion and I'm 13/14 on the Lapras event (missing the 20 wins on expert). Loving the game and the pack system - I just want more content and more packs. The weight has been good enough though.

[@pokemaniacdavid]

@ so true. I’m just used to being able to obtain any card I need for my deck with code card dust. I guess I’m a whale in my own way but damn I just want to play a charizard ex deck but can’t seem to pull what I need haha. Idk it’s frustrating. It’s a great distraction from the garbage world outside so I guess it’s not so bad. Peace

[@kyuhnfukaikage1283]

@@Cimmi1221 yeah im in it for the long haul too; lookin forward to seein the other expansions they add

[@TheThursty100]

If bend corners, fatter packs or anything, THAT would be rigged. Let's say it wouldn't be predetermined, every pack is just as random, truly unrigged. What would it matter if in that case every pack would be the same? It changes nothing, because you don't know what you get anyways.

[@anthonywalker7051]

Great thing that it's random/predetermined. Also would be for wonder picks. Visuals are good to make it exciting. Otherwise it invites multiple layers of variance that could undermine their promised randomness. We want it to actually be the odds that are promised. Nonsense like bent packs or backwards packs or knowing 1 of the 10 was good but you got a bad one are not good things.

[@paultom1430]

This is both relieving and annoying. I just pick anything now and hope for the best, but also hate the loss of choice. I know this might not make sense to everyone, but it would be nice to have at some options. It does make sense because it makes players spend $ to actually pull good stuff instead of staying f2p.

[@ultra_cosmic]

Im pretty sure wonder pick is rigged too. Still love the game i just wish it was more straightforward with rng

[@NoMiMiTo]

It's definitely rigged, too, but the free one is not rigged it's randomised but Definitely have pattern

[@Tragedy-Tv]

It seemed kinda obvious the wheel didn’t matter, thanks to the fact it offers you a skip button? (It just seemed pretty obvious to me) And it doesn’t give you a skip button on the wonder pick. But honestly I like that it doesn’t really matter so you never have to worry about “picking the bad one” When it comes to packs. But if you still wanna engage in a pack picking ritual for immersion, you can

[@Chris-rc6yu]

Imagine just dont know how the probabilities works. Don't matter is all are the same or all are different, it's random.

[@morthemex]

Software engineer here - It doesn't make sense to send out 10 packs. The goal is to make the player feel like they have a choice. It's classic gambling psychology, and right or wrong thats how these games work. Functionally however, the more packs you send, it linearly increases the amount of time it takes to generate and send the data, which has been proven to be detrimental to the player experience. On the day by day, players will be more likely to continue engaging with a fast experience that they feel like they have control over rather than a slow wone that they have some chance with. The wonderpick on the other hand only sends one request in any scenario. All 5 cards must be loaded for display, and all that would be necessary is randomizing the list/array the ids are contained in to make it work. Randomly predetermining the card you'll get does not save on performance at all, and the actual algorithm can likely be written in one line, so it doesn't make sense to not use data you already have and don't need to waste time or resources to use.

[@voltagespark7341]

Packs are rigged just as much as the coin flips are almost like the game was co-developed by some Chinese developer or something

[@justinkassel4281]

Bruh I swear everything is rigged in this game

[@Osjey]

if the carousel would matter it would change drop rates rapidly dividing them by 10 which would cause huge differences in lucky and unlucky people. Im glad it doesnt matter which one you pick.

[@khellilkhaled7997]

Where is the face cam, we want see DeezKayyd

[@adamvance2973]

Ok, from the Home Screen, select a pack like you’re going to open one, click on offering rates and then attention. It explains how it works and you’d have known from the beginning it was explained to you card selection for the pack doesn’t happen until after you pick one from the carousel. This isn’t a conspiracy. It’s been there. You can spin the packs and pick a different one if it makes you brain feel better, by all means it’s amusing, but it doesn’t affect anything.

[@DarthTalon5]

"10 Pack Carousel" There are actually 15. Flip one. Rotate around and count. Not hard to fact check that.

[@nolanpagay3410]

Missing the point

[@pablocamberos27]

Ok, so? XD

[@DarthTalon5]

@@nolanpagay3410 Not really. I watched the whole video. The packs are rigged. Makes sense. I can still correct the guy when he is talking so sure of himself and stating incorrect things too.

[@Yoshizuyuner]

@@DarthTalon5 is not actually rigged if they give you the percentage of what cards you can get in a pack

[@DarthTalon5]

@@Yoshizuyuner ....it is rigged in the sense that once u decide between Mewtwo, Charizard or Pikachu sets. The individual 15 packs are irrelevant, it is an illusion where your choice no longer matters. If I choose pack 5 or pack 13 I will get the exact same cards. Rates don't matter in this discussion.

[@thezombiesatemyhomework7412]

I can see where people would care, but I legitimately was relieved. I don't need to go through any extra steps now. Just rip and tear until it is done.

[@shikabaneconga]

bro why are you so angry..?

[@nightismonochrome]

As with all random gacha pulls, it's a schrodinger's box/cat. True, the data is already determined, but nobody knows what cards are drawn until its actually observed. Whether you observe the data directly from the server info, open the pack normally, or just press the skip button, you don't know until you reveal it.

[@jokerj2302]

Absolutely grimy to be showing additional packs when it in fact does not change what you receive.

[@davidalvarado9957]

Is it though? You are making is sound more nefarious than it actually is. It doesn't change the probability tables at all.

[@FightinTheGorlax]

The wonder pick likely does work exactly that way. We already know for a fact it CAN work like that because you're always going to get the full art starter on your first wonder pick

[@wyspreegamings6380]

I also found out that players can open packs facing away from you. Might be useful for extending pack opening content. 😄