Proper Flick Mechanics for Ultimate Frisbee

[@hisholinesssriak7618]

Hey Frank. Nice hearing from you again. Looks like good weather up there.

[@styrojeff]

Frank, golf swings and baseball swings are instrinsically always going to be more biomechanically similar to backhands because you have both hands on the stick. Ironically in both baseball pitches and football throws elite athletes throwing for speed or distance typically do pick up their back foot as they generate hip force, however in disc sport so much of the flight path is determined by disc spin speed and release angle we're willing to sacrifice some terminal velocity by releasing later in order to generate the relevant forces at the correct angles by stepping through.

[@DogsAndBaskets]

Show me one professional disc golfer that agrees with your argument.

[@styrojeff]

@@DogsAndBaskets Frank, as you know disc golf discs have heavier weights and smaller sizes and accordingly much different flight mechanics than a 175g Ultrastar. I don’t know why a disc golfer would necessarily have a better understanding of the other sports you demonstrated, either.

[@DogsAndBaskets]

@@styrojeff This is not even a serious argument. The only quais-serious argument is 'Frank, yes, you are correct about the body mechanics being flawed, but I need to be able to avoid getting blocked by the marker'. Let me put it this way. Had Ultimate been designed such that the pivot foot was heavily enforced (meaning that a traveling violation resulted in a turnover and the slightest traveling violation infraction was called every time), these bizarre throwing mechanics would have never evolved (or should I say devolved). You're saying that in all sports (golf, hockey, field hockey, lacrosse, baseball, football, rugby, cricket and frisbee golf) power, consistency and accuracy all originate from the core (hips, legs, torso, etc.) but because an Ultimate Frisbee disc is a different weight and size, all that goes out the window? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

[@styrojeff]

@@DogsAndBaskets A very bizarre response, as I never mentioned anything about a marker or a pivot foot. No, of course ultimate disc throws are not wholly unique, and there are some handlers who have historically kept their base very static when throwing forehands (Alex Thorne comes to mind). I'm saying that you've picked bad examples of equivalent movements. Stepping is not always necessary, but it helps with consistency and control, which is why so many players prefer it.

[@AdamHarrisMD]

Boxing has the hook, jab, and uppercut are all thrown from the front foot. They have plenty of power and known as the quickest punches in boxing. Also your throw at 10 minutes is the typical throw of an ultimate frisbee player.

[@DogsAndBaskets]

As does baseball when you're bunting. For all the sports I've gone through here in this video (football, baseball, golf, hockey, etc.), your legs, core, hips are where al your power, consistency and accuracy stem from. Besides that, in Ultimate, the mechanics on the typical flick are objectively flawed. You can't say this about boxing. There's no debate about this. The only debate is whether or not you need to 'step out' to avoid the marker blocking or altering your throw. The point is that the entire culture/community/sport plays the game in a way that is obvious to the fact that there's an entire paradigm for playing the game where you don't have to compromise your mechanics to get off a quality throw. If they understood this, the entire game would be different. As for your second comment, virtually no one has a quality flick dribble. Nobody throws like this.