Proroguing Parliament to Force No Deal? - Brexit Explained

[@spoopytime9928]

Drama: Intensifies Bojo: Soon PM Country: Split Queen: Immortal Hotel: Trivago

[@kennethhwang3425]

spoopytime Trivago is the cosmic abstract entity that this Universe deserves.

[@thelonesculler]

You are: My fire

[@macoud12]

r/hoteltrivago

[@grendelum]

I keep waiting for the Queen to dissolve this government...

[@TheCimbrianBull]

@@thelonesculler My one desire! 🎶

[@strofikornego9408]

Get back control by suspending your own Parliament 🤣

[@whoknew2273]

we need another march weather better now lol

[@KingScorpio84]

and then central Bank

[@manufer2]

...and replace the "unelected bureaucrats" by an unelected PM who overrules your elected MPs ^^

[@bendarling5573]

Temporarily suspend a currently rogue Parliament, full of maliciously useless, centrally-selected, antidemocratic, self-serving, career MPs who don't respect the referendum result, in order to ensure a fully sovereign Parliament and a better calibre of MPs with more responsibilities going forward. Where were all the "Parliamentary sovereignty!" types when said Parliament's powers were being repeatedly given away over the preceding decades? And where will they be if and when the Conservative and Brexit parties win a massive combined majority? As ever, globalists only claim to have particular principles as long as it suits their overall agenda. People who make comments like the OP's presumably also think that bullets should simply be left inside those who have been shot, because "injuring someone in order to heal them doesn't make sense!" Well, not if you refuse to look at the big picture.

[@catsandcrafts171]

@@bendarling5573 Globalits? We're all globalists. Business is global. Business is what make the economy go round. The economy is what puts dinner on everyone's table!!! What the hell is the problem with globalism?! We are part of Europe. We're part of the EU. We will always be, even if we leave the EU because business will (already is) moving over to an EU country and the rest of the UK will be poorer and more desperate than we've ever seen in our lifetimes.

[@givemeakidney]

And there was me thinking we lived in a democracy.. To clarify that, its "undemocratic" to hold a people's vote or a 2nd referendum but LEGITIMATE to prorouge PARLIAMENT to make changes to the country against parliaments will? That seems odd.

[@ionnanskilliorus6877]

No more odd than invoking Article 50 after a referendum that was riddled with lies and criminality.

[@alexanderrees1882]

Doesn’t seem that undemocratic since it would be essentially going over the head of the legislature to enact the will of the British electorate.

[@catsandcrafts171]

@@alexanderrees1882 Or going over the head of the majority of the British electorate, in order to enact the will of the minority.

[@sugoruyo]

@@alexanderrees1882 And yet, the most undemocratic thing, we're told, would be to have another referendum to make sure that the Brexit outcome REALLY is what the people wanted when they voted for it. Hope you enjoy Boris selling the country out to Trump.

[@givemeakidney]

@@alexanderrees1882 not so much. This is a "Parliamentary democracy". The clue is in the name. Additionally there is no legal weight to referendum decisions as they are advisory.

[@Yora21]

We basically did this in Germany in 1933. Would not recommend.

[@Martyntd5]

We're not Germany and it's not 1933.

[@agilemind6241]

Still allowing a prime minister to avoid their accountability to parliament through prorogation is extremely dangerous to democracy. The GGs decision in Canada to allow it for a month or so was very controversial and many thought she should have denied the prorogation entirely, and that prorogation wasn't nearly as politically important as this one (it was basically about the gov't lying to parliament about the current state of the economy and a utterly ridiculous proposed budget). Its astounding that the UK is potentially going to destroy their democracy in order to "escape" from the "undemocratic" EU which they just held elections for....

[@Yora21]

@@Martyntd5 No. Germans have learned from their mistakes. But back in 1933, lots of Germans thought it looked like a good idea at the time. What's the worst that could happen?

[@MrWhiteVzla]

can confirm. 1/5

[@ThePereubu1710]

@@Martyntd5 no, it's the UK in 2019 with over 30% of the electorate supporting far-right parties and prime ministerial candidates talking seriously about shutting parliament to force through a policy supported by a minority of the electorate... Not sure what your point is...

[@Markus__B]

So, there´s an Option for full "Kim-Jong-Johnson-Mode"? Interesting Plot for the next Season.

[@yavuzkoroglu7792]

More like there is an option for King Charles I vs Cromwell mode. Proroguing will solve the Brexit problem in favor of No Deal but will also alienate the House of Commons and therefore should have dire consequences to the future of the Crown.

[@mareksicinski3726]

@@yavuzkoroglu7792 Cool, long live the Republic!

[@cezarcatalin1406]

May the Queen save us from our own stupidity and reunite our divided nation... is a line I didn't expect to say seriously in 21'st century Europe.

[@croweater6814]

That is why britain still has a monarchy, they are immensly useful for when politicians fuck everything up. Australia discovered this when the Governor General dissolved parliament because the PM and the leader of the opposition were acting like children.

[@rivenoak]

technically it is by advice of Privy Council and if the Queen likes it, she could ask the councillors present in UK. this would include a lot of opposition MPs and opposition peers and also Speaker Bercow, who is an outspoke guardian of parliamental independence. the queen could then listen to their various opinions and just say "naaah, government was not convincing, sorry. back to work, my dear MPs" the queen is not the sassy lapdog of PM, but head of state still !

[@laststand3525]

@@croweater6814 You dont Need a monarch for that. Just electe a head of state for that. The royal family doesnt know anything about the country.

[@croweater6814]

@@laststand3525 the monarch has a vested intrest in the well being of the state. They are born, groomed and educated for nothing more than public service and they have no political aspirations. Nor can the monarch be corrupt, short channging the nation only short chnages themselves.

[@NoRegertsHere]

Hence the timely state visit of President Trump? That was a brilliant master stroke of diplomacy and was very interesting to watch.

[@dforscher]

like I have commented in other video .... 1. new Tory PM elected 2. new PM goes to Brussel to negotiate for new deal (EU says no) 3. new PM comes back and proposes no deal Brexit (Parliament says no) 4. new Tory PM election 5. new Tory PM elected 6. new PM goes to Brussel to negotiate for new deal (EU says no) 7. new PM comes back and proposes no deal Brexit (Parliament says no) 8. new Tory PM election 9. new Tory PM elected 10. new PM goes to Brussel to negotiate for new deal (EU says no) 11. new PM comes back and proposes no deal Brexit (Parliament says no) 12. new Tory PM election 13. new Tory PM elected 14. new PM goes to Brussel to negotiate for new deal (EU says no) 15. new PM comes back and proposes no deal Brexit (Parliament says no) 16. new Tory PM election 17. new Tory PM elected 18. new PM goes to Brussel to negotiate for new deal (EU says no) 19. new PM comes back and proposes no deal Brexit (Parliament says no) 20. new Tory PM election 21. ...... and so on

[@catsandcrafts171]

Eventually we get a GE, thank god.

[@sugoruyo]

Not gonna happen like that. 1) EU will finally have enough and say you're out by the end of the current EP's session. 2) Tories can't keep electing new Tory leaders to serve as PM an do Brexit. Eventually they will lose the 3-5 MPs that keep them in gov't and there will be a GE. 3) Unlikely the Tories will keep getting elected again and again. More likely Labour will get a coalition gov't together with Lib Dems or Greens (meaning they won't be able to do Brexit at all).

[@nessuno3783]

IMO the EU won't give another extension

[@ben76326]

@@sugoruyo I thought that the EU couldn't kick out the UK due to how article 50 works. Am I wrong in that assumption?

[@nessuno3783]

@@ben76326 if the EU says no to an extension the UK will be out on the 31st of October if they don't revoke art 50

[@danb8243]

Thanks for covering prorogation, love this channel covering stuff other news outlets don't

[@minimead368]

dan boot it’s why no body watches the news anymore

[@XPlaneAviation]

this quite clearly isn’t a news outlet

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Be careful. This isn't news. This is a VERY biased anti-Brexit channel based on opinions with high quality editing. This is the issue with modern media. I love it but most are not aware of how subtle the programming is for each side.

[@minimead368]

Sunset Sea 😂 the news is bias! even the BBC with it’s impartiality just plays into the hands of the brexit parties by avoiding asking obvious questions and follow up questions, allowing blatant fallacies to go unchallenged, not doing basic fact checking and giving known liars a repeated platform to spread lies & propaganda! This KZbin channel is just about facts, that if you check turn out to be true. Thats not bias and if you top it up with your own research which I hope you do, gives you a pretty good idea of what is really happening. This is what the news use to do, explain events with as little opinions as possible. The only people who find this channel bias are people who have biases of their own.

[@hornetobiker]

TLDR may be a commentator and educator but not a news outlet.

[@jensraab2902]

I know you are aware of this but listening how you phrase things one could get the impression that the UK decides if or when they leave. (Like when you say at 1:29 "they won't extend the window any longer".) This is not how it works, though. The default is that the UK will leave without a deal on the agreed date (currently 31 October) *unless* both parties, the UK and the EU, agree otherwise. As things stand, the UK can unilaterally agree to May's deal - we'll, it's not really unilateral but factually it is now since the EU has already agreed to it. And, of course, they could unilaterally revoke Article 50 as has been ruled by the ECJ. However, the UK *cannot* "extend the window" by themselves. They can *ask* the EU for an extension. If the EU doesn't grant it, then the UK will be out by 31 October. The UK parliament can reject a No Deal as often as it wants but a No Deal it will be unless a deal is agreed upon by *both* sides.

[@JeroenJA]

0:35 sec, warning complicated constituanal stuff.. watch so many vid's before, but that made me stop this one.. can't bare to much brexit nonsence for now so will just ignore untill someone became the new prime minister now to learn about it :)

[@Mefhisto1]

tldr; British parliament is like rocket science.

[@benjaminmeusburger4254]

You will have a verry good understanding how orbits / rockets etc function after playing 'Kerbal space program' .... but there is no easy/funny approach for the British parliament. It is just a total mess with a few hundred years of historical background as explanation ;-)

[@n30dark]

@@benjaminmeusburger4254 That's just because no one has done a game about the British Parliament. Someone call Coffee Stain Studios to get on it

[@Stray7]

And none of the MPs are Rocket Surgeons.

[@piotrfelix]

That's why continental law > common law. :)

[@meandmetoo8436]

The EU government is like quantic physics then.

[@douglaswarden2584]

Why have a Constitutional Monarchy if the monarchs are not utilized to help the government out when they have been torn by partisan party politics? The continual Brexit "holding pattern" is detrimental to the nation and to the economy.

[@michelguevara151]

because the queen is in her dotage, she has no idea of the power of her 'veto', and has never used it, not even to protect her SUBJECTS from corrupt and ignorant governments. the poll tax was one such event that should have been vetoed. making your slaves pay for a right to a say that is then denied by a corrupt political system that panders to the ultra rich is a step too far, but through it went despite many Lords speaking against it citing the Peasant's Revolt. the result is that most britons under 40 think you have to pay a fee to vote, so they don't register, further sqewing the results in the lobbyist's favour

[@VaradMahashabde]

Here in the darkest timeline, Queen Granny will be the saviour

[@TheReubstar]

I don't think she can because any decision she takes will antagonize one group or other. If she does not prorogue parliament then Brexiteers will be very annoyed. If she does, remainers will be angry. Both camps will argue the decision was undemocratic. There is no way out of the nightmare that is Brexit . . .

[@XBlueM0ndayX]

@@TheReubstar In no way can suspension of parliament be the 'more democratic' option. It's also a terrible precedent that undermines parliamentary sovereignty.

[@GeriatricFan1963]

Oh there's an easy way out: Civil war. It's very simple: One side kills the other.

[@j4296]

If all else fails, send a letter to the Dutch and blame the queen. Glorious Revolution 2: Electric Boogaloo.

[@TheReubstar]

@@GeriatricFan1963 Really, really hope it does not get to this of course, though.

[@hyksos74]

"To prorogue" - to suspend parliament to favour rogues.

[@grendelum]

*Prorogue,* a rogue who’s lost their amateur status.

[@Jon-id7ki]

Prorogue: (Noun) A Supporter of theft and Skullduggery

[@joshjeggs]

The rogue in this situation is acting the will of the people. that is the role of parliament.

[@ElKucykos]

James Sempy Rather Latin prorogo...

[@lioraselby5328]

orion khan is that a Calvin and Hobbes reference?

[@VanBurenOfficial]

100% in favor of giving the queen full control of brexit

[@Coldheart322]

Might as well go the whole hog and give her control of our government.

[@minimead368]

Coldheart322 is it not, her majesties government? the people govern on behalf of her majesty

[@negZero529]

Only if she rolls up on Marcon on a horse

[@Coldheart322]

@@minimead368 And they are doing such a good job of it.

[@meandmetoo8436]

A good monarch is a dead one.

[@SwissSareth]

Her majesty should just forcibly take control and reinstate absolute monarchy, at this point. She's been forced to watch these children for quite long enough, don't you think? XD

[@michelguevara151]

actually, she loves the pantomime of 'democracy', she doesn't actually think it's real..

[@mariovanderwesthuizen8536]

bet you didn't expect this video to explode the way it will in the next week. credit to you for being a step ahead mate.

[@SilvanaDil]

Branson: "There's no logic in it." Dowager Countess: "Oh, no, if I were to search for logic, I should not look for it among the English upper class. "

[@RubenKelevra]

10:00 that unofficial parliament thing is hard to understand, can you explain it more? 🤔

[@Bobbydyland]

Ruben Kelevra parliament js essentially a committee of citizen representatives. If they don’t want to sit, other citizens could in their place.

[@Carl-hs420a]

people are sovereign, not the queen parliament borrows sovereignty from the people for a set number of years if parliamentarians decide they want to change the rules, they can and given that parliament is full of traitors, they will

[@donashcroft93]

Since nobody had given you an answer (or at least a correct one) here is a rough explanation, just because parliament has been suspended nothing is stopping all the MPs meeting up and discussing political issues. This is an unofficial parliament and would be done out of protest and to show that parliament did not support the PM in their actions thus removing any political mandate to do so the PM may have had

[@RubenKelevra]

@@donashcroft93 do such an unofficial meeting have any power? 🤔

[@rmsgrey]

@@RubenKelevra Officially? No. In practice? Maybe. It depends on whether people choose to act as though they have power. In a constitutional crisis, the outcome generally comes down to whose flimsy justification people choose to accept - which could be the monarch and prime minister acting according to precedent, or could be the assembled elected representatives of the people acting as though they were legitimately convened.

[@averagecoloniser4586]

If the Queen does get involved in this then I count this the most insane moment in British history

[@zaedin1]

This week, on Days of our Brexit, the idea of a parliamentary prorogue is beginning to bring back the idea of the Queen just running an absolute monarchy while lawyers and politicians alike argue and ramble over it as it is used as a political football for the very first time. Meanwhile in the House of Conservatives, only two remain to become the head of the house with it being Boris Bike Johnson and Jeremy ‘Leader of the Forgotten’ Hunt, who of these two men will become the next head of the House of Conservatives and assume the title of Prime Minister, only will we find out in one month’s time. Meanwhile, Nigel Lord of Brexit Farage is continuing his mass push for a No-Deal Brexit despite falling short in Peterborough two weeks ago to Capitan Communist, Leader of the Labour’s Labour party while Jeremy Corbyn is currently waiting for his opportunity to try and kick the Conservatives out of Number 10. How will this all go, find out on Days of our Brexit.

[@EDoyl]

Sounds more like Game of Brexit with those kind of stakes.

[@SonOfExcess]

1 - The Brexit party campaigned for less than a month in Peterborough and still came within a few hundred votes of winning. Compare this to Labour, who have been campaigning since last December. 2 - The legality of Labours win in Peterborough is currently being investigated, with potential vote rigging being involved. 3 - Brexit supporting parties won the EU elections by far.

[@markdavis2475]

By far the best channel on You-Tube about the UK system of government and bloody Brexit!

[@hamzaaamir1157]

OMG GETTING SO MANY TLDR VIDEOS IS SUCH A GREAT FEELING

[@VanBurenOfficial]

Praise be Theresa May! Praise Be! She was the most pure of all humans! She was the maester of Eærth! We repelled Ceasar from Brition! We will trancend all time and space as a free state! Thank YOU madam PM!

[@blafoon93]

In earlier times this kind of mess in parliament would be seen as a chance to get back into power by a monarch. I don't like monarchy as a government form but it would be hilarious if it happened to the Brits.

[@niggettmcmuffin5662]

Cant have the option, then whine if it happens, however the monarchy are already 50-50 here like or hated, if the queen did it, it would b the start of the end of the Monarchy

[@alfonsom.2473]

The 3rd season achieve to be more interesting than the other two. ¡Cannot wait!

[@rasho2532]

I'm not British but I think that the queen should choose parliament over the prime minister. And it she should take account of the fact that PM wants to do this to bypass parliament and therefore the will of the people

[@niggettmcmuffin5662]

but what about the people? did you consider them

[@IanTdob1966]

The will of the people was expressed in the referendum where 52% voted to leave , Parliament is going against the will of the people . For example ,In one constituency 60% of the people voted to leave and yet the MP has vehemently opposed Brexit despite that they are meant to represent the will of their constituency .

[@rasho2532]

When I say the will of the people the people I didn't mean they do what the people I meant that they were democratically elected. Look, the Parliament isn't supposed to do what the people want them to do but what is best for the people. So they can't disagree. Moreover the MPs aren't against the will of the people. Some are for an another referendum which isn't against the will of the people. And most want Brexit to happen but they want it to happen right because if it doesn't the people in the UK will suffer. You can't just rush everything and it is in the best interest of the UK to gey a deal with the EU which the world's biggest economic power.

[@rasho2532]

Also I feel like 52% isn't the will of the people cause it ignores 48% of the people. You can't force a hard brexit on everyone if only half of a nation wants it. Therefore according to me, they should do Brexit but they should compromise to accommodate 48% of the population who wanted to stay in the EU and the leavers who wanted a deal

[@IanTdob1966]

@@rasho2532 the referendum was a simple in or out vote , ( out we were told was leaving all the institutions of the EU , we were told this by both sides of the argument.) 52% is a majority of the people who voted and in the UK that is all that is required . If the vote was 52/48 the other way to remain , do you think that they would take account of a minority in that case ?

[@AllTheSwarf]

“Now Dominic Raab is out of the leadership race this whole thing becomes less likely”. News today: Government to ask queen to suspend parliament

[@aspzx]

Thanks, this is an amazing video even by TLDR standards. Didn't realise prorogation was so complex and had so many nuances.

[@brianbob7514]

I think she would be choosing between the parliament and the people.

[@Bustaperizm]

Ssssh. Cant point out the bias.

[@brianbob7514]

Bustaperizm I am sorry. Please do not send the helicopters.

[@samjohnston5657]

The queen needs a better avatar a grey person with a crown isn’t fitting

[@weakboson7813]

probably treason tbh

[@vladsnape6408]

David Icke would agree. Definitely not a grey person.

[@RIPBlueInk]

I just bought a house so I've cut most of my Patreon. You're first in line when I start to back folk again... Changed my mind, I'm off to go shuffle things. You deserve paying for this stuff

[@joepod]

Update coming shortly...

[@ambsemlay]

this channel makes me feel wayyyy cleverer than i actually am

[@hermask815]

This channel surely makes you in fact cleverer than the politicians actually are.

[@skeletronas5867]

This is the best independent news channel. Prorogation gets 0 coverage and nobody knows about that. And now we know!

[@slangjo1]

PM: Prorogue Parliament Pls. Queen: * Dissolves Parliament instead *

[@croweater6814]

11 years tyranny ensues.

[@aidanclarke6106]

Steven Lang - Can she dissolve BoJo instead?

[@forlornvaalan7630]

All you had to do was leave. NO FUCKING DEAL. JUST LEAVE.

[@Szergej33]

6:08 you say "preliminary legislation" and write primary legislation. This is just typo tho, keep up the good work on the videos.

[@JontyLevine]

It wouldn't be TLDR News without the occasional editing goofs.

[@GraphitePen]

Actually, he says "prelimary" twice, once obviously edited in, while showing "primary"

[@shane163]

But if it gets to the 31st of October and there's no agreement with the EU, doesn't no deal brexit happen automatically regardless of what the UK parliament say?

[@catsandcrafts171]

No, it just means we're back at the same place we were on 29th march, and then end June (or whenever that second deadline was). Either leave with no-deal or go back to the EU for an extension.

[@shane163]

@@catsandcrafts171 but if the EU won't entertain the idea of another extension

[@thepodcastcrew1113]

So prorogation is completely democratic but having a second referendum is not?

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

Correct.

[@niggettmcmuffin5662]

yep thats corrct, i voted remain, but undrstand how i would feel if rmain had won, and parliament didnt implemnet it

[@niggettmcmuffin5662]

@@thepodcastcrew1113 - i'm not saying its the way i would go, but i dont think it will matteer 1 hoot Come 31st OCT, parliament will be further away, from MAYS deal the Government wont bring about law for a 2 ref.... nor a election, unless Tories are a shoe in to win. so tell me, the EU have no need to givee an eextenstion, France already said it. My point is,if brexit fails to happen via another ref, it opens up a dangerous Precedence, that any future public vote, can be over turned by a parliament majority, an example would be, an out-going majority government, could refuse to go, say the public didnt understand, th incoming government will ruin the UK etc... while that may seem far fetched, but the day after the ref, if i said a 2nd ref would happen before implematation, you'd said the same. Sorry my keyboard sticks a bit on certain letters Also many other countries hav used this system. so its not really unheard of.

[@agilemind6241]

@@niggettmcmuffin5662 You are incorrect that is not the precedent it would set. The referendum was explicitly designed to not be binding on Parliament, even if the current result is overturned by parliamentary majority a second referendum where the legislation that enacts it states it is legally binding could not be overturned in such a way. Hence why a second legally binding referendum on two clear options should be held, whether that is Remain vs May's Deal or Remain vs No Deal or May's Deal vs No Deal.

[@niggettmcmuffin5662]

@@agilemind6241 its not 100% the same nothing ever is.. but parlament over riding a public vote, binding or not.. does set precesdnt to go further, of coursee it does. and things always happen in stages... this would be the first stage, and be used by a new speaker in future years or a government to point back on, and say we have some prrecdent for ignoring the will of the people

[@owenriley188]

Using all these examples for my politics A-level! Thank you so much.

[@maroonedmind]

If I become a Patreon backer, will I get to see videos where you cut out all the 'before we start, I just want to...' from your videos?

[@SGProductions87]

You could just press your right arrow key a few times ;)

[@conors4430]

It’s ironic how the same people claiming having another vote for the public would be undemocratic are perfectly comfortable with it being decided by the Conservative party prime minister aerial election process with candidates who are happy to shut down parliament in order to get their way. Very democratic

[@Nickle314]

On another vote. Why would remainers accept losing a second referendum?

[@maciej5310]

@@Nickle314 They would accept it if the No deal option (remain and deal too) would have been put down on the ballot paper and got majority

[@Nickle314]

@@maciej5310 They didn't accept the first vote. They won't accept the second. I'm in favour of a no deal or May's deal vote. The leave has already been decided. What would be even better is the right of consent is put into law. Then remainers like yourself can consent to the deal. Get EU passports and all the costs Leavers say no, don't get the passports, and get a tax cut.

[@FriedrichHerschel]

@@Nickle314 Second referendum should be: 1. leave with no deal 2. leave with May's deal 3. leave, but with a re-negotiated deal 4. don't leave & revoke Art. 50. Do what the most people side on, but #4 only if it got 50%+. Only then it superceeds the previous referendum (just because the leave part is split in more options to finally know which way of leaving the public wants shouldn't decrease the chances of the leave supporters in general). If parliament can't figure a way out, it should be given back to the people to decide. Sadly, the UK hasn't the time for that to happen.

[@Nickle314]

@@FriedrichHerschel It's obviously gone over your heads but. 1. The public said leave 2. MPs said leave 3. The lords said leave 4. The courts said leave. Can you not spot the pattern?

[@davekincla9818]

Always insightful and informative. Thanks man!

[@hrishijagadees1234]

All former colonies looking at each other..."these guys ruled an empire? Really??"

[@ElKucykos]

I'm in love with complexity of UK constitutional system.

[@AP-yx1mm]

I hope they don't have to force the Queen in the taking a position, she didn't deserve to be used by political opportunists in this brexit chaos...

[@Carl-hs420a]

The Queen is the Queen; it's her job to be the last line of defence against a corrupt and self-serving parliament, and she has failed at that. Part of her legacy will be that she reigned while her government (keyword: her) covered up the rape gangs, let immigration get out of control, flogged off the nation's gold reserves, invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for America's petrol dollar. Now, the Queen is sitting idly by doing nothing while her government (again, keyword: HER) ignores the referendum results of 2016--the largest democratic vote ever held.

[@alantbaird]

@@Carl-hs420a 'largest democratic vote ever held' - nonsense. Even if you restrict yourself to talking about votes in the UK you're still wrong. Please get your facts straight and educate yourself a little before getting involved in this discussion.

[@toogaytofunction3029]

@@Carl-hs420a That's treason. Watch your mouth.

[@beachcomber2008]

Poor queen. Just a little more equal than anyone else, for some unknown reason.

[@Carl-hs420a]

@@alantbaird Sorry, Mr Globalist, I was referring to the largest vote ever held in the UK. I wasn't sure it needed qualifying, but I guess most of you are rootless and no country is your home, so it does.

[@kurgo_]

I'm missing the part where "the people voted and we must abide by their choice" works only for the electorate and not the parliament. Oh right, it's the good old "only when it suits my interests".

[@XBlueM0ndayX]

The referendum was a poorly phrased question. At a minimum, it should have been phrased with four options: 1. Remain; 2. Leave, but only with a deal; 3. Leave, preferably with a deal; 4. Leave without a deal, trade on WTO terms. That way, you'd actually have a mandate, rather than a hopelessly divided country. Food for thought and a lesson for next time. While you're at it, get rid of first past the post voting.

[@ahmedistheshit]

The word is “Prerogative” not “Perogative”. I like TLDR and I know it seeks to become a credible source of news. I therefore expect it to apply high standards to the correctness of its production.

[@Phantom_Kraken]

I understand this but I will say it sounds like a game of yugi oh with all the counter rules

[@tygonmaster]

What does Pot of Greed do again?

[@ayaansiddiqui4244]

Anyone rewatching this bc Johnson’s actually proroguing Parliament.

[@Steven_Rowe]

I think the Queen should disolve parliament, sulphuric acid works well. I think it needs a total overhaul and new blood

[@mandowarrior123]

Don't request acid attacks, even as a joke.

[@gentlemanvontweed7147]

@@mandowarrior123 Don't molest children, even as a joke.

[@mandowarrior123]

@@gentlemanvontweed7147 don't steal a policeman's helmet, even as a joke.

[@VME-Brad]

"Something is wrong if we resort to asking the Queen" Yes, but isn't that why she still has powers? so that she CAN step in if something is that far off track? Heck even if there was an act of parliament to stop the pro-roguing, couldn't the queen simply not give her royal assent? At this stage unless enough MPs get together to sort this out, the Queen will basically be making the choice no matter what.

[@ThePereubu1710]

You just have to love those "democracy" supporters who feel the best way to act is to, effectively, end democracy!

[@gwpcs]

Do you mean the people calling for a second referendum, the people who just want to completely cancel brexit, or the people who want to prorogue parliament? All these groups claim to be pro democracy whilst actively working against democracy!

[@pauladams4886]

Like parliament has done with brexit for 3 years ? If this is what has to be done to honour a democratic decision then so be it

[@gwpcs]

@@pauladams4886 It's foolish to remove our representatives and expect our representative democracy to survive. Just like it's foolish to vote in favour of upholding a referendum then doing everything in your power to over rule the peoples decision (Every sitting MP prior to the referendum voted to uphold the result whatever it may be!). It is also completely insane to demand a second vote just because you didn't get your way (don't set that precedent else we will never be able to change our representatives and then we have oligarchy not democracy)! I don't claim to know what the answer is but I do know that if we want to keep democracy we can't destroy it in the process (unless we already have a new democratic solution to replace the currently broken model we use.)

[@gentlemanvontweed7147]

@@gwpcs Indeed. All Remainers should be rounded up into camps for the duration of Brexit so they cannot sabotage the democratic process.

[@FriedrichHerschel]

@@gentlemanvontweed7147 Yeah, and call those "concentration camps" ... Are you nuts?

[@andyswheelchair]

Very good informed research here TLDR. Think some of our MPs need to watch this as i think they dont understand the importance of this subject. Great work..

[@frmcf]

You've got a typo in the title: "proguing"

[@frmcf]

Also, you've spelled 'prerogative' incorrectly in the graphics.

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

Lots of illiteracy on display in this kids videos.

[@markrutte9180]

It’s written in law that UK can legally leave at the end of an agreed period (31oktober) concearning article 50. So they can just let the deadline pass which is totally legal. Why didn’t you mention that?

[@daviethelion5131]

Why did you Reupload this video? I saw it yesterday...

[@JohanDjurholm96]

Fantastic video and channel! Thank you so much for this!

[@mranimazing2190]

I came here just after listening to Crazy by Gnarls Barkley and I think it's the perfect theme tune for Brexit now

[@Stray7]

I remember when I remember, I remember when I lost my mind There was something so pleasant about that place Even your emotions have an echo in so much space And when you're out there, without care Yeah I was out of touch But it wasn't because I didn't know enough I just knew too much Does that make me crazy? Does that make me crazy? Does that make me crazy? Possibly And I hope that you are having the time of your life But think twice That's my only advice Come on now, who do you Who do you, who do you Who do you think you are? Ha ha ha, bless your soul You really think you're in control? Well I think you're crazy I think you're crazy I think you're crazy Just like me My heroes had the heart To lose their lives out on a limb And all I remember, is thinking I wanna be like them Mmhmm ever since I was little Ever since I was little it looked like fun And it's no coincidence I've come And I can die when I'm done But maybe I'm crazy Maybe you're crazy Maybe we're crazy Probably ooh hmm

[@trainman07011]

TLDR - you'd serve us all and yourself best by not taking a side at all. EVER. Your simplicity and factual integrity has catapulted you to where you currently stand. Do not ruin it.

[@adityajamkhindikar]

Can the queen not just forward the request for prorogation to parliament?

[@whoknew2273]

got nothing to do with the queen

[@EDoyl]

even if she could (and that would effectively be refusing the request), it would still be a HUGE decision to do so. If the queen is ever in a position to make a decision on her own like this the system's wrecked. You never want anything to be the choice of one person who wasn't elected. If democracy was to be so badly disrespected like that then why even respect the leave referendum result in the first place?

[@teddypicker8799]

Love the Queen but leaving the fate of the country to a 93 year old doesn't sound like good politics to me lol

[@agilemind6241]

No, not really. The queen is technically above parliament and the prime minister so when they cannot decide for themselves the decision is forwarded to her not the reverse. In theory, parliament could pass a law saying the PM can only request for prorogation if parliament agrees to it (such rules were proposed but not implemented in Canada following our prorogation crisis as it was ruled it would require changing the Canadian Constitution which cannot be done with a simple act of parliament). What she could to is: (1) accept the prorogation but change the length of it to allow parliament to reconvene to potentially stop No Deal - following the precedent of the Canadian GG. (2) deny the prorogation but allow the PM to request a new one if the parliament agrees to it - setting a new precedent but potentially following the principle of "responsible government" as such a use of prorogation could be seen as a subversion of democracy (as suggested by a Canadian Lieutenant governor) (3) accept the prorogation as requested in accordance with constitutional tradition.

[@Bustaperizm]

@@whoknew2273 clearly it does or it wouldn't be an option. But if you mean it "shouldnt", then I agree. Parliament should just uphold democracy.

[@ahorrell]

This is great damn channel guys. I never thought that learning about something this obscure would be so easy and engaging

[@grendelum]

Wow, 250k+ subscribers... wasn’t that long ago there were only a couple hundred of us... good job !!

[@MrBremenkamp]

Accurate AF! Thank you for your videos! I’ve been following since february, when I read the news today came right back to this video. It’s crazy how far-fetched the idea of prorogation seemed, and now it’s just about to happen, bringing even the Queen into this major hurricane of british politics that has become Brexit. Based on my very limited knowledge of british history, I’d say it is the greatest challenge to it’s political system to ever happen. Every aspect of it seems complex, every problem solved adds ten new ones to the puzzle. I wonder what’s about to come in the coming months, it’s been like watching a political soup opera!

[@johnnyreggae969]

Proroguing parliament If that’s the only way of serving democracy then so be it

[@lost329]

Lol, the past look so sane from the future.

[@clowncarqingdao]

Excellent! The PM prorogues Parliament. Chaos ensues. The PM is executed.

[@lawrencejames8011]

No trial ?

[@untergehermuc]

And then? No Deal Brexit. Only one who can avoid this is parliament by agreeing the withdrawal agreement. There is no other way - or is the queen able to agree to it?

[@KathyClysm]

Listening to all this, as someone from the remaining EU27, I am seriously wondering what is even going on. Like, is there still anyone at this point who thinks this is worth it? Or has the UK reached the point where this whole Brexit thing has become a matter of principle because calling it off would seem like admitting that you f**ked up? I mean, don't get me wrong, over the last two years, there have been a number of different opinions on the UK people throughout the rest of Europe, but really, the longer this goes on, I kinda think we just feel bad for you all for getting saddled with whatever THIS is.

[@Michelrs]

you should give power to the Mad Queen and her dragons.

[@Naptosis]

Queen Elizabeth has Trident missiles. Dragons have nothing on that.

[@earthman6700]

@@Naptosis Hmmm, it does make me wonder. I rather hope the military would side with commonsense rather than let the £ continue to slide, the Stock exchange continue to dip and the rest to crumble.

[@Prinsgezindepatriot]

Parliament would not have to accept a no deal, right? All they have to do is let the deadline pass without accepting a deal, since EU law specifies that the UK leaves at that date. Internal UK law does not affect the functioning of EU law, after all.

[@czarzenana5125]

Correct. There was a proposal to make no-deal illegal, but parliament rejected it (by a very small margin).

[@MrGonzonator]

Excellent video, thanks again for your hard work understanding all this on our behalf. Interested to know, did Johnson exclude himself from the previous leadership contest because he foresaw the Brexit fudge? Is this him swooping in for the killshot, or is he being forced into sipping from the poisoned chalice by his impatient backers?

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

It is so disappointing that you children need to be spoon fed information like this.

[@MrGonzonator]

@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda sorry Daddy, it's because you didn't beat me hard enough, shall I bend over again?

[@thegrandmuftiofwakanda]

Yes.

[@sixmagpies]

The only 'crazy' here are those politicians who, self-evidently, would go into a showroom to negotiate on a new car, but first agree with the salesman that they definitely WOULD buy it even if they got a crap deal.

[@grendelum]

*Prorogue,* a rogue who’s lost their amateur status.

[@Wienerblutable]

It’s simple, they won’t do that. And the queen wouldn’t take the blame after no deal. Boris won’t do it, he will blame the EU, that they not renegotiate. It will only be a blame game, not really politics

[@Reydriel]

You mean, exactly like politics >_>

[@Nickle314]

No deal is the sucessful outcome

[@mfbqboqbjmbijxk8050]

Nickle How so?

[@Nickle314]

@@mfbqboqbjmbijxk8050 May's deal costs 80 bn a year. We can save that, massive tax cuts and increases to state services.

[@danculea7865]

@@Nickle314 You forgot the part where the economy shrinks and the government receives less money from taxes. You also forgot about the cost of setting up and operating border checks for goods and people.

[@DerGrueneApfel]

I kind of don't see how parliament needs to approve of no deal since it is still the default option. It's true, MPs voted against no deal, but that doesn't really matter. No deal will happen on October 31st unless parliament either approves of the deal, retracts article 50 or asks for another extension which needs to be granted by the EU. The first two options are highly unlikely to be approved by parliament, the third option is highly unlikely to be approved by the EU.

[@amulyamishra5745]

My sympathies with the Queen 😅

[@joshjeggs]

please explain the phrase that "to leave with no deal , parliament would have to accept it" I am under the impression that for there to be any other option article 50 would have to be extended, a deal would have to pass or parliament revoke article 50.

[@spike9653]

However, parliament has also in a legally binding manner agreed that they will not allow no deal thus the dilemma arises

[@joshjeggs]

@@spike9653 not sure what you are referring to. How do you legally agree that the part of law in article 50 does not apply ....without revoking it. Or creating a overriding law.

[@ryanmassie448]

2:15 And they think a second referendum is undemocratic.

[@SarcaZmOn]

One of the best vids you've created! What have you graduated? Anything like politics or History or how do you get all this information otherwise?

[@maekailb]

When populism goes so far as to require a sidelining of democracy.

[@99IronDuke]

The largest British democratic vote in history was to LEAVE the anti democratic EU.

[@mfbqboqbjmbijxk8050]

99IronDuke How is the EU undemocratic? We just had EU elections did we not?

[@hyksos74]

Maybe the Queen has a fourth option - tell the PM she'll do it if a majority vote for it in the House of Commons.

[@domc3040]

That would be exactly the same as refusing to do it though. There'd be no need to prorogue in the first place if the PM had a majority!

[@agilemind6241]

That's the same as saying she won't do it because prorogation wouldn't be necessary if the majority of the Commons agreed with the PM.

[@antonioposa4070]

Did you mean "proroguing", in title section?

[@iainmackie7064]

If Parliament is still sitting, and 31 Oct comes, and Parliament still has not agreed a Withdrawal Bill, I don’t understand how Parliament can avoid a No Deal exit. Surely it happens UNLESS Westminster AND Brussels agree not to. So if the EU won’t re-negotiate, and won’t agree another extension, do we not just leave by default? And wouldn’t that be a No Deal leave?

[@nessuno3783]

The only thing the UK could do at that point is revoking art 50

[@iainmackie7064]

Nessuno indeed. But I’m not sure there is a majority in Parliament to revoke it. And if not, wouldn’t we just stop being members on 1 Nov?

[@juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876]

Spanish politics look tame compare to this

[@korndanaiakawat5459]

Rewatch this today as it is now proposed.

[@Reynevan100]

UK: Second referendum would be undemocratic Also UK: Copying Germany from 1933 is democratic and a good idea pikachuface.jpg

[@1979erok]

Bring on the prorogue

[@chrisg5433]

The title says Proguing not Proroguing

[@TLDRnews]

Amazing spot, thanks so much 😀

[@88888888tiago]

This is better than Harry Potter

[@francischan57c]

UK is truly f.. ked for good

[@beachcomber2008]

Gutless wimps scared of losing something they never deserved in the first place.

[@scott72able]

You’re wrong on ‘no emergency powers’. Ministers hold those powers, not the Parliament. In an emergency situation, Ministers have a wide range of powers to acquire or borrow assets, direct persons or entities, use the resources of the military and civil service, make temporary orders to ensure order and good government.

[@sammjust2233]

so it's happening

[@joepod]

You can't spell prorogue without rogue.

[@Ad4m89]

No Deal is the real Brexit

[@MelbourneMeMe]

So tldrs official position is that poroguing parliament can't be done because: it would be crazy 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 That sounds like double speak for "it's completely possible"

[@jonsmustache7704]

Alec Lewis It’s doublespeak for “entirely undemocratic and unconstitutional”. And if it did happen, I look forward to watching the UK reap the consequences of its actions.

[@MelbourneMeMe]

@@jonsmustache7704 undemocratic and unconstitutional? It's literally a function of parliament.... Seems like you rabid lefties are letting your bias cloud your vision... Tldr say "it would be really difficult", when they actually mean "we really don't want this to happen"...

[@tryrshaughroad551]

Did you even watch the video? They didn't say it couldn't be done, they said it depends on the Queen agreeing with the PM and that an unofficial parliament does not form

[@jonsmustache7704]

Alec Lewis Proroguing parliament isn’t a function of parliament, it’s a function of the absolute power of the monarch being acted on parliament.

[@tessieract]

I don't get it, what can Parliament do to stop No Deal? AFaik they can't force an extension (and the EU isnt obligated to grant one), they can't revoke (afaik) but even if they could, I doubt that'd pass even if no deal was the other option. A GE could happen, but it wont happen before the deadline. So like... why is proroguing even needed? What am I missing?

[@CM_Burns]

Make Brexit Great Again.

[@samuelolaogun9044]

Confusion and confusion goes on and on and on.

[@chrisvoiceactingvoiceover1431]

Parliament cannot pass primary legislation if the Government doesn’t bring any forward. The Government controls the timetable.

[@stevewood8914]

Parliament can vote to take control of the timetable, if they so choose and the speaker allows it, and they have already done so this year.

[@alexpotts6520]

In an otherwise pretty dull debate, I found it extraordinary that Dominic Raab described the notion of a Citizens' Assembly as "the sort of thing that happens in Venezuela", when his own plan to prorogue Westminster was far closer to what has happened in that country, where Nicolas Maduro suspended the Venezuelan parliament because it was about to impeach him.

[@aquilatempestate9527]

Britain should do whatever it takes to regain its sovereignty and enact the result of the referendum. If that means temporarily neutering a Parliament wildly out of step with the electorate, then so be it.

[@discogareth]

Aquila Tempestate we never lost our sovereignty in the first place!

[@northshorepx]

Parliament was elected after the referendum so is therefore the legitimate will of the people. They chose to not elect a govt of one party or another. Since parliament is sovereign, this means parliament gets to decide.

[@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-]

@Gareth Jones Tell that to the European court of justice

[@Sparrowash97]

I believe that if the democratic vote is ignored for too long the queen will tell parliament they have a democratic mandate to fulfil a majority vote. And if they still ignore it he might prorogue parliament

[@MrGeorocks]

She might not, she might not be keen on brexit in any way shape or form. Problem being shes the hereditary head of state and the worst that can happen is she steps down and charles takes over and says the same thing because who is going to do different when their mother was rudely ousted and so on down the line. She hasn't made mention of her views on the subject in any way, as is proper, but she could tell boris to shove it if he tries to suspend the democratic process to force through an advisory vote. Personally I want the UK to leave, I'm looking forward to it. Rip the bandage off and take that plunge onto the rocks and so on. It'll teach british people two things, the first being don't ignore important votes that can fuck your country over in such a spectacular way and the second will be where it's place in the new world is. Fighting to keep Scotland from leaving and trying to figure out how to trade when the two closest land masses to the UK won't give them special favourable trade conditions and they are left to eat whatever the US sends over. How long till the EU starts to provide medicine in aid to avert the humanitarian crisis in the UK from having no quick access to medicines? Or fresh food? If cars seem expensive now wait till they prices go up because of the need to charge more to overcome the tarriff charges, it's not like the british automotive industry can cope given that the only reason some of the brands still exist is because of foreign investment and they are pulling out. So are the banks, leaving a smaller amount of places to get loans from meaning without competition they can charge more interest because where else can people go? Insurance is the same deal, no competition so rates go up. Cost of living increases so wages need to go up so people have more money so businesses charge more so cost of living increases so wages need to go up and that spirals so the pounds value drops against other currency so everything costs more to import and so on..............This has happened in other places, in other times right across the globe and it's going to happen again. During the second world war massive shipments were needed to just feed the british population because their supply line to the continent was cut off. The entire empire, along with neutral nations, couldn't feed the poplulation without massive rationing and the population has grown since and the empire dissapeared.....but the UK will find that out the hard way.