Pros and Cons of Wireless? Long-Term SRAM AXS Review

[@vitalmtb]

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[@danytheunicorn95]

pretty cool!

[@headoverbars8750]

As a software engineer Im stoked big time. Live suspension, AXS wireless, Shits the future and while it is pricey now that will change. Great trend, my frame was less but I would absolutely buy it once it comes down even to the 1.5k range but I hope l this tech will settle at just above the 1k price point in a couple of years.

[@ryanhines6194]

I've had bad luck with sram derailleurs snapping when I'm riding on my driveway. So I'm not dropping 2k on it

[@maxMax-ns9pg]

@Vital MTB Concerning the clutch on the derailleur....do you think it’ll ever give way, or is it just worn in? I’m worried as I just ordered an upgrade kit and I’m worried that it will drop in clutch quality

[@bicyclingbum1551]

Would be cool to see a wireless drive train system that recognises the torque or pressure your putting at the pedals then to convert that to a motor on the back wheel, effectively getting rid of the chain , cassette and derailuer or someshit idunno.

[@diegoarranz2518]

What if someone uses a signal jammer in an enduro race 😂

[@natcrawford5101]

Or better yet, connect another shifter to someone's drivetrain when nobody's looking.

[@faruqhossain5314]

it really doesn't matter because you can go without a dropper post. and second enduro race teams are very careful with there race bikes

[@TAZMON20]

Try hacking someone's phone, it's as difficult to hack someone's AXS system.

[@dasgoofinhiemer5039]

@@TAZMON20 signal jammer, not hacking.

[@TAZMON20]

@@dasgoofinhiemer5039 The SRAM communication protocol, called Aeria, uses powerful spread spectrum radios to eliminate this possibility of trail side jamming / hacking, the system was given over to cryptographers and hackers and to date the system has never been compromised.

[@baddriversofcolga]

It's certainly interesting and all, but one of the nice things about most bikes is that they don't rely on electronics or batteries to work.

[@kerbodynamicx472]

What if those electric group sets have a little generator on one of the idlers? It probably only takes a fraction of a watt to run them.

[@leestephenson7042]

Agree, there’s enough gadgets and gizmos to charge as it is, it’s just that extra hassle of finding where you left the cable so you can hook it up, and then finding somewhere vacant to charge it. One of the easiest things about riding a bike is changing the gears as it is, it’s a spot on system that perfectly matches the mechanical, simplicity and cleanliness of getting around totally under your own steam.

[@oanatudor1339]

Wireless brakes. Its all fun and games till the battery runs out on a downhill track

[@yosyp5905]

it's all fun and games untill you have a leak or your cable snaps

[@Blackevilmisanthrope]

If one goes out use the other.

[@nighthawk0077]

Don't exist

[@datdudeinred]

That's why they didn't develop them. Do you really think they are unable to make brakes wireless too?? 😂 Ofc they must have designed it but waiting for graphene batteries... But then again there should be a failsafe if battery runs out

[@yosyp5905]

@RollinRat Most vehicles also use electronics to reliably regulate hundreds of values every second. an electronic shifter is far more accurate than a mechanical one, maybe I say even more reliable. you just need to manage the battery and you're done. a metal cable requires more maintenance.

[@fradd4045]

"you can shift whenever because its electronically controlled" ive been shifting whenever on all my bike since before sram was even a company

[@esvegateban]

I had to ride my bike to check if I still could shift whenever using cables.

[@sasquatchhq5757]

fradd I believe by that he meant under torque when going uphill, but you do you.

[@esvegateban]

@@sasquatchhq5757 your beliefs have little relevance against what he actually said. You'll do you, of course, and keep believing what you want.

[@blackblaze1996]

@@esvegateban Im pretty damn sure thats what he meant since it looks like thats what he did. Not to mention it wouldnt make sense to say otherwise.

[@fradd4045]

@@sasquatchhq5757 even if he did shimano (cable)groupsets have been capable of that for more than 20+ years. electronics has nothing to do with the interface of chain and cassette

[@vandelkyra]

pro: wireless con: battery

[@lukefarrell117]

james cuvier con: price

[@zfine1450]

I agree. Something about a bicycle that REQUIRES a battery to ride turns me off. (ok for those of us who can afford multiple bikes, but not for your only bike).

[@brakesforsnakes757]

I've been using & loving Eagle AXS for just over a year and I keep a backup battery in my pack that I've never had to use on the trail. It's a dream to use and worth every penny.

[@zfine1450]

@@brakesforsnakes757 , never had the pleasure but am told that you'll never go back to cables. I certainly have no issues with modern battery powered devices. Was considering an "apocalyptic" scenario where batteries could not be charged.

[@stanislavkindiakov6334]

Business for a million! Wireless breaks!!

[@roblalinde2459]

Watching your video pushed me to drop the hammer on the purchase. I've been toying with the idea of AXS and I am most definitely a tech geek, but the price is what held me back. Initially it was because when this stuff first came out, you had to buy the full Groupo but now with the fact that you can buy just the derailleur kit, I was able to pull that trigger and get the AXS dropper as well. Cant wait to get them here in the next couple days. Yes, it's a ridiculous amount of money. But when we already spend thousands to ride a bike, what's another 1600 or so to add something this innovative and cool to a dream bike build? I'm not getting any younger and at 48, I'm having the best time of my life on my bike. This is definitely not a necessity, and those who mock it are either jealous or the type to always complain about something. Take my friend Joseph for instance. He rides and has a really decent bike, but they guy laughed at me and told me I'm "wasting my money on stupid, unnecessary upgrades designed to steal your money". Although yes anything like this is stupid money spending. That's my prerogative and its not like I'm mortgaging my house or getting myself into a pit of debt. So yes my friend blasted me for buying in, like a lot of others will. But, This is coming from a guy who has spent over 75K on his home theater/audio equipment. It is all relative. I say, if you like it, and want it, and have the means, why not? Life is too short to wonder instead of living it.

[@lloydlostvegas8785]

Very well said it’s mostly confirmation bias on people knocking it and certainly enjoy what you like ! Whether mech or electronic

[@Big2Planker]

Have Di2 on road bike and AXS on 2020 YT Jeffsy. Both are awesome and worth every penny. They never miss a shift and I’m never going back to cables. Worth every penny, IMO.

[@itdjordje]

My cable shifters never miss a shift. So you gave your money just to get rid of the cables and look fancy. Not worth it IMO

[@tonyb9735]

@@itdjordje I bought a bike which has Di2 on it. IMO it is better than cable shift, but not enough to warrant laying out the extra money for it. If you have the money though, why not?

[@paddlehard5722]

“In the EMP war, we won’t be able to ride our cars packed with electronics. We’ll all wind up on the bicycles” SRAM: “Well....”

[@andy-the-gardener]

so your saying the cfm's won't be able to drive cars or fly about the planet on a wim. bring on the emp's

[@raheemgahelable]

Non of that gonna happen

[@mrbrochacho99]

I wouldn't make my carbon full sus my apocalypse bike. I'd be going for a single speed or something. Something that is absolutely barebones

[@ray4493]

@RollinRat and die of heart attack on the uphill cause you peddled too "hard" with the last sentence coming out of you would be "ahh so that's why single speed is lame"

[@DawidDgk]

@RollinRat you ride without Strava? What a shame

[@sml2238]

this review is pretty spot on. i've had the AXS system for a few months and it's been without issue. The initial setup is a little wonky just the way the app works/connects to devices but it never caused me any issues it was just a bit of weird behavior. Also the battery life for me has been great and I carry 2 spare batteries in my pack and a charger as well as the shifter coin batteries. Once you get the AXS setup it's pretty much set and forget. Also for me I am partially paralyzed in my right thumb so traditional shifters have always been tough for me, with the AXS system I actually use my inex finger to upshift and my gimp thumb to downshift. This allows me to never miss shift and one of the main reasons i bought the system. I wish they would make a left hand shifter so I could swap the shifting to my left hand and dropper to my right but maybe one day. Also I went with the X01 derailleur instead of the XX1 I figured the aluminum might holdup a bit better. But I did go for the XX1 cassette and chain which have been holding up really well, especially if you clean and lube your chain after each ride.

[@robeichinger7240]

Been riding AXS for 2 months and completely agree with everything in this video. Shifting performance is there, but it isn't as intuitive as one would think regardless of button mapping. I still mis shift on occasion. The seatpost on the other hand is absolutely stellar! Took no time to learn how to get that seat in the exact position. Battery performance for me has been awesome. So far I have around 30 hours ride time on the system. The Reverb battery just dropped to 50% and the AXS battery is still showing over 75%.

[@tinoschneider6350]

I run the XX1 AXS on my XC bike and I couldn't be happier with it. If you reach a certain point of exhaustion the precision and the minimal effort to shift are becoming huge advantages. Therefore I found myself shifting way more with AXS even in extreme situations like shifting several gears under load while riding an uphill corner over roots in complete exhaustion. Just push the button with minimal effort and you will get a perfect shift every single time. Another benefit: It's not necessary to strech the thumb very far to perform shifts in eather direction. So your hand will be wrapped tightly around the bar while shifting. On my trail bike I will stick to the (sublime working) mechanical version. There would be too much money hanging down there for going through rough and techy sections :D .

[@CactusJackSlade]

Agree! I use ethe thumb on back and finger on the front. Minimal movement and effort and of course the perfect shift every time!

[@brettw8664]

Got the E-Tap on my roadie, so when I upgraded my Pivot 429 Trail, it was an absolute 'must have'. I will never go back to cable on any bike again. Especially on a MTB with the AXS dropper, you can set your saddle position to within pinpoint accuracy. Never miss a gear and just press the lever to change up or down 'all day long'. Never had an issue with my set up EVER.

[@acruzp]

Why do you sound like a marketing team?

[@puntoycoma47]

I've never missed gears on 1998 Shimano XT

[@ykcinasak]

waterproof what a surprise :)

[@thedoggoesskrrrt]

I would biy if it's bad spirit proof or evil proof tho

[@derekim75]

The best investment for my gx group set... Axs works like a charm~ 6months using, Non complains.......

[@kevin-l7r7p]

Seems like an answer to a question that nobody asked.

[@tomwalsh6774]

The SRAM execs asked this question.... "How can we make a shit ton more money?"

[@topspot4834]

Bingo ... Cool concept, clean look but really creates a problem that shouldn't exist ... battery life. I love cool tech, and this definitely is badass, just not worth the added cost and potential complications.

[@chameleonpogono]

@@onemanmob6756 Exactly why I want the wireless components. I have RA and it can make it harder to shift sometimes.

[@christopherwalsh7700]

@@topspot4834 ok boomer

[@christopherwalsh7700]

What a ridiculous comment.

[@And-rc9yy]

I will never be able to afford this equipment but wow what a great review. Most people review stuff they barely used. Rare to see such a thorough long term review.

[@RickyG225]

Never say never. You may hit the jackpot one day and be surprised. Good Luck dude!

[@And-rc9yy]

@@RickyG225 I guess I can afford it, but I can't justify it. I've always had the opinion that if you're good enough to need the top kit then someone else should be paying for it, i.e. you ride professionally. Of course my friends would just say it's because I'm a 'tight Wodd' (my surname!)

[@RickyG225]

@@And-rc9yy No prob. I say frugality is not a bad thing. Tight wodd is okay too, coming from the right group. Sure it is great if someone else pays for it, I also am not in that category of a prof-rider. I will wait to see if /when they come down in price to make it cost justified. Cheers!

[@harzenduro]

I put the AXS shifter and derailleur on my all XTR12 drivetrain. Best of both worlds. I won‘t ever go back to cable shifting.

[@saunamchan2908]

Crazy expensive now, but these new "ride-by-wire" (or "wireless" rather) systems hold a lot of promise. Clean and consistent shifts, and adjustable by smartphone makes things really easy for people. I'm still more of an analog fan though.

[@andrewrivera4029]

I’m the opposite on the charging: the dropper is about 25 hrs ride time, the derailleur about 50 hrs before recharge but I just got the app so will be able to get a better estimate.

[@dgw6448]

do you have a tesla ? two teslas ?

[@hugovvr]

All that electric shifiting thing is just the shifters companies trying to keep you away from the real deal : gearboxes !

[@karljaspers9205]

hugo vvr. nice! i’ll take it a step further WIRELESS GEARBOX 😲

[@bananasstuff3344]

@@karljaspers9205 that would theoretically reduce lots of issues with gearboxes like grip shifters and being unable to shift underload so I could be the future!

[@dietznutz1]

They won’t be ready for a good few years range and weight is still a problem not to mention you need a special frame to take one

[@bananasstuff3344]

@@dietznutz1 yes but arguably you need a special frame to mount a derailleur, its just that its an industry standard.

[@hugovvr]

@@bananasstuff3344 Exactly! And I'll rather buy one proper steel frame with gearboxe that are both designed to last at a decade (While an alloy frame last 5years max., if put to abuse. And a derailleur will only last a season if you ride a lot..)

[@clubdevoiture1618]

I had 0 interest in these products untill now ... Now these are a MUST !! So sick!!

[@candidcapture]

Thanks for putting this video up.

[@ravimaurya10]

​@SRAM MTB @vital MTB Just an idea...why not have small 2 inch solar panel with some toughened glass on it be mounted on each individual part so that it trickle charges the batteries or maintain them...would be neat to see such a thing on this.

[@martin.B777]

Great! Will wait until price drops substantially and wireless tech gets affordable!🚵‍♂️💪

[@martin.B777]

@@IIISentorIII Takes time, but it will get cheaper.🤑

[@alpine_pro5814]

Just installed on my SW Stumpy, just riding it around feels nice and smooth.Tomorrow is the true test. Stoked to try it out!

[@ddialogue]

It's been four months. Give us a ride report! :D

[@alpine_pro5814]

Dave Dialogue I have no complaints, Axis has been spectacular. Shifts smooth under load and tough as nails. Only complaint would be make sure to check battery level. I wound hesitate to buy another Axis derailleur and dropper.

[@Primarch_Vulkan]

Pro - It looks tidy with less cables. Con - Everything else about it.

[@Thespecialone1970]

The Flash someone’s a little upset they can’t have axs on their bike...

[@wasupwitdat1mofiki94]

@@Thespecialone1970 I'm one of the early adopters of SRAM ETap on road bikes. My rear derailleur quit shifting about one year later. Pain in the ass to warranty it. Other things I've learned from owning the group is that SRAM quality and design are no match for Shimano. It may be another option but SRAM is not one I will ever choose again.

[@Thespecialone1970]

@@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 Interesting, I have used both systems and currently have the XX1 AXS on my bike. I am the opposite and will never go back to Shimano. Love the wireless system. No issues after owning it for over a year. Never had to warranty a sram product, so can't comment on that aspect.

[@Primarch_Vulkan]

@@Thespecialone1970 Nope, why would i want a component on my bike that costs 5x more than a standard one in such a vulnerable spot to rock strikes. I wouldn't mind the dropper tho.

[@Thespecialone1970]

@@Primarch_Vulkan Maybe you just need to practice becoming a better rider....1 year on this thing, and I'm yet to touch it.

[@blessedantang21]

I can't go to ride i need to charge my shifter😂😂😂

[@paddlehard5722]

ICloud9 Music I can’t go to ride, I’m waiting for firmware update.

[@saturupiah5940]

I lack the thumb strength to change gears. I betta get AXS!

[@MattePaavi]

its a rich problem XD

[@Blackevilmisanthrope]

Actually hang out for fifteen minutes and I’ll be ready. Will charge enough for a ride in the time it takes for most people to put on their dumb neon plastic clothing.

[@raheemgahelable]

Shifter takes a non chargeable battery! 😁

[@tylerbacklund9315]

im curious to see where the axs will be in the next 5 years

[@snoogboonin]

Gearbox.

[@paddor]

Wait and you will.

[@8000RPM.]

No question: In a landfill.

[@tylerbacklund9315]

8000RPM You really think that in five years there are gonna be mtb trails in landfills?

[@trdartz]

I can only see this being beneficial on a road bike to optimize aero with less cables and possibly less weight due to less cabling as well .

[@leonardothillet6423]

I tested mine yesterday, and this is something no one understands how insanely flawless it is until they tried it...It's like playing a video game...

[@dieselgeezer18]

i don't understand the attraction if it feels like a videogame. Videogames are boring compared to real life

[@kbd13-n9c]

One of the guys I ride with has the Di2 rear derailleur on his bike. Pretty cool, shifts well, but it was an eye opening experience for me or anything. Might be different on certain terrain. I tried it on a flat road.

[@Durwood71]

My analog GX shifts pretty darn flawlessly, and it's a fraction of the price of the AXS.

[@mfa81]

I love mine and think it's worth every penny! Not cheap but worth the price tag in my opinion! The AXS App is still pretty much a mystery to me. I've never got it to show my 10T cog being used on how many times I activated my dropper post during a ride!

[@lexvdw]

I wonder if they will release a GX or even NX version in the future

[@GarrettHMTB]

Probably not I’m sure the reason the Xo1 mech and XX1 are so expensive is because of the electronics, same if it already costs 600 bucks it doesn’t make sense to make lower models also Bc your getting cutting edge technology with that price, I think this should just stay on the high end stuff it’s a luxury for a reason. I’m sure even an NX AXS shifter would still be at least 550 bucks

[@raupenimmersatt6906]

No they wont. Said by on of the dudes who developed it

[@nobrakes7247]

To much slop in both those derailleurs for them to work.

[@chipdouglascia]

No Brakes you have too much slop😂

[@nobrakes7247]

Nar Brus I fixed mine by hammering the pins tight And the main bolt. No slop

[@dadventuretv2538]

I hate having to deal with cables that stretch and hydraulics that need to be bled. Love wireless. Def gonna do dropper, drivetrain not so sure bc I do damage my derailleur and man that would be an expensive replacement, plus dropper seems to be area of greatest bang for your buck improvement wise as I am still in search of non wireless dropper I really like. Re batter life- it is so long that I don’t have to worry about it running out during a ride, which was my main concern. I charge my phone each night and lights after each night ride, not a big deal to pop out a battery and charge it every once in while after a ride. Now just gonna wait for price to drop and maybe Fox to make a wireless Factory.

[@richardmorris8764]

I HAVE THIS SET ON MY 2021 JUMPSTUMPER EVO AND 2021 SB130 LUNCH RIDE AND IT ROCKS

[@oBseSsIoNPC]

something like that would make a lot more sense on e-bikes, where they can be connected through the frame, I am sure a few thin wires weight less than all the batteries put together. Still, kind of weird that there is even such a thing.

[@dustyburner]

I've only been using the AXS XX1 for a couple weeks, but I really like it. It shifts great and easy to use. Only time will tell how well it holds up.

[@LighthawkZ65]

I have an X01 AXS and honestly, I don't worry about the fact that is electronic. I'm not a heavy mountain rider, but I always like to have it ready to do so I always pay attention to the indicators I find no inconvenience with it.

[@LighthawkZ65]

@@Lenser Totally

[@AdventuresInTheSky]

It’s cool, i still would love to see improvements in belt driven gear boxes to compete with derailleurs.

[@chassbunnbuildingllc7231]

Been having shifting issues on my GX AXS! Shifts up and slow shifting down. Checked everything and drove 1.5 hours to Sram tech and still no fix.

[@Will762]

"You can sit on it with all your weight and it will still actuate perfectly". I'm confused, is this implying the post will actually lift you up?

[@TPV07]

Nice toys mate! I am most envious of your tools and I even work at a bike shop. Gonna talk to the boss to invest more money in tools I think :)

[@scstinger5]

Good video! Seems like the only way forward would be a basic Internal Drivetrain for mountain biking. Everything els is just shining up old technology that was made for road bikes

[@matthewstyer5587]

What a fantastic review Thanks

[@michiganstate149]

I debated AXS Eagle then tried Shimano 12s and decided to save my money for IMO a better drivetrain experience. In terms of the dropper, a mechanical dropper for $100 (Brand X) that you don't need to do anything besides a 5 min rebuild 2-3 times a year (every 50ish hrs) takes the cake for me. Someday when the price drops and this becomes more mainstream I'll reconsider.

[@neillanders8292]

Great review! Now I want one! Actually, I kinda wanted the shimano setup when jeff lenosky showed it off in one of his videos. But that dropper is really cool. THe fact that you can bleed the air out that easily means it won't be a mess after just one season of riding.

[@brakesforsnakes757]

I had XT/XTR Di2 for a while and I can tell you that Eagle AXS absolutely kills it!

[@beafmilk]

I have just installed X01 axs, everything is set correctly and it shifts fast and smooth, but I don't like it. I regret buying it. Have you get used to it after some time?

[@Adam-vm8kp]

I had the xo1 axs to replace my 11sp xtr. I was the same I used for 3 months and then removed and sold. You lose all sensation in the gears and I just couldn’t get on with it.

[@lucasbalyeat8746]

Last year 2020 I purchased my Scott genius 900 tuned axs. I love my bike. However I hate my sram axs xo1. Reasons 1 if you happen to bump the shifter at an inopportune time it will shift up or down sometimes multiple gears then when you power down it will grind into whatever gear it chose. 2 sram doesn't have as much spring tension on the derailleur as shimano xt "which is what I've always run" on my old genius and spark, so when you smash thru a rock garden and take some jumps the chain slaps the upper triangle and chips the paint off!!! So you have to put some guard tape on the upper triangle... 3 it's hard for me to tell if it's my hub or because the spring tension is crap, sometimes and it's absolutely random I'll put the power down and it will skip and that majorly sucks! 4 in order to make sure I alleviated any chance of me just bumping the stupid electronic shifter "to make sure it wasn't operater error" I moved the shifter so far in on my handle bar it's actually hard to reach and not ergonomic at all. That's my complaint. I rode this bike for three months trying to like this, butt I can't give it a good review. I have my bike in the shop now I had them install the wire and xo1 shifter and derailleur. I wanted to go back to all shimano but the bike shop talked me out of it since I already had sram. I spent $8000 on my bike and I'm disappointed I don't want other people to make this same mistake and waste their hard earned money. Just to recap and be very clear, if you have something that works good now. STICK with it! This thing will not make you faster by any means. Save your money and upgrade your wheel and hub that will go much farther then this stupid electronic shifter. Lucas from Minnesota Sram take your overpriced junk and pound sand! That's me keeping it clean.

[@leedorney]

I've got the original stuff SRAM Red on my road bike and it's just great, Ive had mine for 2yrs now and I still get a thrill out of changing gear 👌 - oh put the derailleur covers on when you're not using the bike and this elongates the battery life between charges 😉 - I'm getting a month out of charges if you're interested.. 😎

[@wilboardman]

Love to try them! Price during the pandemic is making it a no go.

[@suddenumbra117]

You can just hear the money being shaved away when shifting under load!

[@benzzoy]

After riding eTAP for a while, the biggest watchout (not concern) is the relatively short battery life, when compared to Shimano's Di2 and Campagnolo's EPS. Exacerbating that relatively short battery life is the need to remove the battery from the device, so as to plug it into the charger; this is not convenient like Di2 where there's a port on the bike you can plug a charging cable into (like with a smart phone). Exacerbating that inconvenience is you have at least two batteries you need to take care of, which means you need to watch the charger LEDs and switch batteries (or you spend $ on extra chargers). Still, wireless (aka no cable except to the brakes) is *nice*. And with AXS and a smart phone, you can kinda gauge when you need to recharge, and it's easy to carry a spare battery all the time since they're so small and light.

[@bf.258]

Can't wait till the dropper post could drop itself!

[@justinburgan]

This is a killer review, well done! Definitely a luxury item for a bike but hella cool nonetheless!

[@vitalmtb]

Thanks, Justin!

[@jonathanoxlade4252]

Yet bikes that costs like £12000 don't come with it I am having isues with a wired derailleur may end up getting a eletric since for my bafang I have brake sensors the gear sensor won't be needed for this system

[@DawidDgk]

@@jonathanoxlade4252 crazy to think that bikes for 12k doesn't have axs..

[@dansotelo228]

I do have to say this in favor of any Sram wireless systems, if you are older and have the money to switch from mechanical to etap "Do Not Hesitate One Second", just do it! Ride for one year, then try riding your old mechanical shifting bike and you will say to your self... What the Hell Was I Doing With mechanical shifting, is horrible.

[@NDemanuele1]

Thanks for the video! I been curious about this. I like the idea of wireless, but not so much the astronomical price and batteries. I wonder if it will be standard on bikes sometime in the future?

[@brakesforsnakes757]

It's getting closer to that point, just helped my friend get a 2020 Scott Spark RC Team Issue AXS and the MSRP is $5000.00.

[@boyscout6566]

Eagerly awaiting for the 2021 battery less version powered by the pedals.

[@CanonFirefly]

They should have a generator in the pulley to keep the battery in the derailleur topped up.

[@M.E.Cyclist]

Have you had any issues with the battery tabs breaking, specifically on the derailleur? I've gone through 3 in less than a year (on a road bike even!).

[@alexstone1808]

JUST HAD TO REPLACE A REAR DE-RAILER ON A "GURU" ROAD BIKE.... COST $57 DOLLARS...IF I WENT WIRELESS, OVER $1000 DOLLARS TO UPGRADE EVERYTHING...I WENT WITH $57 DOLLARS

[@ryanfisher8597]

This just complicates so much. Why would I ever want to have to update my bike. I’ve been rocking XTRs (mechanical) and they have never failed me.

[@saturupiah5940]

G'day Ryan When GX Eagle was released I couldn't wait to see what the fuss was about regarding 1X12 versus my not so old at the time XTR 9000 2x11. Shifting was as good as XTR but it felt liked it was never tuned in properly. The LBS adjusted it several times but it never really improved. Gone back to the old 2X (26/36) x11/40 XTR. Never been tempted by di2 because of batteries and cables. AXS looks neat but the shifting on the mechanical is fast and precise anyway. Glad I didn't go all out with XX1/X01 that would have been an expensive experiment.

[@MG-1987]

That is exactly what people said about colour tv and internet.

[@stevengeuns]

Best group I ever had on a Nike.

[@wamote6867]

My next eMTB will have the AXS derailleur and Reverb, i don't like cables and they don't like me. ;-)

[@tamasstrezi]

I love the gruppo! Getting rid of the cables was a godsend! Battery life and charging is overrated, unless you ride every day 3+hours, also easily even further mitigated with one spare. My only gripe is that per gear adjustment is not possible, where mine seem to be struggling. Probably its my hanger or frame got bent, but can't seem to adjust it for the whole range equally perfect. Would be soo easy to add to the software. Only the phone connection is BT, and not the AXS itself (thank god). The phone app is totally unnecessary, and a piece of junk with barely any functionality. Firmware update is laughably slow.

[@JogBird]

its interesting that shimano havent bothered to introduce electronic shifting w their 12 spd... prob because the market is non existent, aside from what they send out to reviewers

[@oftankoftan]

there are always people with too much money who are loyal to a brand.

[@simonarends7802]

I know someone who bought axs

[@chipdouglascia]

Way to make unfounded assumptions you clown

[@conman1395]

They're developing their own wireless shifting drivetrain. They had electronic shifting way before SRAM, but it wasn't wireless. They filed a patent in 2018 for the wireless system so it's coming soon. So yeah, don't make a stupid unfounded assumption.

[@suddenumbra117]

Yeah just wait till Shimano di3 comes out.

[@AdventuresInTheSky]

Seat tilt angle should be able to adjust electronically, and automatically based off uphill vs downhill.

[@Larpy1933]

You seem to have given a good balance of pros and cons. As far as price: those who can afford it and want it probably would pay 2x the current price if that’s what it cost.

[@taylarbikes8845]

Glad to see they have held up! I purchased the Sram XX1 AXS group for my XC race rig without ever laying hands on it.. risky but seems to be great thus far. What are your thoughts on wet/muddy weather operation?

[@VhrenzAbasta]

I hope soon we're gonna have selfcharging derailleur, like small solar panel or maybe like a sticker, charging from air current, or the easiest.......charging in the pulley.

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

charging in the pullies would increase resistance and weight. Not what you want on competition stuff. Better to just charge them off the bike makes things less complex too. Solar panels have to be clean and no scratched surface to work. Both of those qualities make them incompatible with mountainbikes.

[@VhrenzAbasta]

@@barneyklingenberg4078 then cable it is.

[@luisfj9]

Not a bad idea but what I saw in the video the battery in the rear derailleur and the seat post the battery needs to be addressed, and the rear derailleur also needs to be built to last for what it is going to be worth. If those issues can be addressed then definitely they are onto something in regards to maintenance on these bicycles.

[@Addicted2Battle]

Its cool and all but it seems like a hassle most riders just want to hit the trails without anything bothering them

[@mttec23]

I demoed AXS once. It was ok. Shifting gears with a cable has a more enjoyable feeling to me. More cause and effect. Like the feeling of pressing in the clutch when driving a stick shift. I like to feel the pull of the cable. With AXS I just held my finger on a button.

[@mke723]

It would be really cool if you could operate the post from the shifter so you could have 1 less controler.

[@mtbsavant5414]

When is the GX level coming? 😀

[@raheemgahelable]

I heard it's coming soon

[@kaj_5923]

It’s here!

[@maxxvidzs]

Sram can include a small regen brake to charge the battery!!

[@livefreeandshred9818]

The battery life on my m8100 is flawless

[@Black_Onyx]

Axs shifting can be reverted, so if you are shifting it on wrong direction after months is just a matter of wrong settings.

[@Movieflix707]

All of these documentaries need to display a warning before watching them that reads “ Warning the following documentary is highly addictive and may keep you up at night wanting more”

[@appacana]

I just ordered the GX version and dropper post, $1400,

[@deisen123]

Waiting for second gen system, hopefully at less cost.

[@johnnydangerously9426]

Expensive stuff ! I’ll stick with the cable shifters . Buy it if you like it ! Freedom of choice is what you got 😎

[@JiorujiDerako]

Feels like a missed opportunity to have the shifter charge its own battery, it's connected directly to the drivetrain after all. Such a tiny thing would barely put any extra load on the pedaling, IMO!

[@candidmoe8741]

Yea ... and add $300 to the price tag.

[@JiorujiDerako]

@@candidmoe8741 In for a penny, in for a pound, as they say. It's already an unnecessary luxury of an item (again, IMO), might as well go all-in and also get rid of the "sorry guys, can't go biking with you today, my batteries died" problem

[@BlackPenquinn]

Love mine. There really aren’t any operational downsides. It works beautifully and the perfect shifts are fantastic. BUT it’s expensive and it’s impossible to justify the price increase for the performance gain. It’s really a luxury item. My main Ripmo has AXS My DV9 has GX My Suzi-Q is Shimano XT I easily switch between the bikes.

[@netposerx]

Why is this so much better than my Eagle SX? The cable or the actual derailleur? Or both? Wonder if they took the SX derailleur and converted it to wireless would it be better?

[@stianjarnass]

Great review👏. If you don't have to adjust gears, this is even better🤗. Also getting lower gears on a downhill bike would be a easy install👏👏👏

[@ramonbannister9498]

I think it's an awesome idea! The only downside for me is price. Once it comes down to a realistic price then I'd even consider buying an all-new bike w/ this shifter. I also don't see the point in the seat adjuster being electronically controlled - not for my uses anyway.

[@cadilacdesert]

I am done with cables. Especially when cables went internal. I used to be able to unhook derailer and relax all the springs to clean, Now on my Pivot, I end up unhooking stuff inside the frame. Even the good shops in my town have a problem. I have a Pivot LES.

[@Candesce]

I used an axs dropper and shifter at a demo. It's very nice but the buttons are a little weird. Also very good for demo bikes because it's so easy to micro adjust the dropper with single clicks. Just totally different to regular droppers. With that said, the long overall length means I'm not going to be able to fit the dropper.

[@debunkthejunk]

The playing field have been levelled for riders without thumbs.

[@davidwales9657]

Just sitting here waiting for a GX level upgrade kit. Only need the derailleur and shifter

[@993mike]

I've never had good luck with Reverb posts, with the 3 I've had all failing in less than a year, so I'd be hard pressed to pay $800 for a wireless one (or any dropper for $800!). I'd stick with an ultra reliable and slick working Fox Transfer Post for less than half the cost.

[@colinkennedy4646]

I like to see stuff like this coming out but like everything things only get better as innovation will eventually leave these ones in the dust...lower maintenance, longer battery life, durability=longevity. Of course the steep price will follow the ever changing newer stuff but thats just the way it is. I like it and want it but I cant justify buying it right now, especially knowing something is going to come out even better.

[@KKTKTube]

In a park maybe OK, but try out one rainy/muddy marathon race when small clay particles will squeeze everywhere. That could be an ultimate test.

[@ujayet]

When the price comes down to $300 I will definitely get one

[@violent_bebop9687]

Sorry guys, we already have too much dead batteries & electronics overflowing in landfills...

[@MartinTeerly]

Another charger to remember

[@Bayplaces]

I saw that shimano filed a patent for an upper pulley that functions like a dynamo hub. I wonder if the battery will ever be replaced by a mini dynamo and smaller battery.

[@Zetler]

As if my eMTB isn’t expensive enough. Now I want this too.

[@aabsc]

Not done watching, maybe this will be answered, but I think the simple fact that you'll be left stuck unable to shift as soon as any of the batteries die makes it ridiculous, unless the battery charge lasts an entire year which I highly doubt. Also, how do you charge them and how long to they last? Plus I think the derailleur is the part I replace the most often on my bike so having a ridiculously expensive one just makes this even more of a really bad idea. Will they be coming out with something to turn your handlebars just by turning your head next? And what's the remote controlled seat post thing? I can't even begin to imagine the purpose of that other than maybe some sort of anti theft, I doubt people need to remotely adjust their seat height while riding.

[@aabsc]

Wow, 25 hour battery life? 1 month is the absolute minimum I would have accepted. This is just plain ridiculous, is this a late April fools joke or what?

[@johnathansturric8998]

A classic case of just because you can doesn’t mean you should