Pros & Cons Hisense U8N, TCL QM851G vs the BEST LG G4, Samsung S95D

[@stopthefomo]

$999 🛒2023 TCL QM8 howl.me/cmgXJTbkBx2 🛒2024 TCL QM851G howl.me/cmgXPKyk60D is slightly better tone mapping and more granular controls My choice for best HDR TV value - point of diminishing returns starts with this TV! After v.295 firmware, this TV is a true giant killer among flagships this year!

[@shawnnkalon2965]

Hi fomo . thanks a lot always for guiding us helping us entertaining us . saw your remaining part of review . dont you feel qn900 d should be reviewed only with 85inches where they shine. As size matters in 8k. Hope you do a review of it and bravia 9 in 8k only. 😊

[@TheReverendSlim]

Glad you were able to get v295 on the '23 QM8. I've absolutely loved how mine performs with that update.

[@lpromer4796]

Hi Fomo: any idea if upscaling on the U8N is really far behind from that of Sony? Most of the content I stream is 1080p, I would only watch a 4k blu-ray once in a great while. Thanks!

[@TheJohnnyNeat]

FOMO, So did the 24 QM8 get the update it needed to beat the 23 QM8 after 5 months? How do we feel now about a 98” QM8?

[@Canuck-1976]

29:32 The G4 is black crushing the detail. The S95D looks the best here by far. Proper shadow detail. And if for some reason it's not accurate. I don't think I am alone saying the way it presents the image here is still the best.

[@SD71232]

I agree

[@patrickday3393]

Dang. Have a 65” U8N that I haven’t opened yet. First Tv I have ever bought, most premium Tv I have ever owned. Got it for $970, great deal, but man this video is making me hope that a lot of this will get fixed in future software. Digital Trends and Rtings gave me much more confidence in the Tv then this video is giving me.

[@ethanwetzel7]

I have a 75" U8N on the way. Have higher hopes for it given the ADS Pro IPS panel but maybe some firmware updates will help the shadow detail? Still early in the products life. I just don't want to be left behind in support as they roll out the U9N.

[@patrickday3393]

Honestly I’m pretty happy with it, and I expect updates to help make it better. Still the best tv I’ve ever owned.

[@mikes6216]

@@ethanwetzel7 Rtings noted the 75" U8N has a much worse looking screen than the 65" and lower, except the 75 viewing angle is better. I am thinking about going up to 85" to avoid that screen, not sure which one is in the 85. Confunsing me ....Hisense.

[@michaelwyckoff7593]

I noticed that each TV was trading blows back and forth with different scenes. The Miniled have come a long way since they first started. I still think my TCL R635 miniled is a awesome TV especially with updates the TV has received over the years.😊 Just my opinion.😊

[@kostasgr9125]

It seems TCL improved a lot with 2024 model.

[@lennieb7367]

I have the 85" TCL QM8 2023 version and I'm extremely happy with it. I primary use it for gaming and I have a gigabit internet connection for streaming 4k or higher content. My very specific usage offset the weaknesses of the TV. If I watched a lot of low bitrate content or live TV, I would have gotten a different TV. The 85" 2024 QM8 is nearly double the price I paid for my 2023 model. Fun fact: All of the TV's he reviewed look great when they're not sitting side by side with those other TVs.

[@jeffreyhard6040]

THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS!!!!!!!! Ive been looking for a comparison forever!

[@Pichoniix]

Bravia 7 vs QM851 Vs U8N is the duel I want to see!

[@TheMailerDaemonLives]

I need anti reflection coating so Bravia 7 is a pass for me

[@Pichoniix]

@@TheMailerDaemonLives Agree Bravia 7 was a dissapointment it the X93L had better reflection handling and better off viewing angle.. 🤦‍♂️

[@lpromer4796]

Hi Fomo: any idea if upscaling on the U8N is really far behind from that of Sony? Most of the content I stream is 1080p, I would only watch a 4k blu-ray once in a great while. Thanks!

[@lpromer4796]

Is the upscaling on the 2023 & 2024 QM8 as well as on the UN8 far behind from that of Sony? I watch a lot of regular 1080p. Let me know please. Thanks!

[@osharako]

No one is comparing S90C vs S90D or S95D vs S95C, when is this going to happen?

[@kimfargo1]

Maybe it's because they are all basically the same TV, just slightly brighter or darker than the other. There have been such small incremental improvements from one year to the next that in most cases you might as well buy whatever is cheapest or largest because the performance is all within' a few %pts of each other.

[@MrBrickhouse]

THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.

[@scottivlow9962]

WoW! Your comments in your black bars have halo effects. The details in black at your ceiling has great contrast with your ceiling speaker and the back lighting. I put my TV in standard with brightness at 90, contrast at 50 LD on high, Gamma BT1886, Active contrast on high, color on warm, Color Space on DCI-P3. Sharpness at 0, Smooth Gradient on high, NR on high. MPEG NR on High Motion Enhancement Film. But settings to watch a you tube video on TV reviews.😁

[@randomstranger9494]

Just pulled the trigger on a 75" U8n, fingers crossed 😬

[@champchamberlain]

I too am debating 😬. Can’t decide whether or not I should get the 75 U8N or the 75 2024 QM8

[@shanew7361]

I'm in the same boat on the 75-inch 😂FML

[@mikes6216]

The 75" screen is different, the 65" and lower U8N is the good one. The 75" has a poor performance screen but better viewing angles.

[@tonyzeno2715]

I have to agree with Fomo, the 24 QM8 really improved on the drawbacks of the 23 QM8, It still maintains its brightness and punch but addresses the Shadow Detail and crushing blacks the 23 Qm8 did do on some scenes. Kudos to TCL.. probably the Best Bargain vs performance TV of 2024

[@bungalowtomcat1]

At 14:25 Time ,,,,, That is Excellent on the TCL QM8 ,,, Thank You ,,,,,, And 3yrs Warranty + 5 more For the $ Great buy

[@mjgao1]

It was hard to compare their pictures quality with your different brightness settings.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

❤great video!😊😊😊 thank u! Those take a lot of effort to set it up!

[@othman0077]

1st LG G4 2nd S95D 3rd 2024 QM8 4th Samsung QN900D because too much crushing for my liking 1:05:43

[@darkcamo77]

Battle Royal: QM851G, QN90D, U9N, & BRAVIA 9. Winner takes on the champ, A95L for bragging rights.

[@444chroma]

Hey FOMO, just curious are you borrowing a HX3110 for an event or will you have it as a dedicated unit for your channel? I hope you are getting your own it would be a great tool and asset

[@lpromer4796]

My family and I watch a lot of streaming and lower quality KZbin videos. Is the upscaling processor better on the Hisense U8N than the QM851? Also, the U8N is available on 85” at Best Buy now, should I wait for the U9N to see how better it is or save money and just get U8N on Black Friday? Thanks! 🙏🏽

[@damianmurphy4595]

You asked the exact same question I was thinking of. Except I also want sports at high refresh and no motion blur. Don't care about viewing angle

[@lpromer4796]

@@damianmurphy4595 no answers so far

[@shanew7361]

​@damianmurphy4595 I'm in the same boat. I have no clue what to do 😂

[@cadefoster9279]

I enjoy the long versions FOMO.

[@444chroma]

can't rush the process.

[@joywonderful5804]

1:04:14 Why lcd can't beat oled The detail and 3D effects of g4 are the best in the world

[@robertmccloy4811]

The off-angle viewing on the Hisence U8K and the TCL 23 QM8 are very poor Have they improved? How is glare on these televisioms?

[@Icipher4]

Can StopTheFOMO answer this one?

[@bungalowtomcat1]

Is the FIRM WARE update out for the 2024 QM8 ???

[@bungalowtomcat1]

is there meant to be a GREEN tint on all of them The S95D looks more color Accurate ??? Am I Wrong ???? At 1:01:00

[@Canuck-1976]

Just saw a Chinese review of Bravia 9 showing real movie footage. Particularly the latest Batman movie with really dark scene HDR filmed in a dark room. Zero blooming and bright highlights it was effing awesome. Looked like an OLED in that footage. The KZbinrs name is "Post76". Enable CC for subs. So it has come to a point now where MiniLEDs like Bravia XR90 can be in a dark room and show a movie like the Robert Pattinson Batman movie, which is notoriously dark and show it all and massive bright highlights without basically any blooming. So the only thing left with OLED is those very hard dark scenes with a lot of small lights. The "micro-contrast". But in that review we see the Taylor Swift ERA footage and it's thousands of small lights in audience and lights from stage and the rest is black. Well I think maybe some mild blooming could be seen, but I am not even sure. That is how well it did it. And if it has come to that point that a MiniLED can in a DARK room handle it to 90% of an OLED in a scene that you'd only see 0.5% of the time of all your movies and content. But the over all HDR impact is bigger. Well sign me up for a Bravia 9. I sit in a light controlled, pretty dimly lit room. But it has some ambient bias lighting behind the TV. In that setting B9 would likely be indistinguishable from an OLED and yet have the HDR brightness advantage. This is happening with MiniLED only being on the market for 3-4 years. The advancement is moving fast. We need to see Bravia XR70 against this lineup (remove QM8 23) and then when Bravia 9 XR90 comes out. Lets see how it does. I think the XR70 alone would beat all of them except the OLEDS. The XR90 will beat all of them and rival the OLEDs and beat them on brightness.

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Well said. I have seen U8N, U9N on Asian site with review content there is NO blooming lol :) i think 0% chinese person will ever use Film Maker Mode. Asians are like “why do white ppl eat medium rare steak” 🥩 , QD-OLED n mini LED are just nicer color :) from this video.

[@NexGenTek]

Literally brought this up during the stream it’s going to be revolutionary I can’t wait for my 85inch. The Taylor Swift concert footage looked outstanding all those lights against a black background it was perfect.

[@Canuck-1976]

@@NexGenTek It was pretty spectacular in all that footage show. The Taylor content, I mean maybe a tiny hint of blooming, but it's so minute I couldn't tell if it was or simply a part of the image. But it was deep black otherwise and great specular tiny highlights. That Batman footage as well. And the snippets of Aquaman 2 with tons of HDR effects. I don't even need reviews to know I am getting a Bravia 9. It's just a matter of 75 or 85" for me. That said I do want to see review for fun.

[@NexGenTek]

@@Canuck-1976 I agree. If you aren’t getting it by release i will provide you with any info. I’ll have the 85 at the end of the month

[@shawnnkalon2965]

Yes you are right. I always feel mini led's for sports and hdr are unmatcable but in large sizes of 85inches is where they shine. I had the qn900 abc 😅 if not for dse b and especially c after upgrades are vibrant and colourful in bright room. Qn900d has gone a step ahead and looks even better and its processor gives it a little extra push. Qn900d had ordered but cancelled dse in large screens and returning is one hell of a job. Samsung dosent even care for DSE in quality control. Here is where sony is better with dse for its flagships and with Bravia 9 well hope it lives up to the hype because what happened with A95L after so many awards still dolby vision issues though bravia 9will be great but still hope to see the content playing on it. Till then bravia 9 is like all guns blazing at least in anticipation. One thing more I may sound wrong for many but what we see with our eyes in every day life, the reality of colours is much closer to LEDs than oleds which are too made up it seems.

[@colemanbach9131]

Is the upscaling on the 2024 qm8 better than the 23?

[@stopthefomo]

not that I've noticed, but it has better tone mapping above 1500 nits

[@usmankhalid990]

Hey FOMO missed the livestream but do you think I should go with a 83 inch C3 over the 85 inch 2024 QM8 in a dark room for home theater viewing?

[@stopthefomo]

Absolutely!

[@usmankhalid990]

​@@stopthefomo Thanks FOMO, so right now I can get the 83 inch C3 for $3,000 and the 83" G4 for $4,500, is the G4 worth the extra $1,500 when compared to the C3 in a blacked out home theater? Much appreciated!!

[@michael-4k4000]

Have a C2 83" and love it. it's in a bright room, and never has there been a time when we needed more brightness. WE mainly watch shows or movies at night and thats when OLED will always beat LCD. That being said, I think you will love either one.

[@usmankhalid990]

@@michael-4k4000 appreciate the input Michael, thanks!!

[@DavidBrown-eo3hw]

Congrats on the HX 3110. Everyone talks about peak nits in scenes, but what about full screen brightness? The HX 3110 is capable of 1,000 nits full screen, so will new content be graded at a higher brightness (500-1,000 nits) full screen now that the HX 3110 is available? Thanks.

[@CarlosMartinez-mr1qb]

Great Review Fomo!!!!thank u.

[@scottivlow9962]

Hi I'm still testing my. From this very video I'm having black artifacts which is cool because I'm learning how good the Hisense U8N settings are at work in reducing on my changes. I'm never going to think mini leds can eleminate completely. It helped you change your camera settings. Vizio setting on black artifacts don't work.

[@CarlosMartinez-mr1qb]

Great Review!!!! Thank u

[@70starre]

What is the equivalent of the QM8 in Europe?

[@louisraypon116]

When is the 24 qm8 releasing?

[@stopthefomo]

it's out now at Best Buy howl.me/cmgXPKyk60D

[@lightbody666]

I bought hisense u8n replacing u8k 55 inch. I can only get dolby vision using roku streaming stick. When I use Vudu through tv it is hdr10 but Vudu using roku streaming stick I get dolby vision. Seems off as u8k didn't have this issue thanks

[@FenixPajarito]

I was about to purchase the Hisense U8N but it was not what I expected, this last week I have been deciding between the TCL QM851 and the Bravia 7 but now that I know the TCL is still crushing blacks I'm gon to have to pick the Sony 7. 5000 dimming zones wasted 🗑... Sony is right, it's not necessarily the amount of dimming zones but how you use them...

[@stopthefomo]

Generally LCD TVs are comprises just get the one which matches your preferences but the weaknesses don’t bother you too much

[@Canuck-1976]

@@stopthefomo OLEDs have weaknesses too. ASBL/ABL. Dithering. Near black issues. The G4 showed by Vincent was crushing some detail compared with the 3110 mastering monitor. That is how you can get the truth of results of any TV. Check out the Chinese review by Post76 of the 65" Bravia 9. Look at that movie footage and tell me why I would need an OLED, lol. That was in a dark room too. Of course OLED will have some contrast advantages in some situations for sure. But does it have the HDR advantage? Or SDR? I think both tech has ups and down. Can't wait to see you put up the Bravia 9 against all these "best" TVs from all the manufacturers.

[@timothys9288]

@@Canuck-1976 - I don't have any near-black issues with my LG C3 OLED. In fact, near black, ie, infinite contrast, is where OLED is supposed to be king. How can there be a gradient black problem with a technology that is supposed to be delivering gradients of deep black? That makes no sense. You wouldn't buy it if it did.

[@FenixPajarito]

@@timothys9288 That's what you thing bro, LG Oleds are famous for its high black crush, I owned 2 lg Oleds and returned them. Even the C3 suffers from that and if you calibrate it, it's less noticeable, it works but the image quality and colors lose color saturation and still there's slight black crush. Any Oled tv will crush blacks FACTS. even my Samsung S95B and my Samsung S90D crush blacks a little bit.

[@FenixPajarito]

@@Canuck-1976 Yes, LG Oleds are famous for its loss of detail in Dark Scenes known as Black Crush.. I personally can't stand a tv that has near infinite black issues, that's why I'm switching to Mini Led. I have been using Oleds for years.

[@brealll9647]

Is the picture adjustments on the 2024 QM8 for Dolby Vision the same as HDR10 or is it limited like the 2023 QM8? In last year QM8 you cannot change the brightness and other adjustments

[@shaneth138]

Wait, you can't change the brightness when in HDR on the 23' QM8? What about being able to adjust the black level? I am very close to getting one but that might be a deal breaker if you can't do those things.

[@A.Vopenka]

Do you think that the qn900D Will be able to still become slightly more brighter than what it is now via firmware updates ?

[@stopthefomo]

Very Unlikely

[@A.Vopenka]

@@stopthefomo Thank you for the answer, and ofc, great content! Tiny Violin, due to issues with the samsung I had, I can only replace it with a new 900D, but the Bravia 9 does look like the superior tv.

[@Quickrex]

TCL QM8 combined with the Nvidia shield, the way to go.

[@VivaLaFamous]

Which will be the better buy? A Samsung S90C 77 Inch with a Q Symphony Soundbar. Or A LG G4 77 Inch with a Table Top Stand? I am a HUGE gamer btw. I’ll be upgrading from a 65 Inch Q7FN.

[@scottivlow9962]

I'm going to post my experience on my U8N but before I do that. I want to complain about my old Vizio regular Led M7 50" before giving it away on Saturday. On Friday night I watched a movie in 16.1 ratio letter box with only 30 LDZ. Let me tell you black was never black on any picture it was a lot of deep dark grey. So it also turned black bars into grey bars with a lot of blooming cross over. Last night I watched the movie X from 2022. They put in the movie 480i crt picture frames with huge black bars to fill the screen. I would like to say with mini leds no matter how good they are, the cons will never have the same pro to any oled from no blooming or halo effects. Mini leds pros are where there is minor blooming miniscule halo if you can spot it there is far deep black contrast that regular leds panels can never reach. I think mini leds are superior to regular leds but still oleds are superior to both. That should the fairest standard for TV reviewers. Yeah maybe TCL does it better but the TCL QM8 doesn't come in the 55" and the QM7 as other draw backs. The U8N and Bravia 9 have the least blooming. I can except that when it happens on black bars I will be happy to deep black bars. Compared to black black not turning grey. I watched a white buffering circle from Max when I would rewind frames that the loading buffering circle created no halo effects around it. Also watching X on the credits, the 672 local dimming had blooming but it still made the credit look natural with backlighting, more like stage lit rather than direct white light on black. Hisense U8N with Google TV is better. I can also download app and uninstall pre installed apps. With Vizio they do it and won't let you uninstall any approve. make a search engine. I have far more settings than Vizio allows. I still might in 2027 upgade to the G series. Right now I don't mind the DSE issue. It is minor from what Vizio had. That's still going to be a $2000 expense over what I have. As I get older is a 2 year debt plan worth it for an LG oled?

[@MrUpscaleman]

Tough video to release on the day the Bravia 9 is entering the wild. The Bravia 9 will smash every one of those non-oleds.

[@nimblegoat]

You would expect so for the price. Someone getting a great deal on one of these Tvs if coming from a LCD. They are going to be so happy. That's what really matters. I'm not American see list price of QM8 85" is $1600. Someone getting that for a grand down the road, Is well happy. Plus for a lot of content , vibrant cartoons , most middle of road stuff it will look pretty close. For that buyer the details in black areas will be a revelations from the grey dimness of their old LCD. I think the Bravia 9 will look pretty stunning, with fewer weaknesses. I'm neutral on Sony as they can be a brutal company on consumer rights. But I hope it's really good. The more better TVs and tech the better. It's great Hisense and TCL are bringing good options. The threat to enthusiasts , top flagships will go up in price , non-made and become niche. Think that's why the Bravia 7 is maybe a more important TV for Sony. At the moment it means even Sony discounted 1 year later and keeping the price to an OK amount

[@Canuck-1976]

Check out the Bravia 9 review by the Chinese reviewer Post76 and enable CC for English subs. The movie footage shown is effing amazing. The B9 Looks like an OLED.

[@FenixPajarito]

Not in gaming latency though, Sony is the worse when it comes to gaming speeds.

[@MrUpscaleman]

@@FenixPajarito I never game. Don't care. Go buy an LG. Best for gaming.

[@FenixPajarito]

@@MrUpscaleman Samsung is the best for gaming though

[@mjgao1]

It seems you wanted to confirm TCL QM8 are the best?

[@ronlawrence5021]

Do people really grab their remotes and change a bunch of TV settings based on what they're watching? Cuz I pretty much just find a setting that looks good and never change it again. And am I the only one who really can't see a difference between all these TVs unless they are hung side by side?

[@jwess1234]

@stopthefomo thanks for the helpful video. How does the LG G4 do in a bright room? I'm curious about the 97 which doesn't have MLA and a bit worried about a bright room.

[@tonyzeno2715]

FOMO.. got an video idea... re-visit your x90l vs qm8 (dimming zones) video...this time use the 24 Qm8 to see how much better tcls LD algoritym is.

[@InfamousHp]

HELL YEAH

[@traderlima4848]

U8n 55 ou 65?

[@luiss.2749]

Does anyone have any recommendations for a calibrator in the Los Angeles area. S95D

[@the_outcast_kid]

I need a review for the TCL q7m

[@kenway_aurthur]

Thank you for this comparsion . I was looking for a suggestion to get disconnected g3 or g4.

[@darkcamo77]

Fomo, after you test and review the latest mini-leds, can you please let us know which one comes the closest to an OLED? Also, why aren't any LG mini-leds on the radar?

[@scottivlow9962]

I get why shootout judges take so long on doing pixel display comparison. I'm finally only 30 minutes in and pausing like every few seconds of frames. It's going to take hours and hours to get to the end. I'm comparing U8N & the LG G4 to the S95D. I can we from this video in just 30 minutes it's W-Oled drawbacks. I was missing a whole part of White light in Attila. The U8 N is showing me so much how it looks better than other panels and it will look flat when it comes to orange. The Orange Astronaut demo is fantastic but from movies it doesn't have much pop. But that said it also looks more natural with a flat look than saturation look. For under $900.00 I can live with it. The thing is I'm watching this whole video on a Vizio M-7. I really need a U8 N to really see some better details that I'm not seeing because my Vizio doesn't measure up to mini LED quality.

[@Theoneandonlyearthhuman]

Is an a80j better or a80L?

[@lvproductionsinc9748]

A80L has better upscaling/ processing and better gaming features

[@canadianatlas]

We knew you would like V295.

[@bungalowtomcat1]

EXPOSURE ----- Could you explain how you adjust this in your next VIDEO DEMO for, People to understand how you do it in your VIDEO'S = Studio you have MADE and DEMOED in other VIDEO'S Please

[@kanhatop]

Need LG C4 vs LG G3

[@paulcox2447]

G3 crushes c4. C4 doesnt have mla

[@davel4449]

A 2024 tv reviewed in 2025…

[@ubuu7]

@FOMO, you know the one brand missing we want to see in the mix ??!??!?!? SONY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bravia 7 has been out and delivered to people, gotta get one of those in the mix while we wait for the bravia 9. And I know the family seems to like the a95l, but we gotta see that in the mix too. Just swap the a95l with a c3 or something, I give you at least 2 days before the spouse files for divorce or the kids try to disown. Plenty of time to get a quick comparison in.

[@444chroma]

Eva Green err sorry Miss Peregrine can take me into her home anytime. I am very peculiar

[@KINGEYEAM]

TCL is not playing games this year.

[@nerijusskirka6936]

Chineese crap VS 2 TVS.

[@spyofborg]

Chinese does have crap TVs, but not TCL, no, I get it, you hate China, fine, but also be neutral. You also have to take the price in consideration. For the price and what you get, TCL is really doing their best. While the big guns like LG and Sony are so big they just overprice things now, inflation tax. :D

[@Yoga_Tv_buying]

Says the guy tells FOMO use LASER MARKER instead of using hand.🤚. Entitled arrogant ppl really dont know when to stop talking.