Pros discuss: Who is The GOAT of Dota 2?? (ft. Collapse, Boxi, 23savage, Cr1t-, Ari, and DJ)

[@いつか-u5c]

Miracle was way too ahead of everyone back from pre TI6 until post TI7 his playstyle is just way too different from anyone else that's why he always stands out.

[@elmagnificow8494]

One could say that all young superstars today spawned from miracle gameplay videos

[@bwisetkaletche7120]

and also while watching true sight. i feel like miracle plays without stress or something he just enjoys the game win or lose.

[@KroVey]

Miracle had his moment. He is nowhere close to being the goat. He has been consistently a T2 pro for years. Get real man.

[@いつか-u5c]

may I know whos your go to "GOAT"? :')@@KroVey

[@artistdota2391]

Actually not , w33ha was very good in that time too !

[@1nsomniac890]

Gorgc is the goat, like literal goat because he smells like one

[@JayTz-f2i]

😂😂😂

[@seijuroakashi4088]

Bruh 😂

[@mochamadfaisalfitrah5104]

😂😂😂

[@ilearntohate]

the best comment lol

[@p1xma4]

when and where did you smell him?

[@oliversmith2129]

I hope we get to see peak Miracle at TI someday again.

[@messerarsenal7825]

2 TI with no Miracle feels bad man

[@imfinishedgrinding638]

I'm sorry to say this but he is past his prime. He undoubtedly has the highest attained mechanical skill at his peak in comparison to his peers ever seen in pro Dota but he has lost that edge ever since 2019. I do want him to come back and compete at the highest level again but to be at the very top? That's no longer possible for him unfortunately.

[@ame5825]

@@imfinishedgrinding638 i do think it still possible. He still stomping in pubs and respected by most players. The only thing hes missing is probably passion since he won ti once already but I still think if he tried he can be at the top. by top i mean atleast Yatoro level right now.

[@oliversmith2129]

@@imfinishedgrinding638 He is literally rank 8 at the moment in EU. Go check miracle smurf 6 on dota 2 pro tracker.

[@rexcudiamat4854]

@@imfinishedgrinding638 it is possible. he just need to commit hours into being a pro player. we already see he still got it with just a casual pub games he still can lane against the best.

[@Shimbywastaken]

Even Ceb said that when Miracle was in OG he was the greatest player hes ever seen. For me he is the goat absolute joy to watch

[@Z4ub3r]

Not true, when he was asked he said Ana and Topson and later he said also miracle... watch TI8 truesight again

[@ghostgod.66]

@@Z4ub3r Not what he said, He said Topson and Ana mechanical wise, and then he said in terms of overall gameplay laning, understanding of the game etc he said it was Miracle.

[@johneric-xj6ek]

@@Z4ub3r you should say it for your self

[@earlgrey2130]

Miracle for mechanics, Ceb for leadership, Topson for entertainment, Dendi for pudge

[@niicoo-9566]

Yaphets for sf? 😂

[@riri2803]

​@@niicoo-9566 Vigoss for domination.

[@yokisullivan8647]

Dendi for the Icon of the game (back then at least lol)

[@chrisc5991]

​​@@niicoo-9566i forgot that yaphets has insane micros as sf back in the day until you reminded me

[@elmagnificow8494]

Glad that the one and only, the face of Dota 2, Dendi has been mentioned. One of the very few players who have appeared in a TI grand finals multiple times. The most charismatic player and most loved by the community. He's waaaay past his prime, but the impact he had in the first half of Dota 2 was simply undeniable.

[@danielgrobbelaar9672]

Dendi was the most beloved DotA player ever imo. I was 14 when I watched TI1, and we all wanted to emulate Dendi. I still watch B8's matches in hope that we can see Dendi at a TI one more time.

[@nathanhosea489]

​​@@danielgrobbelaar9672 Still is. The amount of universal love people had (and still have) for that guy hasn't been matched since

[@bt11oc]

google face of dota and go to images and see who is the real face of dota

[@dotalord6665]

People forget how Insane Miracle was , Sf outplay , OD Rampage , AM manya Dodge into ultra kill, Arc 1s rosh , Arc WTF ancient defense , jugg 10 mil 9mni slash , TB I don't fear anyone push against LYF , Miracle was a BEAST in his prime

[@wien.k]

Miracle Invoker, man

[@dotalord6665]

@@wien.k Miracle invoker is tales of legends , it's his signature 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@zoldycktv2219]

That's why he's called M-God. Miracle is the Michael Jordan of DOTA. GOAT Miracle-

[@muhammadhavi9781]

U forgot who nerf invoker couse miracle if in pro scene invoker always banned😂

[@tenidasio591]

DAMN TI7 LIQUID WAS INSANE.

[@dotalord6665]

Upper bracket for bitches 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@VoydVelasco]

you can feel Miracle's impact even they losing, the mechanics is insane.

[@illegaldream]

I'm so happy that 2 person mentioned miracle as a GOAT. For me miracle is the number 1 player of all time. Really miss him 😢😢

[@Riri-fj9zd]

actually 3 of them mentioned Miracle. Ari, Cr1t, and Collapse mentioned him.

[@ThanhNguyen-br1rh]

3 of them. And Collapse saying that means a lot to me because i truly think that Collapse has the best potential to become the GOAT in the future in terms of pure skill.

[@illegaldream]

After seeing his magnus in TI 10, I am a big fan of collapse. Maybe he can be the goat if he wins ti 12.@@ThanhNguyen-br1rh

[@yokisullivan8647]

@@Riri-fj9zd Yapzor in a video also says Miracle is the best player he knows, followed by Nisha

[@alphonsecatan2]

Miracle no doubt. That one man rampage is just the icing on the cake.

[@kostavchaudhuri2557]

4 Major win as Carry player. 2 Ti win as Support. There can only be 1 Goat, BigDaddyNotail

[@solitudegaming]

Depends on the category... Individual skill - Miracle cannot be denied, the name fits, he's an alien or a robot. But shoutout to Sumail as well, give the emperor his flowers, peak Sumail could not be beaten in mid lane and he is still one of the best midlaners playing the game today. Longevity - Puppey easily. That man has been in dota since forever and hes still good, dont get it fucked up. Achievement - Ceb and Notail easy. Their individual journeys and struggles to get to where theyre at now? Incredible. And they have accomplished some Dr. Disrespect shit (the 2 time back to back) which is unlikely to be repeated.

[@Odynmythera]

Good comment sir😊

[@atcs5757]

if TS wins this TI then TS will have 2 TI wins too

[@AhmudDokab]

Sumail said on stream that Somnus/Maybe is the best midlaner of all time!

[@aki32300]

​@@atcs5757yeah but not with the same line up which og did.

[@Borgir443]

​@@aki32300and not back to back

[@dota2games861]

Totally agree, for me it is Miracle on his top. I’d really love to see him back soon

[@scourge9869]

Miracle the goat especially 1v5 and that's not the pub game or ranked game, it's a tournament game

[@mmweh1321]

Yeah, I thought Miracle- would dominate for couple more years, but Kuroky had other plans in t3.

[@nishant86]

Miracle-, Ceb, all OG players, Puppey - Notail played with or managed almost all of them

[@takumifujiwara300]

Glad Miracle and Dendi got mentioned

[@sstayme7o]

well, Kuro destroyed Miracle's career

[@VoydVelasco]

You dont want RAZOR pos 5?😂😂

[@nanezferrer3565]

@@VoydVelasco LMFAO

[@everminenow]

Its really hard to say whos the goat but when it comes to individual performance, its miracle fosho

[@fcpatrick4554]

GOAT Player:Miracle Captain:Puppy Team Moralization:Ceb Achievement:Notail

[@parzival7779]

MIRACLE is the goat of dota 2. It’s like 80% of the pros believed that he is the chosen one. Hopefully, some team will recruit him as MID for the upcoming tournaments and TI. He always dominate his mid lane like crazy. I just think he is still in his PRIME but he was just too loyal to his team with kuroky. PS: He is still playing at this time and reached ranked 6 Leaderboards in EU server.

[@marth2535]

He doesnt play professionally anymore because of health reasons afaik

[@dzk6714]

he is not, he is not even close to Puppey

[@overhaul5548]

@@marth2535 he's coming back this season

[@mynameistriple_w]

He is now focusing on himself, u can see on his last tournament he’s gained some weight and probably on a bulk.

[@ADCclips]

Vigo: That Fookin nobody is Amer. Son: Oh? Vigo: We call him "Miracle" Son: The LEGEND? Vigo: He's not just a LEGEND, He's the one you sent to kill other legends.. Son: Damn. Vigo: I once saw him in a pro match kill 5 people with an OD, with a Fookin OD!! 😂😂😂

[@abelalgiffary33]

Source pls

[@Yorchhh]

Hahaha like John Wick, that's funny

[@ADCclips]

@@Yorchhh Hahaha

[@johnreyramasasa7738]

Growing up watching Miracle, I would say I've never seen anyone better than Miracle. Not being biased but his talent and skills shows it

[@namanjalan8585]

the reason miracle is the goat is being so humble at such level is insane to me specially in esports scene where even half of what mriacle achieve people get into there heads and start acting like superstars

[@Wisstihrwas]

In terms of individual skill it definitely has to be Miracle. What this guy did was simple outstanding. He defines metas, carried Teams and played a extreme variety of heros, back when every pro had his 2 or 3 goto heros. Dendi had Pudge, Quop or Puck. Paparazzi had Sf, AM, Gyro. Puppy had Chen. Miracle had Sf, Quop, Morph, Am, Invoker, Storm, Luna, OD, Ember etc etc

[@mzorkea]

Miracle had storm?? I think you mixed sumail with miracle there

[@Childofbhaal]

Paparazzi wrecked Miracle 1v1 which is all mechanical skill lol

[@dotalord6665]

​@@mzorkeayou forgot Miracle storm in China Super Major??? Bro memory loss

[@dotalord6665]

​@@mzorkeaSumail storm was 2015 Dota 2 Asia Championship

[@dotalord6665]

​@@ChildofbhaalYou talking about TI 71v1 tourno? Come on that's just fun 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nishant86]

Miracle- is the idol I always looked at as a player..he is the GOAT

[@henrichduran8778]

Damn, I miss miracle so much, I hope he can play back on ti 😢😢

[@aad4186]

Man i wanna see miracle again. Making plays. I remember the OG's . Miracle, Sumail , Noone. Their mid matchups were always worth watching

[@hexterfreecs2258]

The thing is "EVERYBODY" wants to be Miracle back at the time. Whatever hero he plays in Mid get picked at Pubs.

[@Kawarezayi]

I don’t remember who said it but somebody said nobody knew the meaning of the term outplaying until Miracle came into the scene, before that, people were just hitting creeps and pushing towers.

[@voncupher6336]

Unanimously, its Miracle- he made so much impact to the game. Not just the highlights but most of all the other top players considered him as the GOAT. When Miracle- was at his peak, he's way ahead of the competition. Trully GOATED!

[@victorduran8260]

My GOAT is Miracle Also. he had so many plays with incredible micro and very calculating moves, awesome to watch

[@shahilxd1288]

Nobody asked me but i still say "Miracle".

[@maxchristianjava8368]

ill be honest the reason why i watch Ti before because of miracle i was looking towards on his individual skill. i love he's invoker gameplay. Notail achievement wise he is goat Puppy Consistent player still above He is goat Dendi he may be not able the catch-up with current players right now but we have to respect this guy he is the face of dota shows a bug that we cant even imagine, he was monster in early dota 2. i have to mention these goats ceb,aui-2000,jerax, koro maybe ? In current dota 2 Yatoro is the best carry as of now and replacing miracle.

[@gongtaumaster-h9t]

And who is Yatoro's idol?

[@akshaysharma30498]

Miracle used to make play after play after play consistently that’s what makes him different, it wasn’t like 1-2 lucky things, you could see him consistently making smart moves

[@kevinnosaurus793]

Individual and raw skill wise Prime Miracle is a good answer. Overall aspect if we include like achievements , influences , legacy , and what they did for Dota2 scene both community and pro scene the answer will be undeniably Notail. Honorable mention is Ame the Uncrowned King.

[@araara6673]

Ame didn't leave LGD right? He's still a member but not active? cmiiw

[@OttoVaughn21]

Well my GOAT is ana. Dude is literally unranked and played for a week before joining TI yet still won 2 TI. Dude just made TI his summer job. Imagine if he played consistently.

[@shin29534]

If miracle left nigma when kuroky is a shell of his former self he could've have won more

[@justmusic2353]

I respect Miracles lotalty, that shows that he values friendship more than achievements, truely a goat in and out of game

[@hakimdots6466]

If you guys were there when Miracle world first reached 9K MMR, it was so hyped. His named and highlight all over the place. He did ahead of his time. But nowdays people already catch up. You either retired as a hero or compete long enough to see yourself wash up.

[@puglife2773]

Miracle was ahead of his time. Dude doing stuff that will either cost or win you the game.

[@cornflakes1275]

Can't go wrong with miracle, agree with collapse .. His playstyles are just out of this world.. Risky but when he pull that off is just fuckng amazing... Its like "how is that possible???" 😅

[@NOOBGAMERS-vs6ne]

PMA wise dota person = either CED or Puppey, but when you talk about the whole package, personality, entertaiment, moment of magic, signature hero, simphony of skill, it has to be him, THE MYTH THE LEGEND, MIRACLE DOTA. no one came close. Its MIRACLE SHOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW

[@p1xma4]

you never came?

[@bigsean6045]

Dota at this day and age has the biggest talent it ever had and it keeps getting higher and better. Even now Miracle is in the top 5, but back then? Waaay ahead of time, no question about it, he was number 1 All the greats such as Topson, w33, Arteezy, Sumail etc were always close, but not really above his level. There is talent, and then there is a genius.

[@agni4814]

miracle still rank 6 , hope he makes a comeback with some other team

[@AyratHungryStudent]

I think TI12 Yatoro is very close to peak Miracle. Difficult to say who's better. When picking GOAT, you have to consider the consistency. There were many great players and teams throughout the history of Dota. But not that many consistently on top for several years.

[@tanyapunyo2074]

Puppey?

[@darkstar3563]

he is consistent on top cuz he got the best offlaner to ever play dota and the best support duo after notail and jerax., while miracle has to solo carry his team often, yatoro was like a passenger free farming all the time cuz collapse and supports caarrying the game on their back. yatoro is consistent carry and thats the only position where he thrive. Saying that, hes not close to becoming a goat. being only good at one thing and not remarkable, id put collapse above him to be honest. the impact collapse has in his team is undeniably the greatest

[@SetysSAK]

@@darkstar3563 I do not think you even play Dota2 or watch pro games. Either this or you are just clueless about Dota2 in general and stuck below Immortal rank. His senses and farming patterns are by far the best, much better than it was back in miracle's time. They both hit their peak at some time and currently dota 2 is faster and a little harder due to better competition. Watch his movements, nobody is even close to Yatoro's skill and understanding of the game. BTW: There is no way a TEAM win 2 TIs if there is someone not very good at any position. You can have 1 weak position and you will be not able to win. If you think someone is weakling in Team Spirit, you just do not understand the dota2. They are all 5 really great. Also everyone is mentioning how Miracle was dominating Mid, i am pretty sure back in his time, the biggest rivalry was No[o]ne vs Miracle on the middlane where No[o]ne in 60%+ games dominated him in the midlane in terms of mechanics. People are making GOAT from someone based on highlights on YT from pub. He was great player, a TI winner and pretty sure at this time the best carry player. But nowadays people are better.

[@jmtvgameplay285]

Literally its PUPPEY since dota1 he's been competing until now and still on the top teir ,11 consecutive Ti and one of the best captain in the world

[@somnumxsleep5067]

With how young the core of Team Spirit are, there’s a chance for Yatoro/Collapse there if they are not still there. Also glad to hear Dendi, if you started playing dota 2 since the beginning, you will hear the name Dendi everywhere for four years and even past TI6.

[@syamimzaini3648]

speaking about fact, miracle impact creates so many pro player now.

[@HatiKeseorangan]

i think miracle to.... the most nightmare in dota 2 i ever see which is during the best fight agains allience, miracle arch warned defends the ancient throne with 1 HP using bubble just very speechless very very.... cannot be imaginable.... i think world of dota got shock at that time... what a lagend momment braaaaa.... love miracle so much...

[@TheycallmeG-h4c]

Who is the choke of DOTA? 23 Savage and LGD. Best choker.

[@dhannywijaya97]

Eternal Envy.... Easy...

[@FidooEllen]

Miracle gameplay moments just makes audience go, woww. Thats why he is the goat, its just magical moments

[@Mr1152451]

Miracle is such an anomaly man. Perhaps the Lebron James of Dota. Peak Sumail could be a close second. And of course Ana, when the needs arise, his full potential is realised especially on prime OG years under Ceb & NoTail’s tutelage.

[@BIadelores]

Peak Miracle is a better peak than any other pro player, ever. No one in 2017 could even approach him, he was light years ahead. I hope one day that Miracle returns.

[@randomguyatfarm]

Miracle a Ti winner and Ti second place. First professional player to reach 9K mmr. I remember watching his gameplay before picking those hero in actual match. Now miracle can't leave NGX since his a co-founder unless, revoking his contract and ownership.

[@alienangom116]

Nothing offensive but miracle's downfall is just because of love to his team not the dota2. He could be friends with anyone but game is game, he have to choose team coz it's teamwork. I don't know why kuro is still playing btw!

[@tarekmerhe9421]

Miracle is the GOAT every player loves miracle ,i like Ame he desrve a spot light as well and i am sure Collapse will be one later on !

[@krishnarai4854]

peak Miracle was a different beast. I do think Current midlaners learned a lot from him.

[@Diplofer1]

Those who has been following Miracle since 2015 2016 they know very well.

[@divineminover2633]

Icon of dota 2 - dendi Prince of dota 2 - miracle- King of dota 2 - sumail A Genius with luck - Topson The greatest dark horse team - Spirit God of dota 2 - Gaben

[@oNeHanDGuN]

i wish miracle will back to pro scene again soon..

[@illumination_0109]

Collapse in love with Miracle his reacting when mentioning him XD

[@tomoyakun9294]

Before ODpixel was screaming ceb's name, he was screaming miracle's name more times than I can count.. especially those antimage games ive seen

[@TheSepl95]

All wanna see Miracle, but he needs better support than Kuro2k.

[@k.v.s.yashwanth5424]

Mircale playing mid would dominate the lane. He is the man who nerfed invoker.

[@AdrianStoicescu-d7t]

As a gamer that have seen dota since forever i can tell you one thing, there is no doubt that the best player that ever touched this game is Miracle by a far margin, when it comes to skill ceiling nobody will be even close to him, this guy is so good like if he doesnt play for 10 years he will be able to compete with the best in a short period of time. Miracle is Messia of Dota no doubt about it.

[@marcolobos6749]

Highest individual peak = Miracle Longest individual peak = Puppey Best Team = TI 8 and 9 OG

[@iancaesar24]

Best team not wings gaming?😂

[@belikearu]

@@iancaesar24 anyone would claim wings is the best team is coping really hard 😅

[@iancaesar24]

@@belikearu did you even watch the games bro?

[@Childofbhaal]

@@belikearuPlayers from OG legit said they were heavily inspired by Wings and wanted to adopt some of their play style and drafting. Wings could have been great but were screwed by their organization. We don’t know what would have happened to them

[@ero-samairianto625]

@@belikearu wings was the best, and thats a fact. So sad the "elders" in their organization is some hungry-money tanuki

[@Hemskelol]

Noone will ever reach peak Miracle- mechanics in this game, that kid was legit superhuman, what a player. Agree with Crit- mostly I guess, and Collapse.

[@AhmadGhaziA]

Puppey. Dota is about constant changes. And puppey are standing tall since dota 1 until TI12. Best.

[@human_being99_3]

i think its really hard to say who the GOAT is because the new generation learned from the best and perfected their craft players like miracle just learned on their own for me miracle is the GOAT eventhough i think yatoro is much better than miracle was at his peak its like comparing scientists from 1000 years ago with scientists today every scientist from today can achieve more than the best scientist 1000 years ago could achieve but they put the first pieces into place to make the next steps much easier

[@koondoog4282]

collapse always looks like he just heard an inside joke and is trying not to laugh

[@schrodingjer1308]

This is a very hard question TBH, mainly because the career of a dota2 pro player is not that long unlike other traditional sports. I'll say in terms of longevity and consistency, Puppey is the GOAT. In terms of Overall individual skill its Miracle. But in terms of being the face of dota and helps build the community from scratch. Ill say its Dendi.

[@jeps7688]

Miracle every move he makes is a highlight, even if he's pos 4 or 5 putting a ward would definitely be a highlight.

[@UmarRosyad]

There must be some of categories for every position and other aspects. But my true inspiration for playing Dota is master SingSing and AdmiralBulldog Hahah

[@King0neEurope]

Honestly now it might be Yatoro... He just doesnt make mistakes.

[@krasimirmarinov6070]

I still haven't seen player as good as Miracle on individual skill, neither i have seen an invoker player like him there was a time if he picks invoker he wins all game alone use to be called " The Miracle Show ... true legend in DOTA community !

[@denniseusebio5079]

Miracle

[@AlexanderTheGoat25]

Back in the day i always watch miracle gameplay in youtube, he is not even pro at that time but he is the no.1 player in the world at rhat time.

[@sshankackerman3970]

Miracle is The GOAT. Celebrity of Dota

[@adhi_atma]

Now yatoro would be in conversation. Best carry to date

[@ffejjong6446]

i already quit dota but when miracle play cant stop watching it

[@dtechzsama]

I can understand why they pick miracle but at the end of the day he got only 1 TI championship.

[@gabrielflores4993]

Miracle

[@am4deuss]

I feel like Miracle's retirement should be good. At his prime, he was just incredible, he was like a magician, squeezing water from a stone making impossible things happen. If you see his liquipedia profile, its like every dota2 players dream, pub guy comes to pro scene, immediately winning multiple majors, winning TI, getting 2nd place next TI then leaving like a chad.

[@Lynv]

I knew it. I played DotA and mostly play LoL and only has ~100 hours in dota 2 but I still like watching Miracle. Like I didn't follow Dota2 at all but imagine his skills is too good that it made him became so popular.

[@schia696]

It is a complicated question that should have multiple answers in different categories, but the short and sweet answer is definitely miracle. He had it all. Robotic calculated plays, outrageous shiny moments, above average consistency, and a very impressive hero pool

[@drakzyygaming3079]

Miracle King of outplays . You know Vigoss he’s the goat in dota 1 king of ganks. RTZ and Eve king of farm 😅. Sumail king of mid. And w33ha king of pubs. Toby king of casters. Puppey kin

[@GG-ms4qp]

First time I played dota in 2015, I stuck in 1.2k MMR until 2017, then I watched some of miracle highlights and eventually really get into it and started watching his full game, I climbed to 2k for the first time in like 2 weeks, and got into 5k in like 6 months. He definitely has the most impact to my ability of playing Dota for sure.

[@n1coboss]

miracle was just too damn good

[@zaiberboyi8519]

i agree. miracle is my vote too

[@dimdimadhim7182]

Miracle inspired me to play Dota in 2016 and I am still Herald after all. 😢

[@anirudhranjan2934]

Skill wise, Miracle. Entertainment and hype wise, Dendi.

[@as-harriedianalan3807]

Miracle, true. But dendi kinda lost his magic. It's been hard for him to play pro, even in two regions (EEU and NA). But he's probably better to be immortalized as a legend. He was once great, but not today. GOAT means you have to be consisent

[@GagGuru5]

I believe they all want to mention Kuroky but after they saw Kuroky’s drafts/performance as Razor Pos5, he was deleted right away from their mind.

[@muhaiminrazak9924]

Collape recognize Miracle. what a playah.

[@misterandmisisC]

Cr1t dodging the question by not mentioning N0tail

[@basher194]

💯% agree about Miracle- being the GOAT of Dota2

[@4ksburning162]

In my opinion Jerex is the greatest player to ever press those keys We only notice pos 1 and pos 2 unfortunately when the GOAT conversation is brought up

[@Hemskelol]

That’s just not true, people praise Jerax, Crit & Fy all the time, they’re absolute legends. Miracle- is just on another level, and other support players like Puppey have tons of achievements, along with captain credit. I’d say pos 4&2 are the noticed roles in terms of gameplay.

[@mikoypoppin3847]

MIRACLE was my idol, seing him play in majors and the time when he eas the first 9k mmr. It was a thing of beauty. 1v4 ganks, solo kills, outplays and many more. He plays enemies like they're children

[@r___n___]

Topson for creativity. Miracle for skills. Ceb for leadership.