Pros VS Joes in Beyond All Reason 2v5s!

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[@Xepent]

The fact that static defense is more cost efficient than units is a godsend for early game cheese reduction

[@Cronchychomp]

Couldn't agree more. Similar to the air and anti-air situation.

[@arkansasorigami83]

That noob that suggested suicide rush is epic... 100iq

[@BeyondAllReason]

Awesome game Cronchy! Great casting and commentary! Lovely to see a very exciting game between two teams with different skills, yet offering a balanced game, with many opportunities for the west-side as well. Thanks for making this!

[@Cronchychomp]

Of course, glad you enjoyed it!

[@MartijnHoppenbrouwer]

That orange/yellow line = "Set Target". Units can have both a Set target + a Move command to do more advanced maneuvers while attacking specific targets.

[@Cronchychomp]

Oh that's awesome, I'll have to implement that in my games!

[@Bean_dip]

Bean_dip here! Wow it is amazing how bad I am, I’ve improved some since this video. Hopefully I will be able to redeem myself in the future!! From the ashes I Rise. Bean_dip out..

[@Cronchychomp]

Glad to see you here! Looking forward to casting some of your more recent games.

[@TheGIGACapitalist]

The new players have a huge advantage in the beginning as they have much more starting build power and resources. The pros have the advantage the later it goes as they better use the resources that they do have- so once they catch up they will almost always win. Better teamwork and coordination makes a big difference too. If the joes spammed scouts or light infantry at the start of these games consistently to stop the pros from expanding these games probably wouldn't ever go to the pros.

[@Cronchychomp]

That makes sense. I would love to see one of these games go the way of T1 spam.

[@MasterBel2]

- If the joes spammed scouts or light infantry at the start of these games consistently to stop the pros from expanding these games probably wouldn't ever go to the pros. Maybe, depends on whether the pros know how to porc or not. Game can very quickly turn into a tower defence where the pros construct a basic defence that the joes don't know how to break (It really doesn't take much at all, if you know what you're doing) and the joes' efforts are essentially reduced to metal donations to the pros. Pros can generally also scale t2 eco *much* faster than joes, so they don't need to hold much of the map at all to be able to secure the late game.

[@MasterBel2]

See 8:44 - vagan attacks initially with 12 pawns, then another 7, takes out 2 llt, 2 mex, 1 constructor, 1 thug. That's about 1k metal spent to kill about 500. Another 5 pawns come by, 2 die without dealing any damage. And, on top of this, Flaka still had enough army and defences to secure the wrecks - which I'd estimate to be around 300-500 metal. So, best case scenario - Flaka 1100, vagan 200. (Not to mention the pawns cost WAY more energy than any of the units Flaka built)

[@MasterBel2]

bean_dip follows it up with his 6 pawns killing 1 grunt.

[@robw1571]

Individually though they are all weaker than the team of two. Even at the beginning. It would require serious coordination to leverage their starting position. Each has 1/5 of the available resources while the other team has 1/2.

[@seanhoffman2755]

ya really it was more like a 1v4 with flaka carrying the whole game hahaa

[@davidsirmons]

There was a 2v6 pros v joes on Titan V3, with Goopy and [CRT]AdolfSatan vs 6 non-pros. It was super intense.

[@Cronchychomp]

I'll have to take a look at it!

[@Melanrick]

And the noobs fought better too.

[@josephl6289]

Lol ur videos are awesome. Love the commentary and your sense of humor. Somewhat sarcastic but in a funny way

[@Cronchychomp]

Thank you!

[@josephl6289]

@@Cronchychomp honestly surprised you aren't running 200k+ subs man. I'm pretty keen on streamers and personality and I won't be surprised if your stuff doesn't blow up. Keep at it man. You're gold. I said the same thing about Forcegaming 10 years ago. I don't say it often either.

[@Cronchychomp]

Thank you very much, these are kind words, perhaps more than I deserve!

[@someguyonhisphone3]

Please don't make me shoot that kitten :>

[@MasterBel2]

Re cloak cost - it costs more when moving. For commanders, that's 100 e/sec when still, 1000 e/sec when moving.

[@Cronchychomp]

Awesome, thanks for the information!

[@MasterBel2]

@@Cronchychomp Any time!

[@DanRTS]

Great gameplay and cast, thanks for recording! I’m currently head deep playing and recording in Planetary Annihilation Titans, but will likely get into BAR properly very soon. I’ve played it for the past year occasionally but always found it really hard to get units up fast so always felt it took a long time to get up and running. Any tips for newbies for a starting strategy, such as best energy type best units for raiding etc? Thanks for the cast.

[@Cronchychomp]

Honestly I'm no strategic mastermind, but grunts and pawns are always a safe bet for opening units. BAR will feel a bit slower compared to other PA inspired games, as the unit scale tends to be a bit smaller.

[@DanRTS]

@@Cronchychomp thanks for the tips. I will do just that :) keep the casts coming! Cheers

[@Cronchychomp]

Thank you! If I could ask, how do you find games on PTA? Last time I checked I couldn't find a game after 30 minutes of matchmaking.

[@DanRTS]

@@Cronchychomp Pretty decent to be honest, but it depends on time of day. If it is a 1v1 ranked game I normally dont need to wait more than 2-3 minutes for matchmaking (it selects people similar to your rank - its rare that you get Star vs Bronze!) I usually play at around 10am or 8-9pm GMT. Multiplayer games are much much busier at 9-10pm GMT and overnight as the Americans are online and there will be multiple (in the 10s) large multiplayer games up. A 3v3 lobby will usually fill within 10-15minutes during quiet hours though? I do feel that the community is alive and well on the game as it is still receiving updates by the devs so its not dead by any means. How long ago did you last check? Would be interesting to see a cast from you on it ;)

[@Cronchychomp]

It was before the last QoL update. The one they put out after having a decent amount of quiet time. I've been considering casting it! Maybe soon.

[@DorjenKneto]

Awsome gameplay

[@robw1571]

I would say the 5 are at big disadvantage because the map is resource poor. They need to divide it 5 ways while the other side only has to split it in 2. It will seriously slow the team of 5.

[@timoschofer2035]

This is the case when both team hold 50 percent of the map. But if u have more people u can expand faster, build more units, having more builpower and so on. When the bigger team gets only 50 percent of the map, they already have done mistakes.

[@snipplez8657]

i feel like if the pros just built mortar hounds off tier two they could have slammed them from a distance, also a mistake not pushing earlygame for more eco damage

[@ruidasilvamartins]

first time I see this game, and it seems cool !

[@Cronchychomp]

It's an awesome game! You can get it for free at the Beyond All Reason website and you can always watch some of my newer videos, too, much higher quality!

[@venezzrok-fz1du]

What an awesome game this is!

[@Cronchychomp]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@zironemegeaz]

These are fun to watch

[@Cronchychomp]

Glad you like them!

[@zironemegeaz]

@@Cronchychomp I would of watched a massive playlist of joes vs pros and still would

[@zironemegeaz]

esp with some com about how the joes could of won

[@Cronchychomp]

I'll have to find some more games like that!

[@ShadowKain666]

Fer sher

[@jannisop7]

i like wgen the music would be a bit quieter

[@Cronchychomp]

I'll keep it in mind, thank you!

[@manumaster1990]

nice

[@Altaree1]

When you highlight a group, can you leave them highlighted a little longer. I keep trying to read the counts but you are clicking very fast. Thanks! p.s. I really like the Pros VS Joes format.

[@Cronchychomp]

Of course, thank you for mentioning it!

[@m1ximus749]

Love it! could i maybe apply to another one of these? if thats a thing

[@m1ximus749]

26 ts

[@Cronchychomp]

I didn't host this one, I was merely sent the file. If this is something the community wants, I might be able to get something together!

[@natemeier2908]

What map is this???

[@Cronchychomp]

I don't know, apologies.

[@natemeier2908]

@@Cronchychomp all good! Maybe someone else will chime in.

[@kiler273]

yeeees

[@ackkipfer]

love this kinda match! tho...i would argue that is best with a lower song volume...it's ok to hear the song but this is kinda too much already.

[@Learningtheczechlanguage]

Please help my avast antivirus just detected this game as a malware even though i know its not but scared because i dont know what IDP.Gneric is please help i dont know how this is considered a malware i was just playing yesterday is the game now malware? i hope not....

[@yammyyuri9331]

First of all don’t use avast it’s a semi decent antivirus software but anything that isn’t from steam or epic games or anything like that it won’t let you download and try checking to see if your profile on windows is admin cuz then you’ll be able to override avast saying it’s a malware and also make sure your downloading the game from the website cuz it could very well be a malware

[@Givy55]

We usually play with a 1 hour truce so we can build up before declaring war. That way you have full armies to go against each other. It's more fun. This early game rush shit ruins it!! Where's the challenge in taking out an undefended base? It's about as challenging as taking candy from a baby and just a moral! LOL When we first played TA our one buddy had learned the game and destroyed us all with big birtha's while we were just trying to figure the game out. I had friends that wouldn't even play the game after that!

[@Cronchychomp]

I would disagree heartily! If that's the way you want to play then that's great, but taking offensive and defensive actions early on is a key part of base-building RTS games.

[@Givy55]

@Cronchychomp The advantage will always be with whomever can build the fastest. It becomes a race instead of a war. But yeah its just my friends and I preferred way of playing. We have done the truce thing since way back to Command and Conquer and we've had a blast! lol It's a different game when you know you are going up against a base and player with units and defense in place! That's when strategy comes into play. This one time we were playing C&C and I faked an assault on my friends base to the north to get his units to move up from the south where his base was weakest and when they did, my real attact started in the south. It was glorious!

[@Cronchychomp]

That's awesome! Cool moments like that are always memorable. Not sure if it would be your jam but Total War games lets you start out with huge armies, and I would definitely recommend the older games in the series.

[@josephl6289]

U really don't like sprinters lol not very inclusive of you 😢😂😂

[@Cronchychomp]

Indeed, I think they're topping the list on my least favorite units.

[@aiderrate916]

1st lol

[@Cronchychomp]

Nice!