Developers vs Pros - Crazy 8v8! Beyond All Reason (Epic RTS)

[@BeyondAllReason]

BAR Devs not only stronk in developing :D Thanks for this Winter!

[@donbionicle]

Slightly random question: do t1 walls block the shots of non-artillery t1 units, if they're trying to shoot a laser tower behind said walls?

[@URUC-Official]

Well hot damn! that was one hell of a swing! Sea planes T-Shirts for merch store😎

[@johngreen2468]

devs pulled the seaplane imba unit that noone new about? :P

[@BeyondAllReason]

@@URUC-Official Haha! Yeah we should add Teifion Logo on them :P

[@BeyondAllReason]

@@johngreen2468 Well... everybody in this game should know that seaplanes are T1.5...

[@Agora2021]

Damn, devs actually did fantastic. I'm used to seeing devs getting floored.

[@TheJBerg]

Same. Guess that explains why this game is actually good😅

[@masterlinktm]

That is because most other devs are devs first and gamers second/never.

[@Yayaloy9]

that's why the game is so amazing lol

[@dblaikie]

Winter using "remnants" to describe anything in this game just makes me think of the intro of Total Annihilation - "The remnants of their armies continue to battle on ravaged planets..."

[@SaraSpalding]

What a sick game, but a couple of the comments kind of annoy me a little bit. People are surprised that these devs are good/passionate and think that's somehow innate to them and that AAA game devs (or whoever) are just worse somehow. On one hand you have a completely open source, volunteer project, driven entirely by spare time, passion and the coming together of a community where there are no CEO pockets to line and no mortgages to pay, a one in a million environment standing as proof of the cool shit that can be done when you're not beholden to capitalism and employment. On the other you have AAA game development, which zero developers get into for money, but end up having to rely on for money. Where those developers don't pick what they make, they don't pick their deadlines, they have mandatory working hours + abhorrent crunch hours and they have all of their passion systematically destroyed by their industry because they have to make a Product for Profit. Obviously one of those projects is going to have more passionate, energized and invested developers who clearly play the thing they make. The problem is not Who is making the games, its How and Why they are making the games. Once again though, sick match and a big shout out to the whole BAR team/community. It's something very special.

[@flippedoutcookie]

This is completely false. Bungie devs were trash at their games (except for a couple guys who were 50's during the hay days of Halo 3 for example) and they were absolutely passionate about game making/their own games specifically. RTS games I imagine require more skilled devs at their own game in general. How else will they balance/design properly? Mix in OS, this being a passion project, being long time RTS players, etc... yeah they are the damn exception overall. There is no way to cope about it otherwise it's simply true.

[@SaraSpalding]

@@flippedoutcookie jfc. Firstly the team playing here are not all "balancers" or really even designers that's not really how BAR or any dev team works. And yes you can obviously be passionate about your game and be bad at it too. That's not incompatible with anything I said. This game is literally built by *players* because they simply wanted it to exist and had the skillsets necessarily. Obviously they are better at their game (that they are building for *themselves*) than a studio making a product to a brief in order to make a profit. That is what makes them so exceptional. It is not some innate property of being somehow mystically, inherently different as a human being to your average AAA developer. It's just products under capitalism versus products not.

[@Bowzerkega]

Never realized just how strong seaplanes where.

[@Vevvev8]

They can only be built in water, but their effectiveness is incredible. It's like a tech 1.5 or tech 2 style unit. They're meant to be used in water battles, but they're equally good against land to. They can also land underwater and some come equipped with sonar for dealing with submarines like the Torpedo Gunships.

[@NoNameAtAll2]

were*

[@woarl]

I had a great time, I can't believe nobody expected the air raid though.

[@donbionicle]

Air rushes seem to be frowned upon, so it was a great play to exploit that gap in preparedness.

[@BeyondAllReason]

@@donbionicle Teifion is very well known for his 'unexpected' air-raids.. Somehow, he keeps pulling them off...

[@woarl]

@@donbionicle The only people frowning on them are the ones that forgot to build anti-air.

[@Etruscots]

I think if the pings came a little bit sooner or if they were spammed Mighty Sheep woulda lived and maybe even Moms coulda lived too, for example Flak was almost built in time. It looked to me that the moment the two realized what was going on the planes were already on top of them.

[@imomedvidek]

man, I'm so glad that caster of your qualities is making BAR videos. I absolutely love to watch this game, so thank you.

[@catbert7]

There's quite a few good casters for BAR. Try Kona. He's new but hilarious.

[@catbert7]

Ah yes, 8 "pros" and zero anti-air. Classic.

[@shawnlongman9815]

Crazy how important the water is on this map, it’s game defining definitely!

[@LeakysTV]

thats why the dev make the enermy river player crash :D

[@T0tenkampf]

thats two casts in a row that MBT wasnt toxic, played to the end, and did really well. We may see him start jumping way up in the rankings!

[@DJTimeLock]

I mean, you probably dont want to be toxic when playing against the devs xD

[@ihavespoken1083]

The devs all looking at their side of map. The plebs looking at other side of map.

[@BeyondAllReason]

We dislike that word in all honesty. We try to honor the fact that most devs actually play the game a lot, and that indeed might be the secret ingredient why people seem to like BAR. However, in the leaderboards you can see that most top ranked players are not devs.

[@sampsonsampson]

Really glad you're making content on more RTS

[@yevanasvetya5486]

Devs actually delivers a stunning match. them lot really are a true show man.

[@Dougieeeee90]

Very entertaining game! Thanks for casting!

[@entertheabzu]

Damn, what a match. The plebs were cocky that's for sure, was glad to see them get bodied. Really good match on both sides.

[@basileusbasil4041]

I just realized something that might make losing late games more fun in these games: Some kind of guerilla warfare units and buildings that allows a losing player to try and make a comeback.

[@calebshort2169]

i cant believe i got to play 8 games or so with and against wintergaming last night. i was totally outclassed save one really nice pladdy push i had nothing

[@grahamelliott9506]

in the original TA , you could use an air transport and 'kidnap' the enemy commander, fly them over enemy air defenses and let them shoot you down for big boomies

[@nathanneal5525]

BAR can't be selected as the game this KZbin vid is covering yet? rip

[@BeyondAllReason]

We need to have a Wikipedia page, which needs 'real' references of big/trustworthy websites. We've applied to verify our wiki-page setup, but it got declined multiple times. We've recently been covered by the biggest tech website in the Netherlands, maybe this will finally do the trick.

[@masterlinktm]

@@BeyondAllReason "trustworthy" websites Cringe. Because the actual game devs are untrustworthy. /s

[@awakeandwatching953]

@@masterlinktm just another reason to despise wikapedia

[@Liam-do7rv]

Unfortunate that one Pro player disconnected would have been interesting to see the counter sea plane attack...

[@randomsounds2167]

rip teifion, he will be missed (he's not dead he just left)

[@DyingCr0w]

That was savage. Wow.

[@seafire1900]

BAR players trying not to make the wackest names ever.

[@Mekose]

Devs playing and being good at the game they're making is the same reason TFT and FFXIV are such gems. I'm in love with BAR and I understand why after seeing the passion from the devs. Great game!

[@Komyets]

Can you clarify what TFT is plz?

[@Mekose]

@@Komyets team fight tactics, it's the league of legends auto-chess game. I hate league, but TFT is incredibly fun and well designed. The lead dev of the game "Mortdog" frequently streams playing the game and releases videos on youtube for every patch going over his thought process on the changes. He has a mantra of "always blame me, not the team" because he cares about his team and listens to the community.

[@TheKetsa]

Do they have way bigger maps for 8v8 ? this looks small for so many players.

[@iliasshogenov5929]

Are seaplanes stronger than t2 planes?

[@kanseidorifto2430]

That might depend but they’re definitely a good bit stronger than T1 and are reasonably as cheap. So you get much stronger air

[@BeyondAllReason]

no, they are more T1.5

[@gilles22]

Fun one !

[@Treksh]

Pretty neat game, shame it didnt go into the late game.

[@JafoolyTing]

If the devs lose, everyone getting banned.

[@Klaus2319]

well centurions are the BIIIIG gruns xD, same attack but stronger, more range more hp+ expensive and slow how 2 upload and download replays? I got an fun game with super hero TICK 200+ promotions xD

[@manumaster1990]

nice!

[@Jup1t0r]

Momsboytoy 💀💀👀

[@kurtremislettmyr7108]

party cast

[@peterc504]

Keep trying this game jus cant get into how goofy and legoish it looks...i wish they went with a diff art style..

[@StarScream_47]

air just takes the fun out of everything...

[@Church287]

Or you could just not leave yourself completely vulnerable to it. The fact that out of 8 players there wasn't at least 1 on each side more or less dedicated to air is kinda ridiculous.

[@masterlinktm]

A backline raid was bound to happen considering how hard top was winning.

[@Mekose]

This could have been stopped by a few cheap AA turrets back in base or one out of 8 players building a few fighters. The seaplanes were scouted on the forward radars, so they had time to react they just didn't expect it and left themselves open. I've started always putting a few AA turrets in the front line after being wiped by air pushes. Also consider that top completely won their lanes, which means there was no pressure on green which allowed them breathing room to make air to support the other lanes. If top had been pressured more then green would have been forced to keep making sea units to defend their lane. Keep in mind it does take time and resources to switch to air and if you go air first then you have no ground units to hold your lane. Top was bound to wrap around anyway, this wasn't some OP move that they did for free.

[@danimusdecimus2674]

impressive match