Proto Indo European Stories (More of the Oldest Folktales)

[@Crecganford]

Are there any other folktales you specifically would like to know about?

[@off_Planet]

Hi! Hope you're having a great weekend! If you continue this series I'd be interested in your opinions on Frau Holle. It has been brought up by a few matriarchy researchers as proof of a supreme mother godess, but seeing as pretty much the whole field seems to have been at the very least heavily criticized for the general lack of scientific methodology, I am highly suspecious of those claims. Nevertheless, the tale seems to have very old origins and deals with a powerful female god-like figure. I haven't read too much on the tale, so it would be interesting to know whether it's wide spread and how old it actually is, along with your thoughts on the themes and the implications on old religion/mythology. Cheers!

[@Crecganford]

@@off_Planet yes, I'll happily look into this, and make a video about this as soon as I can :)

[@off_Planet]

@@Crecganford I'm looking forward to it! :)

[@blothhundssbh1055]

My favourite Folk Tale is very popular in the Alps, in the former province of Dauphiné. I don't know if it exists in English because I have not found it, I always knew it in Occitan or in French, under titles like "la Montanha vèrda" (The Green Mountain) or "la Montanha de Veire" (The Mountain of Glass). I will try to resume it as best as I can, maybe it will talk to you for similarities you may found with other Folk Tales. Some versions start with a young man that is out of money and that is helped by a strange figure (often described as the devil in Christianized versions), while other versions start with the young man observing the bathing young daughters of this said strange man and stealing their clothes because he want to attract the attention of one of her. Anyways, it always lead him to be put into the service of this strange man. To go into the service of this man, the young one must go to this Mountain the titled is about, and on his way he will be asking to different figures how to go there, it often involves an old lady and a raven. If I recall well, there are version where he travel by being transported by a gigantic eagle that he must fed with flesh (often his own flesh) during the travel (this similar eagle is also present in other Folk Tales I heard in Occitan speaking countries, one of them being similar to Jack and the Beanstalk, and one of them being Joan de l'Ors apparently related to older Bear cults). When the young man finally arrives at the strange man's home, he will met there with his three daughters (if he hasn't met them yet), and will often fall in love with one of them. After a night resting, he will have to complete his first task for the man that generally consist in cutting a lot of trees with unusable tools, but by chance the young daughter he fell in love with will help him with magic. Then come the second task: the strange man ask him often to retrieve an item lost in the sea, and again the daughter will help him with magic. And the third and final task: he will have to retrive a golden item (often a golden apple) from an higher places (often a church, a tall tree or something like that). This last time the daughter can't help him with magic, but she help him other wise: she say that if he boil her in a cauldron, he'll be able to use her bones to make a ladder, and when he's done, he can boil her bones back to resurrect her. And so, he does it, and he'll (by mistake in some version, purposely in other) forget to put one of her toes in the cauldron, resurrecting her with a missing toe. When all of this is done, he'll go back to the house and the strange man will be impressed because these impossible tasks are done, and so he say he will give one of his daughter to the young man. He can't chose which one directly, but he allows him to be with the three naked daughters in a dark room. He can only chose his wife by touching her (often only her feet), and the clever young man will of course recognize the one he loves thanks to the missing toe. After the wedding, they'll both go to bed but the girl know her father will murder them during the night so she will say they must flee and so they'll do. Before going, she'll let a bit of her blood in the bed and this blood will be answering for her every time the father will come checking if they are sleeping (to kill them during their sleep). They'll flee using a horse; often the girl will tell the boy which horse to chose (the quickest) but he'll chose the wrong one (by mistake or purpusedly). During the morning, when all the blood is dry, the strange man will understand they fled and will try to catch them. He'll always be behind them but they'll trick him: the girl will turn them into random objets/people (at least three time). Eventually the wife of the strange man, that can be tricked, will go after them ultimately because she can't be tricked that easily, but the young couple will in the end be out of the strange man territory... sometimes it ends there. But in some other versions, the girl say to the young boy that he must go before her and that she can't follow right now. She says that when he's home, he must NOT let anyone kiss him or he will forget about her. But when he's home, often about sleeping, his family will kiss him regardless and he'll forgot about the girl... often it also ends here on a terribly sad note, but in some versions the girl find a way to make him regain his memory and the tale ends in a more positive note. Thank you if you read till there and sorry if my English is not always perfect!

[@Crecganford]

@@blothhundssbh1055 Thank you for sharing this, I will look into this to see if I can find out more :)

[@israeltovar3513]

Godfather Death was made into a movie in Mexico, considered one of the best ever made, "Macario". In the story, a very poor man complains to his wife that he works too hard as a woodcutter, and still lives in hunger, since he always gives the most of the food to his wife and children. The wife steals a turkey, roasts it, and gives it as a gift to her husband, to thank him for the hard work, and tells him to take it to the mountain where he works, so he won't have to share. He does, but he finds an old man, who introduces himself as "God" and asks him to share. He refuses, and leaves that spot. I don't remember what God offered, but I think there was an offer or an insinuation of an offer. The next person he finds is the Devil, who also asks for a piece. He sends him away, and runs away. The final one is Death. The man shares with Death, and Death asks why, since he rebuked both God and Devil. He said that, since negotiating with Death is useless, he could at least buy extra time to eat while Death is also eating. Death is amused, and gives him a gift: he guides him to a spring, and collects water. He said that the water will heal all disease and injury. However, he first will have to see the patient alone. If Death is at the patient's feet, he is allowed to heal it. If Death is by the patient's head, that person is doomed, and he will have to let Death do its job. He accepts, and builds a reputation, and wealth, as a healer. However, the story is set in Mexican Colonial times, and the Inquisition sets out to investigate if the healing powers come from God or the Devil. He is jailed, and threatened with torture and death. Until, the Spanish Viceroy, the highest authority, sends for him, because his daughter is very sick, and his wife insists in trying everything they can. He is summoned, and asks to see the girl alone. He sees Death by her head, and begs Death to let him heal her, since he will die in the Inquisition's hands otherwise. Death is not moved and Macario tries to move the bed, so Death would be at her feet, but Death also moves around unseen. Realizing the futility, Macario jumps out a window, leaving the family to find the girl death. Running for the hills, Macario finds a cave, where Death shows him millions of candles. Each is a person's life, and he showed the Viceroy's daughter one, as it is extinguished. He then shows him his own, and tells him he wasted the gift away, using it for profit, when it was such a sacred thing. Macario panics, grabs his candle, and runs away. On his flight, he finds both God and the Devil, who mock him and reproach him for rebuking them. He finally collapses. Later that day, a messenger arrives to find his wife, who is seen again as a poor woman in a small hut. She goes to the mountain and finds him death, and next to him, a half-eaten turkey. The viewer is left to guess what had happened: if Macario dreamed it all, and died because he was too malnourished to digest the amount of turkey meat, or that it did happened, and Macario never survived just finding Death, and Death had taken Macario and eaten its half...

[@oligultonn]

In the Supernatural Helper section you mention that Gilitrutt is from Ireland. Well infact it is from Iceland and as an Icelander I immedietly recognized the story especially when you mentioned the guess my name part. Here is the shortened version Icelandic Gilitrutt folklore: A farmer had a beautiful wife but she was lazy. He wanted her to spin him a garment of wool. She didn't want to but an ogre shows up and offers to spin for her. The ogre does but afterwards tells the woman that she needs payment but the wife does not have anything to pay her. The ogre then tells the woman that she will be back and that the ogre will take the wife and eat her unless she can guess her name in 3 attempts. The ogre then leaves. The wife tells her husband who in a fit of anger leaves to take a walk to cool down. He then passes a cave on his walk where the ogre is sitting and spinning. The ogre mocks the wife and then says "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Gilitrutt is my name." The husband quickly leaves to tell his wife. The ogre comes back and tells the woman to guess her name. In the first 2 attempts she says other names but in the 3rd attempt she says Gilitrutt. The ogre is so shocked by this that she runs for the stairs and then falls down the stairs and dies.

[@Crecganford]

Thank you for sharing this, it is very much appreciated.

[@kaarlimakela3413]

What de heck!? A female ogre is buried in the story. I had to read it twice to be sure 😃

[@fiktivhistoriker345]

Just a suggestion: Beauty and the Beast might have something to do with kidnapping or abduction of women, wich seemed to be common in early times. Once the woman was married - even against her will - there was nothing to do against it, and it might have been better to accept it. Concerning the cheating of death, maybe it was a view on medicine in early times? The doctors actually cheated death, so it seemed. I think, cheaters were often admired then, like Odysseus/Ulysses. But everybody knew, you couldn't cheat death forever... About werewolves, there was an article in german press about a cultsite in eastern europe, where lots of crushed bones of dogs or wolfes were found. It was suggested, that young men were forced to sacrifice their pet dogs in order to become a warrior, then going on a raid through other countries. That gives a special view on the story of little red riding hood i think.

[@Crecganford]

Hi and thanks for watching. Some interesting thoughts, and there is much i want to say, too much to say here, but in summary the dog aspect is interesting and dog sacrifice was a pan indo- European ritual so may be worth diving into, as for the stories, the specific stories may have these meanings, but the ATU refers to types, versions 4,000 years old, and this is what I’m referring too. For example B&B is well documented as a woman fantasy motif, but the version we know, like the Disney version, may well be shaped to tackle kidnapping to. Perhaps I’ll do other videos diving into this more to explain my references.

[@fiktivhistoriker345]

There seem to be two ways to interprete these old tales: either literally - something happened and the Story was told again and again - or psychologically, that it told people something about life. I tend to the first view, that something might have happened, that gave a model for the story that was told. Okay, these stories must have been of interest for a greater variety of people to survive. But i find it hard to believe, that they were invented out of the blue.

[@Crecganford]

@@fiktivhistoriker345 yes, I agree, stories change to match the teller, the culture, and I'll endeavour to be clearer about this in my videos, to show which version I'm talking about

[@biscuitcoup5845]

Chalking the B&B myth up to "women nowadays wants a bad boy, so they always did" seems anachronistic. Women, across the globe, are not genetically predisposed to want tamable bad boys, despite it being a popular trope in fiction. Also, we really shouldn't apply 21st century Google searches to what a Neolithic/Bronze Age woman might think about the perfect man. Isn't it very possible that a patriarchal society just has been telling women the same story for 4000 years to make them comply with their fate? I am not saying I am 100%, but neither are you. Edit: I replied to the wrong comment, was supposed to be to Crecganford's answer.

[@dumupad3-da241]

@@Crecganford I don't see how you can 'document a story as a woman fantasy motif'. You can document the story itself, not what its existence is caused by. That some women fantasise about taming bad boys is clear, but this doesn't prove this caused the folklore motif. The story as we know it is explicitly about *involuntary* marriage imposed *by an outside force* on the woman's *family*, and the woman is clearly shown to initially find the beast scary and unattractive, not tempting - what she really finds attractive is the beautiful prince that he is eventually transformed into. Certainly, there are other types of stories about animal or supernatural husbands, but then so are there stories about animal or supernatural wives - whatever lies behind all of these is a much more general thing than a gender-specific fantasy. In general, people today are all too inclined to ignore the socially and historically conditioned factors influencing such things in favour of the individual and supposedly 'eternally human' ones, which are, in turn, all too often identified with things that are common and popular today.

[@ДаниилФролов-м3л]

When you keep in mind that Rumpelschtiekzchehn is that ancient, it makes much more sense. Fairy tales are usually illustrated or adapted as typical Middle Ages or 18 century, with a king in ermine mantle living in a huge palace or castle, and it's just weird when some common guy boasts how his daughter can sew and the king just marries her. While if you imagine king of some tribe, feasting in a long house with the whole community, asking to tell coolstories - it gets organic.

[@seanfaherty]

the stories are great but the most interesting thing is that you seem to find different morals than most people

[@meg2249]

The Death married three sisters tale is strikingly similar to Bluebeard. But like you said it probably is the ancient root of BlueBeard. And it’s no surprise that a lot of these tales are aimed at women as women tend to be more vocal oriented than males. Plus when your father could simply sell you to some other family for some financial or political gain/ you were captured by a rival tribal group with absolutely no regard for your own personal safety it makes sense to try to warn girls how to best survive a very potentially dangerous new life through stories told from a very young age before an era of writing.

[@gingeredawn6764]

i'm gonna argue that beauty and the beast was less about girls wanting bad boys and more about 'in case you get stolen, sold, given in marriage (or whatever that looked like back then) to some rando...remember he might actually be awesome! take heart!'

[@SI-qp7cm]

Only in this era can we see people trying to reinterpret a Millenia old story just by searching their feelings and then inserting their ideology.

[@dmitrykizyanov6577]

Удивительный рассказчик. Слушаю и радуюсь!

[@Crecganford]

Спасибо

[@juliamavroidi8601]

The Tale of Beauty and the Beast is also found in the Gilgamesch epic in Ennkidu and Shamhat. In addition to what other commenters said abozt it being a story meant to soothe/manipulate women in an unhappy marriage/abduction situation, from a male perspective it also paints women as keepers and teachers of culture. Looking at hunter-gatherer cultures or later military states like Sparta, men and women often lead very different lifestyles and spent little time together prior to marriage, so love stories like Beauty and the Beast on the one hand convinced women that men could be reintroduced to their lifestyle while it taught men that this conversion was desirable. The most modern story where this theme of "civilizing" men is put that bluntly is probably the musical Seven Brides for Seven Brothers which even references the Sabine Women. After the 60s those themes were more well hidden, but still as prominent.

[@MadeleineLJNorman]

Found you a week ago after KZbin recommend you and I've been watching atleast one video every day since. Great channel!!

[@Crecganford]

Thank you for watching, and for taking the time to comment. It is appreciated.

[@Rhaenarys]

The best part about the Devil's Wives is at the end, he ends up destroying himself because he's faced with all 3 wives who are very pissed 😂🤣

[@off_Planet]

Great video, as always! Just leaving this here for the algorithm, I wrote down my questions under your own comment :D

[@Crecganford]

Thanks for continuing to support me and the channel, it means a lot :)

[@cataphractus9800]

Thank you for yet another fantastic video and for interesting google search information! :)

[@Crecganford]

And thank you for watching it :)

[@eh1843]

I strongly disagree with your idea of what Beauty and the Beast is about. As someone else said it might have to do with kidnapping brides. For me, it is about familial duty.

[@Crecganford]

Hi, sorry I missed your comment when you first posted it. That is certainly a possibility, although I don't recall reading any academic evidence to support this, the modern story infers the beast kidnaps the beauty. But we know in PIE speaking culture there was a bride price, and women were gifts, and this social action is more likely to spawn such a story rather than one about kidnap. If you have read any specific papers please let me know as I'm interested in pursuing this further. Thank you for your comment.

[@feralbluee]

it really felt good to me as a woman person that you told these tales from our point of view - cause tales always seem to be from the male point of view. thanks so much. Gee, we did exist in the past as a force. i wonder, if down through the ages, many a woman’s tale was forgotten or turned towards the man being the hero, even the dumb ones! :) witches are usually evil, too. ls this because of the catholic infusion of thought that women are the “evil” ones, who entice the, i suppose, “good”men!!? because, pagans didn’t seem to have that bias, although maidens were always the ones to be sacrificed to the gods, (like the maiden sacrificed to Pelee in Hawaii, or the Maid of the Mist to the great Falls - Niagara Falls!!) i can’t believe all the tales started out with only “good and compliant” women - i mean there were the Viking women, or the warrior woman in Britain who led her people. thanks for your whole series. it is so great to be able to learn things one is so interested in, for free on YT because of people like you. (i really can’t afford the history or audiobook ones. 🤷🏻‍♀️) so thanks again. :) n.b. i love your background shelves, which always seem to rearrange themselves 😋🧚🏻‍♂️🧝‍♀️🌷🌱

[@jmarsh5485]

Are there any myths that make use of the animals carved at Gobekli Tepe, for example 10,000 odd years later I recognise Odin had two crows from what I gather but instead are there older versions of myths that feature these animals prominently, even specifically. Perhaps the location of animals at the site and animals in the myths can establish importance hierarchies that could be useful to correlate in my laymens opinion, if so that'd be a cool video. Ps really enjoying the videos

[@Crecganford]

Hi, so the animals are now thought to represent stars/constellations and so there are very old myths about these, and about Odin's animals too which you can get a taste of in my Who was Woden video. I'll do videos on the constellations at some point. Maybe in a month or two, when time allows :)

[@oghuzkhan5117]

Who was Oden Prof. Sven Lagerbring (The Father of Swedish Historiography) - wrote in his book: "Our ancestors are Turks who are comrades of Oden. We have got enough evidence on this subject. There are people who want to fool you into thinking they are Goths. I don't care whether it will be discrediting for me or not. Oden and his comrades were Turks. . The Swedish linguist Strahlenberg and Eastern languages expert Prof. Munthe supports Prof. Sven Lagerbring on his proof about this discovery. . Thur Heyerdahl's theory is that the supreme Norse god Oden was a real person, a Turkic shaman leader from the land of Aesir (The land of fire), situated according to Heyerdahl in nowadays Azerbaijan. He also pointed out similarities between Norse runic and Gokturk (Orkhon)@t is also known that the word GOD is derived from the word ÁED (the mythological Irish God) which means "fire" in ancient Irish (and Turkic and probably in the language Scythians used too) . John Macpherson in his detailed work devoted to Scots mentioned the fact of early migration of tribes from the Caspian Sea: “The first race of Asiatics, in the progress of their migrations, were naturally separated by the Caspian Sea; some directing their course to Tartary, and others to Asia Minor. Of the Tartar race are descended the Scandinavians, under which name I compared the Danes, Swedes, western Russians, and Poles: the Celts of Gaul, Italy, and Spain, were a colony from the lesser Asia. . Hebrew, Christian and Muslim sources unanimously accepted that Turks are descendants of Japhet, one of the son of Noah. Mahmud al-Kashgari wrote that: “Turks have 20 branches. The race of each reaches Prophet Noah’s son Japhet, his son Turk”. Written sources, archeological and ground monuments indicate territory of Azerbaijan as a place where Prophet Noah lived. Indisputable and basic evidence is a tomb of Prophet Noah in Nakhchivan (Azerbaijan). . Ptolemy mentioned that Noah lived and died in NakhchivanPezron, an abbot of La Charmoye in France wrote: “Japhet was the eldest of Noah’s three sons. This patriarch’s eldest son was Gomer, the founder of a people, and who they could be but the Gomarians, from whom, according to Josephus, the Celtae or Gauls descended.

[@QuantumPK]

The Scorpion and the Fox/Jackal i think are both represented on the pillars, there's a great Tale/Fable about them crossing a fast moving current, is just one example. I think that the stars/ constellations thing is relevant, but before we started looking up into the skies we probably observed the animals for a lot longer and as we tend to do we gave them human characteristic attributes, once these had been fully established they were then probably transposed into the Stars and Constellations.

[@jmarsh5485]

@@Crecganford interesting... thanks and I certainly will. Apologies, I hadn't seen this message, having recently turned on my notifications and thanks to another commenter on the thread haha. And wow, I need to reread my writing before hitting send, I had trouble understanding myself!

[@jmarsh5485]

@@QuantumPK Thanks. I agree, our animal knowledge surely would have been "imprinted" /transposed to a place of wonder, similarly in the way we see faces in the clouds or toast! I must look into Animalism or Animal religion or whatever it's called as I remember hearing how animals featured heavily in earlier epistemologies. Hopefully Crecganford Jon will do a video or I'll find one in his library... haha!

[@semesntes]

Good job man, great script. Keep it up! If i may suggest something. Maybe use some images? Cheers!

[@Crecganford]

Yes, I have always wondered if that would help. So ill give that a go in my next video. Thank you

[@tbear8839]

Very interesting. I’m not sure I buy the fantasy aspect of B&B. It was my favorite Disney movie as a kid but not because of the beast/prince…. The LIBRARY was what I wanted 😂

[@Crecganford]

Yes! I would love a library like that, that is my dream!

[@vitorafmonteiro]

Hey I know it is an old video but haven't watched this channel for that long. I wanted to watch this and your other oldest folk/fairy tales videos to the end to know if by any chance you mentioned Joseph Jacobs "The Europa Fairy Book". Since you didn't, thought I should mention it since it was an attempt by him to make a sort of speculative reconstruction of the earliest pan-European versions of some tales common across Europe. It is not a fully scientific experiment since it is not reconstructing the proto-Indo-European or pre-proto-Indo-European ones but making possible older versions of tales common across Indo-European, Ugro-Finnic and etc. groups. Still thought it could be of interest to read for you if you haven't Jon (it is very easy to find online).

[@Crecganford]

Thank you for sharing that, there is also another book called "Folktales in the Indo-European Tradition" by Imperium Press, which is similar.

[@vitorafmonteiro]

@@Crecganford Never heard of it, thanks for the suggestion.

[@Arational]

In America, Rumplestiltzkin's name starts with a T.

[@feralbluee]

Good one!!!!! ROTFL 🤣😋

[@valoriel4464]

Is the history of Halloween something you might cover? Thx for all you do

[@Crecganford]

I’ve thought about this as I have never seen a good and honest video about it. I’ll put that on the list, if I start on it in August it should be ready for Halloween. Thank you for watching and the idea.

[@honeyvitagliano3227]

💞🙏🏻

[@danielnosuke]

Not sure about some of these interpretations. Japan has a number of similar stories to these that don't seem to fit with the way they are told in Europe. "Rescued by Sister" seems like Bluebeard plus the typical don't break the taboo of going into the room or seeing the person at a time that is forbidden. In that case, the moral being don't be too curious or doubtful or distrustful for your own good. Accept the good fortune you have and don't press it.

[@Juliet_Capulet]

This was so cool!

[@Crecganford]

Thank you so much

[@luciabaschirotto429]

Both in the tale "Rescued by sister" and in the story of Scheherazade of One thousand and one nights a woman has to save her life from a man who killed his previous wives. Also, the younger sister of Scheherazade suggest her the way to save her life. Is it possible that the two stories have a common source?

[@waynefisher9847]

Maybe the beauty and the beast story has something to do with the Koryos and the taming of the wild man to a protector. And wasn't really spread orally but realistically as the young men of the Koryos off in the wild and raiding towns a villages

[@maddyg3208]

I'm a billionaire with a surgical theatre on my pirate ship

[@Crecganford]

Haha!

[@Warhammer_Rob]

We have a children's book called "oh Jack" and it is the lazy boy story. Had no idea hold old the story was.

[@Crecganford]

It seems like Jack was a popular boy in stories... he was nimble, quick, and killed the last of the sky giants... quite a legend.

[@kimwarburton8490]

My interpretation of beauty and the beast goes is that is the village guy is a rakish handsome badboy archetype n that beast is a gruff ugly (old) loner with a good heart. It is a story to encourage women to look deeper than shallow attributes in their husbands imo. Especially during times of arranged marriages, where the bride may not get her first (lustful) choice, but that of her parents', which can slowly overtime build into true nurturing, caring protective family love vrs shallow short-lived flattery/lust-based love.

[@2Cerealbox]

I wonder how much of that view is influenced by the Disney movie.

[@wendyhowell9276]

Dr Clarissa Pinkola Estes has an interesting take on Bluebeard, and there are other Jungians who have interpreted Beauty and the Beast. I am curious how well these interpretations hold up, as I can much better relate to these messages such as Bluebeard is a predator archetype, and Beauty and the Beast speaks to a woman coming to terms with her inner wildness. Also Southwest Gothic has a great retelling of the death story with a Picaro, a trickster who encounters Saint Death.

[@Crecganford]

Thank you for sharing, I do like a good discussion about these things, and their underlying meaning.

[@eliwahuhi]

Would love to see your tattoo!

[@Crecganford]

Which one?

[@eliwahuhi]

@@Crecganford The chest one. 😃

[@teleriferchnyfain]

I have argued strenuously online (I realize often a fruitless effort 😂) that Beauty & the Beast is an ancient tale - so many pseudo- intellectuals think that story originated with the published one from the 1700s 😒😔

[@ximono]

I'll be a pirate then. Women love Johnny Depp.

[@DylanTheMattressMan]

I think you need to do that again - with softer lighting maybe by a fire - welcome to Creganory and if you are sitting comfortably I’ll begin Do it……. for the children

[@Crecganford]

This is a plan, maybe next year or the year after, I intend to travel the world telling these stores.

[@DylanTheMattressMan]

@@Crecganford Noo my 8 year old wants to hear them now - she liked the Lion Man How about we set up a gig you could record with an audience

[@markord6467]

The recurrent 'fall in love, marry and live happily ever after' theme seems significant as a form of social conditioning in so far as monogamy is not a natural/instinctive state for humans.

[@Crecganford]

Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the sexes also had preferences for story types, and that provided influence on some of these stories. Much as it does in today's society.

[@Istoria-Movy]

I wonder if some parallels can be found linking those ancient plots and Jung's archetypes.

[@soL.33]

All this Indo European talk and not one mention in any of your videos of Armenia.... Armenia is the land of Ararat.. Ararat is Urartu or Ur/Ar... Ar is the ancient Armenian sky god.. The oldest Stonehenge in the world is in Armenia.. Its called Kara-hunje.. 4000 years before the famous Stonehenge.. Kara mean Rock and hunje meaning mound... The Sumerians even wrote about the land they done from name Arrata... Like Mt, Ararat.. Armenias Nation Symbol since time it self... Armenia was also a very powerful kingdom in those days.. The Armenian Kingdoms or Urartu, Van, and Cilicia... Maybe cover the history of Armenia.. Its agressivly suppressed after the 1915 genocide of Armenians by the Ottoman which resulted in the lose of 90% of there land and destructions of there history and people... 1.5 million Armenians slaughtered and sent to death marches through the Syrian desserts...

[@Crecganford]

I will get there, and admit I've spent a lot of time on the European aspect as that is where most of my qualifications focus. But am currently writing a ideas on videos covering the near East including Armenia. There is only one of me, and I do this in my spare time, so please be patient :)

[@rachel_Cochran]

And surgeons... lol These women are not nurses and have not ever interacted with a surgeon when he's not trying to be falsely pleasant in a patient room

[@Tymbus]

How gutted must a bunch of Google nerds have felt when they discovered women want beasts not geeks. But seriously, the story of Beauty and the beast could be interpreted differently eg men can only find their true self through the love of a woman. Rumplestiltskin share with other stories the motif of being required to give up your child in payment for meeting the demands of a powerful figure - a bit like 2be careful what you wish for as it comes at a high cost. Women's ability to give birth is placed as having a higher value than wealth or other gifts.

[@Crecganford]

It certainly was seen as almost magical, and very important for those in power as blood and heirs were essential to keep a strong “kingship” within the people.

[@Tymbus]

@@Crecganford Thanks for the reply. The story that really fascinates me is the story of the three women with the eggs. Women and eggs are signs of fertility and the potential for new life. You didn't describe what the first women saw, but the third woman saw the previous two dead. Maybe the previous women saw other victims and their own fate. I would associate the door with a confrontation with destiny and death. The key and door also tend to symbolise sex - In France a climax in sex (if not of stories) is called the "little death". So one freeform interpretation of the story is; women's lot is to be barers of children who will live beyond them. Only the last woman, has the bravery to confront her invitable death yet, through sexual reproduction, confront her complementary destiny to bare children who will go on to live beyond her. Ha! Case cracked!

[@popeyethepirate5473]

Good thing I'm a pirate

[@Crecganford]

Arrrrr!

[@oghuzkhan5117]

Who was Oden Prof. Sven Lagerbring (The Father of Swedish Historiography) - wrote in his book: "Our ancestors are Turks who are comrades of Oden. We have got enough evidence on this subject. There are people who want to fool you into thinking they are Goths. I don't care whether it will be discrediting for me or not. Oden and his comrades were Turks. . The Swedish linguist Strahlenberg and Eastern languages expert Prof. Munthe supports Prof. Sven Lagerbring on his proof about this discovery. . Thur Heyerdahl's theory is that the supreme Norse god Oden was a real person, a Turkic shaman leader from the land of Aesir (The land of fire), situated according to Heyerdahl in nowadays Azerbaijan. He also pointed out similarities between Norse runic and Gokturk (Orkhon)@t is also known that the word GOD is derived from the word ÁED (the mythological Irish God) which means "fire" in ancient Irish (and Turkic and probably in the language Scythians used too) . John Macpherson in his detailed work devoted to Scots mentioned the fact of early migration of tribes from the Caspian Sea: “The first race of Asiatics, in the progress of their migrations, were naturally separated by the Caspian Sea; some directing their course to Tartary, and others to Asia Minor. Of the Tartar race are descended the Scandinavians, under which name I compared the Danes, Swedes, western Russians, and Poles: the Celts of Gaul, Italy, and Spain, were a colony from the lesser Asia. . Hebrew, Christian and Muslim sources unanimously accepted that Turks are descendants of Japhet, one of the son of Noah. Mahmud al-Kashgari wrote that: “Turks have 20 branches. The race of each reaches Prophet Noah’s son Japhet, his son Turk”. Written sources, archeological and ground monuments indicate territory of Azerbaijan as a place where Prophet Noah lived. Indisputable and basic evidence is a tomb of Prophet Noah in Nakhchivan (Azerbaijan). . Ptolemy mentioned that Noah lived and died in NakhchivanPezron, an abbot of La Charmoye in France wrote: “Japhet was the eldest of Noah’s three sons. This patriarch’s eldest son was Gomer, the founder of a people, and who they could be but the Gomarians, from whom, according to Josephus, the Celtae or Gauls descended.

[@Crecganford]

I tackle some of this in other videos, but Odin is a character that was millenia in the making, much like Woden, and both these sources would have stemmed from the Proto-Indo Europeans, and so probably had Early European Farmer influence, and so to me probably wasn't an historical person, but there is no doubt that individuals may have shaped his character, and so together you could link this to what you say. But Odin in that form is far older than the biblical sources, by at least 4,000 years. So whilst there maybe elements of truth, to be sure about all you say as being historically accurate would be exceptionally challenging. And probably would take a books worth of academic literature to even get close to proving.

[@obiwahndagobah9543]

I'm sorry to interrupt your fantasy about Turks being at the center of everything. The authors you quote had fringe theories that were disproven a long time ago. The history tales of the Christian writers Ptolemy and Josephus are completely made up, just to fit everything in their religious view of how the world came to be.

[@carlapowell4864]

Why are you concentrating on stories that are known to the world today, instead of the older ones that aren’t so well known today?

[@Crecganford]

I try and understand the sources of stories, and cover those known today and those that are not. In fact my next video will contain a myth that probably hasn't been told in over 20,000 years.

[@timdecleire1792]

Completely irrelevant..... BUUUUT, I wonder, what IS your favorite kind of cup of tea? I mean, what's your favorite tea? 🤣🤣🤣

[@Crecganford]

Twinnings English Strong Breakfast Tea is the goto tea bag of choice, but a general taste of black/assam tea suits me.