Prune & Train Young Climbing Roses

Establishing a young climbing rose can be a bit intimidating. I generally recommend a light touch for the first couple of years, allowing the new climber to put on some vigorous growth, then reining it in with some well-planned thinning and training. Here I tackle 3 young roses: 'Eden' with thick, stiff canes, 'A Shropshire Lad' an Austin rose with medium firm canes, and 'Strawberry Hill' another Austin which so far has sent thin pliable canes.
There's obvious not just one single way to approach this training, and even as I watch the footage in review I'm like "maybe I should have put more of a bend into that" or "I could have thinned a bit more on that one". That's okay - it's really a pretty forgiving process, and you really don't want to be paralyzed by trying to get it exactly right. That said, if anyone else want to chime in with their own suggestions, I'm quite receptive to hear your approach.
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[@CC-df3xy]

I really appreciate the way how you explain. The caring, cutting of roses. Love watching your videos and looking at your nursery of roses is awesome! Thank you very much!🤗❤️

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks for the encouragement!

[@CC-df3xy]

@Fraser Valley Rose Farm you're very welcome and thank you for your hard work on roses and videos ❤️

[@dennistaft7868]

This past weekend my wife Ann and I went to a local orchard for a class on pruning fruit trees. Saidly I had already learned more from youtube. They didn't take the time to explain why they cut each stem the way you just did. They explained what they were trying to achieve but not why they chose what to cut. That is why you are such a good teacher. You explain thanks so that we can understand what you are teaching. Thank you Jason.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I'm glad you found it useful Dennis - I was a little concerned with how long it went, but then I also figured that those who were needing the confidence would appreciate the talk-through.

[@dennistaft7868]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I don't think your veiwers are concerned with length, they come for content.

[@Goot253]

I second your thoughts! Jason not only shares knowledge but has the gift of "teaching!"

[@tw8319]

I echo the many thank you comments from other viewers. I want to express my deepest thanks for what I consider (and other researchers in science) the most reliable and valid kind of information you present…. the empirically supported information, because it goes beyond any personal preferences of the viewer/presenter online and just gives the facts…. I like that. I’m so tired of having to be so skeptical about information on the internet. Thank you for giving us some respite.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Aww, you're making me blush. Thanks for the support!

[@leadoucet1432]

I concur. Finally, I understand so much and am looking forward to finding a climber for our trellis.

[@alankritakaushal]

I love the logical explanation in these videos. I implemented your horizontal training techniques from the last pruning video and have found excellent results in new shoot sprouting. I will be looking forward to a video on how to prevent splits and injuries to the stems due the weight of the flowers.

[@laurelechavarria7006]

Very helpful! I would love to see you do one on very established climbers, as well, because that’s what I inherited here at the home we bought 23 yrs ago.

[@ashleyhamilton8476]

Same! I have a 50yrs plus rose that is a climber that needs pruning desperately, but I'm afraid to kill it.

[@surfit.]

Yep, that's what I did with my rose, bend it and a lot of branches shot out. I'm the one my rose vine is now more like a tree. So many branches. I use the giant clippers to cut the vines. See if you can do a follow up on how the roses are growing.

[@diintheuk4425]

Love love love this video🎉❤❤🎉 It's clear and easy to understand. I love that you gave us three different examples and also explained why some canes are removed while others are left. Jason thank you so much for the great work! Jason could you also share how to train climbers across trellis/arbor videos like this in the future? I know the basics but it always seems really complicated and technical. Looking forward to more videos from you 😊😊😊

[@susanmackey8514]

Your videos are so helpful and so to the point. Love it! Thank you!

[@paulinecrispin121]

Hi Jason. Love the idea of choosing 'winners and loosers.' As I find it so tempting to try and keep all the stems if they are not diseased or damaged etc. Many thanks for the way you explain the process. 😊

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Pauline.

[@lisau9965]

Thanks for the video. Hoping to see more videos like this from you. I just purchased 10 climbing roses and hoping I can manage them all.

[@barbararuthsmith2882]

Thanks Jason helped me alot. I find this a hard concept to get right but now I think I have it.

[@pinetreesnflowers101]

Excellent video!! Thank you so much. I feel more confident now to prune my climber

[@InfoSecChic]

I appreciate you showing young climbing roses. Most of the videos I see on training climbers are way past the just planted stage and already have really long canes. While those videos are necessary and useful, I have had difficulty finding videos on what to do with a brand new climbing rose, just planted and beginning its journey onto a trellis. I have 2 climbers I just planted on March 31, 2024. They both have lots of new growth and are almost ready to start being trained onto a trellis for the first time. I've never done this before so THIS video is exactly what I needed to find the information and confidence to move forward. THANK YOU!!

[@laurelsayer7557]

Your explanation and filming was so clear and easy to understand. Brilliant!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks so much Laurel.

[@plantsmanscorner128]

Excellent video Jason…….exactly how I would have done it, but explained about a hundred times better and without any cursing! Hope alls well on the nursery, here in England the industry is having a hard time at the moment, today we have to compete with shops, supermarkets and a huge rise in mail order….I am pleased to be retired, but personally I think mail order is the way to go with a good KZbin or similar presence so folk can see their plants growing and still get to know now the nurseryman…..albeit virtually….it offers so much opportunity if your enthusiastic enough to take it on and patient enough establish yourself. Good luck and best wishes….Malcolm (Plantsmans corner)

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Malcolm. You're right on the money - it's been a complete essential for me to be on KZbin and Facebook, and we're pushing hard into mail order. Our efforts on social media is the equivalent to what nurseries used to have to put into advertising, except that in this case, Google pays me!

[@blueberrypieology3088]

Very good, such a helpful video. Very instructive for example how you showed the difference in cane types. I’ve seen a fair share of pruning videos and this is definitely a better one. Thank you.

[@JennyT101]

This was so helpful! Thank you for sharing!

[@jinglestore9860]

Thank you for your lesson! Very important for beginners like me!

[@nelidascott6917]

Thanks for your wealth of knowledge! This gives me confidence to let go of some of the canes. I always second guess myself if I made the right decision in cutting the younger stems for example 😅

[@nicholletobin]

Very timely video! I'll be pruning an Eden and a Graham Thomas climber for the first time this year. Going to soak in all this info 😊

[@bloomy974]

Thank you for this clear explanation!

[@Rdlock24]

This is a great video, and just what i needed!

[@ryanharvey1098]

Excellent video, as always! Thanks for the tutorial!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

You got it Ryan. Thanks for watching

[@janicemartin1580]

Jason, thank you for this video! Very helpful.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I'm really glad you found it useful Janice

[@gwbuilder5779]

Always useful, especially in the early spring.🤙

[@seedsaverdiane5636]

I’ve always loved receiving roses as a gift but not a fan of growing roses because of the thorns. But since I tend wedding gardens, where I work, roses are needed. I’ve always struggled with the climbing cultivars growing on a arched trellis. Thank you I now have a better instructions on how to tackle them.

[@jaybirdgarden]

Very helpful video. Thank you!

[@Goot253]

Thanks! I've enjoyed learning from you since Covid quarantine days when I chose roses as my new hobby to occupy myself. Your mannerisms are so calming and your obvious knowledge is apparent so I really trust you to build my confidence. I haven't watched you in quite awhile, I've been busy with making a living back into the workforce. I just wanted to say I know "money talks" so I'm sending a very small token of thanks but know that I value these episodes much more than a mere $5, yet that's staying within my budget. Thank you again, have a great day :)

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

That's so encouraging to hear Suze - and we really do appreciate your support.

[@KS-ys8vu]

Thank you for your content.

[@BillsCountrysideAdventures]

Hi, been looking to adding climber to my front door and David Austin in the UK sent me a 15% off, as ordering watching your video and you wouldn't believe me, but only bloody ordered a strawberry hill as you was showing photo of it, unbelievable. I'm like that lol. Love your videos. Thanks from Bill, rural Hertfordshire UK

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks so much Bill!

[@TeresaByington]

Excellent tips!!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks so much Teresa!

[@barbarafarthing9786]

I really appreciate this video. It's the best climbing rose pruning one I have seen. And I have watched many! Thank you Jason. I have a Kiss Me Kate that has huge thick unbendable canes. This year is it's third season. Your advice has helped me plan it's pruning this spring. My climbing New Dawn is in it's third year as well. But it is the flexible cane type that you showed. Showing both types is so helpful.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Barbara

[@hermit20082012]

No offence Barbara because you are innocent but Kiss me Kate is a mere trademark (an adjective with no physical presence) How can an adjective have thick canes Im trying show the confusion around rose names which is all in favor of the trademark holder A great way to identify generic misuse is 1 Trademarks are adjectives and Variety names are nouns 2 Another way to identify generic misuse was given to me by a very astute trademark lawyer He said''remove the trademark from what you are reading or hearing and it still should make sense 3 to make sense the trademark should be connected to the variety name ie above EDEN TM var 'Meiviolin" ie EDEN brand of 'Meiviolin" Sorry to ramble on but I hope many of Jasons readers are interested Cheers Jeff

[@barbarafarthing9786]

@@hermit20082012 Would I have been correct if I had written, Kiss Me Kate Rose?

[@hermit20082012]

@@barbarafarthing9786Thanks for your reply Keep doing what you're doing because it confirms the generic misuse of trademarks Its actually up to the trademark holder to step in and correct misuse but why would they bother .Its all to their advantage when people recognise their trademark and not the actual variety name They then have control of that name indefinitely If the trademark holder was writing about that rose they should write it like this KISS ME KATE TM var 'KORnagelio' Ie KISS ME KATE trademark in capitals followed by R (for registered trademark or TM for simply claimed trademark) followed by variety name Ie KISS ME KATE brand of rose variety 'Kornagelio ' Would you believe that KISS ME KATE has absolutely nothing to do with the name or identity of this rose Mostly Plant Patent and trademark holders will do it all correctly in labels and literature (that they write) until they start talking about it Then they identify the rose simply by the trademark Also Rose Retailers. plant societies, TV garden shows , books, etc all will identify the rose as 'Kiss Me Kate' Could you imagine a gardening show(or anyone) talk about this rose like this Kornagelio has amazing perfume and has thick unbendable canes In all fairness could you imagine jason putting up a sign in his nursery Kornagelio for sale ..No People would wonder what on earth they were talking about Its one gigantic farce with no repercussions One isolated example is Iceberg It started as a so called trademark for var 'Korbin' but it was heavily misused (genericised) and became an alternative variety name(synonym)

[@alligator_pie]

So helpful and informative, as always. I’d love to see you revisit these same roses in 3-4 months, if the gardener permits. My John Davis Rose produces so many canes and blooms prolifically. The canes are stiff but I might try to train it vertically on a pillar before it mauls the postman passing by 😂. You’ve given me some courage to try it out.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks - that's a possibility. The gardener is quite nearby, and we'd just have to see if the timing would work.

[@alligator_pie]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I thought the mountain backdrop looked familiar!

[@leiaflash5055]

Perfect timing on this video as I have to prune mine soon (unless the rabbits do it again for me this year)!!! Thanks Jason 😃😃😃

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

They're thorough but not delicate in their work!

[@leiaflash5055]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm LOL - that is for sure!

[@tinaknutsen]

Hi Jason; Just saying hello and let you know I rewatched a lot of your videos either because I’m forgetful or I just enjoy drooling over your pretty roses…but my husband says I don’t need any more plants😂 so I have tried following your propagation videos on roses I failed. I haven’t had any problems propagating lilacs, hydrangeas or rhododendrons but roses I’m going to give another try! Thanks for all your inspiration!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Tina!

[@tinaknutsen]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm You’re welcome!

[@Rina-rs6up]

Would be nice to see these when blooming .like a before and after ❤

[@suzetteccc]

Thanks for this Jason. I'm finally getting the rose I want for my archway - Zephirine Drohin - and so I suppose that since it will be a new one, I'll just make sure there is nothing going in the opposite direction and leave the rest to get established. This video was perfect timing. I have seen the other video, but I'll take another look to see how to train them horizontally to get blooms.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Suzette. A light touch is a good approach until you see vigorous growth. Best luck!

[@Goot253]

@Suzette I never heard of Zephirine Drohin so I was curious when you mentioned it. OMG, this sounds like the perfect rose choice for my garden arch with NO THORNS to hurt the grandkids! Great choice, I'm so glad you brought it up :)

[@suzetteccc]

@@Goot253 I know! Mine has bloomed now and it's gorgeous. It does have a bit of white fuzz on some leaves so I'm just clipping them off and spraying with a 3 in 1 product. So far so good. No thorns!

[@suzetteccc]

@@Goot253 I've had mine for a month and it is covered in black spot. I've learned that it does not affect the plant's production and growth, so I will try the remedies recommended by Fraser Valley Rose Farm ( on KZbin) Apparently it is not disease resistant.😔

[@Goot253]

@@suzetteccc awww that's disappointing but I still think your instincts were right to find something in the rose family that is thornless where persons will actually pass under it. I'm convinced I want this, just picked out and ordered an arch with trellis. That's it for my yearly garden budget! So the plan is to get my arch situated and I will add the roses next year. Let me know if you decide these were a mistake, I'm willing to keep them sprayed to keep disease at bay. Thanks for communicating with me :)))

[@vickiesecary7939]

Thank you, Jason! Very helpful video! I have a few climbing roses in my garden and I’m always hesitant to really get in there and prune for fear I’ll kill the plant. This year they’ll be pruned, right! Great video!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Great Vickie - your roses will thank you for it..

[@bedstuyrover]

my Eden climber is highly prone to black spot. good pruning lesson.

[@alisonwebster6694]

It would be interesting if you went back to the archway in the future to show the results of your pruning. Best wishes Alison

[@perrywhitledge4005]

Did she come out and say “ where did my roses go “?? 😂😂😂. With the cold snap we had here in AL. I did a lot of what you did just to get the dead out of mine. Great video!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Lol. She was pretty nearby, so I just paused every now and again to make she she wasn't hyperventilating. She was chill, so I kept going!

[@lindataylor7718]

I watch a lot of gardening videos and I’ve learned a lot. Your videos are absolutely the best. Super informative. Fortuitously I live within driving distance and will be coming by to get a couple of climbing roses. And anything else that catches my eye of course! When is the best/earliest time for this?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks so much Linda. It depends what you want to see - it's still a bit muddy/cool here now, but our assortment of bare-root (potted) roses from other suppliers will peak in mid to late April. Mid June is peak flowering, and we'll probably have a few more own-root roses ready by then.

[@nolagirl7082]

“ there are winners, and there are losers”😂🌹

[@plabebob]

Hello from Shropshire! Funny to hear you mention the name of the place I'm in 😊

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Lol. Yes, Mr. Austin did a great job of memorializing Shropshire in the names of several of his roses.

[@ericalelle1080]

New subscriber here! I’m reviving an old flower bed for planting next Spring. I bought a 36” Amish wagon wheel with the idea of miniature climbing roses on it. I think a regular rose bush would be too large? Can’t wait to see how my project turns out. Thanks for the info.🌹

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Nice. Great project.

[@Flower_hoarder]

🎋🌹SO HELPFUL 🌹🎋

[@Adamhitt]

Thank you so much Jason! I just planted four climbing roses (Claire Austin, Lady of Shallot, Don Juan, and Dublin Bay). They all came in three gallon containers and are all pretty small still. Should I prune them in the summer or wait for the Spring? I appreciate it!

[@bradcarby3765]

The thing about pruning any plant is fear. You can't really be wrong, unless you kill the plant. What you can be is less right. I encourage everyone to take five minutes to look at a plant and imagine what they want it to be in the future. If it doesn't work out, you can always adjust next season. We see less entanglement as better in the long run and pruning inside growth for air flow is always helpful for strong growth and disease resistance. I love that Jason showed that decisions aren't always clear. It's not an exact science. He should probably get himself some battery pruners though. Take care Bud. Great Video.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Brad - good points!

[@paulavagi9216]

Excellent video. Love watching your videos. Should I be leaving at least 4 or 5 main stems?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hi Paula - more or less. I don't stress it if there's only 4 and I take out the oldest/weakest one. I also wouldn't complain if I were working on a larger crown, took out 4 major stems, but still had 6 or 7 nice ones remaining. The goal is to leave a good amount of space between, and also to remove at least one of the oldest on an established rose to encourage rejuvenation.

[@dorothybell1]

Thank you! Will you visit this place in the future and show us the end product?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

You're most welcome Dorothy. I'll see what I can do - the customer is only minutes away, so if we can figure out the timing it shouldn't be a problem.

[@hoosiered471]

Very informative video. Thanks!!! What about the "looping" option when it comes to "climbers?" ...in order to initiate more lateral growth???

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Like pegging them down, or just training horizontally as shown?

[@hoosiered471]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm pegging

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks. I should definitely look for a chance to demonstrate the technique.

[@ralucaiosifescu1502]

Hey there ! Thank you for taking time to explain and share valuable content ! I have a maybe silly question... Is there a right way to prune a climbing rose into a bush ? I managed to do this with a few Eden roses (I just planted them in the wrong spot for a climber), but they bloom a lot from the secondary shoots, and it seems that keeping them a bush was somewhat a success. But I tried to do the same with a Peach Melba rose... and it failed completely. Absolutely no blooms this year, all the secondary shoots just did nothing for me. Is there anything I can do - besides letting them climb something or move them ? :) Cheers, and many thanks !

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

The growing and blooming habits of climbers vary quite a lot - thicker or thinner canes, and the productivity of newer vs. older canes. When you find out be experience (as you have) that a rose doesn't love such a hard cut-back, you then get to decide whether you'll conform your gardening to its preferences ;-)

[@ColliCristina]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and pruning skills with us Jason. I have a question for you, if you have time, about a Stanwell Perpetual rose in its second year. I'd like to train it on a short trellis, but it's so full of twiggy growth I don't know where to start with the pruning, and how much I should take away. Would you have any advice please?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hi Cristina. It's one of those questions that's pretty difficult to answer except by example - which is what I've tried to do here. You definitely should begin by taking out any the damaged and congested stems, aiming for some of the oldest, crustiest and twiggiest growth. There's no perfect rule of thumb about how much (%) you can remove, and it really depends on how vigorously the plant is growing. If it has been slow to establish and send vigorous shoots, a little lighter (maybe 25% of oldest stems) but if it's already pushing lots of growth maybe up to about 50% of the oldest.

[@ColliCristina]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you Jason, that's very helpful. We had a very hot, dry summer last year and this rose hasn't grown much, so I'll prune 25% of the oldest stems.

[@clivesconundrumgarden]

Excellent Jason !! Im totally new at all this. Is there a difference between a Rambling and Climbing Rose, when it comes to pruning? Btw thanks for the Bokashi video, weve had great success with it !! Cheers 🌱👍

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

My pleasure. Many ramblers are one-time bloomers (a single flush in spring or early summer) and bloom on old wood. The do better a light thinning *after* blooming, otherwise you'll sacrifice blooms. Repeat-flowering climbers can be pruned right now or later according to your own preference.

[@clivesconundrumgarden]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm ok perfect!! Thanks again !!

[@stephaniemitchell4050]

This video is super helpful! What time of year are you making these cuts?

[@Lorenaldzma90]

Thank you soo much!!i accidentally ordered climbing roses. I have no idea these existed. I wish had read read the description better. Now i don’t what im going to do because i put the right in the middle of my garden. Im brand new to gardening. Heres to i wont mess it up. One quick question what happens if i cant get any support? What can i do? Can i move them? Will i kill them moving them? I just get them a month ago. Hope you see my comment!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Moving them is fine, either now or later. Other options - depending on the vigor and firmness of the stems, some can be maintained in the form of a freestanding shrub. I cut and thin Westerland down to 3ft annually, and it makes for quite a nice 6-7ft shrub in effect. Also, you might consider an obelisk or other freestanding upright support, again depending on what works for your style of garden.

[@benmishkin1491]

Thanks for the example! When pruning climbers is it better to err on the side of taking too much out or too little, and is that judgement dependent on the maturity of the rose you're pruning?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Until you see some signs of vigor, it's better to err on the side of taking too little. I was satisfied that both 'A Shropshire Lad' and 'Eden' in this video were well into the vigorously established phase, so I went a little heavier. On 'Strawberry Hill' I wasn't nearly as aggressive, because overall it was quite a bit smaller.

[@elaineyakatan2310]

Hi Jason! Fabulous advice. Where are your rose gloves!!! I live by mine!!!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Elaine. If I'm settling in for a long pruning session I'll probably put on my leather gloves, but they're bulky enough that they make handling the camera & mic pretty awkward, and TBH I just feel my hands are quicker without.

[@marthabourassa7909]

If you’ve covered this in other videos, I apologize for missing it. Nevertheless, I always thought you should not let branches crisscross each other because they can wound the plant. My question is this: When training roses to grow on an arbor, how do you accomplish the “S” pattern without creating crossed stems thereby risking damage to the plant? 🌹💚

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Martha. Just with careful spacing on the 3rd dimension - by which I mean: even though I plan the wall or trellis as a 2d object, there's height, width and depth. When they pass each other, I try to secure them so that there's a few inches of space between them front-to-back.

[@marthabourassa7909]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm - THANK YOU!!!

[@melissamitchell8070]

Would you recommend applying any kind of substance, i.e., glue to the cut you made that removed the split cane? I have some freeze damaged laterals on my Don Juan climber that I need to remove. Thanks! Great video!!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hi Melissa. No, I don't use any pruning sealer.

[@melissamitchell8070]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thanks Jason!!

[@lukerobson4962]

I really like the Lady Banks rose. Do you have any other recommendations, that bloom as prolifically as have nice clusters?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

She's a hard one to show up, but maybe have a look at Cecile Brunner, Baltimore Belle or Leontine Gervais

[@lukerobson4962]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thanks for the recommendations. I will have to check them out.

[@Sherri-kk9pw]

I have a new Strawberry Hill climbing rose and plan to train it on an obelisk which is 18”x18”. Would it be better to plant the rose inside pulling the canes through the lattice and securing them in an “S” pattern around the outside of the obelisk or planting it outside the fixture.

[@laurakrukowski3923]

Thank you for this--should you not weave the laterals through the gaps in the fence / lattice? Are you saying the canes should be trained flush on the fence? Thank you!!!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Weaving can create some pruning issues later, so I do prefer to train to the front of the surface and secure on with ties

[@laurakrukowski3923]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm excellent thank you!!! I love your videos!!

[@beiderbecke1927]

Can laterals be trained horizontally on an arbor to then produce more flowering laterals? It appeared to me that you were training growth off main canes to grow horizontally. I planted a John Cabot climber on an arbor in May of 2022, and the canes are monsters. Should I train the long laterals horizontally onto the arbor? I'm in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Your videos are a huge help!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

The distinction between main canes and laterals (and treating them differently) is pretty arbitrary. A thick healthy lateral can be treated the same as something that comes straight from the ground.

[@beiderbecke1927]

Thanks so much! This has been stressing me out, since I want to get the plants in good shape closer to spring, and there are some nice laterals to work with.@@FraserValleyRoseFarm

[@hermit20082012]

Hi Jason Some more comments about the trademark farce on roses I had a quick look at the video and picked up 2 so called ''names'' of Roses I think 'Constance Spry' was David Austins first rose before they started playing the trademark game. From what i found its actually a true variety name and not a claimed trademark like their later releases So anyone can propagate this rose and sell it as 'Constance Spry' But the next rose is called Eden . I wonder how many of your readers out there recognise this as the identity ie Variety Name or a trademark Well its a trademark and not the actual identity of the rose Trademark holders are meant to police this ''misuse'' but of course they want people to identify the rose by the generically used trademark because they claim that word indefinitely (no one else can use it unless they challenge it at great expense) Eden is actually a mere trademark for the rose variety 'Meiviolin' Many others would know this rose by the highly genericised and therefore invalid trademark Pierre de Ronsard

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks Jeff. It seems like a dirty strategy, but it sure keeps them collecting royalties.

[@hermit20082012]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank Jason I dont blame the majority of people for not responding or commenting on what looks like technical issues that they find hard to understand The important thing is to try to make people appreciate how much more they are paying for their roses because of trickery and deception (Through no fault of the wholesale growers and Retailers) A lovely old lady sells roses at local markets She sells one batch at $25 and others at $33 She got so tired of people complaining about the difference that she put a sign in front of the $33 dollar roses that read something like MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THEY ARE PROTECTED PBR (Plant Breeder Rights) Roses I checked all the labels and found that NONE of them were protected They achieved exclusivity through the following 1 False Claims of Plant Breeders Rights 2 False Claims of Australian Patent 3 False Claims of Propagation Prohibited 4 False Claims of Registered Trademarks 5 Generic misuse of trademarks 6 False Claims of these roses are protected by intellectual property rights 7 False Claims of LICENCE Illegal propagation of this product is prohibited without a licence and more All this fraud has no consequence unless small businesses take expensive and traumatic legal action . This week I watched the movie DARK WATERS What an inspirational and eye opening film ....please watch it.....its heavy duty but it will blow you away It shows how incredibly hard it is for small business to get justice over Big Corporations and how government doesnt help The Lawyer who took on Dupont Chemical Co is an absolute hero Watch it and you will be absolutely stunned at the determination over such a long period before he gets justice. On a far lesser scale I am going through the same thing I could see so many parallels when I watched the movie Also the actors in the movie are A grade and I know im biased but I think it should have been MOVIE of THE YEAR Regards Jeff

[@hipdoesstuff3701]

Really helpful! Thanks. What month did you do this?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks. It was March

[@hipdoesstuff3701]

Thank you! Would it be best to leave all pruning like this until spring?

[@tarlanatayev4899]

Jason, i have one question. Here in Azerbaijan there is a rumor that rose plants bred for cut rose doesnt grow in a garden. Is it true? Can i grow cut rosee varieties in a garden? For example Dummen Orange Caraluna rose? Or Kordes Houdini rose. Climat and weather conditions in place i am living similar to New York.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

That's a pretty common concern here too. The cut rose varieties are selected for easy greenhouse culture, and may be untested in the garden. That doesn't mean they'll grow poorly, only that they haven't been bred or selected for that purpose.

[@kantemirovskaya1lightninga30]

in New England (NH) can I train my wild grapes like this??

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Insofar as the thinning of the stems is similar, yes. I've only grown grapes for a couple of years, but it seems to me they require additional pruning during the active season even if you're pretty strict in the spring.

[@Amanda-cn3pk]

Is there anything specific I need to do to prune an unruly Lady banks rose? It just finished blooming. Thanks!

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

No, chop away as needed. Massive ramblers do tend to resent heavy pruning, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

[@richbishop7896]

Last spring I planted an Eden climbing rose that did not put on any new growth. Stayed under 6 inches. Perhaps it was just young and wait or what do you suggest

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Unless you have concerns about the conditions, I'd definitely say wait. Many climbers take a couple or even three years to show vigor. The old saying goes: "First year... sleep. Second year... creep. Third year... leap!"

[@richbishop7896]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I've never had a rose do that before. Hopefully will put some growth on this year. I was wondering if something got at the roots.

[@jkelee9]

Thanks for your video. But did your customer keep that rose in a pot in the ground? That first one you worked on was in a pot in the ground, right? Why keep it in a pot in the ground??

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks. You know, I didn't ask about it specifically because I've done the same thing - and I just assumed the answer. I'll ask the owner next time I see her. The way I figured it was that she'd cut out the bottom of the pot (or more) and had just planted using the rim of the pot as a barrier (gravel on the outside, potting soil on the inside). Sunken or bottomless pots like that can be good for quickly defining the space without impacting the growth of the rose - because it grows right down into the underlying soil.

[@jkelee9]

@Fraser Valley Rose Farm OK, thanks for letting me know about the pots. Some pots may be hard for cutting the bottom out. I'll have to look for thin ones for that.

[@jin8339]

Eden I thought one cannot cut the main stems ? Anyone can answer this question! Thanks 😊 🌹🌹🌹

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

There's no firm rule. A lot of gardeners leave some of the more established stems in place to support more flowering, but if they're not growing in the right directions or you just want to encourage fresh new growth from the base, there's nothing saying you can't take down some of the older canes.

[@jin8339]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Ahhhh...IC ! Thank you for explaining Bec I was confused and good to learn more and never doubted you but just curious for the reasoning and mostly I was told not to unless it is very old cane . Also I heard it stubs the growth or takes forever. Thanks for explaining. 🌹🌹🌹

[@lindathompson8100]

I have an established climbing rose, canes that I have sideways along a fence. Do I cut low the shoots that shot up straight from them?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Yes, those uprights (laterals) can be trimmed to between 6 and 12 inches at the beginning of the season, leaving a couple of nodes in place for flowering.

[@Maggie-Gardener-Maker]

I was curious why that first one you pruned looked like it is still in a pot buried in the ground. Is the bottom out of that container? I don't understand why that would be done. When you first introduced this video I thought the customer was going to be part of the pruning session but I reckon she can just watch the video...LOL.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Thanks. On the container - I assume so. I actually didn't question it, as I've done something similar fairly often just to create a convenient barrier between the planting hole and the lawn (or in this case the surrounding gravel). The gardener was quite nearby for most of the video working on her other shrub roses and such.

[@FireflyOnTheMoon]

Jason, I'm not getting any basal growth from my climbers any more. All the breaks are one metre+ up the plant. Do you know why a rose would swap over from putting on basals to putting on new high canes? Thanks

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I can generalize a bit that older established roses hormonally favor the buds up high (or at least mid-range) and suppress the dormant buds down low. I've seen some upright HT roses exemplify this dramatically, and it really depends on the cultivar. The amount of "encouragement" you'll have to do to overcome the hormones will also be specific to the rose, but basically it means you'd want to increase the severity of thinning and rejuvenating cuts annually until you get the desired balance of established flowering stems and new basal growth. If the climber is pretty set in its ways but otherwise quite healthy and vigorous, it might even take a pretty dramatic pruning down where it looks like there are no active buds at all.

[@FireflyOnTheMoon]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm It's tricky, as the established roses (Crimson Glory and Etoile d'Hollande) are very twisted around an arch and it will be a big job to get out the old canes. But I understand that the way to keep a climbing rose lively is to take out dark. wood canes, so I will have to have a go. They are both vigorous plants and they throw out long canes on top of the arch. Neither repeat very well. .... How many canes would you run along the top of an arch? I've been tying in laterals but I probably have too many. Your thoughts are welcome. Thanks.

[@chisexton5845]

I have an unusual problem. A Don Juan climber with only one main cane - about 1" thick at the base, brown and woody, with green(er) branching further up, in kinda like a tree shape. No blooms. Suggestions for that situation? Thank you.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I'd be tempted to prune fairly low (like within 2ft of the ground) in late winter/early spring to encourage some fresh new, hopefully productive shoots down low

[@gramabuttonsbuttons1020]

My climbers always freeze and die in SE Idaho. They start from the bottom all brand new growth. Is there anyway to protect them in winter so I don’t have to always start over?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I've seen people lay down any pliable canes against the ground and then mound them over with soil or dry evergreen boughs to protect them from wind. With a little snow cover this can work well. If the canes are more stiff and upright it can be difficult to protect them - caging around them to hold dried leaves or wrapping with burlap can be some use to cut down the wind

[@gramabuttonsbuttons1020]

Thank you

[@stefflo6576]

I'm in zone 8 when should I start pruning?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

It's reasonable to start when you see the roses beginning to shoot and other early flowering shrubs around the landscape making themselves known. I'm in zone 8 myself and we've been pruning for a couple of weeks.

[@ummkulthumcarter3025]

How can you identify a climbing rose

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

They'll tell you by their behavior in the garden

[@nataliyaantolich]

Is this climbing rose grow in container and buried in the ground?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

It's a bottomless pot - just to make a barrier to the surrounding gravel.

[@KS-ys8vu]

Can I still prune now? Or is it too late?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

It's not too late. If you already see significant growth on your roses you could also decide to delay pruning until after the first flush of flowers, but it's not a problem either way.

[@KS-ys8vu]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you so much! (I’m new to all of this…)

[@christiekrueger1984]

My climbing roses looks drown. Is it dead?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hi Christie. Brown isn't a good sign. Give the bark a scrape in a few spots and see if it's green tissue under the skin. Depending on how far you are into spring I might hold off a while and look for new shoots at the base.

[@christiekrueger1984]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thank you. We are in north Missouri

[@kristybui35]

Roses are like beautiful ladies with very ugly legs.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Well said!

[@kristybui35]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm I have quite a few of those ugly legs.