PRVN coaches explain Brooke Wells and Saxon Panchik Leaving

Shane Orr and Nic Johnston on changes at PRVN and why they've come about.
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[@jeffcarter5990]

Some of you never watch real professional sports interviews or press conferences and it shows. As much as I’m sure they would love to come on here and trash the athletes that didn’t follow their values and what the coaches asked, they didn’t. They stayed classy and didn’t disrespect anyone. Big W PRVN

[@prvnfitness]

👏👏

[@bbbt8090]

Like Saxon said respectfully, every camp is different, and it's not for everybody. You move on and keep moving forward!

[@clairesemple7997]

I did find this a rather generic, cliched answer. Looking from an outside 'fan' perspective, they (were both) overtrained and suffered an injury which was directly a result from that (as well as a herniation for Saxon). That's red flags right there to athletes, if you're injured at semi-finals then there needs to be a BIG look at how you programme and look after your athletes. Shane saying they didn't know or see...I feel like they are shifting the blame to the athletes I'm becoming less of a fan of these training camps. Look at the results and see who in the top 10 came from camps. A large % are actually loan athletes, who do following programming, but don't go into that hive. Rolfe, Loewen, Simmons; all these athletes excel outside the team camps (not to mention Velner and Fikowski). Training camps aren't the way to go imo.

[@CoffeePodsAndWods]

I think it sounded like the blame was shared rather than all on one side. It’s vague enough to be interpreted in different ways though. I think we’ll have plenty of years to compare camps vs no camps too

[@clairesemple7997]

@@CoffeePodsAndWods totally. Unless one comes out and completely says this or that... it will be as it comes out. For sure, the camps v no-camps will be interesting to watch run out.

[@benjaminklingeman]

@coffeepodsandwods as someone that trained at Saxon failed CrossFit gym I will say this. He was a great dude but him and his brothers were focused on winning, they knew their stuff and I got better. Saxon and Spencer are loyal as they come and to be honest PRVN is cringe. Especially after their social media post about the gym being flooded in California. they’re in it for themselves. They really don’t care about anybody else in the sport and Tias legendary wins overshadow everything. You never got that with Rich Froning because he brought everybody in and then you look at Mat Fraser, he blatantly admitted it that I’m here to win and not make friends and no one second-guess him for that. Why is it that everybody thinks PRVN is the best thing out there after they already s**t on East Nashville Crossfit and then they moved down the road and open up a giant gym that will fail because they don’t give a f**k about.

[@danandrew8242]

Great to see that they didn’t get defensive and took ownership on their end…classy

[@peachstate08]

Its not the athletes' fault its not the trainers fault - Why look to place blame or either? Ppl aren't machines, moving programs is like the grass is greener scenario. If your program is about the person and helping them vs helping your program, one can take the blame out of the equation.

[@arlynbriones8037]

I dont think it has something to do with the trainer I think is more when we wan to compare ourselves to others and we overtrained. Brooke is gréât, but since she was with Bergeron I see as if she doubt herself. why only those two got injured? why not her sister that is new? maybe she listen better?

[@jerrodambris7674]

Sounds like damage control to me..............

[@shannonbyrne8474]

Did he call Brooke a “failure” essentially?

[@RadnaiTamas]

ChampionS... Our culture: we don't want those that already left. Somebody help me with the timeline.

[@CoffeePodsAndWods]

I think there’s some reading between the lines potential here but maybe I’m over analysing it

[@ashanfernando100]

yeah was thinking the same when did a PRVN athlete win a crossfit games ever or even an event ,tia is not part of the camp

[@ianbrewer4843]

​@@ashanfernando100if memory serves Olivia won An event at the 2023 Crossfit games,

[@ashanfernando100]

@@ianbrewer4843 yeah not cause of prvn its cause of jacob his long time coach

[@ianbrewer4843]

@@ashanfernando100 also, Sydney Wells won a semifinals event. It's not a CrossFit games event, but still a win.

[@SevanStick]

‚we made champions over and over again…‘ Tia,… 🧐

[@jeffcarter5990]

Mat

[@SevanStick]

@@jeffcarter5990 no way. That‘s borrowed plumes

[@MarkSallas20]

@@SevanStickyou know what else is borrowed, literally everything Mat did as a “coach” from Shane. The man built a whole business on what Shane taught him lol. It’s a joke. You even watch Mat’s old interviews and he talked about how he does not have a brain for coaching or programming and doesn’t want to do that in the future. Hmmmm

[@SevanStick]

@@MarkSallas20 He had coaches Shane was one (for a very short period) of many.

[@kenwalters5165]

word salad buzz words: culture, accountability, standards, lines in the sand , core values, pillars, champions mind set, conversations hard, things we cant bend on, we start diving in, Great words and sayings but never a specific fact said after any of them to support or express what these actually mean.

[@MarkSallas20]

So what you’re saying is that you came here hoping for juicy drama and shit talking for your daily dopamine hit and all you got was a professional response from professional people… must have been a shock

[@kenwalters5165]

@@MarkSallas20 Nope I watch every episode of Pedros. Im 60 not fazed by drama not worth my time. But when I do watch I would like a little more meat to support their buzz words so a person can get the full picture. Im saying all he said were buzz words and then said nothing after them to support what he means. Our core values. OK what are the core values you want them to have. Have to be a fit for our culture. Ok what is your culture specifics? We have to draw lines in the sand! OK what are those lines.? etc etc etc Speaking in word salads/buzzwords there was absolutely no definitive details . So how you got anything you said from my original response is fascinating. You certainly got offended quick and replied very very unprofessional for someone knowing what "professional" is. CHEERS!!

[@CoffeePodsAndWods]

Yeah I hear you. I felt like I got there reading between the lines like the culture and mindset is doing it all, going “all in” and trusting entirely while communicating fully - is what I took from it because it sounded like the issue was the two athletes they spoke about weren’t lining up somewhere there - but maybe I’m wrong

[@kenwalters5165]

@@CoffeePodsAndWods Hey Pedro I wasnt insinuating you wernt doing a great job. My point was the answers to your questions were always surface level as I described above. Have a great day and keep pumping out awesome and many times hilarious content!!

[@CoffeePodsAndWods]

@@kenwalters5165 I didn’t take it as that at all. Just throwing in my 2cents on it

[@Jluth09]

Seems like a dodged bullet here by PRVN. I’ve never heard anything good about Brooke as a person and Saxon seems to be too soft to train alongside Tia.

[@CoffeePodsAndWods]

I think that could be said about 99.999% of athletes when it comes to Tia 😂

[@christopherdetourbet725]

Some people aren't cut out to train with Tia on a regular basis.

[@bpraise517]

​@christopherdetourbet725 imagine training everyday next to Tia and feeling like you aren't really improving but you actually are...that mental battle can wear on you.

[@delunadenny7084]

Lol Brooke wasn’t getting the attention she wanted. Prvn too classy for her. Glad Sydney has her mind right

[@bpraise517]

I find it very interesting that Sydney makes a leap and Brooke steps backwards. Maybe she / they think since Mal is still out MF will give her 100% attention...UNTIL THE BIG DAWG RETURNS....Sometimes change is good.💪🏾😎🔥 I wish Brooke the Moon.

[@bigease77]

Pretty obvious.. they started a business around one athletes accomplishments. Tia’s. Doesn’t anyone remember how lost and confused Shane was with Tia in the earlier years? He tried to capitalize on her ability and success but the holes in his programming and coaching are now on display for everyone to see. This video is an attempt at damage control for the future. I’d say PRVN is just about done. Wonder why Tia came back so soon? Trying to right a sinking ship.

[@TheSurgeonsRoadie]

A lot of conjecture in this comment. Some camps just don't work for some people. Annie has done very well, but when Katrin joined Annie's camp her performance decreased, similar to Brooke's experience with PRVN. It could have been any number of reasons why, including personal issues unrelated to the camp . This happens in MMA all the time. Fighters change coaches and camps regularly. This is normal. In Crossfit it just feels more personal. I would even go so far as to say there may be a better camp for Mal O'Brien. She may not have burned out if she were with a different camp. As far as Tia goes.. She came back because Tia.. is Tia.

[@abstractgeniuscomments]

Saxon just missed Jesus, some people are just weak that way.

[@elizabethbutler9423]

I understand that the athletes need to make money but Brooke crossed the line for me by selling her sexuality and not her athleticism

[@CoffeePodsAndWods]

If Brooke has crossed the line in your view, you must find instagram a stressful place to be. I wouldn’t have suggested she was crossing a line at all but the line is different for us all I guess

[@elizabethbutler9423]

@@CoffeePodsAndWods I don’t find it stressful. I appreciate your concern though

[@CoffeePodsAndWods]

@@elizabethbutler9423 ✌🏼✌🏼

[@athlEATcoach]

What exactly are you referring to? Her posting photos of herself in a bikini on IG?

[@JC-oj5tz]

Loosing Brooke to the competition is huge loss.

[@christopherdetourbet725]

No it ain't.

[@DH-hz6rv]

Not really

[@DH-hz6rv]

Athletes change training camps many times.

[@tonip561]

How? She's not been a real contender for years.

[@Myluxuryaddiction]

No. She strikes me as consistently a day late and a dollar short.