PS3 Game Discs Running on PS5 Finally!?

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[@doctorsilva1345]

If consoles want to stay relevant for a long time. Backwards compatibility is very important.

[@Mintcar923]

Microsoft vs Sony civil war!

[@reygamerz8041]

@@Mintcar923 Xbox would be screw then if ps5 or ps6 can run ps3 games

[@jacobfistpump]

Won’t be easy

[@Pro1938ftc3ch]

​@@reygamerz8041imagine if PS5 can run ps1-ps5 game disk

[@B33FY2011]

​@@Pro1938ftc3ch PS1 is impossible since the PS5 can't read CD's.

[@DJPurpleOne17]

I want PS2 discs and PS3 discs to play on PS5

[@jacobjgleggy1854]

Same

[@robertharper3114]

Why not do ps1 too

[@42crazyguy]

I want all PlayStation discs to play on PS5

[@DJPurpleOne17]

I didn't think about that... I was in a hurry and I guess I missed it lol but yeah just make the ultimate Playstation already plus CD Playback

[@j.h.2967]

Same here - that would be a dream come true!

[@MysticGargoyle]

I really hope that is true, i got a huge library of PS3 games i would like to play again

[@butterman2409]

If true, not every game will work. It’ll be similar to Xbox backwards, copyright laws with the government still apply. Gotta contact companies and devs for permission since contracts are for PS3. Sadly some devs no longer exist so some ps3 games would be impossible to emulate.

[@MaverickMalone-ex4nm]

Just go buy a PS3 and play them. I have all my consoles and play all my games. You can get a PS3 slim for pretty cheap now. I was using my PS3 all backwards compatible, but I cleaned it, added new thermal pads, paste, and put her back in the box. I use the slim model and they really are awesome!

[@shreksnow1918]

Just emulate with a PC

[@bxgeo5180]

​@@MaverickMalone-ex4nmno

[@bxgeo5180]

​@@MaverickMalone-ex4nmyou think anyone is tech savvy as that. Make the ps5 backwards compatible nuff said

[@rodneymathews6775]

And this the reason why physical media will always be relevant as much as it is needed. Definitely glad that PlayStation has continued to make disk based consoles rather than going full digital.

[@ArtisChronicles]

Both companies will eventually change to digital. They're already showing signs of being interested in doing that

[@rodneymathews6775]

@@ArtisChronicles I really hate to see that because they'll eventually make some changes that may or may not be wanted; or they may just take it out of their digital storefronts all together with little to none given notice. It's already happened with a few titles already. Retro gaming will see a big rise from this if not already.

[@Nonantement]

@@rodneymathews6775Stellar Blade is a good example of why physical release matters.

[@johnnyjones9601]

If this includes both ps2 and ps1, then that would make the PS5 absolutely supreme as a console.

[@awesomecat3345]

PS1 probably wouldn't be possible considering the PS5 can't read CD's.

[@awesomecat3345]

Same goes for those blue PS2 CD's

[@markmurillo4330]

It’s already supreme lol

[@Gumi0030]

they can add another laser that can read DVD and CD for the Pro ver (wont happen)

[@dhgmrz17]

​@@Gumi0030DVD work, just not CDs.

[@dnc9952]

So glad I kept my massive PS3 collection, just in case. Might even get round to playing the saboteur finally

[@samuraibeastwarrior2886]

now we need to play PS2 games on PS5

[@newjackgaming88]

ps2 sucks on ps5 lol compare to xbox series with dev mode that run ps2 in 4k and 1080p

[@samuraibeastwarrior2886]

@@newjackgaming88 i respect your opinion

[@patricknaylor2023]

If this is true, they need to make PS2 disc's and PS1 disc's backwards compatible with PS5

[@ArtisChronicles]

The storage medium might not be compatible at all.

[@blackreaperkaneki9900]

@@ArtisChroniclescould you explain, please?

[@netbirth]

This guy is ill if you cant tell from his pfp. If they wanted to make it, they could​@@blackreaperkaneki9900

[@daveb9402]

Dude, theres a hardware limitation. The PS5 as well as PS4 only offer a twin laser in order to read BD and DVD. Some PS2 and all PS1 CD-ROM games will never be compatible with the PS5! Just try to play a compact disc on PS4/5... On Xbox it would be technically possible because those consoles can also read CDs.

[@Briansm15]

I heard they were making a PS2 emulator for PS5 but I'm not sure

[@samuraibeastwarrior2886]

I can't wait to play GTA 4 on my PS5

[@lifethencardidea]

If GTA IV is available

[@samuraibeastwarrior2886]

@@lifethencardidea I have GTA 4 all ready

[@lifethencardidea]

@@samuraibeastwarrior2886 ps3?

[@samuraibeastwarrior2886]

@@lifethencardidea yes

[@lifethencardidea]

@@samuraibeastwarrior2886 too bad i don’t have a ps3

[@Lynxan]

Would be cool is the main feature of the PS5 pro is full disc basses backwards compatibility. I wouldn’t mind a refresh of my hardware to play my whole back catalogue of games.

[@ArtisChronicles]

I'd take that if they just do a software unlock for PS3 discs on older models

[@ReginaldVannison7777]

GM Foxy! I hope to God the rumor is true! Sony started backwards compatibility. To see someone else do it better, is wild to say the least.

[@ktrotter11]

Who did it better?

[@fuzzylogic3017]

​@@ktrotter11I think he means that at present, Xbox is doing it better since some 360 and a few original Xbox titles are playable on the Series X, if you have the discs.

[@ktrotter11]

@@fuzzylogic3017 but they don't run off the discs at all, which is why they canceled that program due to lack of use in comparison to the resources required to manually create an emulation solution for those games. However I understand what they thought they meant.

[@sdmalpas]

Anytime sony do a remaster or a re-remaster, i think of all the amazing dormant IP'S that are sitting on discs in a cupboard somewhere that people would love to play, but unless you have a working ps3, you are out of luck. I hope this rumour finally comes true.

[@PurushaDesa]

Puppeteer!

[@frankdiaz1978]

Yep. So many great franchises and innovative games on PS2 n 3 we deserve to have again

[@Nonantement]

Infamous comes to mind.

[@sdmalpas]

@Nonantement Infamous second son is still amazing for being over ten years old. First light is pretty good aswell. Plays lovely on a ps5. I know what you mean though, would be great to play the original.

[@187chalice]

now, if i could just get my ps3 digital library back aswell.

[@GooseDaPlaymaker]

THAT, my friend, is not only unrealistic but is not a good financial move for SONY. It's easier to just tout the whole 'look at me, I'm *backwards compatible* too!' monicker out there is just a marketing tool for selling you slight upticks in resolution on older games again. TRUE backwards compatibility (first gen PS3 consoles, Gameboy Advance handhelds, Nintendo 3DS, etc) is just a pipe dream for Gen 7 and older. I got screwed in 2013 when my PS3 library did not port over (almost 1000 games). That's why I game on modern consoles still, but my main library now is on Steam.

[@Alien_isolationist]

​@@GooseDaPlaymakerlook at me, I lost 1,000 games & went from digital to digital 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@joshuamejia9642]

@@Alien_isolationistlmao literally how is steam any better other than you having more confidence in how many years it would last

[@phantombigboss8429]

​@@Alien_isolationistCheck your library you may get some of them back if there's ps4/ps5 versions.

[@Alien_isolationist]

@@phantombigboss8429 I was mocking the 2nd post in this thread, I don't buy digital games...

[@Sherrybirkin2012]

I don't know how much longer I can wait for this.

[@zzollyy]

Add native backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 discs then I will buy a PS5.

[@dutchgamer842]

The Playstation 5, doesn't read CD, only DVD and Blu-ray

[@Z64bit]

​@@dutchgamer842 Actually hardware wise it can read CDs it just can't play them due to software. I don't think they make disc drives that can't read CDs

[@Johnatansutton]

Tell to sony social media

[@antwango]

PS5 Pro with PS3 PS2 PS1 Native disc back compat WAS the dream before the PS5 started!!!!! Does the PS5 Disc do PS2 PS1 native disc!!!?? Heck does it do PS4!!!??? I heard PS4 was 99% last time i checked!!!?? Surely when the PS6 arrives, it should be more than capable!!!???? Ive got my retro handhelds that can do majority of devices up to PS1 LOL But if Sony released an ALL IN ONE Dream machine that can take discs and BE the media hub the PS3 was as well as Vita and PSP then take my frikking money!!!!!

[@rodan888]

💯

[@secondchance6603]

I would expect Sony to pull the rug from under our feet and tell us it's only for the upcoming PS5+ or whatever the hell they're going to call it in order to boost sales.

[@ArtisChronicles]

That's the expected move for sure

[@buddyhall5330]

I have my ps3 library ready... Anything I platinum'd, have their own resting place

[@TheGamingCircle]

That would be a Game Changer:-))

[@edisjd]

Been expecting this for a long time. Cerny himself said the ps5 uses ps3 spu's for its audio...

[@imawirzardninja9664]

So I wonder if they get disc working doesn't that mean our digital ps3 library should open to us instead of waiting for ps plus to add the games or buying them over again we already own for ps3 to play on ps5?

[@kammel9017]

Well medievil is now on PS4 and ps5, and if you bought it on PS3 you already have the license, just have to download it. Talking about the original PS1 not the remaster.

[@y87_99Firebird]

I have the the first two Twisted Metal games free on PS5 because I had them on PS3

[@novared7986]

HipHopGamer has my full respect for sure

[@mooganify]

Old school

[@ghalilahloumimiseconde3771]

Even if I have a jailbreak ps3 , I still want to have a better backward compatibility for the ps5

[@Cautious_Gamer]

If I could play all of my PS3 exclusives on PS5, I would definitely buy one.

[@hiphopgamer]

WOW BRO THANK YOU SO HUMBLING DOG THANK YOU FOR THE LOVE THANK YOU THANK YOU MAN JUST THANK YOU

[@foxygamesuk2828]

You're welcome man, keep up the good work!

[@herblackwings33]

You do deserve the credit HHG,i remember when you were first talking about this,before anybody bro.

[@herblackwings33]

You deserve the credit HHG, i remember when you first talked about PS3 BC years ago. HHG going to to get his redemption arc.

[@PurushaDesa]

Adverts in general had more attitude in the 90s and 2000s. Marketing is so _clean_ now. Some of those early PS1 ads were wild and unforgettable and you'd never get that now.

[@techno_spidey95]

Would anyone be mad if this became a Pro feature ?

[@Diego35HD]

Yeah, unless the games are running at 8K I don't see how the original PS5 can't do it properly

[@michaeldougherty9301]

I think it's safe to say any ps5 owner would be pissed off if it was locked as a pro feature

[@sodathejunker]

Absolutely. It’s already a premium just to have a disk drive, that would be very disrespectful to lock the feature to play purchased physical games behind a second premium.

[@bxnytony]

Yes. Right up until I place my pre order purchase.

[@washbrook]

My 2024 resolution was to play more PS3. So far, my PS3 gametime exceeds my PS5. I doubt PS3 BC is coming to PS5 - but I do hope that PS6 plays all PS gens natively.

[@TimDespairBear11]

I highly doubt PS6 will do that. I’d be surprised if the PS6 will even have a disc drive.

[@MountKash1]

Good to see people are actually giving HipHopGamer his props & flowers ! Here rarely rarely ever ever ever gets his credit & just dues. HHG breaks a lot of gaming info & leaks before anyone else ever speaks on it. Like months ahead to even years ahead of anyone else.

[@shalindelta7]

I have a digital ps5 and a ps3 slim.

[@Mintcar923]

I have had a disc ps5 for about a year.. My gut told me to get a 2nd ps3 about 3 years ago super slim version and sure enough my OG died not long after

[@DatBoiRatchet]

​@@Mintcar923I got a CFW CECHA00 PS3, im eating good

[@mooganify]

F

[@kammel9017]

I still have and use my ps3 slim, haven't bought the ps5 yet, and this would be a very good reason to buy one, atleast for me

[@vladimirputin4370]

Sony could sell a DVD Drive for ps1/Ps2 games- I’d buy it

[@WaynerTheGamer]

MGS4 was so good 😎

[@kevinkev1530]

Big facts !!!!!!

[@madwolf]

It still is.

[@thejcxshow4426]

If this is true, I hope it will be in new PS5 game console and we can play ps3 disc offline.

[@bryaneastvold3491]

I’d love it if all of the PS3 infamous games were backwards compatible even if it’s digital only. I’d also like to play Batman Arkham Origins too if it never gets remastered which is probably the case. Also if Sly 2 and 3 are added to the list, I’d also like Sly 4 to be added too eventually.

[@ronin6327]

I want my MGS game collection on one console! I don't want Sony charging me again for playing the games that I already bought.

[@michaeldougherty9301]

They could do native backwards compatibility for ps3 and ps2 silver disc's, but not ps1 or ps2 blue disc, only because the ps5 has no cd laser, unless they want to release a cd peripheral for ps1 and ps2 blue discs

[@joshpollard9098]

I don't understand why ps don't let us download old ps3 games like gt4 ect maybe it's a technical problem but they would get more people to pay for the better ps online to be able to use it and get more profit to make the company even bigger

[@myscorebig]

Watch em still charge for online for ps3 games even tho its free on native ps3 consoles. Having said that, ill believe it when i see it. Sadly i dont think its profitable for sony

[@tacos4419]

Either that or online won't even be avaliable on the ps5 for ps3 games.

[@Run_The_Jules]

Welcomed morning news. Albuquerque, NM

[@frankdiaz1978]

This would be huge! I like that my xbox has some BC but so many games, especially old sports games and others get ignored bc of licensing issues. So tired of that legal speed bump. We own it, should be able to play it

[@Mitchropolitan]

I don’t think this is how people would want it to work. Maybe some licensing deals were made. Possibly, a small group of games on PS+ premium (similar to the PS2, PS, etc.) and/or being able to buy at PS stores. I doubt they would add the cell processor somehow into the PS5 Pro, but I guess.they could, but not practical. That’s my thought process.

[@fattiger6957]

I don't think anyone is manufacturing cell processors anymore since they aren't used in anything. So if Sony was to somehow start producing them again it would only drive up the price of the PS5 Pro. It's almost certain that PS3 games would only be played via emulation.

[@Mitchropolitan]

@@fattiger6957 So, there you go. To my knowledge which is limited, but that’s why you couldn’t just run all PS3 games “natively” as many suspected & falsely reported for the PS5 back before it released. You couldn’t just put GTA IV into the PS5. I thought you were implying the hardware would work. Without licensing you wouldn’t be able to do it legally is my understanding. That’s the bigger point. Please correct me if I’m wrong?

[@fattiger6957]

@@Mitchropolitan If Sony somehow was able to make perfect emulation, where every PS3 game just works, then they wouldn't need any licensing agreements. But that would only apply to users who use their own discs. I doubt this would happen. More likely, it would be all digital and they would either sell PS3 games and/or put them on PS+ Premium. Then they would definitely need to make licensing agreements with publishers. And it could go the way of Xbox where every XB and 360 game they offered needed to be specifically tweaked for their backwards compatibility program. The problem with that is that it requires a lot of work. That's why Xbox abandoned their backwards compatible program years ago.

[@XPuntar]

@@fattiger6957 Strange that just some days ago I remember seeing a video on KZbin that enormous improvement has been made on "that" PS3 emulator.

[@timothylaberge6749]

It would give me a reason to get a ps5

[@BlueBARv5]

I hope its True! Even tho it doesn't matter to me because i still have the OG Backwards PS3 and 1, 2 &4 😂... But i hope its read off the disc because to me that's true backwards compatibility, i dont like this put the disc in download a whole game even tho its right there on the disc and you need to be online is wack.

[@madstones1]

Be real funny if this happens and it turns out my ps3 discs have degraded.

[@Snaaake_Beater]

we all know it will not support discs because they love money

[@verylongchannelhandle]

Emulation? Maybe. Natively running? No. The arhcitectures are super different, what are y'all saying 😭

[@RossMalagarie]

DUUUUUDE I wish they would get Kevin Butler back! WE NEED KB!

[@HevICue]

I thought it was weird yesterday that I saw some ps3 games show in the ps plus library on my ps5. Sure its one thing to see it on the app, but on the console library itself pretty much confims it.

[@Zenbloke]

I miss Kevin Buttler

[@jessepowellat2012]

Wish Sony would allow PS2 and PS3 disc support on the I did love to play the games I own discs can’t see PS1 disc happening since PS5 doesn’t support CD discs. I have a PS5 Disc version and PS3 Super Slim if I could play my PS3 games on my PS5 without having break out the PS3 if would be nice.

[@ramiyohay7286]

I think it is emulation, not native

[@fattiger6957]

It wouldn't be native. Sony isn't going to get anyone to start manufacturing cell processors again. Even if it runs the discs (which I doubt) it would still be emulation

[@kaeganthornhill3936]

It would go the route of the PS3 (2.0) model. It has a built in decoder/emulator to help bypass security codes which prevent a handful of PS2 and PS1 games.from one on the PS3 Fat. So it still being played from the Native Disc but also being decoded in real time. And will only work as long as the Disc is in.

[@PowderedVoltage]

I could see it being similar to how Xbox does it. Where the disc serves as an authentication key, that grants you access to an emulated version of the game for download.

[@alexcompton314]

@@fattiger6957I’d much rather emulate than stream

[@fattiger6957]

@@alexcompton314 Yeah, that's true. Emulation could be great, depending on how much time and money Sony wants to put into it.

[@TimDespairBear11]

I think they might do digital ps3 backward compat but I highly doubt your ps3 discs will work. I COULD be wrong but if that’s the case why do PS2 discs not currently work??? Clearly sony doesn’t care about your discs.

[@Furry_Wall]

They'd probably just read the licenses on the PS3 disc like they do for PS4 and PS5. I'm not sure how it works on PS1 and PS2 but there might not be a license to install the game

[@y87_99Firebird]

I use my PS3 more than my PS5 but this would be WILD. Older games just hit better

[@themetalgod66683]

I would buy a PS5 if it can play my PS3 games on it. I have a huge PS3 library.

[@JakkiFN0rmus]

in case you missed it, hiphop gamer is taking donations of flowers for his clairvoyance

[@sneeson]

I would love this to be true but I have serious doubts.

[@lorrenshire181]

In order to make PS3 games look. Good or playable. They are going have to do some major updates. Because I don't think the graphics will stand up on the PS5.

[@robertbell1804]

I hope this is true I would love to play my PS3 games on PS5

[@TheRealWalterClements]

I hope Sony really understands how many people really want PS1/2/3 disc compatibility, it could be a huge seller for them if they manage to get it working.

[@carlbrown1000]

As long as i can play GTA 4 and SSX 2012, ill be happy.

[@andrewdupuis1151]

I hope get ps1 and ps2 work to by time i get ps5

[@sangacena5850]

I want ps3 toys story 3 on ps5 😭🙏

[@ElDo2K.3gp]

I hope this is true and it works with physical copies, I would hate having to buy a digital copy of a game I already own.

[@devilshooter126m8]

Great video

[@greilthelegendaryhero252]

I want this so much. I don't have any ps3 games. But ps3 games are probably quite cheap. I know they were in the past. Dante's inferno, Lego star wars the complete saga and a lot others. I'm not paying for premium to play those.

[@boltsy1395]

I have transformers games on ps3 and if Sony can’t make physical copies be compatible on ps5 then I call this garbage on Sonys idea.

[@xxnike0629xx]

I’d be surprised if this is real. If it is hopefully it’s not paywalled by the higher tier PS+ or a paid app. Either way I wonder if this will discourage developers from remastering/porting games to PS5.

[@butterman2409]

If it’s real, I bet it’s exclusive to the PS5 Pro.

[@tristman8413]

​@butterman2409 why would they lock it to the smallest install base? 🤦‍♂️

[@I_O246]

I feel like they would implement full reverse compatibility on the PS5 Pro. Think about it, that’s the only justification they would have to put all of this time and effort into making it possible. And with GTA 6 coming out they can capitalize on that hype train by having all of the GTA games playable on the PS5 (without the definitive collection)

[@feedthefishy]

Don’t get your hopes up they would never let physical discs work on PS5, they would only upsell PS3 games on store

[@paullansville]

FGUK IS BACK!!💪🏽

[@kingcapricornio1193]

Nice title to the video

[@gtamike_TSGK]

Hears Hip hop gamer clicks off video 😂😂😂😂

[@fwobebe5164]

I hope this is true. PS3s are breaking down. I have 3 PS3s and two of them broke down at the same time, and the third, i don't want to risk. its some faulty soddering issue i hear.

[@geranobeks]

I bought black ops2 of the hopes for backwards compatibility

[@xxneroxxx4996]

Id love to pop GT5 and 6 into my ps5 tbat would make it my favorite console of all time tbh

[@pmilitary047]

Cloud streaming is horrible. I want to be able to insert & download ps3 games where possible.

[@SpiderHulkThing]

I hope this is true. I still have my ps3 but man does it run slow. Would love just to have one console to play them all

[@saulothebebop2581]

Sony be like: why backwards compatible if I could sell you the ports of games you already have?

[@kaeganthornhill3936]

This would carried out by a mix of " Native Souce" and Emulation. To help hit a locked 30FPS with the chance of a Patch to roll out to add in 60fps and upscale to 1440p like Sony done in the oast for Retro titles.

[@TargetHHH101]

I like the convenience of everything on 1 console but I still have my old original hardware including a launch edition fully bc ps3 so i have 5 gen of sony between 2 consoles and people act like its too hard to just turn on an older console. If its gonna boost the frame rate or a graphic bump like the series x does on some games thats cool. But are we as humans so spoiled and lazy we cant just use the original hardware? thats pathetic.

[@GooseDaPlaymaker]

Gosh, I miss Kevin Butler's SONY commercial shenanigans! 😅

[@HeavenlyPeace73]

I have tons on ps2 Games I would love to play again

[@blackreaperkaneki9900]

I’d finally be able to play all Metal Gear games, including Metal Gear Rising. Oh, and Sonic Unleashed and Silent Hill.

[@Kenno10rapid]

I think it was always an oversight maybe deliberate that this wasn't in there from the get go. I'll believe it when I see it though.

[@RDMANGLEYT]

Idk why you say physical games wouldnt work because of no dvd drive, ps3 game are blu ray

[@cool-soap]

Would've been nice if they just use RPCS3 or something. Might help speed up development.

[@Armzed1]

If this happens, they should let us access our ps3 digital library aswell.

[@stevemoss9]

What's it really matter who heard what first lol,get a grip man

[@saimir77]

Yup. He needs validation. Thats ego want to be validated. Most people are fools, low iq having no clue as to what life is about. Many live in a little box created in their small mind.

[@wheels7176]

If I have the physical ps3 disk it should work on ps5 once it gets support

[@bellissimo4520]

That is never gonna happen. Allowing to run old discs would require a general 100% (or nearly) compatible emulator; very difficult to do for both the PS2 and PS3 - and there is zero economic incentive for Sony to do this. It would be a huge investment, and zero return on it. Any backwards compatibility will therefore be limited to old games being made available as downloads that you have to buy, as is the case today with PS1 and PS2 games. There is simply no economic case for Sony to invest a lot of effort into implementing support for what is clearly a niche use-case. Unless they see it valuable enough as a marketing move... other than that, I don't see why they would want to do this.

[@UnitedWeStandFreedom]

There's no reason why it shouldn't play our physical games ! My 4k player plays disks from the 80's so lol. I have 300 plus ps3 games I'd love to play them without having 100 consoles laying around . I don't stream or play my games online i play offline only .

[@archangelarielle262]

This is not my opinion, however, it is also a possibility that he was making it up, and through coincidence it was inevitable. For example, remakes will eventually be obsolete, as an AGI will be able to remake any game for every generation without developers. Obviously it's inevitable, eventually.

[@novared7986]

I have my ps3 library and my ps3 slim with poor storage lol

[@greenreaper1605]

I want full PS library backwards compatibility on PS5, it automatically would win hands down

[@KahlilFredricks]

Exactly! It’s just like how Microsoft handles really well on the series x

[@AaronH9111]

If they make this happen then you could have Every Final Fantasy game on PS5 !!

[@williamkopko5775]

Ps5 can play all backwards PlayStation games. If they wanted to on emulation but they created the PlayStation store. And all its tiers. Which now is so exspensive. With basic. PlayStation plus. Is now 80$ for the year. And rest of the tiers going up over $100 and the. Price of a game is $100. Doesn't include dlc or any add ons. In these changing times where everything is expensive Sony needs to give us backwards compatible thank you for understanding Sony. Thanks for the great games

[@laffinkippah]

If Sony makes the investment necessary to add PS3 compatibility, it's not going to be so we can play the games we already have. They'd much rather prefer to sell them to us again.

[@vvolfflovv]

This would give a lot of us a reason to use our PS5s ;p

[@igor4knezevic]

I just know one thing, if PS3 disks end up being playable natively on the PS5, I might just buy one