PS4 - The Witcher 3 Cinematic Trailer

[@scottk1525]

When four minutes of animation are more gripping than two seasons of live action.

[@TheStarcraftJACKAL]

Drink some Black Blood, threw a Moon Dust, killed monster, meditate 'til morning.

[@007bogossemre007]

My favorite wake up time from meditation is at 5 a.m. on a Skellige mountain, the sunrise is beautiful :')

[@TheStarcraftJACKAL]

Bruce Wayne I always travel at night. It's gentle to RAM :))

[@rielfamily]

MJk Slasher Could have oil-ed his blade too.

[@Mitozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

+MJk Slasher I thought it was Cat at first.

[@TheStarcraftJACKAL]

Mitozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Cat is sorta like night vision potion. This one gives that vampire more than a bad burp and diarrhea combined :))

[@willharris6750]

I would pay to see a movie like this

[@willharris6750]

El Bandito No I'm talking about a CGI movie exactly like this trailer

[@JosephDragunov]

will harris Would you pay for a video game like this? lol

[@el9007]

Joseph Dragunov I will, why not?

[@simonk570]

will harris beowulf

[@willharris6750]

Alright people. When I said I would pay to see a movie like this I meant this trailer. This exact trailer extended into a 2 1/2 hour epic cgi film. Everything about, and in this trailer in a movie. The graphics (because this shits on any other cgi trailer or film I've ever seen), the characters like Geralt and this witch (because she foine) and the whole world of The Witcher.

[@CASHKEZ]

I wish they made kind of movies like this.

[@Auzzie015]

kezdrew I agree. I can't think of any animated movies of this quality for an older audience.

[@xXBigBossZz]

kezdrew what he did with that potion..becoming a vampire or something?

[@cawcawlert]

xXBigBossZz its a potion in game that turn the witcher blood into a poison agains vampire

[@Narya99]

kezdrew Watch Beowulf. Just like this.

[@CASHKEZ]

already seen it.

[@jessehernandez8419]

Everyone keeps talking about how good this LOOKS, undeniably true, but focus on how great it SOUNDS. The Bruxa's song in the beginning and end, with the violin in the middle. Fucking incredible.

[@dbg3006]

Watching this trailer just over a year ago was what finally convinced me to buy this game. 262 hours of playing later, I just finished Blood and Wine in NG+. My path is complete.

[@BGstefchoARS]

Out of all the games last year, this game had the most Polish. I'll see myself out.

[@4Skyrim]

+Stefan Denchev Of course it had the most polish, the devs are from poland...

[@BGstefchoARS]

4Gaming wow.. that was the joke man :D ;D

[@4Skyrim]

Buttman The hell are you talking about, that wasnt his joke it was mines... He was originally referring to the actual polish of the game and I made a joke out of it...

[@BGstefchoARS]

+4Gaming Hahaha nope it was mine can't you see i've typed Polish with a capital letter... omg you are so dumb i am sorry to say... or.... you are trolling in that case nice jon

[@4Skyrim]

Stefan Denchev Nobody would have ever read it that way especially in todays gaming when polished games are a rarity... Well unless the person has a sense of humor :P Did you not read what I typed? How am I dumb if I mentioned the devs being from poland? Did you think I didnt get it??? LMAO!

[@ahmedmuawiyah8883]

It has been a while since a game managed to get us this hyped. Everything is artistically well done and hopefully when we play this it lives up to expectations.

[@sagaciousassessor6237]

Best live action trailer ever

[@NycolasPedro]

+Sagacious Assessor But it was a animation dude! xD

[@sagaciousassessor6237]

N Nycolas Pedro whaaaaaat? Mind blown

[@gersongalvez2729]

+Sagacious Assessor LOL

[@dicio4001]

+Nycolas Pedro it was live action, I know one of the actors. The monster is my sister.

[@NycolasPedro]

HAHAHA I see it xD Sorry.

[@gacrux225]

One of the best trailers in all of game history (my opinion).

[@TITANSofTheEARTH]

A movie in this quality... i would prefere 1000x more than a bad real hollywood movie we will get sooner or later.

[@morilas100]

It would take ages to make, this is just 4 mins and it took a whole company to do it

[@user-wv5dm1gv7m]

would you happen to know the company name? also, with technology growing, within 3-5 years, a film or even a tv show with this quality is very possible.

[@bzukala]

final fantasy XV? or BeoWolf? have you seen them? it's an animated movie and when I was watching at first thought they were real characters lol

[@Zamalshkay]

yeah for some reason i always preferred full CGI than actors with CGI in video game movies!!

[@octodude6815]

"You found me beautiful once." "Baby, you got real ugly."

[@g0atboy207]

+Octo Dude Army of Darkness :-)

[@enterbalak]

fuckin love the evil dead 5/5

[@cookiesontoast9981]

same for me, I love all 4 of the movies and the new tv show

[@ganjaman59650]

omg she is the vampire from blood and wine! the one that run an orphanage for blood. Her design is sooo good, the part between 0:30 and 1:00 is just godlike facial animation, what a memorable face when she look human... So this is happening after the end of the witcher 3, he come back to kill her, "times have changed". This is the first time i see a pre-launch teaser trailer that answer questions for after the last extension of a game. CD Project really deserve respect. She even sing the song from the menu... this is proof that dlc planned way ahead of the launch can be good if the devs are not lazy scum.

[@zenithquasar9623]

This is possibly one of the best video game trailers ever made!

[@JSM26]

Anyone else here after the new witcher series on netflix?❤

[@BoullouD]

yes, this is better alot then Shitcher with Gachi Geralt from Netflix

[@trh2032]

Nope, here cause this is one of the best games and trailers and I love it

[@okoyes7151]

U mean the crapflix series

[@DarkSoulja3323]

ive been gaming since begining of time. one of the most epic single player games ever

[@AMRsti93]

this is a perfect portrayal of Geralt. not a god tier character.. not unstoppable just very good at his job..

[@bridgeburner9909]

+themalicous1 I think the argument is that he's more like Batman than Superman. Not that he isn't strong AF.

[@AMRsti93]

Exactly hit the nail on the head wit that one

[@Dwimerytguy]

+BlakeSTI93 Geralt got his ass kicked in the books many times. Once he got beaten up by a mage in melee combat. He was recovering for months

[@Tarmax94]

awesome, those graphics are amazing.

[@GamingNormaly]

Juan Bermudez All done on PC

[@Tarmax94]

I know ¬¬

[@CASHKEZ]

GamingNormaly you don't say.

[@babyjoker2785]

kezdrew love these graphics

[@jadduck]

***** Seriously? Can you PC-loving insects just fuck off and let people that own a console enjoy playing it? Like, we know the PC is superior to a console. Get over it.

[@aliasofia8248]

WOOOW!!! This game should be a movie!!

[@zawiszaczarny7876]

+alia sofia And it is already planned to be .

[@frown8933]

+alia sofia Actually, it was made series , but it was soooo bad www.imdb.com/title/tt1070742/

[@aliasofia8248]

Really???

[@frown8933]

YUP! But I don't recommend it ;) Better read Sapkowski's books. I'd like to do it , but I'm too lazy ;p

[@gabrielguzno7551]

смотрел только из-за рекламы с Высерманом

[@BlueLightSpecialLife]

best game i ever played so far, its like a huge movie. great story, awesome gameplay 10/10

[@EgorKlenov]

Wow, they could even write a book based on this game

[@ziutek6603]

Im polish, ARE YOU KNOW WIEDŹMIN SAPKOWSKIEGO? He wright a book first.

[@szpO_Onu]

The game is based on a book dude xD

[@Razor1379]

Everyone knows that Sapkowski based his books on the game XD

[@szpO_Onu]

@@Razor1379 true, hes a timetraveler

[@EgorKlenov]

@@szpO_Onu woosh that lasted three years, that's incredible

[@JonnysKia]

OMG if only my game looked this real...I totally love technology, how the hell they can make these characters look like REAL in the videos. Wow....best game ever seriously.

[@K-2968.1]

EPIC. AS. FUCK.

[@ig8315]

Icey Dicey كتط

[@MaskoftheWraith]

What a game, best RPG I've played so far.

[@bryanchristiannuarin]

This Cinematic trailer just gave me goosebumps! What an incredible game! I hope I can play this soon..........

[@melissatodd8202]

I never thought it could be done but this game has taken first place on my list of all time favorites.

[@naju332]

omg if they made this into a movie with this color and animation it would be the best movie iv seen.

[@keybladebeatz2351]

2020 and still one of the dopest trailers

[@MurderingLeprachauns]

Wolves asleep amidst the trees Bats all a swaying in the breeze But one soul lies anxious wide awake Fearing all manner of ghouls, hags and wraiths For your dolly Polly sleep has flown Don't dare let her tremble alone For the witcher, heartless, cold Paid in coin of gold He comes he'll go leave naught behind But heartache and woe Deep, deep woe Birds are silent for the night Cows turned in as daylight dies But one soul lies anxious wide awake Fearing all manner of ghouls, hags and wraiths My dear dolly Polly shut your eyes Lie still, lie silent, utter no cries As the witcher, brave and bold Paid in coin of gold He'll chop and slice you Cut and dice you Eat you up whole Eat you whole

[@wolfstorm5394]

Actually got goosebumps watching this... Hail The Witcher!!

[@niceone1456]

moondust bomb + black blood potion, nice strategy Geralt!

[@jonathanstrauss2083]

Hollywood really needs to pay attention to the cinematic trailers they are absolutely phenomenal. If they would allow the scriptwriters and directors for these video game cinematic trailers to actually do some movie directions we could actually get a decent movie out there

[@arnoldstalone3667]

The Last of Us, Uncharted 4 & Witcher 3 best games of the decade!

[@pagrindiniskarolis]

Did ya'll know witcher is based upon novels released by Polish writer Andrzej Sapkowski and published in the 90s.This scene is a depiction of an opening chapter of the first book called 'the last wish'?? Did ya? did ya?! I bet not

[@james231722]

The opening too the first book was him dreaming he was with yennifer, after that it was him recovering from his fight with the striga which was the opening scene to the first game

[@james231722]

I take that back, after his dream he walked into a town I believe to get the striga contract

[@mrgamingtr6844]

Karolis Alsauskas in that scene the girl was turned to a striga not a ghost

[@pagrindiniskarolis]

MR GAMİNG TR When/where did I say Ghost, anyone?

[@yopeople5772]

Actually...

[@oMa3aH]

I just cant stop watching it!!!pls make witcher movie or series...the books have a lot food for thought!

[@jeremyhigdon3402]

I can't believe I'm just now playing this game. I....love....this....game omg it's amazing 😍

[@Hatamoto95]

I like how this trailer is fully based on actual mechanics of the game, for example the moon dust bomb or the potion that deals damage to vampires when they hurt Geralt.

[@Charless4141]

Tell me why do we need actors to play geralt when they can make this one look like real .. Even better :D

[@danielvine6810]

They do need motion capture actors to make this, you know right? Aaaaand this takes months ,possibly a year to make.

[@JohnSmith-xk5ou]

What makes this scripted trailer so badass is that this is how contracts actually go down in the game. Everything in this world is dripping with character.

[@JCA1009]

My old PC will cry for this... XD

[@Vataliz]

i still in love with this trailer @2017

[@MarcioRipper]

Just one thing...Awesome. I am waiting 4 this game before get my ps4.

[@fabiobarros3741]

que grafico

[@TomasSandven]

Marcio Ripper Please don't buy a PS4

[@GamingNormaly]

Marcio Ripper Dont get a PS4

[@MarcioRipper]

Tomas Sandven and GamingNormaly​ in fact, i havê a PS4 since november last year...

[@TheNonGenericGamer]

Marcio Ripper It's not exclusive to PS4. Don't waste your money.

[@yaners]

On my second playthrough, this video makes the alchemy build feel sooo much more badass. Dat Blackblood!

[@JorgeGH]

No me canso de ver este trailer! Es perfección, arte puro!! Me entran ganas de jugar The Witcher 3 cada vez que lo veo!!

[@boris7813]

I can't stop watching this,I just can't

[@OhFishyFish]

And that's how you do fantasy, Mr Jackson.

[@friendzenterkolkata]

I still remember orianna singing the song in game. I think I opted for the mission in my 3rd play through. That was a "fuck it's her!" moment for me. CDPR = BRILLIANCE!

[@pennywise1682]

Im gonna play the shit out of this game

[@TheHermite]

One of the best game trailers I've seen! Great stuff!

[@adriaanrijkse]

best game ever hands down

[@Haczux]

Realistic to the pain...Masterpiece

[@noahkirkland5844]

i just beat this game a couple weeks ago and i have to give it a 10/10. everything about it was amazing, if you are thinking about getting this game then i definitely would, i played on PC on medium settings and i have a 1000 dollar gaming laptop and if i played any higher than that it lagged

[@-Markus-]

4:06 The darker endnote.....just brilliant!

[@abed-ibrahim]

That was genius, everything

[@docteurpeinture]

so beautiful, maybe one day, we can show it in theater

[@garmtpug]

If you haven't played Witcher 1 or 2 (like me), I think reading the Witcher books adds a lot of background and history to Witcher 3 that may have been learned in the first two games. The books are easy and quick reading and actually portray Geralt and the other main characters in a slightly different light than in the game. That's just my opinion and I'm wondering if others think the same. I've enjoyed Witcher 3 a great deal and was sad to see it end, but I don't want to play again in order to get a different ending. I'm satisfied with "my" ending :-) P.S. I didn't come across this nasty maiden during my play-through. Lots of various female, floating creatures but no one that I fought in a small barn.

[@pomurnik66]

każdy wybór ma znaczenie ^^

[@KandaceMSP]

At the end, I almost felt sorry for that thing.

[@FreeFlocka-pk6hv]

Should I play the Witcher assassins of kings? I loved number 1

[@KaNe1493]

***** Yes.

[@TheRoBoRex36]

***** the witcher 3 is even better

[@ajsingh4545]

***** No.....play Dragon age 3 instead....Witcher is a overrated gae

[@KaNe1493]

AJ Singh Oh, It's really not.

[@Resilience93]

AJ Singh True its overrated but so is DA3

[@hoseinqadam]

A lot of games don't need to have movies to them, but then there are some that need a movie to it. This is definitely one of them. A new story, nothing to close the games themselves.

[@DreamofAnything]

What a masterpiece it is.I just don't have words.Animation has gone too far.

[@filipporyanschisano]

Best game i've ever played. Best trailer i've ever seen.

[@ginogigiki5649]

BEST GAME EVER MADE... SO ADDICTIVE AND SO GOOD!!!

[@kamilslimak7407]

The witcher 3 is an eternal game, a timeless masterpiece from history to graphics to music (I still remember the soundtrack of skellige, not to mention that of novigrad or velen, they are all masterful pieces). in this game everything is close to perfection (apart from the Combat system, which I really appreciated). I mean, I finished this game a few weeks ago (including all the dlc's) and I am constantly homesick for skellige, for Toussaint .... the witcher 3 has been an epic journey, which I will never forget.

[@donslayote6847]

if this were a movie i would see it more times than the amount of dislikes in the CoD IW trailer.

[@reckerray3464]

Gonna take a week off from work for this

[@GamingNormaly]

Recker Ray #Stupid

[@KaNe1493]

GamingNormaly Stupid? He could be taking a paid leave for all you know so essentially he would be getting paid to play The Witcher. Yeah... Stupid...

[@GamingNormaly]

Eric Cartman Paid leave? For a game. Na i rather keep them for summer or winter

[@iedison3839]

GamingNormaly You're a special kind of stupid.

[@Bo_Hazem]

Recker Ray To be honest, I didn't leave home for a straight 6 days! This game is and addiction that has one cure: Beat it!

[@mikkolaaksoharju2632]

I'm so sad that i don't have a device to play this game. :(

[@123doomdoom]

Mikko Laaksoharju that's what you get for buying a Pee-U

[@JackSparrow-yl3yu]

Mikko Laaksoharju you dont have a computer? maybe try lowest settings

[@No-hf1xq]

Jack Sparrow My PC can freeze from running google chrome, so I'd rather not kill it with this game. There is no limit to low-end PC.

[@sarihaddu]

Mikko Laaksoharju Even I was upset around 5 years ago for not having a PC that could run games at least at medium settings. So I saved pretty hard in 2008 and bought it. It is still running good running current gen games well. Only thing I changed is graphic card to gtx560 in early 2012 i guess.

[@vegaa]

There's prologue to this trailer in one of the path you can chose in Witcher 3 Blood and Wine expansion. It's amazing how all of this fall into place.

[@ntomatas1]

How come he didn't take any evidence of the kill, like the head or something?

[@HourlySmoker]

Κράτος Well he was going to (with the hook), but then he passed away. And when he woke up, but the look of her body, it might have been too late for him to do so.

[@nahrime69]

Κράτος Didnt you see the condition of that things body? And besides, his scars are plenty...

[@otakoob]

dmuno86 well... my witcher wasn't a honest type...

[@CountArtorias]

***** "He passed away" lol

[@HourlySmoker]

Shadow Zylo Yea that doesn't make sense at all lol passed out*

[@TheGmdMaster]

I just love how everything in this cineamtic is canon. Moon dust followed by black blood potion to deal with vampyre = most effective in game to kill it.

[@zetaro05]

video game movies should be made with cgis. they make hundreds of kiddy pixar movies, and no one makes adult fantasy films in the same vein as this :(

[@zetaro05]

i guess it depends on choreagraphy, i remember watching blizzard cutscenes, and cant shake how awesome they are, maybe its becoz theyre so brief, but if youve seen the recent protoss trailer, i just feel if its like that but just expanded, that video game movie would be awesome as hell. i remember loving advent children, its because the characters themselves are like the ones in videogames, but had they done that with live actors, it probably wouldnt have the same appeal, but then again, i hear there are people who hated advent children, so im not sure the general consensus on how good that movie is. full cgi also means unrealistic combat is more acceptable as its animation anyways, so they can go over the top, unlike live actors with cgi fight scenes.

[@jthegreat3627]

What a masterpiece still the best game I’ve ever played in damn near December of 2022

[@stefanthpro9312]

I wish a could replay this game with out memories of it it’s a fucking masterpiece

[@amitdadwal4240]

the best game ever made for me

[@ystconnection]

Amazing trailer! Makes it nearly impossible to wait for this game tommorrow.

[@dorlaz]

4:03 still looking beautiful xD

[@homayoonzamani9793]

dorlazxDnvuyg to be

[@yengyang5870]

Everything about this game is perfect. Best game that had I played in years.

[@nnarcissminator3193]

damn it I was fancying about her in the beginning.

[@danielvine6810]

That boner dies fast, huh? ;)

[@nnarcissminator3193]

Deadpool Wade Wilson yes....

[@MyWifesSon69]

Fancying? British ppl really talk like that?

[@twilightzoneseinfeld]

N-N-No!

[@Medivh420]

This is the best trailer I have seen for anything.

[@argylealligator]

Is there a Bruxa quest in Witcher 3?

[@cassiocruz7792]

Argyle Alligator , no there arent, there are a few kikimoras though, and in the books bruxas also transform into gigantic bats, but this was also a very nice adaptation.

[@Dbn713]

Cassio Cruz Im barely 28hours in on W3 but what exactly did I just see Geralt fight? Dont think I've seen one of those ingame and at first I thought it was a wraith of some sort

[@argylealligator]

Dbn713 It's a species of vampire called a Bruxa, you don't get to fight one of them in this installment of the Witcher.

[@teekay9114]

Bruxa's cannot talk, they are telepathic. So it's not a bruxa

[@argylealligator]

TEE KAy It looks like Bruxa, what other vampire species in the Witcher looks like that?

[@stevehru7211]

Think I've watched this cinematic on repeat about 10 times now...

[@hotboy7372]

Mee.... 29 times 🥺🥺

[@JordanSmith-yi3ji]

Idea: Bloodborne Hunter in Witcher series.

[@AdzAkram]

the frikkin music to this game tho........something else wow

[@blackgamer8036]

IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY GOOD GAME

[@N3oNTiTaN]

greatest game ever I've bought every game that has come out in the last 3yrs Witcher is the only one I finished due to not having time but I played that Shit day and night... shit I'm downloading it now to replay it again

[@shifanshifan978]

Joseph Martin

[@beratsalman6442]

riel ochoa 🚬💊🔦📒📕🔌. Lkll

[@TITANSofTheEARTH]

This trailer is outstanding. 4 sure best game 2015 and one of the rare titles where entertainment and not farming until u r dead stands in the foreground.

[@minecraftS96]

Orianna? :O

[@rayshadows3617]

Yup.. it's her alright

[@Jim2point0]

She looks so much younger in this trailer though. In-game she looks like this: c2.staticflickr.com/8/7445/27508179130_026f3de76a_o.jpg

[@visar9498]

Yes its her, geralt says here "Nice tune been a while since I've heard it last" and the last time he head that was when orianna drank the blood of that little boy.

[@ASHMINDINFIRE]

Она самая. А на фоне Туссент. ) Я даже когда впервые смотрел боялся что Геральта грохнули. Истерика чуть не случилась. ^^

[@piotrzych3942]

Sjdkf

[@sammaps8888]

Watching these trailers makes me want to play again

[@JyunusDjack]

Damn! Looks amazing!

[@NetshadeX]

Second best trailer of 2015....amazing.

[@MrXprkls]

This is art!

[@EruxErux]

the only trailer that actually capures everything from the game

[@nianfifi2162]

Better game ever....

[@nianfifi2162]

Pourquoi j'ai fait une faute pareil moi ? J'avais bu le 7 octobre ou quoi ? Vu que je m'en souviens pas, je dirais que oui.

[@Stalkerdu38]

Nah just self pity, and pointing out he was drunk when he wrote that comment :)

[@nianfifi2162]

Osama Younis In fact, it's the opposite. I was wondering how I could make this stupide mistake. I think I was drunk.

[@knorieworiebobsnor]

Best trailer I've seen in a long time. I'm talking games and movies.

[@UnifiedEntity]

We will be killing this in Blood and Wine

[@domotank1382]

Hopefully. Also I think it's a wraith or something like that.

[@angelgirliey]

+Mr Domo It's a Bruxa

[@gabrielguzno7551]

как Катюха?

[@hallyuniverse]

No, she's actually an "allied" character, Orianna. You'll be killing other Bruxae though.

[@holden7358]

She's definitely a higher vampire, not a bruxae.

[@Clutch4IceCream]

Seeing this really makes me want a full fledged witcher movie!

[@RedbackBreeder]

Woooow I really wanna play this! But I've only played a bit of 1 and 2. Do I have to finish the first two to understand the game?

[@edwinolivier327]

Not really. There are some references to the earlier games but you can go without them. I personally didn't play 1 or 2 but I still understood 3 w quite well.

[@Loozas92]

+Pope Francis if the pope says is it must be true

[@lekaiev]

+Loozas92 It's because there is magic

[@cococast8172]

+Pope Francis If the pope says it must be true 2

[@faustinasantiagoperez7196]

qv

[@maximilianopossenti2734]

movies like this would make a big hit.

[@PinkasBrown44]

Don´t Bethesda EVEN THINK of releasing a new game of the Elder Scrolls Series at LEAST as good as this one, providing by the time of its release technology, particularly in the graphics department, will already give them better conditions to do so. I ¨DARE¨ them...their turn now. Now what, Bethesda? :D

[@ryandemont2738]

Something that's been bugging me since playing the Blood and Wine DLC is that Regis expressly informs you that only a vampire can kill another vampire permanently. It's why you need his help to defeat Detlaff. It's the reason they say Witchers don't accept contracts on higher vampires. So if that's the case, then there's several vampires I defeated in Oxenfurt, Velen, and Novigrad, that are still on the loose. Not to mention all the ones you fight in Toussaint. Even assuming this only applies to higher vampires, and not the lesser vampires, then the Novigrad city coroner who turns out to be the one torturing and murdering people for blaspheming the holy fire can't be dead. This rule about vampires turns the whole game upside down for me.

[@grotler]

4:04 He forgot the head, how'll he get the gold?

[@braderslooloo]

he has heavy wounds and probably some vampire dust

[@UkrainianWizard]

+Anders “Grotleren” Frøyen The body of the Vampire has decomposed so Garrett can't take the head because anyone could think that it's someone else's head.

[@grotler]

+UkrainianGaming Well there's still a decomposed body on the ground when Geralt walks away and I would argue a decomposed head's better then no head when you go to prove you've killed your target. No head would suggest you've not done your job IMO ;)

[@bentait2462]

+Anders “Grotleren” Frøyen I think that's the best part of the trailer. Background song tells a story of how monsters are no different from people, everyone lives their life. So I'd like to believe that Geralt didn't cut off her head as a sign of respect to the creature and foe in many ways much like himself, because he saw that she had to do what vampires do just like he had to do what witchers do.

[@mbashasyed]

OMFGG!!! They outdid themselves this time....