Will PS Audio make subwoofers?

With PS Audio investing so heavily in loudspeaker research and development will they ever take some of that work and make a line of powered subwoofers? Have a question you want to ask Paul? www.psaudio.com...
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[@Oystein87]

I don't want a wireless sub.. Cable is always better

[@Mark-lq3sb]

Never realized how large those P20's are. Must be twice the P10.... Thank you... here every Saturday and don't forget to tip your waitress...

[@tsamplifiers6493]

Not sure how I could ever beast that upstairs to my listening room. I don't have kids. Almost dropped my pair on the stairs dragging a dbx BX-1 up step by step.

[@Mark-lq3sb]

@@tsamplifiers6493 I hear you, not looking forward to moving my JBL 4365's back upstairs, 198 Lbs. a piece.

[@thomshere]

When people freak out at prices I don't think they realize how much of the cost is engineering which is very, very expensive especially in electronics..

[@tsamplifiers6493]

Right. Like all of the company employees work for free.

[@swinde]

The definition of a sub woofer has changed over the years. Originally the term was for a true sub woofer that handled frequencies only below about 40 Hz an extended to the infra sonic to near 10 Hz. They were normally 15-18 inch drivers with their own amplifier. Today it simply means a bass speaker with its own amplifier and covers the low end below 150- 200 Hz. The so called sub woofer may not even cover 20 Hz or even 30 Hz sometimes. Check carefully before you buy.

[@jonathansturm4163]

I was constantly advised by a friend who makes subs for a living that I really needed one so eventually I borrowed one. It rolled off below 40 Hz, 10 Hz higher than my transmission line floor-standers. On-line signal generators and smart phone apps like Sound Meter combined with a DSP like the Dayton DSP-408 make much more sense to me.

[@swinde]

My standard Acoustic Research AR-3a speakers are specified at -3 Db at 30 Hz. A "sub woofer" should be covering about 10 Hz to 40 Hz to complement these speakers. Many modern so-called sub woofers do not even reproduce 30 Hz, much less anything lower.

[@jonathansturm4163]

@@swinde Then there's the question of how much musical information there is in the range below 50 Hz. The answer is not much for most people most of the time. I like organ music and the pedal notes get down there, but I don't listen to it all that often, especially since SWMBO detests pipe organ. I come across a system using a sub from time to time and think that they are mostly muddying the waters so to speak. Then there's the issue of room size. A 20 Hz soundwave is 17 metres long (56 feet) at room temperature and atmospheric pressure. One _could_ shorten that by pressurising the listening room to several atmospheres, but WAF becomes problematic when you start proposing such measures ;-)

[@swinde]

True, the lowest note on a Piano is about 27.5 Hz and a string bass bottoms out at about 40 Hz. True pipe organ can be as low as 16 Hz or even 8 Hz according to google.

[@poserwanabe]

@@jonathansturm4163 🤣😂😆😂🤣

[@stephensmith3111]

4th Law of Thermodynamics: Everything takes longer and costs more.

[@philipw7058]

They will make anything they can make money on

[@chadbarker2316]

Another speaker I probably cant afford but still love you Paul. Even us little people enjoy good sound!

[@cigarobsession]

For anyone needing it, the SVS wireless kit is flawless.

[@sudd3660]

yes, we need a serious subwoofer company making sound quality first priority. its so hard to find just a simple sealed subwoofer box. they all make compromises to sound quality to look good on paper and have more output. its like PA subwoofer is in the homes. quality subwoofers works for any use, home theatre have no quality standards and ara pollution the stereo hifi.

[@muskor88]

Check the Rythmik Audio sealed subs. A Rythmik Audio F18 blows just about every Velodyne or REL out of the water. Or if you really want the high end stuff go check out Funk Audio.

[@poserwanabe]

@sudd You can't be serious 🤣😂

[@poserwanabe]

@Larry Niles exactly 💯

[@tsamplifiers6493]

That was VMPS. Rest well Brian Cheney.

[@tsamplifiers6493]

@Larry Niles I don't own them, but SVS and RSL seem to be good for the money.

[@cbcdesign001]

I have a Yamaha wireless sub but it sounds terrible unless wired, sort of muffled and strange. Interference from wifi signals messes up the communication to the sub. There is so much wireless gear around today with the potential for issues that I am not convinced anything should be wireless now unless its absolutely necessary.

[@brianmoore581]

I have the same problem with my wifi bluray player. I rent and stream movies through it, but every time I make popcorn in the microwave I lose the signal. It's kind of annoying. That damn microwave is probably killing me with radiation, if the butter doesn't do it first. But you are right. I wouldn't have wifi speakers.

[@cp070476]

Not while SVS is around. You can't beat them for value

[@lcarliner]

To me, for classical music lovers like me, the ultimate low bass timbre reproduction is that the double bass in the Ditters von Ditterdorf’s will not sound like a ball park Hammond organ playing the 7th Inning Stretch tune or the Mexican Hat Dance. That reproduction improvement would be enough to encourage Gary Karr to make recordings.

[@BLacknesmonstaz]

Why does emotiva make speakers then discontinue them shortly after????

[@cactus00001]

Emotiva speakers are made in ____, by ____ . (Your call. ) 🤓

[@tsamplifiers6493]

They conservatively source a fixed qty. based upon expected demand. That way they don't have to ride out the period of declining sales before an evolved replacement becomes available. They are not a speaker company and want to stay in business while having something to offer as a one stop solution to buyers wanting convenience.

[@BLacknesmonstaz]

@@tsamplifiers6493 brilliant, thank you

[@bananasplitbrain476]

Make a good design like your first models of your snaky speakers and I will buy one if the pressure is alright and they move air!

[@harryzma]

When are speaker coming out ?

[@Paulmcgowanpsaudio]

Late fall 2020

[@SJMessinwithBoats]

Another sit and wait to see!

[@rakeshmahindrakar8866]

I have small bedroom setup. But my sub goes down till 16hz with sinewave. And below 15hz it's not audible. Slope starts from 30hz to 16hz.

[@SJMessinwithBoats]

Thats awesome that you can hear that. I want to do a small system also. Like has the ability to go only 70db. I feel excursion is a big factor in sound quality. Thats why I prefer 15's.

[@rickc661]

is PSB a different company ? I was semi interested in a compact 6.5 in sub designed for ' under couch' from them good specs, kinda $$$

[@josephjroy6593]

Yes. PSB (Paul and Sue Burton) audio is a Canadian loudspeaker manufacturer. They are part the Lenbrook Group of Companies which also includes NAD and Bluesound. The are very well regarded in the audiophile community.

[@FungedeBagre]

I bought a wireless transmitter /receiver for the subwoofer but concerns about the delay prevent me from using it.

[@poserwanabe]

I use them all the time in systems I install to simplify wiring, I don't hear any delay and they work perfectly...jmho

[@dallasmann7904]

Yes, Picard !! Lol

[@lovejago]

COOL!!!!

[@edgarortiz4681]

Why not ? PS audio is a top shelf brand . The products are well respected . I would be proud to own a complete system . From power regeneration , Source , amplification , cables to the speakers and subs . I am certain many would be proud to own a top to bottom PS audio system .

[@edgarortiz4681]

@Josh Atkinson ... What are YOU talking about ?

[@barneyjones5174]

Paul: before you get busy with powered subs, how about powered bookshelf speakers?

[@edgarmisplaced7924]

Paul, open baffle I hope!! Powered??

[@NickP333]

I’m very curious to see how sales of the AN3’s will end up within the 1st month. Any bets? lol I don’t doubt PS Audio speakers will be making their way Inyo many a system.

[@ryanschipp8513]

Theyll sell a pair or two

[@tsamplifiers6493]

And if the democrats' hoped for recession hits, PS Audio might not even be around to worry about!

[@matthewguthrie7675]

Center channel?

[@jonathansturm4163]

@True WingChun I know someone who has a pair of VAF DC-X transmission line speakers same as I possess. He went to his local cinema one day and the theatre-owner was dismayed by his speakers failing. My friend lived near the cinema and offered the use of his DC-Xs so the show could go on. Afterward several of the patrons congratulated the cinema-owner on his improved sound system. The speakers that broke cost several times what the VAF DC-Xs cost. I think that two channels of high quality is enough for most of us. I'm about as impressed by today's multi-channel sound as I was with Quadraphonic back in the 1970s.

[@poserwanabe]

@True WingChun how many quality home theaters have you ever sat in and listened to music ?? My guess is none...

[@jamesplotkin4674]

Wouldn't it be easier to license re-badging of a really great sub, such as the REL product? They've done a fine job and is there truly an advantage to basically starting over? Of course, you'd need to have the right to continue manufacturing REL if they should quit and go fishing.

[@jeppepedersen7006]

Why does Cerwin Vega make bad speakers?

[@briansimmons5363]

They choose to

[@tsamplifiers6493]

Their niche is low end. They apparently do very well offering what they do to people who want them at the prices they charge. Nothing wrong with that.

[@johnsweda2999]

One thing people make a mistake is there subs are on the floor this is a bad idea! it should be highest possible

[@jaydy71]

Wireless subs? Why? That seems more trouble than it's worth if I'm honest.

[@cigarobsession]

jaydy71 no trouble at all. They are great to be able to position them anywhere in the room needed without running a long input cable.

[@jaydy71]

@@cigarobsession Yes that's great, but they'd still be hooked up to power wouldn't they? So I'm not sure what the big deal is about the input cable (which is usually much more easily manageable than power cables). And wireless connections come with their own potential issues.

[@duroxkilo]

it's really no trouble these days... when was the last time you've heard of a blue-tooth speaker disconnecting from the smartphone? it used to happen a lot, they used to have very limited ranges, etc. not anymore... there are a few solutions out there with great reviews, I wouldn't mind a wireless option on a sub..

[@jaydy71]

@@duroxkilo Outright disconnecting is one thing, but it takes a lot before it actually gets there. Preventing disconnections usually means more buffering (thus phase issues). EDIT: I mean at this channel there's often talk about the most subtle things that are probably not perceptible anyway (like digital clock jitter issues, expensive power cables, power regenerators, exotic signal cables etc), and now we seem to be throwing that all out of the window and say "hey ho, wireless is totally on the table". I don't understand that.

[@duroxkilo]

@@jaydy71 a ok, i understand what you mean now... not to mention that the sub signal would have to be digitized and if it doesn't use 4million bits @ infinite kHz some people would hear/sense that :}

[@ryanschipp8513]

Subwoofers???? LMAOOOOO!!!!!! They are having the must difficult time making one pair of speakers. It's taking way too long and the price goes up after every video. I'll stick with REL subs. Here is my analogy of PS Audio. They were a very fine dining Steakhouse. Now they're turning into a Golden Corral.