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@chrisparrmusic4972 Жыл бұрын
I decided I needed to watch this just so I don't have nightmares about Mesa Boogies tonight after the last 6 videos I watched.
@shayeasy3 жыл бұрын
the reverb on the vibro champ sounds great - much better than my TC hall of fame which i am now getting rid of. and overall the amp can sound nearly identical to the original at the right settings, but is also capable of a lot more.
@Blkojo2 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@scottjpats2 жыл бұрын
Yeah not sure what he's hearing but the reverb isn't supposed to be a spring so maybe in that regard it sounds bad; digital hall reverb won't sound like tube driven spring but such is life. I also think out of the box this amp beats a lot of other amps in this price range. It's not a deluxe or a twin but you might actually get more use in the studio out of an amp like this. I agree on the issue of the speaker. I need to change mine but all in all this things rocks.
@sega62s7 ай бұрын
TC hall sounds bad 😂
@paulweddle92508 ай бұрын
The stock speaker on my 68 Vibro Champ Reverb sounds fine. You were getting a nice sound out of it for a moment. Good video..!
@hughmanetti19083 жыл бұрын
Great sounding audio. Excellent recording. Love the blue amp!
@jasonlee8667 Жыл бұрын
I think the vibro champ sounds better with the stock speaker
@brentlineberry409828 күн бұрын
the stock speaker does sound great in that cab! its just a finicky little bitch that cant hang blew it within a week :/
@nickmarbot2 жыл бұрын
The blue amp sounds wonderful
@GuitarMav3 жыл бұрын
I'm really liking the sound of the champ.
@RussC1233 жыл бұрын
Agreed- And with so many other great reviews out there on this amp it’s crazy to hear him say the amp was unusable with the stock speaker.
@SaxJockey2 жыл бұрын
I would expect a usable speaker in an amp that costs around £800 in the UK (equates to $872/€947).
@nickmarbot2 жыл бұрын
I like the sound of it too
@ElyRiverBlues Жыл бұрын
Of course the speaker is usable in this amp... he has his own views based on this speaker in much more powerful amplifiers. I guess it's there to accentuate the bass as far as possible in such a small cabinet. I've played one and for solo use in a small room there's plenty of bass and it sounds really good. It's not for use in a band situation or to be compared with larger more powerful amps in the same room. That's just apples and oranges.
@wrekkingcru3 жыл бұрын
Lyle - You're videos are always grab-the-popcorn-time for me to sit back and enjoy your amp sleuthery, wizardry and Jedi-level knowledge. I have two questions if you don't mind. 1. Without considering cost - what is your *favorite* speaker for a Deluxe Reverb Reissue? 2. What is your recommendation for the fastest or best way to break in a new speaker? Thanks for any feedback you can provide.
@PsionicAudio3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Favorite speaker for a DR depends on the playing style, but for the quintessential '60s Fender sound the WGS G12C is perfect. And the best way to break a speaker in is to play through it. But if you are inpatient, play bass-heavy music through it. I'm partial to Paul's Boutique but almost anything with the 808 will get the speaker moving.
@wrekkingcru3 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio - Thanks for the feedback. I have a mod'd DRRI with a Weber 12F150 25W that sounds pretty darn good, but am interested in potentially trying something else. I use this for clean to crunch tones in the Country, Surf, CCR, Petty/Campbell vein. I just checked and there is also 50W version of this same Weber speaker.
@fiddlix3 жыл бұрын
They all sound fantastic. Including your strat.
@etiquettemona3 жыл бұрын
So you recommend a Katana over the Vibro Champ Reverb? Really? I respectfully disagree :) I have played the other Fender ’68 series amps and I was underwhelmed, hissy and noisy amps. I bought the new Vibro Champ Reissue and it is dead quiet. Fender get much flack for using the cheap Celestion 10-30 speaker, but to my ears it actually sounds really good in this amp. Also, many automatically suspect the reverb to be inferior to a real spring reverb but I have owned many amps with tubedriven reverbtanks sounding inferior to the CVC reverb. Since this amp has a ss rectifier it sounds more lika a mini-Twin than a mini-Princeton Reverb. This means there is no sag and high headroom for a little five-watter. With those ”limitations” in mind, try this with simgle coils: Treble at 4, Bass at 6, reverb at 3, Volume at 10 and back off the volume on the guitar. Voliá! Bonu fun: set the bass and treble both at 0 and full volume, instant oldtimey SF Vibro Champ! My favorite sound for home use right now is a Fender 5F2a princeton clone linked together with my Custom Vibro Champ. The Princeton is little mellow, the CVC has the blackface shimmer. I like it.
@jessesmith29062 жыл бұрын
Lol just got this used today and felt like maybe i should get a tone master or a boss katana artist after this video lol. How are you still liking yours?
@jackbyrd49212 жыл бұрын
The best sounding speaker that I ever had was 75 W celestians loaded in what was a butcher series PV cabinet. Yes it is subjective but this cabinet was great for hard rock and class crop in some ways. It's like ice cream as you say some people want rocky road some people want neapolitan. Or something of that nature. Keep them coming Lyle.
@tjnugent629 ай бұрын
Your 68 Custom Deluxe mods are great. You transformed that amp. I sent 2 of them back because of the hum out of the gate!
@Arthur_My_Dear2 жыл бұрын
I love what you’ve done to the Deluxe
@Satchmoeddie3 жыл бұрын
If you want to hear a good digital reverb, Andy Fuchs really did a great job implementing digital reverb in his amps. I wish other amp makers would take some PCB design cues from Mr. Fuchs too. The SPIN chip was developed by the guy who founded MXR way back when I was in still short pants.
@teleguy56992 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing some clarity to the 57 Custom Champ vs the 68 Vibro Champ battles. For a few hundred dollars more you have an heirloom piece imo that will hold it's value and possibly gain some and as you stated, in 10 years will you be able to replace parts on this Fender PCB? Add the quality pedals that you need to match the Vibro and you will always have an amp that will stand the test of time. I know you don't like 8 inch speakers, but for me as a primary bedroom player, it is more than enough for me. I have the Fender Super Champ X2 and for about half the price that amp hangs with the Vibro.
@weschilton3 жыл бұрын
Weird thing about the '65 DRRI... There are so many different special editions with their various speakers and tolex coverings... and yet none of them sound like a Deluxe Reverb to me except the standard one with the Jensen C12K speaker. And then I bought a vintage 1967 Deluxe Reverb with an original '66 Jensen speaker and... OMG what a tone! Funny thing though, when I had it serviced after buying it, the first thing the tech recommended is that I change the speaker, and he gave me a list of various unobtainium to look for. Hahaha! Everyone has their opinion as to what this amp should sound like. Although I am intrigued by the Altec Lansing 417-8H... heard a LOT of stories about that speaker in a Deluxe in LA during the 80s
@BryieURuncal202310 ай бұрын
Speaker coil can detached from cylinder as well the cylinder detach from cone. Cone suspension detachment makes noise. Speaker disassembly may be appropriate for repair.
@oldguy53813 жыл бұрын
Dude you should play more in your videos you did good. that blue fire breathing dragon, dam good mod.
@jazzsounds81593 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you played through the Vibro 68. Was going to buy 1 not now.
@jonl78193 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with you on changing the 65 speaker. It’s a new amp once I put a creamback in it. I also clipped the bright cap.
@matthewf19793 жыл бұрын
Very good choice of speaker. In any amp really. If you ever want a more “authentic” tone, the Weber 12F125, 30 watt, light dope speaker does the early 60’s Oxford tone with more bass. The 12F150 is really good too but requires a lengthy break in.
@jonl78193 жыл бұрын
@@matthewf1979 Cool thanks Matt. I’ve heard good things about those speakers, but haven’t had a chance to play through one yet. I’m curious about the Alessandro as well.
@matthewf19793 жыл бұрын
@@jonl7819 The Alessandro speakers are fantastic. Especially for the price and availability. It’s actually my favorite speaker in he Deluxe Reverb, but the others are just as good. Just depends on what you want to do. Don’t hesitate to pick one up.
@WayneMemphisMojo3 жыл бұрын
I've enjoyed watching all the videos on these amps, thank for this closure video ... ill be replacing the 1030 on my new vibro champ reverb soon (Weber or WGS) ... it's making that resonate scraping sound but only on certain notes.
@modestoney1577 Жыл бұрын
In my humble opinion the Deluxe Reverb is the greatest diva in the amp world when it comes to speakers. It can sound horrible, average or glorious depending on which speaker you put in, and there are not too many that make it sound glorious.
@robbysguitars82233 жыл бұрын
I think i heard a bit of Floyd in there. I like that! Way to go, my friend.
@edwardhannigan63243 жыл бұрын
God, how do you choose..😁 They all sound fab..Ed..UK..😁
@chrisv9242 жыл бұрын
Having a Vibro Champ Reverb for a while now and I’m pretty sure the one you got there has an issue. It has happened to me a few times when i turn it on there’s a ratty low end clipping or odd sounding tone. I turn it off and on then it’s fine. Happened only a few times, but sounds similar. But overall yours in the video doesn’t sounds right… or anything like mine. And I swapped for the same WGS.
@coryman42452 жыл бұрын
I would love to have that super reverb mod on my 68 custom vibrolux reverb
@程林-g1m3 жыл бұрын
The blue color model
@middle_pickup3 жыл бұрын
Wait. The brown guy is a Deluxe Reverb Reissue?? That sounds so good.
@PsionicAudio3 жыл бұрын
The stock '65 RI ia a good sounding amp crippled by the later stock C12K or the earlier stock Eminence "Made for Fender" speaker.
@MichaelSmith-rn1qw3 жыл бұрын
My 1977 hand wired Deluxe Reverb had a Jensen C12Q speaker in it and I didn't like it. It broke up way too early at volume level 4, especially on the vibrato channel. I put in a Celestion Vintage 30 that's about 25 years old and the amp sounds much better. Oddly enough the Jencen C12Q sounds pretty good in my Carvin Vintage 16 (it outputs either 5 or 16 watt RMS). After finishing watching your video, I didn't like the sound of the Vibro Champ reissue. My original Vibro Champ was purchased in 1979, and had the small 8 inch speaker. I played thru that for many years, but then built a new cabinet and put in 2 10 inch Eminence speakers, and it is a great sounding amp! Of course, I still have the original cabinet with the 8 inch speaker in the event I ever decide to sell it.
@matthewf19793 жыл бұрын
Waiting patiently for the Park 150 videos! Man, I wish Fender would bring back the 6G3 Deluxe or any Brownface amp really. They did the Vibroverb in the early 90’s but it wasn’t too successful. Everyone wanted the AB763 Vibroverb, like SRV used a the time. That brown/wheat/tan combo is just gorgeous! Whom ever owns that brown ‘65 reissue picked a killer version of it. The reissue C10K is horrible in those amps. The Weber 12F125, 12F150, Eminence GA12 SC64 and the Celestion G12H75 sound killer in my hand wired Deluxe Reverb. Replacing the speaker is the biggest tonal change you can do to an amp.
@Andy_Yates3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure you know this because I see you comment on the same things I watch. The Suhr Hombre is John Suhr's take on the 6G3. I picked one up after watching him talk about it on a Tone Talk episode. It comes with a Celestion V-Type and sounds great to my ears. I'd love for Fender to reissue it too because it would then be a Fender. I haven't built one yet because I have enough home brew stuff that I don't need more amps that will be hard to sell 😂
@matthewf19793 жыл бұрын
The Hombre is a great deal too. If you ever get curious about a speaker swap, the 75 watt Creamback is killer for that amp. A bit more headroom for what cleans there are and a creamy overdrive.
@PsionicAudio3 жыл бұрын
I played the Hombre. Thought it was great but I didn't like the VType. Too middy. And I like mids. I think the Creamback 65 or 75 would be the ticket.
@OzJazrok2 жыл бұрын
ET-65 is based on G12-65 from the early 80s
@TheStimpy603 жыл бұрын
Strat sounds great, I have Kinmans in my ‘90’s MIJ Tele. There is so much speaker info packed into the first minute of this video ! Have you ever thought of writing a book of all the stuff in your head ? Maybe hire a transcriber to listen to your videos and write it all down 😲
@PsionicAudio3 жыл бұрын
No one wants all the stuff in my head. ;)
@jonnybeck67233 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio Don't be too sure... I could dig at least some of it
@DustinHaggerty-lj1ix2 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio I would buy that book 👍 so glad you are passing your knowledge on in any form.
@jessesmith29062 жыл бұрын
So i took your advice and replaced my vibro champs speaker with a wgs G10C and it sounds decent But there is no over driven tube sound any more around 6-7. Isn’t 75watt rating way to high for a small combo where it will just sound sterile and never break up? Wouldn’t a veteran have been a better fit?
@PsionicAudio2 жыл бұрын
You weren't hearing "over driven tube sound" then. You were hearing the stock speaker falling apart. The owner of this amp wanted as much headroom as possible out of the Vibro Champ. I decreased the mids resistor too - between that and the G10C he was very happy. If you had been the client and had wanted more grunt I might have recommended something else. Speaker choice is like ice cream flavor. One person wants subtle pistachio gelato. The next wants a whole tub of rocky road. Neither is wrong.
@jessesmith29062 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio i use pedals to get the over driven tones. It sounds good is louder with more head room
@jessesmith29062 жыл бұрын
And I’m shocked! You’d pick up a boss katana over the vibro champ? What model were you thinking of the artist 100? Or how about a deluxe reverb tone master
@PsionicAudio2 жыл бұрын
Katana sounds better and is more flexible and costs less. With any of these disposable amps, very much including the "Tone Master" series, spend as little as you can. I'm not up on variations of the Katana, but there is a 100W for about $400. That's about right for what you get and how long it will last.
@dangitdan9938 Жыл бұрын
If they can put a tank in the blues Jr they should put one in the Vibro champ, especially for the price. Bummer...
@stevesuv2 жыл бұрын
put a Weber 8 in the Champ.
@hermestrismegistus34172 жыл бұрын
I just got hold of a vibro champ for a discount. Are there any other good speakers you would recommend swapping in?
@alainkempa2139 Жыл бұрын
The G10C is a 8ohm speaker? The vibro champ has a 4watt stock speaker.I understand the G10C sounds better but i wonder if the impedance mismatch has drawbacks? Why did you not chose a ET10 4 ohms? I am considering buying the vibro champ and first action will be speaker swap...
@PsionicAudio Жыл бұрын
That was a long time ago. I put in the same impedance as the stock, whichever that was. So if 4 then I put in a 4.
@stratslinger39212 жыл бұрын
Hi, out of interest do you think the 68 Pro Reverb is a good amp? Considering the Vibro Champ is underwhelming
@qtoshi61263 жыл бұрын
Vibro Champ...
@dingalarm Жыл бұрын
The overdriven tone on the blue Deluxe Reverb (~ 2:30) sounded very harsh & unpleasant.
@christophervincent84202 жыл бұрын
? Question. Is it worth buying a 1971 or 79 Fender Champ?
@PsionicAudio2 жыл бұрын
Depends on your needs. They are very low in output.
@christophervincent84202 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio yes. It is mainly for practice. I just don't know if they are "good" amps. This one is just a champ with no reverb or vibro if you will. I just don't know if they usually need "work" to make them a better amp.
@chrisv924 Жыл бұрын
That is bad example of a Vibro champ reverb. I have one and i put in the same GWS and it sounds so much better… clearer and fuller. Sweeter.
@jessesmith29062 жыл бұрын
For the custom 68 vibro champ reverb would you recommend the g10c or the red g10c/s?
@PsionicAudio2 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried the C/S speakers.
@julimateu4 ай бұрын
Hi Lyle, I’ve just received a second hand Custom ‘68 Vibro Champ (original owner bought it new on January) and it sounds dull, also reverb doesn’t sound like it should, only quiet, short and like very far away. There’s a hum too in the background that doesn’t go away. What would be your bet on what’s going on with it? Thanks!
@PsionicAudio4 ай бұрын
See if it’s under warranty. Hum/dullness could just be tubes but the reverb in this is digital, so warranty is your (brief) friend.
@julimateu4 ай бұрын
@@PsionicAudio Thanks so much!
@voxpathfinder15r3 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the eminence legend 1058 for a replacement 10” speaker?
@PsionicAudio3 жыл бұрын
It's pretty good. A little vanilla but not a bad speaker.
@voxpathfinder15r3 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio I have good luck with them in my 2x10 fender Princeton chorus
@nicolasRebagliati3 жыл бұрын
Witch speaker do you recommend for a custom 68 princeton?
@PsionicAudio3 жыл бұрын
It really depends on what playing styles you're after. Jazz? Blues? Country? Want it to rock? There is no one size fits all option. I mean, many speakers cover a lot of territory but I recommend different speakers to different players.
@nicolasRebagliati3 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio mmm thats my “general purpose” amp. But more blues tone. Now that I have you here, I gonna take it to a tech because the reverb is very noisy. Do you know if its a common problem or maybe its something weong with it?
@PsionicAudio3 жыл бұрын
The 68 PR shouldn't have noisy reverb. Could just a tube. For gen purpose and to be really good for blues, I'd recommend the WGS ET10.
@davidsimpson33803 жыл бұрын
@@nicolasRebagliati mine got noises too, cleaning the tube socket cured it ..... also if you want a longer reverb decay like the original you can remove the foam that’s in the center of the reverb tank as it halves the decay from 4 seconds to 2 .... cheers
@shckltnebay3 жыл бұрын
Throughout the ages Fender has put the cheapest junk speakers in their amps except for the early tweed amps. Do you think any of these are worth the new price?
@PsionicAudio3 жыл бұрын
Not really. But the used market is crazy right now, so...
@dustinarnold792 жыл бұрын
What model is the blue one
@PsionicAudio2 жыл бұрын
Regular 65 RI DR. Just blue tolex. And a Creamback 75, which is great.
@dustinarnold792 жыл бұрын
@@PsionicAudio man I really was fixing to order a vibrochamp reverb lol you ruined it for me I saw a fee demos where it sounded great
@PsionicAudio2 жыл бұрын
Um, sorry?
@frankpotter5936 Жыл бұрын
My new stock Vibro Champ sounds a lot better. I think there is still something wrong with that one.
@Satchmoeddie3 жыл бұрын
Fender puts a lot of pure garbage speakers in their amps today, and Jensen's of the 1960s were USA made. The Jensen speakers of today are made by Sica of Italy. I have a stash of real Jensen P10 or P12Rs, Qs, Ss, Ns, and C8-C15 Rs through Ns. The old Jensen P12S or C12S had tiny motor magnets. They were okay for 12 Watts and under.
@shckltnebay3 жыл бұрын
The only good old speakers were the Jensen P12s and C12Ns imo
@guitarsarelikestupid7200 Жыл бұрын
A friend had a Boss Katana and a Vietnamese made "Marshall" amp with about 100 different effects on board of the Marshall and both to me sounded 🤮!
@imannonymous77072 жыл бұрын
Destupidfied lol
@johnsmith-ug5tp4 ай бұрын
Thank you once again for exposing these subpar problematic amps. Amps are like guitars, Ya have to do your research and spend a nice chunk of change to get quality guitars and amps. Fender is really dropping the ball, even with their new $3000 HW amps. I will be steering clear of them from now on.