PSO2 NGS FORCE GUIDE | Theorycraft & FIRE | Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis Class Guide

[@everydere]

Edit (6/26/2021): A viewer pointed out there might be a small iFrame window on Talis' Weapon Action start! I've had this happen a couple times, so I'm not completely sure if it was lag or real. (EDIT:6/27 ITS REAL. Super short but works!) Thank you all for watching everyone! I appreciate all the support, also apologies for rhyming at the start, I have no clue what came over me. I also stream @ www.twitch.tv/everydere @ 4pm-7PM PDT Tues & Weds! Follow my Twitter @everydere for updates on what I'm doing. I Hope you all have a great day!

[@-Jesus-Kun-]

can confirm started using it after einhander pointed it out, its pretty strict but works you have to dash after to make it safe and/or dodge multi hits attacks by going into another or a counter

[@mallibuu25]

What weapon you have in Force build?

[@-Jesus-Kun-]

@@mallibuu25 not sure if u meant me but i currently run 2 Multis on my RA/FO build Launcher/Talis and Rifle/Rod

[@everydere]

@@mallibuu25 For me, I use Resurgir Talis+Rod but I'm contemplating on just using the Straga Rod instead and praying to not get hit. Hope that helps you out!

[@VinceVanished]

In my opinion if you want to go all in with force you can go force/techter and if you use both rod and talis you can use techter skill points to get barta/zonde blat and also use some points to get your talis skills so you can save force points for something else

[@everydere]

I agree, techer and force have a lot of overlap so you dont actually have to get skills on both sides. I think overtime, I might do either TeFo or FoTe just to have the skills be basically shared (Although I'm kinda leaning more towards TeFo since I havent had shifta+Deband in my last couple UQs)

[@XDD50Hz]

I'll actually recommend staying in close range with the enemy as a rod user (should it be force main or force sub) and grab every counter you can get, since the rod WA is VERY generous in terms of and the added benefit of PP recovery can let you never have to worry about pp management. on top of that, elemental bullet can help with elemental downs and it'll boost your dmg by a relatively significant margin. I will say this thou, the only draw back of staying close to your enemy is that you might mess up the rod PB and not hit the weakspot since it has a very weird hit box at point blank range. I'm planning to make a rod/rifle multi for my ra/fo or fo/gu, since the spreadshot and spreadshot quick getaway skill for rifle are essentially free dps and a get out of jail free card and the gu sub gives you atk pp recov and overwhelm. And you can ra/fo to get access to BR and cater yourself to the support role while not completely losing your dps since you are still playing aggressively for the counters. Another amazing thing about the rod/rifle multi is that the foursis series potential gives you another safety net should you fail to counter the enemies' attack, it's just the icing on the cake. you can easily find synergies in these classes and they're imo the most well suited class pair.

[@everydere]

I agree the WA on Force Rod is ridiculous and does a surprisingly good amount of damage, it really does promote consistently countering! For the Rod PB issue I usually use my Talis PB instead since I find it hits more consistently when tooo close. ALSO! I did not even realize Foursis had Rod+Rifle so I'm definitely going to do that combo! (I really enjoy Ranger+Force) Thanks for sharing your indepth insights by the way! I didn't even think about doing that weapon combo for RaFo/FoGu

[@XDD50Hz]

@@everydere yeah especially atm we have gigantix, foursis series is actually a very good backup plan for the gigan hunts. i really think people don’t really give foursis series enough credits but I think low dps is still better than no dps. it’s a good place to begin for new players to learn the dodges and counters when bossing.

[@XDD50Hz]

@@everydere I really enjoy your breakdown and your takes on the class and weapons, and what I enjoy specifically about your video series is that you actually talk about the usage of different techs and PAs in some situations, imo that is way more helpful to those who want to start getting into the class than just reading off the class skill description and stuff. Keep up the good work man!

[@ogletret]

Great video, always appreciate your format. You’ve covered just about every class now. As a first time PSO player your videos have been essential to me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on the state of the game/future updates. And maybe updates videos when more skills come out.

[@everydere]

Thank you so much! I'll definitely start moving onto state of the games/thoughts on the game after Wednesday's Techer guide (+ the game has been out long enough for me to give a proper opinion on it imo). Also I'm really happy my videos have allowed you to enjoy the game more! That's honestly my main goal making these, is to help get more people into one of my favorite MMORPGs!

[@KeyBladeChaserVen]

I was using Gunner as my subclass for the extra PP gain while attacking as well as 3 armors with the Fixia Enthusia. I usually got all my PP back after 3 normal attacks with Rod.

[@everydere]

Ohh i run a similar setup, except i have 2x Fixia since my Geant Armor piece doesn't have any Presets on it. FoGu is ridiculous active PP recovery on top of the natural PP recovery main class Fo gives

[@Zeomantic]

"Elemental blight has decided the fight!" Love it!

[@everydere]

Thankies Zeo!

[@itsmesoru]

Right now I'm Force/Ranger or TecherRanger I use a TalisLauncher multiweapon, since elemental downs are going to happen more often with tech spam, having quick and easy access to Sticky Bomb and Fear Eraser makes sure you make the most out of every dps window, which will be happening a lot~ Rifle homing darts is still one of the best mobbing tools, but I bet combining it with Gizonde can be very good. Rifles wepact recovers pp, launcher wepact recovers pp, talis wepact recovers pp, then theres the talis active skill, and the force actives, you just might never run out!

[@everydere]

Ohhh I didn't even think about combining Homing Darts with Gizonde! Also that's A LOT of PP regeneration I can't wait to try this out later today! Thankies for sharing your class combo!

[@itsmesoru]

@@everydere If you want to focus on elemental downs and dps windows for more Fear Eraser, i recommend Techer/Ranger! ShiftaDeband is amazing :D

[@everydere]

@@itsmesoru I'm definitely going to try that out! I am a huge fan of Shifta+Deband so I can't wait to play tons of Techer!

[@-Jesus-Kun-]

Ra/fo's pretty good also i run 2 MW talis/launcher and rifle/rod so keeping a mark applied isnt hard, it makes techs hit harder kinda making up for the 10% diff of class weps while still getting all the pp benefits of fo and being able to maximize ur eraser and homing darts dmg

[@itsmesoru]

@@-Jesus-Kun- For me, I use TalisLauncher and WandRifle Imagine labs 2, youve homing darted all the mobs, but those pesky dolls are still alive! you can use wands chargeable PA to home in, and deal really good damage! Sometimes, its enough to kill them ;D

[@ArgonPSO]

The counter shots are so good for passive pp regen as well since you get some on block and when the shots connect. I really like the rod for dueling since I can go for parries whenever an attack comes my way. When I don't have agro though, I swap to talis for faster attack speed + less cost for those downs. I feel like talis is the key to optimizing force play as well; When you have agro your rod is your best damage output through parries, but when you don't have agro the talis can really shine for elemental downs and more consistent damage. I feel like it's really underrated atm, because not all classes have a tool like that by default. Hunter and fighter lose out if they don't have agro for example because a lot of their sustainability and damage comes from parries.

[@everydere]

Yup I agree, when I started Force i used primarily my rod, but slowly ended up shifting more towards my Talis as time went on. Now I'm using mainly my talis when I can't get enough counters in.

[@rightful4973]

Force is my favorite main class but it definitely feels like one of those classes that won’t really be going super crazy till later on, when more skills and techniques are available to it as well as SP.

[@everydere]

Yup! I feel like when winter rolls around, SEGA is going to start turning force into a *force of destruction* ba dum tssssssssss

[@thecardblazer7440]

I am someone who wants to get into mmo games but not sure which to jump into and your vids help make my choice. Once I get my pc built ima play pso 2 ng

[@everydere]

Yay! Welcome to MMOs! I also specialize in Final Fantasy XIV, incase you have any questions about that MMO if you want to try it out!

[@thecardblazer7440]

@@everydere thanks just gotta wait for the parts but I got your vids on the classes to pass the time

[@pitwandesu2459]

May the Force be with you

[@everydere]

Omggg I didn't even think about saying that for the force video OTL

[@michaelseher8824]

Fo/Hu here. using Rod/Wire. Wire Weapon Action is really good for air climbing or getting in fast. Zip yourself up there like spiderman, then laugh as Attacks miss u while u rain death from above.

[@everydere]

Interesting combo, I havent seen that yet! I'm definitely going to go and try it out thanks for sharing!

[@michaelseher8824]

@@everydere Im using the 4* Foursis. Not much choice in that Series. Wire seems like best pick. Also, that 4* Potential lets me survive Gigantix hit. No 1 Shots allowed.

[@anansiweb9917]

Force/bouncer is really good. Bounce in fact takes care of the need for barte and zonde blots.

[@muiz9662]

Force is my main since base PSO2 ❤️ Always waiting for light and dark tech to come out, I'm pretty sure the animations will looks good !

[@everydere]

Ayy Its so nice to see a class loyalist in NGS! I can't wait for light and dark techs as well. Imagine how sick ilgrants is going to looks now! Also I can't wait for Compound Techs as well! I feel like it'd be really cool for Force's identity in the future, to be the one who has access to Compound Techs due to rod!

[@georgeahl1372]

I play force main any idea how long before we get new techniques?

[@everydere]

@@georgeahl1372 Most likely sometime in Winter (Class Skill Update + level 30 Uncap), if we get new techniques before then I'd be actually legitimately surprised

[@Tezz.]

You forgot to add that charged attacks imbue the rod with that element. Also Vialto launcher multi is what I did, fun poke pp recovery and the grenade is nice when you time it to go off and can keep bosses CC'd so long :3

[@everydere]

Ohh i love the vialto launcher combos!

[@Hafiere]

I run Ra/Fo - I mainly focus on weak bullet and elemental downs when hunting bosses.

[@jaylin6663]

The rod with the launcher is a good multi weapon combo because you can throw bombs at your target for additional damage and the normal attack is good for Dodging. Without having to have gunner as your subclass subclass. I use spear on the obscura rod to have a diverse moveset. Hunter is my subclass so I can use the PA of the other weapons.

[@Shinntoku]

I swear every time I watch a non-ranger video my head ends up spinning at the end. They all look so complicated and demanding, but AR goes brrrrrrrrr

[@everydere]

Honestly Ranger is one of my favorite classes from how simple yet effective it is LOL

[@Zer0Perplexity]

The AR feels rather underwhelming whenever I use it, at least compared to the Launcher. But I probably would need to get my Ranger to lvl 20 before I make up my mind about it.

[@Shinntoku]

@@Zer0Perplexity the lower numbers per hit can definitely feel underwhelming, but imo the ability to pretty much constantly be attacking and moving to avoid damage evens it out.

[@Shinntoku]

A common tactic I use is targeting the biggest DOLL enemy in the group, fire off Homing Darts until my PP is drained, and then circle-strafe around the DOLL with regular attack/weapon action to regen my PP. Then once Homing Dart has taken care of the smaller enemies, I swap to Razing Shot to finished off the tougher ones

[@social3ngin33rin]

All ranged in NGS is quite easy mode :) Maybe they will change up enemies and add in new bosses to make ranged more worried, unless they purposely want ranged to be more relaxed

[@ok4yboi929]

Force/Techter sub/main with fighter main/sub is Goated

[@Ruriko-Is-Playing]

I use Te as a subclass since I did not add pp convert and put everything on pp Regen and skipped blot and clad While my Te has the blot and clad and the tali's skills Soo Te is specifically just my sub to improve me Fo

[@everydere]

When we get another skill tree reset, I'm definitely doing that! ATM I have blot+Clad on both classes along with the talis skills so it really double dips which isnt necessary at all (I might use that free skill tree reset to reallocate+fix up my subclasses to fit more of my playstyle now that I'm one class from finishing my series)

[@lege3018]

I'm currently using Gunner as subclass. I've found that Talis's weapon action benefits from the offensive PP recovery skills, raising that 2 PP per hit to 2.4 PP vs bosses and 2.8 PP vs mobs in single-target deployment. With a multiclass rod/talis weapon, I almost never need to use long chains of normal attacks as Fo/Gu. That said, I'm with the impression that Techer is overall a better tree for bossing. I've had way too many instances in which my Photon Blast was not charged in time for an UQ's boss Break lately that I'm valuing that extra recharge more.

[@everydere]

Ooo Thanks for the exact PP Numbers! I was wondering how much Talis' WA pp regen would increase with FoGu. Also I agree, after playing techer, the extra PB generation + access to shifta and deband, makes techer feel like a better bosser (Maybe SEGA will do something for Force like compound techs in the future?)

[@lege3018]

​@@everydere I meant Techer in the context of subclass for Force; Fo/Te seems better at UQs than Fo/Gu. As main class, Force should still be a better bossing class simply because Photon Flare is a big boost to Photon Blast and Barta Blot damage (without the Short Charge skill). Better PP regen and having Photon Flare when using PP Convert is also great for burst windows, a.k.a. BREAK time on UQ bosses, when they take amplified damage. As far as I know, Techer doesn't have the same burst capability that Force does for those windows. Note that Photon Flare's +50 max PP is also very useful for Barta Blot, as it gives you room to spam 3 more uncharged Barta. That helps get the most out of these burst windows, and maybe an extra Barta Blot before going back to a more PP efficient rotation.

[@everydere]

@@lege3018 Ohhhh I see I definitely need to try that. Unfortunately my Photon Flare does have short charge (going to be resetting this soon since I only had it for testing purposes). And yeah, I'm 100% sure Techer doesn't have a similar burst, from my testing Wand was trailing behind for me compared to Rod. And my Rod was beating out my Talis (Focusing on Convergence shot) due to barta blotting. Overall, I REALLY need to try photon flare without short charge cause it's a 120% damage boost. But with shortcharge it dips down to 108% total (I have no clue if my math is off .9x*1.2x = 1.08x) which is a huuge difference when we're focusing on uncharged Bartas into Blot. Thanks for sharing all the insight by the way! EDIT: OH ALMOST FORGOT! What is your opinion on Charged Gifoie with Short Charge? I've been hearing it tossed around in random places, but I haven't really tested it. According to things I've heard, charged GiFoie on a boss under photon flare +short charge beats out other options but it sounds very skeptical since blot adds so much damage.

[@lege3018]

​@@everydere Someone took time to calculate the dps from each option in: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849159735792893952/853245479957168158/unknown.png DPS/SC stands for Damage Per Second under Short Charge (compared to Photon Flare without the skill). DPP is Damage per PP without accounting for PP recovery (and different players spend varying amount of points in PP Recovery Boost). Gifoie benefits greatly from Short Charge due to its unusually long charge, and is the only option with more than only a few 2% or 5% DPS increase with Short Charge. Compared to a 7-chain Barta Blot, spamming charged Gifoie under SC is a 15.36% increase in DPS. However, it doesn't account for elemental weakness, which is a 1.2 multiplier; if the enemy is vulnerable to ice, Barta Blot is preferable in terms of pure damage. However, SC charged Gifoie spam may still beat Barta Blot in that you benefit from natural PP regen on every charge, which works greatly with PP Conversion, while uncharged Barta spam leaves you starved for PP. The extra DPS that Barta Blot may get from targeting an elemental weakness is usually lost from having to regen PP back afterwards. There are more considerations. That also doesn't account for which technique is better at hitting a given weak point or place marked by a Blight Round. Second, elemental bullet from Rod parries don't benefit from SC, both in the bullet damage itself, and in the free Barta Blot stack applications. Third, SC Gifoie spam is much less demanding on your max PP, which leaves more room for augmenting your gear with other stats; meanwhile, uncharged Barta spam is really demanding on PP, even with Photon Flare's +50 PP, that you may have to sacrifice other desired stats in favor of PP-based augments and equipment. Last, charged Lightning techniques and Zonde-Clad still benefit from Short Charge, making it a useful skill in UQs. At the moment, I consider Short Charge a playstyle choice. If you like SC charged Gifoie spam, doesn't like the PP inefficiency of Barta Blot, doesn't want to gear towards max PP, and/or doesn't want to tie your Photon Flare to Photon Blast usage, you can opt for SC. If you prefer magnifying Photon Blast damage, exploit elemental weaknesses and/or love gearing towards PP, better avoid SC. Or maybe you just really want to be a pyromancer.

[@everydere]

@@lege3018 YOOOOOO Thank you so much! I'ma share the calculations + your comment with some of my friends who are wondering about that!

[@AbominablePoppy]

I’m using Gunner for my subclass since the PP recovery on regular attacks is nice. Just spam techs lol

[@everydere]

FoGu is always super fun to just have infinite PP! It also works the opposite, GuFo (this is one of my favorite class combos) can just spam 24/7 Aimless Rain in PSEs

[@AbominablePoppy]

@@everydere Okay, I’m definitely trying this later because that sounds equally as fun! Rod and gun go pew pew!

[@autumnbirdy4801]

Really interesting guide! I am sooo glad that I found your video. I definetly try that out soon. Thank you so much for sharing! Looking forward for more! :>

[@everydere]

Thank you! I hope my video was able to help you out! I also have other guides/overviews on my channel to help people see if they like a class!

[@ahmedessa6093]

i use forc as sub class nad fighter as my main and now i know element down i will useit morexd tnx for info

[@JayskaTeag]

To my knowledge, I think there is a small invulnerable window for Talis weapon action. I saw it stated on another video and swear I've done it two or three times

[@everydere]

Ohhh lemme edit the pinned comment, I've done it a couple times but I kinda just assumed it was a glitch

[@-LastStand-]

It sounded like a parry noise when i used it too.

[@valroniclehre193]

I use hunter as my main simply for the defensive stats. Force is my sub and I attack with rod almost exclusively. It's a very forgiving setup, and the damage loss is worth it for the security I can offer myself and my team. Gigantix hurt and sometimes I miss my parry.

[@everydere]

That's a interesting setup I haven't tried yet! Can confirm with how physique works on mainclass hunter, the -50% at like 1/5 is really ridiculous and basically a free 30s of damage on any class since you can't be killed + knocked back. Another interesting subclass choice now is Force+Braver since everytime you get knocked down on Braver, you regen 5% of your hp at 1/5 break fall, and I think it caps to 10%? Which is a pretty large amount of HP to recover every hit unless you get one shot.

[@coper3211]

I’m a new player and I’ve been using hunter/force. For hunter did you also only put 1 point into everything? I’m still loss on what to put my skill points on tbh especially with this type of combo

[@everydere]

@@coper3211 So for me, I use all three Hunter weapons so my Hu tree looks like this: 1 point into everything 1/10 Flash Guard 1/5 Hunters Physique now if you don't plan on using partizan, I would suggest to relocate those points into either Hunter's Physique (so you get more DR as a HuFo) or Flash Guard (to make your mainclass on Hu-Subs more tanky). IMO 1/5 Hunter's physique especially if you're maining hunter is already good enough since that's 50% DR which is absolutely nuts. Hopes that helps you out!

[@valroniclehre193]

@@coper3211 I don't use my hunter weapons so I maxed out Flash Guard and put one point into everything else in the top row. I have 5 points to play with if I ever decide to pick a hunter weapon up.

[@QualityTechSG]

Good video got confused when i thought i heard Horses lol. "Forces" sounds like "Horses"

[@everydere]

Thanks! I'ma be updating all of these relatively soon since we're getting the new PAs+ enough time has passed where these vids need an update due to huge skill changes (ex. Like Force becoming an absolute powerhouse in Retem)

[@getsinged7631]

My recommendation is just not to use Force as your main class, since the only thing you're losing is Photon Flare which isn't particularly useful in most circumstances. Techter/Force is great, giving your team access to Shifta/Deband while still allowing you to get elemental downs easily, Ranger/Force is also great, allowing you to apply Blighted Rounds and get elemental downs, and also having a good physical damage option in Launcher. Until Force gets a main class only skill that's worth it, Force just isn't worth using as a main class.

[@everydere]

Yup sadly, Photon Flare needs some severe changes for it to be worth it as PP Conversion is usable as a subclass

[@Shinntoku]

As a Ranger main this is what I'm here for. Ranger/Force definitely sounds like something I should give a try

[@getsinged7631]

@@everydere I don't even think Photon Flare itself is the problem, it does what it's supposed to do fairly well, which is to allow you to spam charged techniques fairly quickly, the real problem is that there just isn't much to be gained from spamming charged techniques in most cases. Some sort of buff to charged techniques themselves or maybe to the way Barta Blot and Zonde Clad work so that they benefit from spamming charged techniques would make Photon Flare a lot more enticing. I'm hoping they come up with something good, because I love the way casters play in this game.

[@everydere]

@@getsinged7631 Ohhh that's a very good point actually, they really need to change how clad+blot works cause at the moment, it's spam uncharged into charged. Honestly considering the popularity of casting classes in both NA and JP, I think SEGA will end up doing some adjustments come Braver's Release. Also I really love casters as well, so far I've been jumping between Ranger/Gunner and Techer/Force (did melee for a bit, but decided I just like the other classes more LOL)

[@matttownsend8406]

Well unless you going for elemental downs on force charged gifoie is just better damage regardless of elemental weekness. So on urgents I pop a Gizonde field and spam charged gifoie until zonde clad is up and then use charged zonde. Repeat. Also on ranger or tech as main, you only want one per party so after that the main class skills overlap and are wasted, whereas forces skill only effects them. I just want more elements techs to play with.

[@markwaldonjohnson]

Great video. Can you do good damage if you just want to charge ice and lightning? Do you get much more damage by stacking them? All the best.

[@everydere]

Thanks! Also you only can have one element active at a time, so the best use (assuming 1v1 boss), is to just match the element to the boss and proc the Blot/Clad with a charged move when it comes up. For AoE mobbing I just stick to Zonde since Zonde Clad makes Zonde hit harder and Zonde is an AoE-chain between enemies. But if you have a lot of those big belly mobs who block your hits, switching to any of the Bartas to imbue your jetboots causes you to freeze their bellies + makes it wayy easier. Hope that helps you out!

[@markwaldonjohnson]

Ok. Thanks for reply.

[@karumano8771]

Currently im the one mad Person that goes Force/Braver with 74% tec potency and 45,9% melee potecy . Idea was after a elemental down spam katana in the face and hope for additional phys down , also the extra Heal power and crit rate is nice.

[@adrianespasandin6883]

I use force/gunner with a rod/tmg multiweapon. With the tmg weapon action to get mobility and the with the normal attack if the tmg i feel that i recharge PP much faster.

[@everydere]

Yup! I run the same setup sometimes especially during PSE bursts, and the extra active PP recovery from gunner sub really makes my PP go infinite!

[@vinny9500]

I play Fo/Te. This allows me to max out PP Recovery Boost on the Fo tree and put points into talis and the barta/zonde skills on the Te tree. I can also use my photon blast pretty frequently due to maxing out Weak Element Amp and Awake Aile.

[@everydere]

That's definitely something I'm going to be using my skill reset pass on! I allocated my points on Techer shortly after I got the full SP and went "WHOOPS, just realized I'd be playing the combo of either FoTe/TeFo" meaning I just double dipped LMAO. Ranger + Gunner has something similar with Spread Shot where you might not use Gunner's rifle so the extra points can be used towards Overwhelm+PP Recovery (But a combo like FiGu, might use the rifle for homing darts AoE)

[@Paku_Pori_Mugu]

Personally I've used Techter as sub because it allow me to get all 3 Talis skills,.Barta Blot and Zonde Clad which frees up 5 SP on Force tree. I put rest of Techter SP into Weak Element Amplifier and Awake Aile.

[@everydere]

I definitely like that combo of FoTe since it frees up a lot more SP on Force + Techer depending which one you free up

[@keviny.feliciano5705]

Love the vid man

[@everydere]

Thank you so much! I hope you're having a great time in NGS!

[@JimJimpmjj]

Any updates on these builds? As now there's more skill points Available and new skills?

[@everydere]

I haven't made any updates yet! but for Force specifically if you ignore all talis skills on the tree, put 1 into pp conversion + PP conversion increase you'll be able to max out ALL skills at the moment. IMO this is the way to go currently with the retem update since rods are ridiculous compared to talis again. Hope that helps you out!

[@Sargatas]

Actually I've never thought to play force myself, but I like when I have 2 of them with me at boss fights, especially urgent bosses, so I can do like in a meme with the bucket. THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE!!!

[@everydere]

Having a Force or Techer in your MPA is always really nice! I love it everytime I see them, because I know the boss is going to be elemental downed constantly♥

[@HitomiOokami]

I'm Maining Fo-Rod though I wish I had the points to also put into Talis while keeping the higher PP Recovery Boost. At first I was subbing Fighter-TwinDager focus as I really love how those feal for targeted smacking.. however I moved to HU sub with a focus on Wire-Lance for not only the chase down aid but the AoE mobbing, I swapped to it as a sub as one of the really nice key wire-lance only features requires Hu for the weapon action change via skill points, depending on how its inputted such as the Lasso move which not only counts as a non pp move meaning stupid fast pp regen is a wide multi hit aoe with potential to stagger targets. Else I'd have just kept fighter and slapped a wire-lanc multi on some'n lol. Now as for hardware I use a Logitech G600 MMO mouse along with the sadly discontented but amazing Logitech G13 Gaming Keypad. between the two I have 49 keys (including right/left/middle-mouse) and thus full access to the entire 1-0 sub bar where I put some of my elemental techs, easy weapon swapping via key rather than wheel-scroll, and sub-bar flipping not that I've needed it yet.

[@everydere]

Wow that setup for G600+G13 sounds amazing, I was thinking about getting a gaming keypad since FFXIV had that Hori keypad

[@HitomiOokami]

@@everydere If you can find it the FFXIV edition of the Hori Keypad would be the best alternative to the G13, it was designed with Yoshi-P (Director of FFXIV) who also used the G13, I assume he got in touch with Hori after something happened to his G13 maybe. Razer also has options for similar though their directional pad is digital rather than Analog I'm told. like in the G13 and I think the FFXIV-Hori there is a full mini Analog Joystick like in Xbox or PS Controllers. Ironically I don't use the analog mode much but it's really nice to have the option cuz for some games it gives that ganilar control you don't get with a Digital full on or full off button.

[@everydere]

@@HitomiOokami Ohhh thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely check to see if the Hori pad is available anywhere (I learned about this one from watching the Live Letter where Yoshi P was demoing it), but if it's not then down the road i might look more towards the Razer. Unless logitech suddenly decides to combine their lightspeed technology with a keypad and do something like a G13 Lightspeed Edition

[@Bearpapa1214]

nice guide~ which weapon camo you using? can a new player get it now ? look cool~

[@everydere]

Thankies! The weapon camos used are: * Bix Sanjiko (This is rod) * Astrokone (This is the talis) You can obtain them from the OG PSO2 Player Shops, but they might be a bit pricey! If you want them, I would recommend to level up to 50 in OG PSO2 then just do your weeklies for 2m~ish meseta a week for free. Hope that helps you out!

[@Bearpapa1214]

@@everydere wow, thats a lot info, ty sir~

[@Kursakai]

I'm currently not sure if I should go Force/Ranger or Ranger/Force. Currently, Photon Flare feels pretty underwhelming for it to be the main Class. But the way I plan on playing is to get some elemental downs on the enemy and switch to a Launcher and blast away. Sadly, going RA/FO makes it so that until elemental down I lose 10% damage which can be quite a long time for a relative small window of damage

[@everydere]

Yeah that's a tough choice, personally for me I've been using RaFo (mainly for Force's PP Convert+PP recovery/gain). I haven't really tried for going for elemental downs that much yet but my playstyle is more centered around PP dumping 24/7 with Rifle+Launcher

[@IngaToyo]

I'm curious about the Photon Blast, as someone in my alliance had mentioned that I shouldn't be up close to use it. To quote "You shouldn't even be SUPER up CLOSE to the boss, Force should take distance." Although I was pretty much mid range of a downed Nex Aelio using it. Does it somehow affect the amount of damage output if I were "close"?

[@everydere]

So when you're too close, I notice I actually miss some ticks of damage from some jank in NGS. I think that's what the person in your alliance is referring to

[@shadowjudge921]

I've mostly avoided Force because it always sounded more like a support class. But now, i'm wondering if I was overthinking it...

[@everydere]

OHH you should definitely try it out now! This video was made pre-Retem, and Force was slightly behind the curve by a small margin. BUT as of Retem, Force is ridiculously powerful and imo contender for the strongest class in the game now. The latest NGS headline (3/1/22) showcased Force and Techter both receiving access to Compound Techs which will heavily increase their damage as well! ATM with Retem, the big update is that Rod is wayyy more deadlier and you get 130% more damage when the target is downed. If you wanna see the new Compound Techs + new PAs coming out, here's a link to SEGA's latest headline! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGXIe6RjrKd3mc0 New PAs/Compound Techs are around the 20min-ish area.

[@dierhernoto4878]

May i know the weapon camo name? and also skill tree build

[@everydere]

Hi Hi! my weapon camos are called "* Bix Sanjiko" for rod which you can purchase right now, and "* Astrokone" for talis which comes from OG PSO2 player shops. For skill tree build, grab everything, 1/5 PP conversion, rest into PP Recovery Boost. You can ignore Talis skills if you don't want to use them, but I generally took them since I use Talis on TeFo, and this means I can ignore Blot/Clad on TeFo + Talis skills as well. A comment chain here by Lege, did some DPS calculations and showcased that Short Charge photon flare went from a playstyle choice, to basically necessary since it HEAVILY boosted your DPS and gives Force a pretty insane burst rotation. Hope that helps you out!

[@shanghigh20]

Just started like 2 weeks ago i do force and sub is fighter

[@sercesco3601]

hey whats the weapon camo please?

[@selestewashington-mennen7550]

Lol i too wanna know

[@everydere]

Hi Hi! Weapon camos are * Bix Sanjiko for rod and * Astrokone for Talis

[@nottobay6768]

I've been running fo sub on te and just using rod, not having pf is like feels bad man, but as many points as I have in shifta and deband I'm getting extra towards downs from that which is nice. Considering redoing my trees though, but first try it on ra main for weak bullet see how that goes.

[@everydere]

Yeah im considering redoing my trees as well after wednesday's Te guide (I currently have it distributed where it's accidentally double dipping Blots+Clads+Talis+Resta Fields in both trees).Also I hope trying out Ra main works out for you!

[@nottobay6768]

@@everydere yah apparently the ability to hold a rod and use it's normal attack doesn't come with the ability to use techs.

[@yoshimesho1781]

for now i made 2 characters both are cosplays Guts from berserk and Megaman for guts my main class is obviously hunter and my sub class is ranger, for megaman my main class is ranger and my sub class force.

[@everydere]

Yoooo that's really sick! And then when Braver comes out, make a third character and turn it into Zero and use the plasma blade katanas (I Forgot the name)

[@yoshimesho1781]

@@everydere sounds like a good idea

[@Sammickk09]

As i see people posting all these different combos it makes my head spin and i get confused on what to go for, but i wanted to put something out there and see what you guys think. In my mind.. wouldn't main classing techter and subbing force be better in the long run since you could use talis multiweaponed to a rod so you could use the turret and still have access to rod guard? Is there a DPS loss to your spells from using techter? plus you have access to both blots through either tree and Shifta and deband. Downsides i see are no rod bullet and photon flair. Maybe multi weapon talis with launcher in that case? let me know fellow force players opinions as i'm still using my legacy PSO2 gear because i can't decide what to sink my meseta and resources into XD

[@dukesmith2887]

Hello, 20 Fo 18 Te player here. The difference isn't nothing, but definitely not big enough in the current state to worry too much about which to main/sub. From my experience, Force - Rod is simply the highest dmg output if you're focusing on just using techs. If you want to flavor it up with the Talis/Launch MW then I'd say go for it, but objectively speaking it would probably perform under simply using Rod. Shifta/Deband is an argument in itself, but the only time it would really outdo straight rod as well is if you're in a group that needs a shifta/deband.

[@everydere]

Hi Hi as Duke pointed out, the difference really isn't that massive at the moment especially this early into NGS, so all the combos are pretty much people experimenting to find what they like. Personally for me for example, On FoTe/Gu/Fi I usually focus on a rod+talis combo for Barta Blot+Zonde Clad (Talis for consistent PP recovery). But when I switch to TeFo, my preferred weapon is actually a Talis+Wand with more emphasis on Talis. But for other combos i've seen, it really is down to experimenting at the moment to see what really fits your playstyle. (There's some very interesting combos in the comments)

[@ardemisv497]

Where'd you get the sword skin/outfit from?

[@everydere]

Hi Hi! The outfit comes from the Soldier Line scratch and the sword (Talis) is * Astokrone and the sword (Rod) is * Bix Sanjiko , both of these are available from base PSO2 player shops!

[@marcellaussmith1824]

Does main or sub matter if my goal is elemental downs?

[@everydere]

Nope you can trigger ele downs with talis+rod+wand as long as you have Fo or Te anywhere in your subclass setups! Talis is my preferred weapon to use for element downing since it also gives me access to the turrets which helps give some more PP management + free damage. Hope that helps you out!

[@Pachiku93]

Quick question: I want to play a mage type character but I've read online that using techter as a main with force as a subclass would make for a better caster than using force as a main class in any combination? What do you think?

[@everydere]

They fufill different roles tbh, Force has a better burst with photon flare (this will always line up with a burst phase), while Techter IMO does Talis even better but lacks a real burst. There's also a 10% potency difference due to Rod not being Techter's main weapon. So overall, the damage comes out to be -5%ish less on Techter Main (shifta gives 105%), per rod hit while talis would be strong by 5%. This is also not accounting for Burst Phases since Techter doesn't really have a way to burst. Usually I play force as a rod user, while I play TeFo when I want to use talis. Hope that helps you out!

[@Pachiku93]

@@everydere it did help. Thanks for the answer

[@jp-sn6si]

hi, if i wanted to make a sword user who throws occasional fireballs and stuff, would i be best off with force/hunter or tech/hunter?

[@everydere]

TeHu imo, because it's a pretty strong combination already since Te works with everything already, and you can toss out magic while having access to Shfita&Deband which increases your damage + everyone elses'. Hope that helps you out!

[@jp-sn6si]

@@everydere thanks man, great content.

[@everydere]

@@jp-sn6si Thanks! Hope you're having fun!

[@raidjelloplays8259]

I loved playing force in pso2 I dunno how I feel about how its changed here.

[@Mark-lj1pn]

are those extra fire techniques over lvl 15? i just started and i dont see the other two techniques

[@everydere]

OH do you mean the flare+explosion? Those are from when you fully charge the fire techniques. So basically the way it works is: Every Technique has 2 stages EX: > Uncharged (Fire Ball for foie) > Charged (Fire Explosion at location for foie) > Uncharged (AoE Fire for Gifoie) > Charged (Flare at target location for Gifoie) So basically every PA has a second form that you can access by either charging or uncharging the tech which gives different properties. Hope that helps you out!

[@Mark-lj1pn]

@@everydere ive been trying it out and im only getting the first stage technique for fire

[@Mark-lj1pn]

@@everydere how do you know when it is fully charged?

[@Mark-lj1pn]

@@everydere sorry lol i found the techniques

[@everydere]

@@Mark-lj1pn Op sorry for the late replies! (was finalzing today's vid) Glad you were able to find the techniques! Yeah it's kinda finnicky, and I'm not sure if the tutorial explains it since I have yet to do the force instructor tutorial LOL

[@ChaosDragon004]

Force/ gunner pp recovery is phenomenal 🙌

[@everydere]

Infinite PP for *years* !

[@Spriggen1337]

techter sub and take barta blot and zonde clad here on force it frees up points since and u still benefit from it

[@everydere]

Yeah Techter sub is really good to free up SP since a lot of the skills overlap (Blot+Clad+Resta Field)!

[@Specialk1982]

Can you play force as a CAST?

[@alexisesparza8683]

I need to know your fashion and how to get it pleaseeee

[@everydere]

Hi Hi! My fashion is Aelio Wardat from the Soldier line, Maikagura Fox Mask, Megumin Eyepatch, SEES armband, Two-Tailed Scarf! And Weapons are * Bix Sanjiko and * Astrokone

[@sinom]

Yeah I've been maining force in NGS, and I don't know if what I'm doing is right or wrong, simply because I can't find anyone else online that talks about it. For my subclass I basically ruined Tech to maximise elemental damage. Problem is I don't know what to use the rest of the points on. I should probably have gotten the healing field and lightning/freeze thing on Tech instead, and then put more points in pp conversion and/or pp recovery boost, but meh.

[@dukesmith2887]

If you have Techer filled out with all the support spots and still have extra points then you just have extra points. With the specs being so limited at the current time it's bound to happen unless you sub a class like Fighter that has 2 10/10 cost support nodes. If you're talking about extra points in Force tree, then just fill out pp recovery stuff.

[@everydere]

Yeah as Duke mentioned above, the extra points on Techer are pretty much just extra points that kinda sit there. We're pretty limited on different types of SP usage atm, but if you ever have any regrets about what you invested in, Braver's release in August will definitely provide us with skill reset passes per char (If SEGA chooses to do this again for NGS' life)

[@GillXM]

I redownloaded the game since i stopped playing at the same year this game was made and i redownloaded the game today and i see that your health is 318 while your pp is 144 my health is 286 and my pp is 108 im lvl 15 and idk where to go to get better gear for force lol do you have any suggestions? Also thank god i found this vid because my skill tree is TRASH filled with unnecessary points being used for other stuff on force😂😂

[@natalieknight327]

Does anyone have any weapon recommendations for force?

[@everydere]

Usually I use a combination of Rod/Talis, but Jet Boots now also work for a more Melee option if you're into that. Rod/JB is a combination I'm looking forward to making eventually to try out and I have a feeling it might work out!

[@ororomunroe8218]

I’m confused there is also wind…it’s green

[@Arkatlas]

i just like the tekken music :)

[@everydere]

Tekken has the best music!

[@signaturemoves4218]

you use all the tekken tracks in your vids? lol

[@nogamingz2785]

Finally

[@everydere]

Wednesday is gonna be the last one! (Techter)

[@nogamingz2785]

@@everydere didn't notice you actually already talk abt all classes

[@gurenlagan1307]

Force hunter..... C: I am a unkillable bastard lmfao. As for intresting techniques. Go to settings and crank sfx to maximum find your nearest pse burst location. And Thunder feel the thunder Lightning and the thunder thunder! Oh someone died? What im using wrong element? 0 n0 Thunder!!! > w

[@gurenlagan1307]

Side not it might seem like im joking but i maxed this clased purley on the enjoyment of that soundeffect and song playing in the bg.

[@everydere]

Same! I maxed Force from how awesome and satisfying all the techs are! (Also PP gain is amazing)

[@johnmiller2447]

I just want it as same as I had on DC….

[@wontol]

elemental-based classes are the most attractive looking classes in almost every MMO, but oh boy do i have the brain power to learn the piano for the second time KEKW anyway, great content as always

[@everydere]

Thankies! Also I can't wait for SEGA to give Force more elemental stuff to play with in winter LOL, it's going to be literally playing a piano on your subpalettes

[@wontol]

@@everydere imma go back to fighter and or the new classes, and hope that you're gonna make videos about them LMAO your style on explaining things are just superb

[@everydere]

@@wontol Oh I actually have a video for everyone on my channel! (Except techer, that one is the final one on Wednesday). Also for me personally i've gone back to Gunner (specifically GuFo for pp convert memes on burst), and I miiiiight switch to Braver when it comes out based on what Bow is like and if Katana is a counter machine LOL

[@wontol]

@@everydere aaaa, best of luck for your next vid! also, my fingers are clicking machine and my brain is dead so probably i'll be suck at countering LMAO and i'm really looking forward to both Summoner and Bouncer; and probably not gonna play any one of them until you make the guide videos about them lmfao

[@everydere]

@@wontol Thanks so much! Also I'm really looking forward to Summoner and Bouncer too! I'ma definitely try and pump out a breakdown for them ASAP (My true main is the gunblade class in 2022, but it's pretty far off). I can't wait honestly to see what Jetboots play like on Bouncer + New changes to dual blades. But more importantly, I REALLY can't wait to see what NGS Summoner is like. OG PSO2 Summoner was pretty difficult to get into and overall really confusing, so I really hope NGS' version is really accessible and fun!

[@profeniram8718]

Weapon Camo Name pls :)

[@everydere]

Hi Hi! Rod is called * Bix Sanjiko, and the talis is * Astrokone Hope that helps you out!

[@profeniram8718]

@@everydere the Talis one i cannot find on playermarket, is it so rare?

[@everydere]

@@profeniram8718 Oh my bad i made a spelling mistake! It's "* Astokrone" it came from ARKS Hour codes back in september, so there should be plenty of them (In OG PSO2)

[@profeniram8718]

@@everydere thx my man. Now my magic ninja outfit is complete

[@everydere]

@@profeniram8718 No problem! And Grats on the sick fashion!

[@Sean__with_Zunsol]

What weapon camo is that for talis?

[@Karma20XX]

The blue katana looking camo I think is Astrokone? It was the free Arks Hour camo originally for Hero class.

[@everydere]

Yup as KARMA said, it's called * Astrokone, it comes from the free ARKS Hour back in September but you can still purchase it for ~20m in OG PSO2 Player Shops (This is ship 2 pricing) EDIT: My Rod camo is also called * Bix Sanjiko if you want to get it as well (This is what makes it look like a sword on your back)

[@_Khalmyr_]

"If you are not playing fighter, you are literally leeching"

[@everydere]

I've actually seen that said ingame and I'm like "But... Techters give us Shifta+Deband, Force gives us Defeat Advantage damage (elemental downs), and Ranger gives us blight rounds T_T".

[@dennydharmawan4820]

1 tetcher, 1 force, 1 ranger, 5 fighters let's gooo

[@everydere]

@@dennydharmawan4820 THE DREAM TEAMMMM. Someone out there, do this cause I wanna see the speed LMAO

[@Shinntoku]

Insert old man shrugging meme: guess I'll leech then :P

[@auser6729]

@@everydere hunters chould also shift aggro but since almost everyone uses resurgir I'm pretty sure they WANT the aggro

[@slinksiamang747]

your mag looks kinda sussy

[@everydere]

Phantasy Star Online 2: New Gene- *SUS*

[@ssenefeld27]

:( Fo too good a subclass. Rip no way to make a main skill stree and sub skill tree (for free)

[@everydere]

Yeahhh I wish SEGA would give us atleast a way to purchase a second skill tree via star gems (since you can get these for free by playing the game).

[@stonedweeb6998]

im sorry but its pronounced Foe-E

[@everydere]

I was like 50/50 debating between pronouncing it as Foe-E and Foie (like foie gras) and just alternating between the two cause i have no clue LOL

[@stonedweeb6998]

@@everydere lol im just raggin good vid

[@everydere]

@@stonedweeb6998 LOL thankies!

[@baneintherain]

I agree with Foe-E. But yes, good video and keep up the excellent work. 👍

[@NPC_Nonstop]

Jokes O P Ll