PSO2 NGS | The ATROCIOUS Augment Transfer Pass Design That Will Ruin Your Entire Experience

[@Crashapple]

i feel like its valuable to remember, the point to EX transfers isn't that it costs no transfer pass, that's exclusive an eredim trait for now, rather EX transfer value is in the fact that it ONLY replaces EX augments rather than replacing everything, letting you swap out EX augments as you get different EX setups you want to use without losing all your BIS augments which is a genuinely good idea since EX augments have a lot of customization to them eredims due to not costing passes makes them extremely useful gear for building up BIS augs over time in preparation for future gear ...there should probably be better safeguards for when a transfer pass will be consumed though, considering most people wont notice the cost since the vast majority of time you EX transfer with eredims thus, some will end up in your situation and assume EX transfer is free

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

I actually moved my EX Augs to Winguard and Exelio series for free. It only costs the Augment Pass if you want to move all Augs and not just EX Augs.

[@Spikesxu]

That's what I understood as well. I thought that/interpreted it as EX-Augments could be transferred and that was the point of the system. But if you're trying to transfer EX Augments from a series that's not Eredim, to another series, it will cost a pass. Even if you first put EX Augments on that weapon. Which makes absolutely no sense. EX Augments alone should be transferrable for free. And exactly in regards to the safeguards. Because most people haven't even seen that, as they've only interacted with Eredim being the sole transferring body, which is free. Many people do not even realize that this is a thing. And as we start to move away from Eredims, many people are going to be caught by surprise by this.

[@Spikesxu]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 This is incorrect. I was only trying to move EX Augments. So what happened here is. -Xover with EX Augments -Exelio with EX Augments -EX-Augment Transfer Menu -Attempt to transfer EX Augments over to the Exelio. -EX Augments are transfered, but Transfer Pass is consumed. Xover retains its other augments, but the EX augments have been transferred as intended to the Exelio. However, Transfer Pass is consumed.

[@Crashapple]

@@Spikesxu its completely understandable for someone to actually come to this as an assumption given you pretty much never even make an attempt to EX transfer from anything other than eredims, so force of habbit can pretty easily have someone not notice the cost should it probably cost nothing to EX transfer even from non eredims? probably, given that's what a lot of people naturally would assume if nothing else there absolutely should be second confirmation step warning you if a pass will be consumed regardless, they take way too long to get as is already for it not to at least have a second warning

[@Spikesxu]

@@Crashapple Precisely

[@TheSquisheh]

SEGA: Adds two step confirmation screens for every single mundane menu action Also SEGA: Lets leave that out for (EX) Aug Transfers when it uses Transfer Passes.

[@Spikesxu]

Considering the rarity of Augment Transfer Passes & that the supply is directly regulated by Sega itself. There should be a HUGE extra prompt, unique to itself, in the center of your screen verifying & confirming the usage of an Aug Transfer Pass, in bright red letters. To make sure the user understands what is about to happen. More importantly, items like these need to be able to be locked. Takes months to obtain an actual Augment Transfer Pass, and can so easily be accidentally used. In the dam EX-Augment Transfer Menu of all places, at that. Like, NO ONE in their right mind is going to knowingly/willingly opt to use an Aug Transfer Pass to transfer just their EX Augs. If they wanted to transfer their EX Augs, they're likely on already equipped gear. So they would be transferring their ENTIRE gear over in the appropriate Menu title "All Augment Transfer". It's just poor design & adds a layer of confusion that's unnecessary.

[@45richardpurcell]

I watched your video and feel your Pain. I went to use my 2 transfer passes and found one MISSING😮 I can only assume that what happened to you happened to me as well. I thought I was working on my third pass, but now only my second because I must have used it by mistake. Off to work I go again. Great video.

[@Spikesxu]

Exactly. This is exactly what happened to me. Went to use it to transfer my Einea to my Ektasis and realized I no longer had a pass. Which is what triggered my hunt into my VoD to find out what happened, because I could've sworn I had one. Definitely a huge issue that needs to be addressed and have better safeguards/fail-safes. And thank you!

[@sonicboom53]

After seeing this, Im going to make a conscious effort to only exchange my 100 vouchers for a pass when Im at the step I intend to use it. To avoid any accidents like this.

[@Spikesxu]

Correct. If you got anything out of this video it's to please do NOT exchange your vouchers until the exact second you are going to 100% use your transfer pass. Do NOT convert your vouchers to an augment pass beforehand, otherwise this is extremely prone to happening. I would hate to see this happen to someone else, because it was pretty devastating when it happened.

[@lornelorne5727]

They did say from the very beginning when they explained the system (even before release) that it would work this way. They said both transfers will cost a pass unless Eredim is being used. Personally I understood this, but I've definitely seen a lot of confusion over this and other KZbinrs getting it wrong, so it's not just you. I think they made it easy for people to misunderstand this, because of how the first weapons with EX augments have the "free" bonus. So everybody's first experience with the system is with a weapon series that makes it free, so people think it's just always free... Would've been easier for people to understand if Eredim was released later on after people were already used to the system.

[@lornelorne5727]

I'll also add that even the "transfer all augments" option is totally free with Eredim, not just the EX transfer. That's another thing I've seen people misunderstand. I personally held off on Wingard because of this, and just kept my good augments on Eredim so I could freely transfer to the next thing.

[@Spikesxu]

Exactly. You definitely understand the grand scope of the issue. Because of how the system was implemented and what everyone is now accustomed to, it creates so much confusion which allows for something like this to be highly prone to happen. Even moreso for people who do not watch the Headlines, or people who have started playing after the initial release of the Eredims & Ex Augment transfer system. Because it's not as if it's readily presented knowledge within the game itself. It's too easy to misunderstand or get confused with the system, and when such a high value item is at stake, systems such as these need to be very clear-cut and cause absolutely no confusion. If it's some item you can obtain easily in 10 minutes, then you can get away with such a thing. But when it's an extremely scarce item that is regulated specific by SEGA releases, and is by far the most valuable thing in the game...Systems need to be put in place to prevent such things from happening. A buddy of mine mentioned something that really stuck. And is extremely simple to do. Simply make these types of items have to be selected in a drop down menu, the same way we have to do for Protection items. Just that in itself would be enough to drastically help safeguard or fail-safe an occurrence like these. Ultimately, there's more improve that needs to be had though, of course.

[@Xinfection15]

Personal experience, once happened to me in base game with mission badges Mission badges were important to save for god units, we all knew that, but we could also exchange it for different things, including emotes, UNTRADEABLES, 1 USE ONLY, emotes However my mistake was to press left instead to press 100 times right to cash in my emote with mission badges, and instead consumed 500 mission badges, on a 1 use account bind, untradeable emote The fact that there was no warning, that you could EVEN do that, it was stupid, more than 5 months lost of collecting, and that mistake almost made it so i miss the only chance to get god units with a mission pass that they took out of the game. And im not surprised that things like that are still nowaday even in ngs, funny thing is that even if you talk about the bad design in support, they dont give a fck about it, i tried it. I know its "use error" but really, its important gameplay time, months of saving lost for stupid things that as an user one think "nah it cant be like that", its bad to have to pay so much attention for those little things that could cost you so much...

[@Spikesxu]

Yea this is 100% just bad design. The UI is being made to work against the user, instead of work for the user. Which needs to be addressed on a magnificent level, otherwise it will only continue to drive negative experiences with their product(s), such as the ones that both you & I, as well as many other similar stories I'm sure, have experienced.

[@symbiotex1751]

the desing is so bad lets say u have Ektasis Armor fixa lv 1 on it then u upgrade it to the new shit you stuck with it cause u can t use the old amor to add higher fixa and those new upgarde amor can t be sold in shop and dont dropt how the hell u can better fixa if Ektasis Armor not compatible for fixa transfer ??

[@Spikesxu]

This one's definitely a doozy in how it's implemented. Basically your workaround on this is to enhance the fixa of an Ektasis to the designated level, then convert it & transfer it over to your Dostasis that way. If at the moment you're telling yourself, that's ridiculous because it costs so many mats to make a Dostasis. 1, yes you'd be correct, it is ridiculous. Lol. But 2, those mats are about to be the most common easiest things to obtain in the game, especially starting next week with crimson realm. You will have multiple thousands of them just sitting around. All that aside though, it definitely doesn't change how frustrating the current design is.

[@ngshighlites7507]

Wasn’t it EX augs can be transferred to non iridium, however all augs on the non iridium will be wiped. Unless of course you are wanting to transferring EX augs and non ex augs. I know when I did a full transfer the only time I have. I was able to select all augs except Halpha or Giga mastery idk which one, but I do remember buying and gambling to replace the aug. If anything know that you are helping us finding out this knowledge sadly the hard way. Thank you for the info.

[@Spikesxu]

Indeed, the positive that has come out of this is that at least I'm able to prevent yall from having the same thing happen. Sucks for me, but at least I'm able to help so that others may not have to deal with such pain & frustration.

[@Shini.001]

There should be a prompt at least 100% but this is what support is for. Did you submit a ticket or just rage create a vid first? How long have ex augs been around and this is the first time I've seen anyone have this happen. Not hating but how many times do you expect to be able to transfer free augs from 6-8 updates ago? If you would have done the transfer from a Eredim with ex's, there would have been no problem, can't be too mad when you're squeezing every last drop out of augs that have already been transfered for free.

[@Spikesxu]

When addressing me and expecting a genuine response, please refrain from talking as if you're trying to push an agenda, or otherwise start an altercation. This gets you absolutely nowhere with me. Understand the context, understand the situation, and read the room. I am not here to argue with you, and I will no entertain blatant disrespect. This is not Reddit. It would also appear by your response, that you're maybe not fully aware of the situation or perhaps have not played the game in some time/do not play regularly, so you would not be able to give appropriate input to begin with? With that being said. I sent a support ticket. Of course, their response was the generic corporate response. "You clicked the button, sorry we can't help". Which, to be fair, I fully expected. So no surprise there. This video was not a "rage" video. This video was indeed a video that came with a lot of emotion. But it was far from a rage video, and also a video that highlighted things that need to be addressed within the mechanics and design of certain game elements. This video was just as meant to voice frustration, as it was to open the discussion for change. To add, more importantly, it was so that other people could see this and understand to be weary to not make the same mistake. At the core of everything I do, is to ultimately help others. So while it sucks for me, making a video on it also greatly helps others. And it's important that people see that these things can happen to even me. And how they effect me. If they can happen to me, they can happen to anybody. As, I'm generally a pretty attentive player. And that helps others to not have to experience these negative experiences. In regards to this specific instance being the first time that you've seen this happen. It's because only recently are people using augment transfer passes. And even moreso, outside of the Eredims. Instances such have these have actually occurred way back as far as base as well, due to similar poor mechanics and designs, revolving around systems and UI. I play the game regularly and play multiple classes. I have weapons fully built for several classes and have moved around EX augments on numerous occasions. Naturally, all for free. The issue here is the design and lack of safeguards and fail-safes set in place for this system, especially as we transfer outside of Eredims. This will be seen in higher numbers as we move forward if it's not addressed. The system, design & mechanics is made to be unnecessarily confusing and essentially work against the user, instead of working to help the user. Thank you for your input and have a great rest of your day!

[@lordeclipse9069]

That’s really unfortunate but yea I had noticed that ages back luckily; similarly, I’m leaving all my transfer passes as vouchers *until* I’m ready to use a pass. Maybe that’s excessive but I think that works as a good fail safe. Shouldn’t be necessary and yea they should probably give an extra warning when using a pass (since it’s not like you’re transferring stuff every other day so extra warnings is no harm I think) Alternatively what they could say is “Eredim EX Transfer” so people are aware Eredim’s can transfer freely while other weapons can’t.

[@Spikesxu]

Yea sucks a lot. And most definitely, vouchers are the only true fail safe to avoid this. And I've learned this the hard way for sure. As mentioned, this should not be necessary however. Keeping them as vouchers should not be the sole method to fail safe such an important item that's so scarce & takes so long to obtain. I feel like this was a huge oversight on the team's part in not making these transfer passes more fail safe. And precisely in regards to the "Eredim EX Transfer". This would help to avoid confusion. There needs to be means at addressing & clarifying things in the game, which quick frankly, exists on a much grander scale than just the Aug Transfer & Aug Transfer Pass issue here. If this system stays in place without addressing, as we get further away from Eredims, this is going to negatively impact a great lot of people (unless they see this video lol). To run full circle though, it just indeed creates so much confusion to have an All Augment Transfer, & an EX- Augment Transfer, which is actually just Eredim Augment Transfer. This whole process is also exacerbated by the fact that Eredims vastly clog of up inventories & trying to sort through Eredims to find specific lineups can be tedious at best. The entire equipment gearing system can easily present a situation where the user will not recognize that something like what happened to myself, is about to occur. Definitely needs some looking into.

[@lordeclipse9069]

@@Spikesxu 100% agreed man. The one time they could've done with having an extra layer of security, it wasn't there. That or as mentioned, just changing the transfer's title would've helped a ton. Ironically, even if they didn't change the title, they could just add a final confirmation box saying "You're about to use a transfer pass, are you sure?" that you have to tick and that alone could save people _if_ they're not gonna bother changing the transfer title. Either way yea it's very unfortunate to have that happen and hopefully this video of yours will help some people avoid making this mistake. Hope the grind back up won't be too strenuous for you. It's one thing having to farm something new, it's another trying to farm something back.

[@sadmadtrash]

Official Creator? Really? They LITERRALLY told you that you DONOT REQUIRE TO USE TRANSFER TICKET when transfer augment from Eredim series to other series LMFAO. And from all the player, YOU, OFFICIAL CONTENT CREATOR if it's really bad why don't you complain from day1? transfer from Eredim to Wingard? But complain now. You just didn't really think this is bad design, you just want your material back from your own mistake.

[@Spikesxu]

I'm not sure if you fully followed the context of the video, or you're just so overcome with hate that you needed to project whatever struggles you may be going through, onto me in a comment? As, it would appear, you were not able to gather or otherwise process the deeper underlying issues addressed within the video. I acknowledge my own mistakes, and I always take accountability for my actions. As is very openly stated and shown within this video. Either way, I will continue to help others and address issues that need to be addressed and could be better looked into. Wish you the best & good day.

[@dominicevans5219]

I lost a whole maxed out Wingard that way. It does need to be fixed. But also I realized I just needed to be more cautious and pay attention. It’s all good just started over.

[@Spikesxu]

Most definitely. The bigger thing for me, is that I bring light to these things. It absolutely sucks, but at the same time, this is why I started making NGS content to begin with. When I started making NGS KZbin Videos years back, it was to help others because I realized there were so many confusing mechanics in the game that were not very well presented. I started making videos so that others wouldn't go through the same things that I went through, when I would be looking for answers and could find none. Ultimately, this video & instance is one of those occasions. Absolutely fking sucks for me, but at least I get to help others to not make the same detrimental mistake. And possibly bring about change to help better prevent things like these from happening.

[@Aqsticgod]

the thing is, you shouldnt have to be cautious with rare materials, the game should prompt you and ask you before spending a material that takes about a month to get. many other mmos give you "are you sure: text boxes before you commit to your choice, and even in this one it does that, but on this particular instance, it said "nahhhh screw you" and didnt even ask him if he was sure. that alone should not happen in this kind of game, you shouldnt need to be super cautious when dealing with UI, the UI should be tailored to help you, not screw you. also explanations for how the transfer is free only on eredim is bullshit and a clear miscommunication on their part.

[@Spikesxu]

@@Aqsticgod "the UI should be tailored to help you, not screw you." ---- This. All of this. Nail on the head.

[@dominicevans5219]

@@Aqsticgod I agree, but it’s SEGA smh. Also they should’ve had the boost campaign last all through the whole Halloween event, instead of waiting til the 22nd. Oh well.

[@Sorry_ImTruthful]

Accidents happen.. but why is it so difficult to get those transfer passes?.. it’s a miss opportunity for them to even sell them for those that don’t have the time to grind 😅

[@Spikesxu]

They do essentially sell them in some scratches as final scratch count bonuses. This was seen in a previous scratch where the final count bonus was one of these. I think if they made them readily accessible to be bought though, it'd undermine the game and drive away a lot of players. It's also a valuable chase & incentive item that the game needs. Game would essentially be fully pay to win but for no reason if they were to make them readily accessible to be purchased whenever. They're valuable, but their scarce. Which MMOs need to survive. An MMORPG without chase items will not last long. Issue is, is that with such valuable items, proper safeguards & fail-safes need to be put in place. Which any competent MMORPG will have.

[@Sorry_ImTruthful]

@@Spikesxu it depends how its regulated?.. a pay 2 win method does not harm the player base and how the game is played. Its the lack of content.. if they made it to only one per month (like the aug protection)? Then i don’t see how it can harm how people play the game, especially when this isn’t a competitive game to begin with 🤷‍♂️

[@Spikesxu]

@@Sorry_ImTruthful Pay 2 Win method 100% harms a game's player base and how the game is played, depending on the game design and what is being made P2W. It can extend into markets, item availability, records, & community experience. Just depends on the game & how the mechanics of the game works. We can agree to disagree on this, and that's perfectly fine.

[@Sorry_ImTruthful]

@@Spikesxu for “this” game (the one that you’re content is based on) does not matter about a p2w mechanic! Because it literally already has it in the game (the AC shop) which has had ZERO effects to its player base. So stop the cap!.. if it were a PvP type of game? Then you are entirely correct.. but it isn’t! Which can only mean the other 🤷‍♂️

[@Spikesxu]

@@Sorry_ImTruthful Agree to disagree. Good day to you!

[@ACLMSC]

I don't get angry often with these games but that would have made me hot. I still need one now!

[@Spikesxu]

I was definitely pretty hot. Was not a fun experience at all. And it's a system that needs to be addressed & fail-safes need to be put in place. Clarity needs to be brought so that the user can not fall into such easy confusion & end up wasting something that takes months to obtain. Ultimately, at least I'm able to help others to not have to experience what I went through. So that's the big thing.

[@EclairFarron]

Sorry for hearing this and thank you for making a video reminds people about the issues

[@Spikesxu]

It really sucks for me, but I'm glad that I can at least shine some light onto it so that others won't have to experience this completely demoralizing occurrence. You all know what to look out for now, so I'm glad that I could help in that regard. Thank you for your continued support of the channel & content~

[@PhillipRubio578]

That same thing happened to me when I was trying to transfer EX augments and I was left confused that there were 2 categories as if the second option was free from the start I didn't like how the transfer passes were implemented seeing as it was made by design to take at least a month to get a pass

[@Spikesxu]

The way the system is implemented creates confusion because it lacks in-game clarity and proper fail-safes. Which makes situations such as these prone to happening. And is why it definitely needs to be addressed. Especially when items such as Aug Transfer Passes are involved. Which are only handed out through SEGA and as such, take months to acquire one pass. Yet VASTLY enhance the playing experience. There needs to be ways to lock certain items. Quite frankly, all items should be lockable that can't be thrown into the Material Storage. I've 100% accidentally thrown away an Anaddi or Exdi augment one time on accident & didn't realize it till later. Because they can not be locked. Fail-safe's need to be implemented.

[@PhillipRubio578]

@@Spikesxu I couldn't agree more

[@NongIng]

The all augment transfer is funky and misleading Fortunately I use commonly available augments so I didn't lose too much messing around I'm sorry for your loss...

[@Spikesxu]

There 100% needs to be an effort to better clarify systems in the game so that things like these simply can not happen. Paired with better fail-safes for hyper rare items such as Aug Transfer Passes. Something as simple as being able to lock them, or them needing to be in your inventory to be consumed. etc. Definitely was a devastating ending to an otherwise great time.

[@NongIng]

@@Spikesxu Needing to be in inventory needs to be reworked some since SOMETIMES items can be in storage to use Augment locking is a definite need like you paid for those (literal $$$ for some) I don't know how much does SEGA listen to fans when it comes to this game?

[@rabbitsarenotemergencyfood]

the design/mechanics are fine, although i agree it's not explained to well and a little confusing. there definitely should be a failsafe warning for such a valuable item though, i fully agree on that.

[@Spikesxu]

If you agree that it's not explained well & can be confusing, then the design/mechanics are not fine. Because that directly falls into the design & mechanics. It's definitely a situation that needs addressing, because we will 100% see more of these types of things happening in the future as people more readily get augment transfer passes and we move further away from Eredims. These types of things can be easily avoided by better fail-safes, such as being able to lock items like Augment Transfer Passes (admittedly, there was an instance where I accidentally threw away an Anaddi or Exdi & didn't realize it until too late. Because these cannot be locked either). Paired with less confusing systems that clearly state what they do and how they function, in-game. Not by having to hear it on a Headline that's months old that a newer player would never have seen to begin with, or having to navigate to the Game Guide, which is also not the most visible menu to navigate to if one wanted to do so. If the systems are going to be so complicated & confusing to that degree, then there needs to be proper & clear in-game documentation at point of attack, & fail-safes set in place to try to balance it. But they really just need to address both.

[@Venom.02]

You know Monarkey one of his videos he said something similar and had idea to improve this crap.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Yeah Bruh I'm In Pain 😂😭😭☠⚰

[@Spikesxu]

The pain is real

[@envy_7237]

no shit we also need 100 og it and it's hard to get the pass

[@Spikesxu]

Such a valuable item that takes so long to obtain, in the form of 100 vouchers, needs serious safeguards and fail-safes from being accidentally consumed through systems that are confusing and unclear.

[@envy_7237]

@@Spikesxu trueeee

[@jessegwess1080]

It took mines two times when it's supposed to be free

[@donovan1445]

sorry for your loss

[@donovan1445]

i did ex transfer with wingard, and i kept my transfer ticket as voucher they are intact

[@Spikesxu]

@@donovan1445 Thank you. And yea just make sure you keep those vouchers as vouchers until the very moment you are fully intending to use a transfer pass. If there's one important thing to take away from this video, it's that. Because it's the only true fail-safe to prevent something like this happening. Or accidentally throwing it away/converting to cash.

[@7__oz]

I felt your pain iit's kingu aka 7 from Op alliance bruh I krafted3 duo weaps smh 2 was multi and now I got my launcher lv5 after but I could take the fixa so now I got 2 duo weaps multiied and true max for no reason so if new weaps drops guess I have an extra fodder build for aug mats I guess but yeah... we gotta be careful with updates and upgrading we are time gated gotta be careful ... love your videos don't sweat it tho wait for those updates I'm still need one more unit and I'm donee..🙏🏽

[@Spikesxu]

Yea it's just unfortunate. So many of these things could be easily avoided by better clarification within the game's systems, or proper fail-safe's implemented. It's reasons such as these that I actually began making NGS KZbin videos years back. Because I recognized how confusing the game could be & how poorly at times things are presented. As such, I wanted to help others to not go through the same struggles or hiccups I'd gone through. This is another one of those cases where I get to bite the bullet first, but it helps all of you.

[@darkkram215]

I'd suggest submitting a ticket to Sega, maybe they could rollback your stuff over a account breaking oversight like that. (Atleast in Warframe they do that.)

[@Spikesxu]

Definitely giving it a shot. Hopefully it works, but I'm definitely not holding my breath. Hoping for the best, but 100% expecting the worst to remain.

[@tnpfeatherz6499]

I've transferred ex augs between eradims before but not used transfer passes yet. Does aug transfer do all augs or just non ex augs? Not sure how it works. I would like to avoid losing any of my good augs.

[@Spikesxu]

So an N- Augment Transfer Pass is meant to work to transfer all augs. However, it can be accidentally consumed in the EX-Augment transfer menu. So, while EX-Augment Transfer is supposed to be specifically for EX Augments, the big thing to understand is that transferring EX-Augments is not actually free. This is misleading because up until now we've essentially been able to transfer them for free because only if they're from Eredim, can they be transferred for free. If you try to transfer your EX augments from a weapon that's not an Eredim, to another weapon. Even if it's only the EX augs, and the other weapon even has EX augs on it to handle the placeholders, It will eat a transfer pass. It will take the EX augments, whilst leaving the rest of the weapon in-tact. Aka, this is useless to begin with. An Augment Transfer Pass is really meant for transferring ALL your augs. So, EX augs & non-ex augs included. So lets say you have a weapon with 3 EX augs and 4 non-ex augs. An Augment Transfer Pass can be used to transfer ALL of those to a desired weapon/unit. Where they shaft you however, is that Aug Transfer Pass can also be triggered in EX-Augment Transfer. But EX Augment Transfer will ONLY ever transfer EX Augments. But the thing is, outside of Eredim, you can not transfer EX Augments. So lets say you moved over your EX augments to a Wingard. But now you want to upgrade to Exelio and want to move over just the EX augments to the Exelio. You can't do that without a pass. Does this come off as a little confusing to you? If so, that's the exact issue.

[@tnpfeatherz6499]

@@Spikesxu yeah I get it now. Thought you were saying you needed a pass to transfer ex augs on top of one for normal ones. Just to mention though, it was said that it was free to transfer between eredim weapons but you'd need a pass for anything else. That's why I'm still using eredim until I have my ideal ex augs

[@MostTD1]

All agument transfer option is FREE is u do so from Eredim weapon same as Ex augment transfer option is FREE from Eredim weapon. Both of those option will require augment pass if u use any outher weapon that NOT Eredim.

[@Spikesxu]

​@@tnpfeatherz6499 Yea it's just a confusing system that needs better clarification and fail-safes/safeguards. Even if it was previously stated how it would operate, anyone who does not watch Headlines or anyone who has joined the game after the initial release of the Eredim series, would still easily fall into this confusion and would be prone to have something like this occur. There's definitely ways to clean it up to make for a less confusing user experience, regardless the individual's experience within the game. Specifically on items of such rarity. If these issues occured on something that was easily obtainable in 10 minutes, it wouldn't be as big of an issue and would be easy to overlook. However, these are items that are regulated by SEGA in limited events, that take months to acquire. So this naturally adds another layer onto the situation. A buddy mentioned a super easy safeguard to this. And that would simply be to add a drop down menu for these types of items, the same likes that we get for Protect items when augmenting/fixa enhancing. Even something so simple as that would be a huge safeguard to preventing things such as this from happening.

[@SchuteNGS]

Sorry Spike I feel for you…

[@Spikesxu]

Thanks Schute. Keep making great Creative Spaces!

[@Danthrax40]

Have you tried contacting support to see if they can give you your transfer pass back?

[@MostTD1]

why they should give them back ?

[@Danthrax40]

@@MostTD1 If it was an honest mistake and he was confused by the UI. You never know, they might be merciful.

[@Spikesxu]

I did already submit a ticket. I fully don't expect anything to come of it though. I'm not really the type to linger on the past too long. Ultimately, a positive has already come out of this, because I'm able to help others to not make the same mistake. So whatever happens next is fine. I'll make it work. Big thing is that I can prevent others from experiencing the same/similar issue. And that's the most important thing for me, personally.

[@haltechecu5710]

Hear me out right... maybe pay attention to what gets consumed..

[@Spikesxu]

This is very obvious. However, it undermines the bigger issue here.

[@MostTD1]

@@Spikesxu dude stop callin your fail an issue.

[@Spikesxu]

@@MostTD1 I hope you one day find peace within yourself. Rooting for you!

[@Aqsticgod]

@@MostTD1 the game gives you several prompts before you spend your materials, but in this one it didnt, it is a UI issue and can seriously turn off players to it

[@MostTD1]

@@Aqsticgod check Game Guide in game and read attentively about augment transfer. everything is written there briefly and clearly

[@FollowTheFaceless]

Sega is just ass greedy with giving transfer vouchers. I kinda knew they gonna monetize it someway with selling full transfer passes for real money (and even those are tied to limited-time events). That's the main (and only) problem with this system.

[@Spikesxu]

I don't overly have an issue with aug transfer passes in themselves in how they work. A free player will have been able to obtain 2 & a half passes up to now if they'd taken advantage of the limited time opportunities to obtain them. I do indeed believe that vouchers could be used better as incentives however. Right now you get one daily by completing a task. Which is really good. It's not the pass itself that I have an issue with. It's the implementation & lacktherof, in the systems & mechanics surrounding it.

[@FollowTheFaceless]

​@@Spikesxu Guess, because of developing a habit of being more attentive to things - I have no claims to how the passes themselves work. It's only vouchers income lacking. The event will end and again we get some period of time with no way to get them. That's exactly why, btw, I don't listen to people agitating to upgrade armors now and not to wait.

[@baeber]

yeah this is stupid. they got a good thing going with eredim but are going to leave it there honestly exelio and duo selio shouldn't exist if they're trying to be stingy with a good quality of life feature all of a sudden.

[@Spikesxu]

Indeed. It literally makes no sense as to the mechanics of this & the poor & huge oversight on the design of the system as we move further down the line. I completely understand the Augment Transfer Pass & it's inclusion in the All Augment Transfer system. But EX augments-only in themselves being subjected to this is absolutely wild.

[@sbgaming6951]

In not gonna lie its kinda funny because we've been teeling you forever this is why the game is litteraly trash. You spend months grinding like a slave just to upgrade wrong or make a mistake. The games upgrading proccess is just way to confussing and complicated, period. this will always be the biggest issue with ngs, i feel your pain tho lol

[@shaece798]

Every video i see of this game makes me glad i quit after the release of kvaris, No offense to the people who still play this game and can do what i couldn't and actually find a way to enjoy the game without feeling like they are just perpetually wasting your time and resetting your progress every update, but you can't really be surprised when so many people are consuming their sh*t and act shocked when they feed you more sh*t, these people need to take accountability and actually realize they are actively supporting a game that hasn't done anything but make the experience worse and reskin the same enemies over and over again since Open Beta, they lack even the basic fundamentals that make mmorpg's fun to play, like a satisfying progression for example.

[@Spikesxu]

Now now. We're getting ahead of ourselves. This game is not for everyone, most definitely, but it's a really fun game for me personally. If it wasn't, I wouldn't play it. Simple as that. It has its ups and downs just like any MMO, but I'm not about to sit here & start doom posting. I'm in no way shape or form a doom poster lol. There are genuine things that the game needs to address. Specific mechanics, etc. But not everything that everyone says about the game actually needs to be addressed. People can enjoy their games as they may. And I will never try to tell someone that they can't enjoy a video game that they enjoy. In this video, I'm just simply vocalizing a frustration that will genuinely negatively impact unsuspecting users. It's a confusing system, and safeguards/fail-safes need to be put in place with certain things within the game. I don't think this specific instance was an intentional way to shaft the user however, but moreso an oversight. As environments evolve/games grow, new issues will often present themselves. This is one of those moments. While it sucks for me, it also enables me to help others. Which is ultimately what I'm about. So that's the plus side.

[@Aqsticgod]

"no offense to the people who still play this game" proceeds to offend them anyways, dude fun is subjective clearly the game didnt click with you, doesnt mean the game is crap, ill give you an example of that, i fucking hate rdr2, its a crap game, great western, shitty game, shitty gameplay mechanics, and yet people ride the game like its the only piece of art made. im not here shitting on them for it, i just think they are mentally retarded xD. seriously tho, if you quit the game and dont play anymore then why tf are you even commenting on this video to begin with?

[@shionaurelius2780]

bro, they just like being as aholey as posible in a discrete manner, screw up players and make em regrind their poorly designed quest spamation for cuthulu knows how long, i bet new armors upgrade routes are NOT retro-upgradeable between themselfs

[@Spikesxu]

I wouldn't go that far. In regards to the units, I am indeed interested to see the route they take with that with the next upgrades. And if they attempt to lock you into a specific path without being able to change/having to start from scratch to change the path. However, that's all speculation & heresa. Which are things I don't linger on or lose sleep over. We won't know how that one plays out until it actually plays out lol.

[@Hermit580]

It's just crap design you go from something that people wanted with the EX augments then you add this stipulation that you need this transfer pass outside of Eredim.....for what?So that there's more to grind for?It's totally unnecessary.

[@Spikesxu]

Exactly. It's completely unnecessary. The Aug Transfer Pass, I totally can get behind with in the regular All Transfer. But considering how EX Augments are implemented, and how many EX Augments variations there are. Paired with the insane amount of clutter Eredims can cause. There is absolutely no reason for EX Augments themselves to not be transferrable for free. And Augment Transfer Passes shouldn't even be able to be consumed within the EX-Aug Transfer menu. There needs to be stronger fail-safes.

[@Hermit580]

@@Spikesxu Sadly I know where this is going bro.They're going to fix it in a later update as a "new feature" they've done so in the past with base game.

[@Spikesxu]

@@Hermit580 Rip 😂

[@Betsujin]

Off topic. Remember you told about FFXI on stream like a month ago or so? I decided to check it out on Horizon server last week and holy it's so fun. I found in it joy of exploration of game world and game mechanics, which are lacking in NGS for me for long time already, sadly. I was surprised I can farm first location and most of loot drops were actually profitable to sell on auction and I have free access to it. Tons of characters in town with lore and quests. Other players looks like they actually belong to game world and not space anime OF convention. I met players in game exploration zones and we farmed and cooked 24h sausages in fire and get killed by goblins on geological survey mission. I had tremendous amount of fun. Should have started to play it sooner.

[@Spikesxu]

Hey! Glad to hear you're enjoying your time over there! I've spent time dabbling around private servers in the past, so I do know how fun they can be. Ultimately though, they're always very incomplete. Missing lots, so much broken, not fully era accurate, added their own things, etc,e tc. Which is why at this juncture, I'd rather just wait for a (never is going to come) FFXI Classic 😂. Glad to hear you're enjoying your time over there though!

[@AlienForklift]

Its dumb you can only use eredim for material for free. Sega being sega

[@Spikesxu]

Most definitely. That creates problems down the line. As well as poor clarification/use of naming's of the systems.

[@andysnyder3844]

That is bullshi%

[@Spikesxu]

Absolutely.

[@MostTD1]

welp sad. but if u goin transfer/upgrade in any game first u need to know how its work before u do it or u mess up thats just how it is.

[@Spikesxu]

Thank you for stating the obvious and what was clearly represented. I have transferred within this game dozens upon dozens of times. I'm not sure if you fully followed the entirety of the video, as it addresses the full scope in its entirety as to what the issues are. Which are not so black and white as your attempt to make it be.

[@MostTD1]

@@Spikesxu Well, maybe you didn’t understand what I wrote about? I mean, if you made such an obvious mistake, then the problem is more likely to be with you and not with bad design. because this can be seen from your example: when you made a transfer, you simply had no idea what you were doing.

[@Spikesxu]

@@MostTD1 It would appear the full context is being lost on you. As such, we will finalize this conversation here. Have a great rest of your day!

[@lordeclipse9069]

@@MostTD1 I think that’s the point he’s trying to make. I don’t know how you can tell people to “know how it works before you do it or you mess up” since it’s literally gonna be most people’s first time using the system outside of nameless’ release. He’s just making the point so more people don’t make this same mistake on their first time transferring, which I think is fair since he of all people isn’t even a casual player; so if he can make this mistake then imagine the more casual players who are *still* confused about the system as is months after release.

[@MostTD1]

@@lordeclipse9069 Please. if u can read this game have Game Guide u can go System>Help>Game Guide>Weapon enchancements and open Ex Augment transfer tab and there is just 2 slides and not much text but its says clrearly how EX transfer work. and if u read my first msg i just say that before u doin something without knowin u will fail