Psychedelic new-age spirituality Vs Atheism

I have repeatedly seen atheism being frowned upon by "enlightened" new-age spiritual types, as if it is somehow contradictory to their spiritual beliefs. In this video I unpack the conflict between atheism and those who consider themselves to be spiritual, and investigate if there is any merit to their argument.
Featured in this video is a clip from Curt Jaimungals interview with Leo Gura, also a clip of the (ahem) movie - God's Not Dead.
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[@garycunningham5014]

College Student: "Why do you hate God!?" Professor: "Which one?" I had a fundamentalist Christian in one of my Biology classes. He asked the prof. "Did God create man, or did man create God?" Without missing a beat, the prof. said, "That particular question isn't covered in this course and won't be on the exam".

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I imagine that he must have had A LOT of practice over the years 😁

[@hubadj]

Lol 😀

[@MintyLoveDMT]

The word "God" seems to have as many definitions as there are folks to define it. The concepts contradict our 3D physics laws and without a firm base upon which to build our ideas, a wholesome belief is IMO often relegated to nagging fervent hope. Since DMT, I feel I'm much closer to my own "God" within (according to my own definition). I'll never be in futile business converting anyone and at the end of the day who gives the slightest hoot about what I or any other folks think? As long as we're all living our lives in the way that we're learning our life challenges and feeling comfortable with our own actions.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Same mate, since having my eyes open on the spice then I am more of the opinion that anyones personal journey is just that, which is why it gets on my tits when people start dictating what you can or can’t believe. I guess I just recognize that annoying militant dick that I used to be and so want to try and talk myself down 🙂

[@EllieS1863]

Wow! I’m so delighted I found your channel. You’re doing a beautiful job of expressing the things that I believe need to be said and that I myself have struggled to put in to words. Thank you!

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Thank You! Glad you are enjoying the channel

[@sykoteddy]

I couldn't have said it better myself, and mean that to both of you!

[@hannahw2]

This video really resonated with me. Last year I deconverted from Christianity and am now an atheist. (I am unconvinced of the evidence for god(s) that the major religions claim exist.) However, even though I don't believe in a God as defined by the big religious leaders of the world, after experiencing many shroom trips I have an unmistakable feeling that I am part of something far greater then I could ever comprehend. That there is something so much MORE to life. So a term like spiritual atheism is something that I feel really fits my mindset. So thank you for that!

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Im glad that it resonated with you mate 🙏

[@smartjackasswisdom1467]

You are God my friend you just forgot.

[@dag4710]

@@smartjackasswisdom1467 What can you do that's god like?

[@EthanWinter-]

@@smartjackasswisdom1467 indeed

[@hermitslug4982]

great video as usual. Always good to see you bring more maturity and level headedness to the table

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Hopefully level headed, but I'm not sure about the maturity 😃

[@sneferuzefayawachuma]

I used to identify as an atheist but since exploring my own spiritual journey I’d say I’m agnostic too, though I am very comfortable these days with using the word God as a concept which may be inferred as a religious deity but in reality it’s much more nebulous and personal. I’m a student of sciences but also spiritual, and yes I even pray (prayer doesn’t mean I’m not agnostic). I like to use the analogy of the wave-particle duality concept. I find it hard to grasp if I think about it too hard, but easy to understand if I keep my mind open. And my opinion is; I think there can be both scientific and spiritual outlooks for the same thing that might seem to be contradictory, but if I keep my mind open it’s beautifully simple: they’re both true 🥰

[@devfromthefuture506]

I am agnostic too and i consume Ayahuasca since 2008 . my spiritual focus is on understand reality at is core. For example, The math of string theory is extremely beautiful and it is one of the main sources of my spiritual search

[@homealone2427]

Thank you for this video very entertaining and educational. Belief is one of the strongest things a person can have. To crack it or change it is very hard.

[@smartjackasswisdom1467]

Experiencing the Godhead after an Lsd Ego Death is what made me seriously consider the possibility of a God after being an atheist all of my life. It is absolutely essential that you also try to be critical of your own beliefs but also try to validate them through reason and arguments. If more psychonauts read philosophy and science seriously they would have better arguments to argue in favor of whatever they experience on their psychedelic experiences. I recommend reading Kant, Hegel and Spinoza's views on God, death and immortality to all psychedelic users just so they know you can achieve the same conclusions that psychedelics offer but totally sober. I still prefer psychedelics because it's very different to read about something compared to going through it and living it.

[@novictim]

Thanks for the tip :)

[@novictim]

Now I won't have to be embarassed anymore when my family and coworkers and the girl at the busstop neglect my beliefs that we are all one single eternal cosmic entity and that they too can see it if they smoke DMT and take LSD.... 😌😉

[@chetzar]

Another great video, Rob!

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Cheers Chet! 🙏

[@RhythmJunkie]

The important distinction to make is the difference between a belief system or religious narrative and An authentic experience that provides an unquestionable ‘knowing’ that doesn’t require any faith, blind faith that are needed to uphold any beliefs etc. there’s a reason why deep profound mystical experience, various states of Samadhi, kundalini awakening, NDE’s are often described as being ‘more real than real’ … It’s because these experiences occur when a persons Consciousness has expanded beyond the limitations of this physical reality and into a more deeper or ‘ultimate reality’ that underlies all things. The truth that so many are unwilling to acknowledge is the possibility, or in my experience, fact, that is human experience that we are having is basically a Drama-Game-Simulation in witch we are willing participants and Co-creators that have chosen to inhabit these bodies (avatars) and Ego’s (characters) temporarily just for the experience and to cultivate Love. And that the Ultimate Reality is Non-Duality, That we are in effect GOD Experiencing itself within itself as individuated Consciousness. And when people keep meditating, or using psychedelics or some other modality and keep going down that path penetrating further and further this is the absolute truth that they will discover✨😉 🙏🏼✨♾💖🕉✨🙏🏼

[@unknownarc]

what i like about you is that you always remind yourself and us that this is your view on things rather than saying that it's the ultimate truth.

[@markross2426]

Great stuff, as usual :)

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@MagnaMagnanimous]

The debate that you have a good go at resolving here, is merely a question of definitions. "God" is a word, religions are dogmatic societal constructs and we all know that there is an everything which we are part of. The degree to which we find the level of our connectedness to the everything is dependent upon our programming, time, spiritual practices and psychedelic trips! The truth is beyond words. Finding the Truth is incredible though.

[@christianwolthuis1285]

"same dude" killed me

[@yougotredonyou5584]

A succinct and accurate observation Amigo

[@yougotredonyou5584]

I do find it interesting how psychedelics seem to open us up to the concept of spirituality

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

@@yougotredonyou5584 Gracias Amigo! For sure I certainly am more open to the idea of being spiritual since getting into psychedelics, I think its just part of the way in which they challenge us to think about ourselves in different ways

[@TheLouissuper]

That was an interesting video. It seems that this is a really Western debate, because I think most of the Buddhist or Taoist practitionners would be fine if considered "spiritual atheists"

[@slumdogjay]

I’m a spiritual Atheist. I don’t believe in gods, ghosts, afterlife etc but I feel everything on this planet and in the universe is connected. We’re all made from the same basic materials. Human, beast, tree, etc. We’re all from the stars.

[@JohnnyTwoFingers]

Good video as always, but kind of a weird and I'd say hypocritical (the strawman accusation) portrayal of Curt. I interact with many atheists on a regular basis, and I absolutely agree with his take on it that some(!) exhibit what I consider to be something at least extremely similar to hate. The very idea of God seems to really do a number on the human mind, on both sides of the divide.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

@@JohnnyTwoFingers regardless of whether you have had interactions like that with certain atheists, surely you can see that its an absurd argument to say “ALL atheists are motivated by a hatred for God and existence itself”? That would be like saying “ALL psychonauts are drug addicts in denial of reality”, or “ALL muslims hate America”. These are caricature statements, and while it might apply to certain individuals, it isnt a fundamental feature of those mindsets. So what in my portrayal of Curt was weird and hypocritical?

[@Sabnock1990]

@@JohnnyTwoFingers - As with anything, there's extremist Atheists too. Imo, people who are against the concept of God are against it because they haven't been given any actual proof (IE direct experience/mysticism) and because the main religions are so far up their own asses that they turn people off and drive them away. If religions of the world would just drop the dogmas and be open for discussion and sharing of ideas/interpretations/perspectives, as well as provide people with direct mystical/spiritual/religious experience (which should ALWAYS imo be the first and foremost main factor of any legit religion), without claiming "my way is the only way" and instead looking for truth, wisdom, perspective, understanding, lessons, etc, i'd imagine religion would make much more progress. I think one of the big problems with religion is that they lack the main spiritual component that sets the foundation for religion/religiosity in the first place, religion is mostly all bark and no bite, spirituality is where the real deal is, religion is simply a structure designed to help integrate the divine/spiritual within everyday life and give context for how to live life, a structure can no doubt be important, but a structure without it's support beams is an inevitable catastrophe, if you catch my drift.

[@TonyFed]

You had me at the low key DBZ reference ;)

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Any chance to give a shout out to my boy Vegeta 😀

[@rayuelaas]

Eloquent, funny and straight to the f-cking point 👍

[@HenryKlausEsq.]

People who believe in the supernatural share something in common with atheists/agnostics...we experiment with psychedelics. An atheist will find value in exploring their mind and looking into the abyss in the hope they might understand the universe a little better, while the supernatural types often use it to augment their existing beliefs. Rob thank you for this video. As an agnostic who has had spiritual experiences with psychedelics I've been bothered by the direction people take with ascribing their experiences to [insert poorly defined magical system], as if they can fully understand this incredibly complex and under-researched phenomenon like a prophet (activate bullshit alarm). It takes an ego to declare something so ephemeral and subjective to be known and harnessed. Love your work.

[@user-ew5ch9bb5o]

Amazing video 💫 new subscriber 🚀

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Thanks!

[@alloloiseau5259]

Problem with words like God and Supernatural is that people start to argue not even considering the semantic issue of what preconception do they actually have of these words, how much of it is noise, how much perspective is missing, and what exactly does the other commentators actually mean on their end when they imagine these 2 words. Often the argument is in the details or the phrasing or the need to confirm the identity group. Say we leave the word God aside, the word supernatural is sort of a false dilemna where we think we can assume to know all what is natural and where the boundarie is, let alone define natural in itself, well some could argue that only artificial or synthetic made things are supernatural and that spooky event happening of their own course are in fact natural but unknown, some would argue that all our manmade synthetic and artifice is part of nature because we are and our action/us isnt specifically disconnected from "nature"

[@youeladamas7840]

western and eastern taught get confused alot even in there own groups they differ. conspicuousness is i think the term many on the science side would better use maybe growing in to spirituality. others that are in to the beyond sciences also like to mix terms but best use the term spirit. its like the duality thing ppl do when its mostly spectrum perspectives both sides saying your wrong if you believe when both beliefs maybe wrong or just not have enough information. you will find that many atheist are just anti hebrew teaching and have made business from it like religious ppl did. i think most teaching are travels from the past with psych or by other means and have become what other translate as divine. they might just be part of the structure seen and unseen from the minds eye prospective and self translation

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Totally agree that you get many different people using words in different ways, but I’m always interested in what words fundamentally mean because then you can start getting at the truth behind what people are saying.

[@honkhonk5181]

Those shaolins are the toughest people on earth. Change my mind. They train themselves to withstand full force kicks to the bollocks repeatedly without taking any damage or pain. And that’s but one example

[@phoenixreborn21]

Great definition on "spirituality" - I can totally relate to that. Something "bigger" than you, without all the woo attached to it.

[@mosesinvests]

As an atheist I prefer to use the term "transcendental" than "spiritual".

[@Illumignostic]

New agers are not generally psychedelic or into psychedlics. Pantheism is an obvious fact; the only dispute is a as to the degree.

[@thesjewishpsychedelicsandbox]

I think the 'same dude' frame when you said Judaism is inaccurate. That's from a Christian perspective of Judaism. Judaism itself is a word mainly made up by Christians to designate their "rightness" from the "other" orientation. Jews have myriad associations and understandings of Divinity that do not amount to the Christian version of Divinity. Not knocking you, just wanted to populate the comments with helpful nuance from an insider perspective

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I appreciate the input

[@bafflezbiz]

When I was young and impressionable, and deep into my "spiritual path", I found an ideological understanding of "God" called "impersonal". Essentially, that the universe and cosmos is amazing and transcends imagination, but does not have a "personality", per se. That there is no big "dude" looking over us and pulling the puppet strings. This is in conflict with the Krishnas and even Christians, but Hinduism has a place for this belief and Buddhists are in the same boat (if they're being honest and are not Shinto nor SGI cultists!)

[@cityofangels4874]

are you following Advaita Vedanta?

[@ptadisbander7959]

Bro you should look into Chris Letheby's book "Philosophy of Psychedelics" and probably Peter Sjostedt H. You probably know these cats though.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I will look into it - thanks for the recommendation!

[@pluggerizer]

i consider myself as a "spiritual" atheist, the word god has no meaning for me other than the meaning, properties, willingness people attributes to it. if i had to define god that would be the cosmos ensemble of all that exists, Deus es natura. I believe in a multidimensional multiverse cosmos, i believe we are part of it, and that we are a manifestation of the cosmos deploying infinity, one part that is becoming conscious of itself. .

[@cozplay]

Insightful video. Comically perhaps, I feel that it is impossible for anyone to be an atheist since I regard consciousness itself as the God of Gods. My belief is that there is only one consciousness and that all conscious beings are happenings within the one consciousness. Therefore, of course, it is impossible to be an atheist because consciousness is the very essence of the assertion of being an atheist. Generally when people say they are atheists what they are saying is that they don’t believe in their concept or idea of god so no wonder they are atheists filtering through such a scope. I believe that the human world is a split consciousness adventure play world and in such a world these kind of comedies are endless. To add to the comedy, most theists are in a way atheists since their concepts and ideas about god do not recognize that consciousness is the basis of these concepts and ideas. To paraphrase a line from a Vajrayana treatise: Wonder of wonders, although consciousness is the very essence of all conscious beings, it is not recognized.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I wouldn't disagree on the specifics, but I think in terms of modern everyday language then Theist/Atheist have a certain meaning and so its fine to roll with them. Technically im not an atheist, but im close enough in that modern usage that I don't mind if someone describes me as that, and I will often describe myself that way just because its easier.

[@cozplay]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica So delighted to hear from you. My cup has been so overflowing, and discovering and enjoying your videos has been part of that. I fully agree with you. I was just having some fun with mind play. 🏄‍♀️♾🌈🌌🦋

[@joegibbskins]

Wouldn’t most Buddhists be spiritual atheists? It seems like denying that they exist is crazy

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I think so, but the common misconception around Buddhism is that they worship Buddha like a deity

[@tomasparra720]

buddhist are not atheists, they have a lot of deities and believe in metaphysical reality so buddhism is absolutely not atheist

[@jamessclar]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@rumple269]

Bullshit detector over 9000!!!!!! Pahahah. I fucking luv u bro. Very well done.

[@isaachagoel7344]

Mmm... I have a lot of respect for you sir but I think you are missing something important. There is indeed serious tension between belief systems that leave no room for meaning (Strong-Atheism can be included in this category) - it is all predetermined and mechanical and anything else is stories we make up vs. belief systems that are based on some kind of a higher meaning, whether there is an explicit deity there or not.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I don’t think lack of meaning is an inherent feature of atheism, its simply a case of where that meaning comes from. Some peoole say meaning comes from god, or the bible, and I think most atheists would disagree with that - as would I. I completely agree that there are some really douchebag atheists who reject EVERYTHING, but thats just the silly obnoxious ones IMO.

[@isaachagoel7344]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica i would say lack of meaning is an inherent feature of physicalism (== no free will, all predetermined, counciousness has no room and no role) and that usually it goes hand in hand with some flavours of atheism. I also find the idea of god/tao as presented in all religions unsatisfactory and unconvincing but that just makes the "meaning crisis" (that drives a lot of people to Ayahuasca and other psychedelics in the first place) worse.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

@@isaachagoel7344 you are describing a certain subset, which I grant are fairly vocal, but I don’t think are representative of the whole. Even those that accept no free will as fact don’t universally reject meaning - Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins here are two prominent examples of those who place great value in meaning and consciousness. The meaning crisis I think is more related to the shift towards modern disconnected society rather than a particular belief system, although I think belief (or lack of) is a contributing factor.

[@isaachagoel7344]

​@@AdeptusPsychonautica I've been following Harris and to some extent Dawkins quite closely and when you brought them as examples for proponents of meaning it threw me off for a second because I couldn't recall them ever advocating for anything that would qualify. I googled a bit and the best I could find is Harris saying that it is "what is the meaning of life" is the wrong question and what one actually needs to do is meditate in order to be in the present moment (cough cough buy my meditation app), and Dawkins saying that the only meaning there is (except for spreading our DNA) is whatever we make for ourselves. I would be super happy if you could point me to something more inspiring that they said on the topic. I personally believe that the work you are doing, for example, has meaning. Not because you decided it has meaning but because it helps other minds (as well as your own) evolve (not in the Dawkins sense of the word), improve and make higher quality choices. I guess Sam would approve that you are acting morally (his idea of morality has to do with reducing suffering) but I doubt that he would grant it any meaning.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

@@isaachagoel7344 Well just to make sure that I am answering the question correctly - what is your definition of "meaning"? I'm sure both Harris and Dawkins both think that they work they do has meaning (and I would agree), but what criteria in your eyes do I meet that they do not?

[@Sprite_525]

*Buddhists, Jains, Yogis* : “fr”

[@joshbaldwin6210]

You are Truth, You are Love, You are infinity, You are God, You are Me. There is a saying "The Atheist is closer to god than the Theist" because god is nothing. Love you Forever Rob lol you are Leo Gura

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I was with you up until the end 😁

[@joshbaldwin6210]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica oh yeah anyone claiming to be more awake then Jesus or Buddha is a turbo douche.

[@jameswatson5807]

@@joshbaldwin6210 There are very advanced souls that have reincarnated on earth, so there already exist people who are far more advanced than Buddha or Jesus.

[@looks-human]

The imagination is a powerful tool.. I like to create my own gods and monsters and make them fight one another 🏜🐉

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Sounds like fun 😃

[@looks-human]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica oh yeah big time! it can weaken the psyche fighting yourself all the time so I end up smoking with them and chilling out... maybe create some cool new plants on other planets with strange gods that give me mushrooms and wisdom , gotta make sure the imagination has creative stuff too 🌏🏕😂 A daily exercise of one's imagination is a good for health in my opinion, keeps you open minded..

[@keylamusky]

😂😂😂😂bravoh🤣

[@dorothylewinski551]

Over 9000! That is some serious bullshit

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Indeed 🙂

[@johnfree2833]

Can i extract my own DMT from my own plasma ect for vaping purposes? I would also like to bring to light long term continuous I.V.drip experiments and any survivors results Just how far have they gone!?HF imagination going off rails.comment please.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Can you extract DMT your own blood plasma - is that what you are asking? Errrrrr.... no 😶

[@evoluciondelaconciencia3826]

BuddhaDharma is non-theist spiritual path 👌

[@mn5499]

Everyone is spiritual, they argue over the image of what spiritual is. Even atheism is a belief. Both spirit believers and atheists are just as arrogant. Both require you to believe you know this reality and what could lie beyond well enough to draw a conclusion.

[@south1328]

Spiritual atheist…isn’t that an oxymoron?

[@sydneyhunt6681]

It's OK God is ALL LOVING ❤ but shxt life can be horrible and it can be hard to feel that love 💘

[@MintyLoveDMT]

Damn right mate. My guess is because love here on Earth depends on its inhabitants rather from creative source or (for want of a better word) God.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Yup, and its that path to finding that love, and being the source of it for others, is what I think spirituality is. Its a journey, not a default setting 🙂

[@MintyLoveDMT]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica Spot on

[@bumblebeme]

this is dumb you are saying that atheist's cant not be spiritual because they feel emotion. By default they are spiritual because they feel things too.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

No that isn't what I said...derp

[@Imsamhill]

I do see a lot of hatred and bias against God with Ahtiests. A lot of time it’s not about finding truth but bolstering their atheist narrative or beliefs. It seems like they would have sky daddy issues. I’m okay with there not being a god or there being one. I don’t think it’s likely that there isn’t one but I’m open to that being true.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

I posted this video in the Atheism subreddit, and they went fucking bananas 😀 I think its a bit too easy to group people together under a label and say "they all do this/that". As with any group there are some who believe one thing and others don't, but unfortunately its always the idiots who make the most noise.

[@Imsamhill]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica yeah I feel like you can’t make a statement without a dichotomy being formed and some opposite opinion

[@user-yl4rh8vn8c]

You can sincerely not believe logically and still see if he were real he’d be an asshole.

[@adlerheidemann5327]

youtube seems to be trying to censor you - i haven't had your videos in my feed for a long while! Fuck the system I hope this isn't happening to many others

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Thats worrying, thanks for letting me know

[@gavindabishinda1460]

Although Buddhists worship Buddha. It’s a nice philosophy to witness God bringing atheists back to worship.

[@evoluciondelaconciencia3826]

But BuddhaDharma is not about blind worship, is about the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path

[@gavindabishinda1460]

@@evoluciondelaconciencia3826 But can the four noble truths and eightfold path be reached, without first surrendering to the Buddha. Surrendering to the Buddha is pure worship.

[@parki5074]

you can adupt people and shit

[@dag4710]

How does atheism explain near death experiences, ghosts / paranormal, arterial projection, demon worship, exorcism, high level Freemasons?

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

It doesn't, but nor does "God" explain most of those things either, so lets not put unrealistic demands upon atheists.

[@evoluciondelaconciencia3826]

Samsara

[@dag4710]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica Wrong. It's all in the bible minus perhaps astral projection although I believe there are passages that are probably related to astral projection.

[@dag4710]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica The Freemasons are mentioned indirectly in the bible imo through more than one passage.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

@@dag4710 are you suggesting that the bible is proof that these things are real?

[@andrewharrison8210]

Watched the clip on Leo gura. It's obvious your not ready for the shift to God consciousness and do not understand how the world is a projection of your own mind and you are the creator. You are still in darkness and getting pushed around in your own dream. Realise this is a dream and you will then realise you are a God. This is realisation that leads to instant spiritual awakening. Words and language are concepts, before you took the name to be you you were still aware of being and this awareness is the real you, before all concepts,language and images you were still aware.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

That awesome mate. Hopefully one day I will awaken like Leo and live my life as a malnourished delusional hermit with a porn addiction - until then though mate I'm fine with the current state of my consciousness as a human being 😉

[@andrewharrison8210]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica it's not about Leo it's about the truth and it's obvious you do not realise the fundamental truth that you are in a dream and untill you realise this you will be stuck in this matrix putting other dreamers down by your small minded comments and ignoring the message being transmitted.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

Cool! Sounds like "the fundamental truth" is working wonders for you mate 😁

[@kam_the_shaman]

@@AdeptusPsychonautica I’m sorry but calling someone a malnourished hermit is a bit extreme considering he has lots of videos about dieting and living a healthy life outside spiritual work. Im not defending Leo but if someone said something like that to you it’d be pretty mean considering you haven’t said something of equal animosity. People with any kind of spiritual insight don’t talk to people with this kind of hostility it’s clear the psychedelics haven’t told you anything about treating others with respect. He could just as well call you a traumatised mummy’s boy but don’t think you’d like that.

[@AdeptusPsychonautica]

@KARDZ I think the phrase you are reaching for would be "traumatised boy with mummy issues", after all its quite hard to be a mummy's boy when you didn't grow up with a mother. Semantics aside though that description of me would be entirely accurate, and I don't take myself that seriously that I particularly care how people describe me - perhaps the psychedelics haven't taught you that lesson? Still I can concede that its not a charitable description of Leo, but if you read the conversation here then its hopefully clear that I am simply trying to pop the cult-like mentality of someone who is putting Leo on a pedestal, and sometimes the best way to do that is with a quick reality check. Likewise to yourself, if you think Leo making a video about a particular topic immediately makes him an authority on that topic (nutrition, diet, etc) then you are simply wrong. If he is such an esteemed health guru then why does he have such health issues?