Psychologist & Wife React to Sister Wives Season 18 e.3|

[@xxspudsmomxx]

…..and David why are your pet peeves more important that Allison’s triggers… maybe if she had said that’s my pet peeve instead of trigger … would that be more palliative to you David?

[@PopPsych]

I think you mean “palatable.” Please recognize- I’m not perfect. Just because I have an education in Psychology doesn’t mean I don’t make mistakes or let my excitement get the best of me. Please also recognize that I am the one editing these videos. I chose to leave that section in. I thought Allison responded well and I thought it was a good moment for our viewers to watch. I am not trying to act like a motivational guru that is perfect in his/her relationship. What you saw was a real interaction between my wife a me. Sometimes I don’t get it right.

[@OneMinuteSewing]

yeah this is kind of a "kind or right?" situation. Also she told you that when she sees someone cutting off someone else it reminds her of the upset she feels when you do it to her. As she was telling you this, you interrupted her and when she told you that you didn't apologize, you justified. Yes you could have edited this out but that doesn't give you points to count against not apologizing.

[@norinoritamago]

@@OneMinuteSewing Agreed. Also he’s a repeated offender. When you repeat your behavior over and over, it’s no longer a “mistake”.

[@WhatsMarlyUpTo]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't keep my mind on what you were saying after the cutting off argument. I was quite distraught. I'm like your wife in that I lose my train of thought when I am cut-off. I noticed your wife wasn't there at the end, I hope she's ok.

[@PearlsandRoses]

@@WhatsMarlyUpTooh my goodness!😂😂😂 his wife is a grown woman who can and HAS spoken up for herself! I think she's fine!👍❤️

[@Rebecca-ft6el]

I don’t care if it’s not appropriate…Kody fully earned that Eff You 😂

[@songriver1232]

Yup

[@andibea11]

it felt SUPER appropriate to me

[@tigerlily9929]

Incredibly appropriate.

[@marthaosburn-henry1087]

I am so proud of Janelle for the FY!

[@Lillystromhollow]

Even under-appropriate!

[@Rae-s8w]

Cody lunging aggressively with voice raised and finger in her face her face gives Janelle every right to give in to her anger to be heard

[@krissyfishie101]

Yeah I’ve always agreed with this this gentleman until his take on Janelle cursing. I’m sorry, but as a male he has no idea what it’s like to be cut off and have a finger pointed in your face aggressively. Whatever words came out of her mouth are warranted after that.

[@CR-pp3yg]

@@krissyfishie101 I completely agree. Men have no idea how much they over talk and are overbearing to women. Heck, he was to his wife. And I was totally annoyed by his mansplaining both “gaslighting” and “triggered”.

[@kristinesharp6286]

Yes I think the finger in the face and the earlier argument where he was threatening outside just let the pair to this being the normal communication.

[@mjc42701]

Lets be honest, Kody does not want any relationship but Robyn, Janelle said, and I think it was this episode, "Kody doesn't want to take the responsibility for ending these marriages so instead he uses excuses and treats them badly until they say enough and leave." This is it, nail on the head.

[@songriver1232]

Agreed

[@kirielbranson4843]

I don't think he is doing this consciously though. I don't think he is self aware to figure this out. Plus I do think he likes the idea of plural marriage and hates when they leave. He has been very happy and clear about Meri. I expect if he knew he was done with Christine and Janelle he wouldn't be so crazy with them. He could deal with one "divorce" since it was on his terms and he still had three wives. But losing another and then another without it being him to decide that is a real ego hit. Which is also why I don't think he is conscious that he wants to end it. He knew he had what he wanted with Robyn and didn't really care to spend time or work things out with the others but has an image of himself and what a man in his culture should be.

[@justbeingme7719]

I think Kody knows what he's doing. He wanted to treat them like garbage, but hang around like Meri...or at least he wanted their funds to stay. Janelle told it like it is.

[@dawnmarshall9315]

@@kirielbranson4843 I am not so sure of that. He has said numerous times on the show that the husband cannot get rid of a wife...that it has to be the wife's decision to leave. I think he is a bit more conscious of his decisions than that. Seriously messed up. I don't think he actually believed they would leave though. I think he just wanted the other two to fall in line like Meri...living the pretend wife status while he keeps his show, money, and robyn.

[@ocg-tax817]

What he wants from Janelle and Meri is their money. That's it. He's not interested in a marriage. He needs $$$ to keep Robyn happy.

[@krystlejade9126]

I love that Janelle FINALLY called out Kody's pattern of escaping the label of being the divorce initiator by severely neglecting a wife until SHE asks for a divorce.

[@kimmiej6158]

Exactaly! He doesn't want relationships with any of them except Robin, and maybe her daughter (when she is old enough) . Can you say Woody Allen syndrome?

[@michele1491]

Yes!!!

[@rb4382]

Yes! I thought that was the most insightful part!

[@tracimcmurray5244]

Cowards way out.

[@susanlaperriere8815]

I agree, and Cori planned this this was all rehearsed what he was going to say. He wants Janelle gone. He’s doing the same thing to Janelle that he did to Christian.

[@AChickandaDuck]

I agree that it’s not okay to tell a spouse to go F themselves, but MAN it felt good to see Janelle say it to Kody. 😂

[@HappyPlace5-bi2xe]

People say a lot of things when they are at the end of their marriage. Why walk on eggshells with someone who doesn't respect you or care about you? If it's over say what you want b/c there is nothing to save.

[@lynettelukens7423]

She never said that. He is wrong and it’s really bugging me

[@AChickandaDuck]

@@lynettelukens7423 true, technically she said “f you”

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

He earned every letter, in caps lock no less, of it.

[@jackiepeale8572]

👍

[@lizmorgan2902]

When Janelle Shouted the F word to Kody - I feel it was her FINALLY standing up to him and it was powerful in that he must have been shocked, but it was her FULL STOP on this marriage. Go Janelle!!

[@abeal49]

it's not the first time we have seen her use the F word with him

[@marywilliams5262]

I think Janelle was being real.

[@Sail392]

When a marriage has completely collapsed due to his emotional, financial abuse and neglect…I don’t find it necessary to grade the appropriateness of her choice of words. You’re right, that F U was a long time coming.

[@bathbedbook]

​@@Sail392💯 Yes! Thank you! So condescending going on about Janelle finally calling a halt to all that constant interrupting, finger pointing, shouting and leaning over her sneering. Hysterical how someone purports to being a trained psychologist and can't read the room. OMG his wife is very patient with him 🙄😒

[@lisazimmerman5622]

@@bathbedbook from a HEALTHY relationship standpoint, David was 100% correct. If two people want a relationship with each other, that kind of language should be unacceptable to them. If we say Kody is abusive in his actions, so is Janelle in her swearing. Full stop. Yes, I cheer her on for finding her voice and being done. But at the same time, it's clear she is at a different place than Christine. She is seeing her marriage implode in real time during filming even if it's been a long time coming. She hasn't had the chance to really process it and work it out for herself in or out of therapy the way Christine seemed to. The difference in their demeanors is very indicative of this. Christine was done for years, and was at peace with that by the time she told Kody. Janelle was still invested. It's still her faith (at the point of filming). So, her reaction was more raw. But also, not the best reaction for someone wanting to rebuild. Any therapist would acknowledge that. It doesn't invalidate her feelings to say she probably should not have dropped the F bombs there or in previous instances. Anger = cover emotion for fear and pain. Not only for Kody but her. And any of us.

[@conniecat77]

Kody has all these rules for Covid, yet he goes to a wedding and dances with many people and no mask! Rules apply to everyone but him!

[@gerryhatrick6678]

And he and Robyn never even got vaxxed.

[@jennifertashik298]

Sounds like the government rules for the but not for me

[@reginajohnson353]

I wish Janelle would have pointed that out

[@bethabaldo8399]

And Robyn needed a babysitter while quarantined

[@goodgollymissm777]

And Kody REFUSED to go with Ysabel for her Scoliosis surgery....not even for a few days.....yet can "OFFICIATE" his friend's wedding for 4 DAYS. POS 💩

[@Aliensemble]

I feel like as a therapist this would have been a great time to discuss reactive abuse. I feel that Janelle is finally seeing the depths of the abuse that she has endured over her marriage with Kody and she is angry now that she is clearly being discarded by him.

[@i3mma]

Can you give example of this abuse in this context(tv show)?

[@Aliensemble]

@@i3mma Janelle is clearly reacting to being shamed and guilt tripped for the deterioration of Kody & her children’s relationship. In this clip - Kody is telling her how she calls him names, talks bad about him to the kids and makes fun of him ( all things that he has done to her). He is trying to make her think that she is to blame and that she is the abuser so she blew up at him by cursing and yelling. One person can only take so much. It’s a direct reaction to the abuse Kody has put on her.

[@i3mma]

@@Aliensemble Oh thanks for explaining. I saw it but didnt know that what it was called.

[@brandyfloyd2164]

Meh, he probably doesn’t know what that is since he was so quick to invalidate his wife’s feelings and then mansplain to her that she’s not triggered, but frustrated.

[@Hadassah_the_Yenta]

I so love to read the thoughts of other therapists who watch this show. I like your perspective. He has been emotionally, verbally, and psychologically abused these woman for decades. I wonder if he’s ever been physically abusive the way he quickly got into her face and suddenly realized the world was watching.

[@cherylolson3773]

Janelle has years worth of frustration that she has not been able to get out. She has finally found the strength to fight back, and yes saying FY is coming from a deep place in her. I think this is the actual point where she finally sees it’s over.

[@helixmoore7636]

I hope she can financially ruin him

[@lauriedettolspray8538]

That was so polite!! I agree!! Her emotions are running raw, and rightly so, frustrating to talk to a pack of Roman noodles!

[@karn5992]

She earned her fyou with blood sweat and tears.

[@songriver1232]

Yup

[@bethabaldo8399]

She was divorced before so she knows the result. But now she is older still has one child at home and dependent. Don't know her employer but her money from TLC is tied to Kody

[@gerryhatrick6678]

As the child of an ex Mormon I can tell, that letting a woman best him, or take control of a situation is the biggest humiliation for a man in Mormonism....he is mad because his ego took a hit and it was in a public way in front of his big tough guys dudes....his anger is not from sadness it is his ego took a hit. He was embarrassed in front of the world.

[@rubicita8815]

Yes, as an exmo myself and a daughter of a narcissist LDS member, you got that right, they don’t want to see themselves as weak because that takes away their manhood

[@runninggreywolf8313]

@@rubicita8815 I'm so glad you're out! I hope you're Never controlled like that again. God bless and be happy.

[@jakefromstatefarm3865]

Most men r like this....

[@nettiea9384]

That’s any neanderthal man in any religion…kody refuses but needs to Recognize that without these women and the kids he is NOTHING!!!! Well maybe not to the few ppl that still like him but that’s ur legacy! Ur kids r ur legacy. Their moms shd b respected! Otherwise it’s hurtful to ur own kids. Janelle deserves respect not BS manipulation and scapegoating. Nothing is her fault and it’s ALL his fault. He grosses me out it’s long overdue she recognize her worth

[@gerryhatrick6678]

@@rubicita8815 especially if it done by a lowly woman....they are second class in Mormonism with less intelligence because of their gender (In the male Mormon world)...the woman's job is to genuflect, cook, and make babies....and satisfy and itch the men want scratched while having no opinion....genuflect and recognize males are worth more is the Male Mormon motto....Kody is mad because he got shown up by a woman.

[@marygarrison9882]

He accused Janelle of lying a couple times in this episode. When she told him to call the kids, his response was only that he is open to communication with them. When Meri asked if he had reached out, he said he did. That was a lie and he knows it. He also lied when Janelle said he hadn't been around for 4 or 5 months and said that wasn't true. There was an episode where his sons were with him on the property and Gabe said they hadn't seen him in 9 months. So ya, Janelle was off on the amount of time, but she wasn't lying when she said he had been absent. If I were Janelle I would have told him to F off long ago. Those ridiculous covid rules were a bunch of bs anyway. He used them as an excuse to not go to his daughters surgery. He used them as a reason why nobody could come to the house or him not going to the other houses. Yet he went to his best freinds wedding. He is an a-hole..

[@bettvandersleen5138]

Not to mention taking the 21 year old daughter of robins to get her ears pierced during Covid (cringe)

[@CyndiR-z3i]

I couldn’t agree more. Everything out of his mouth is a lie because he doesn’t want to lose face, his ego is off the charts and he has serious anger issues. I hate how he gets right up in his wives faces and points his finger at them threateningly with a raised voice. I don’t wish harm on anyone, but when he and Robyn got Covid, that was such Karma! He claims to be the head of the family and hates that Janelle and Christine are so independent, but they literally had to take on the role of head of the household, they had no choice because he was so absent and when Robyn came on the scene even more focused on Robyn. He also only listens to Robyn’s advice about his other relationships. How is that working for him so far? Robyn deserves his self centred behaviour. He needs to man up, stop listening to his “ pseudo-therapist” Robyn, and mend things with his children. They deserve a caring father who is a good example to them no matter how bad things become with his ex-wives.

[@melissahodgson1958]

Robyn got more than all of the OG wives- nanny, separate house from the start, dating for a whole weekend (when the wives only got one night a week), the biggest wedding, the dress chosen by the groom, longest honeymoon, farthest honeymoon, and the most parental attention by the husband of a plural marriage.

[@NancyB35]

This episode totally validates the kids feelings that Robyn is also part of them distancing from the family. Saying that would be “scary”, saying “Do u want them around because u struggled last Christmas with everyone around” & then in confessional says “they need to have a conversation first”. I’m sure he got that from you Robyn 🙄 They both are master manipulators.

[@GrannyDi276]

Yes!❤

[@ParadoxicaLeo730]

It's not scary it's that she is SCARED because she knows she's the master manipulator along with Kody except Robyn thinks she's being covert, and by definition she is, but if your eyes are open to the b/s like mine are then she's not. She's built from a bunch of hot air like methane from her own @$$. 🤣 Scared as hell, which is why she stays locked up in mcmansion + never lets anyone in.

[@DesireeLynnB]

He wants them (the boys, janelle), to come to him with their pride in hand, to sit like a captive audience and allow him to rant, rave, and condemn them. Maybe if they’re meek enough and chastised enough, and they accept the condemnation- then maybe (and that’s a big maybe) he will feel validated and allow them back in his life.

[@kanditraxel]

So, I hope Robyn had never said anything hateful behind the backs of the other mothers about them having LGBTQIA+😢 children. I say that because I'm pretty sure she has one (I have 2, and sometimes it makes it easier for me to see). So if she has ever said anything mean about the kids of any of the other wives for being LGBTQIA she just might be in for a rude awakening if I'm seeing what I think I am.

[@snazzymo2211]

Allison you go girl, tell him not to cut you off! Lol

[@carmmalkeith-keenan6044]

Thanks for your take! My heart breaks for Janelle when she has the on screen realization that she has nothing. 😢

[@bettvandersleen5138]

She needs a lawyer…. Janelle and other two wives contributed financially for 25-30 years, where Robin has never had a pay check coming in, and has also only been involved for half of the time! Any taxes filed will prove income for these women, and ALL of the assets and accounts should be divided evenly between the four! (Kody, Meri, Janelle, Christine!) Robin should not be included because she has never financially contributed! Kody owes these women that… they have been providing everything for Robin and Kody, her three previous children, and their two children together for 15 years! Including their lavish spending, wasteful spending, and providing for robins shopping addiction. They would be silly not to hire one….

[@maganalia]

She needs to write a tell all book.

[@lulahbelle970]

He baits Janelle until she explodes and then uses that as his out. Can FEEL her literally grasping in that moment.

[@flenzy]

I was with a guy who was so manipulative and I bended and stretched to try to adjust and finally I just popped. If anyone was watching that and knew the history, they would have said "Well, it's about damn time, girl." On its own, it probably looked like a was crazy. I think Janelle has amazing patience and to see her in this scene? You go, Janelle!

[@tamicox990]

I don’t think you can fix something you don’t want to fix it. Janelle said it all- he was tired of the other relationships so he just made a plan to ignore those relationships and manipulate the women into thinking it’s their fault . He just wanted to be with Robin and her children and he doesn’t care about the others.

[@shelleykapp9637]

Spot on!!

[@tiaa668]

Well said, you hit the nail on the head 👏 Unfortunately for Kody, I think people have told him everything is all his fault when they have seen him in public

[@christinabrodrick6406]

Absolutely

[@erinbrinker33]

Robyn is Wormtongue from LOTR. Her manipulation is naked. She basically made sure that he does not invite his other kids at Christmas. I wish Janelle had simply said, “if you want a relationship with your kids, call them. It has nothing to do with me.”

[@lorianabanana6066]

Right??!!! The way she manipulates just Meris is DISGUSTING. Let alone her whispering in Kody's ear 24/7. Poor Meri. Robyn talked her out of going back to school. She got her to move to Flagstaff. She gets her to stay in the marriage when Kody is OBVIOUSLY done and doesn't love her. And now she can't even SEE the boys she helped raise? Let alone Leon. And what does Meri get back? She lives alone. She gets to see Kody and Robyn for cold driveway talks once or twice a month maybe? And she's there at holidays so Robyn can pretend to live her 'Porch Dream'. Her BFF Jen lives out of State and can only come by once in a while- but at least SHE made it to Meri's mom's funeral which niether Kody nor Robyn did. Meri lives alone- the only socializing she gets is her Lularoe Facebook Lives. And she keeps sending checks to pay off Coyote Pass. No WONDER she was Catfished!!! She must be so lonely.... All because Robyn whispers poison so she can keep Meri around on a shelf to use when she pleases. And now Meri isn't 'allowed' to see her kids because it's 'scary' to Robyn. And what is so ScArY exactly? The boys would go over Meri's (where Robyn NEVER goes anyway) eat a bunch of food, watch Xmas movies and bad tiktoks, get some new PJ's and go home. How terrifying 🙄. What actually scares Robyn is Meri having outside support and not being able to control the narrative if she isn't there. She thinks the boys are going to manipulate and sh^t talk because that's what SHE does. Out of the long, long list of crap Robyn has pulled this might be the worst in my opinon. Sorry for the rant but OMG it infuriated me!!!

[@gerryhatrick6678]

LOL...she IS Wormtongue for LOTR. I never thought of that before, but you are RIGHT on the money.

[@threadyorknot4423]

I need a picture of Kody with that foggy filter on him with her whispering in his ear!

[@heatherwells6507]

Janelle did say that this episode and he went off on how it is her responsibility to be a go between. So there is no accountability on his part.

[@GrannyDi276]

​@@lorianabanana6066 well said!❤

[@minniekay1240]

Can you please discuss Kody asking Janelle about parenting with Christine and her response was he was never available. Also, I thought it was spot on that Kody wants out of the marriage with Janelle, but wants to make it Janelle’s fault. I was glad to see she understood this.

[@AM-rs1nz]

Imagine if Christine had NOT helped parent the other kids - isnt that the whole purpose for having so many moms? That they all help?

[@maryelaine-blinstrubchambe6083]

​@@AM-rs1nzexcept for Sobbin, she wouldn't even let the family eat at her house unless she gave it to them. She never mothered the children that didn't come from her belly.

[@cinderoberts7711]

He certainly didn't say he wanted to be around the people he loves. It was, as always, about being with the people who love HIM.

[@paulan7218]

They are having Mary make the final decision so that they can lay the blame Mary’s feet if anyone complains

[@maganalia]

If Meri didn't realize that right then, she's away with the birds

[@Mamaisawake]

Kody should have hosted Christmas and texted everyone the time and place. Period. That’s what the leader of the family does. And Mari should have been able to do the same with the kids. Hey Everyone! come for pajama party Christmas Eve at my house at 6! What’s the big deal? EGO. And no conflict resolution skills.

[@colleenhaley9677]

He would rather be Mr. Right than reach out to his family members he is at odds with. He also plays "move the goal post" when he's with Janelle.

[@ZHab336]

Kody did the exact same thing the psychologist is describing as gaslighting

[@michele1491]

He’s not gaslighting, he is scapegoating.

[@christinesagemoen740]

I'm Norwegian, actually from North Norway, and we have a quite colourful language.. It doesn't mean that my relationship is unhealthy.

[@hfjvilu962]

I was looking for someone with this opinion, because I struggle to see f you in this setting as abusive. How fitting you're also from Northern Norway 😅

[@thompsoncindy42]

Advice to Janelle: My ex left me broke at 50, but that left me FREE of him!!! My advice to Janelle: thank your lucky stars you are educated, healthy, and able to make a BETTER life for yourself. You cannot change Kody so don't waste your time. Your children are healthy, mature, fully functioning adults - you are blessed! Don't look at the things Kody seems to have because he may have things, but he does not have love, relationships with his children, contentment, positivity or self-awareness. He is a miserable man and makes everyone around him miserable. He will always play the victim. Janelle, YOU have nothing but blessings on your horizon!

[@conniecat77]

Nicely said!

[@FragileLikeNitro]

Amen

[@jae6335]

What a wonderful comment! I hope somehow Janelle sees it. In real time, Janelle is happy, feels free, and feels like she has endless possibilities.

[@GrannyDi276]

Several seasons ago Kody pontificated at Coyote Pass & stated that the family was in the way of his goals. I really took notice because it was such a terrible thing to say. Then we've watched as he has proceeded to, one by one, force his wives by his abhorrent behavior, abusive behavior, to give up & leave. There is absolutely a method to his madness & the prize is that now million+ valued house he & Robyn live in & Coyote Pass. He manuevered everything so his & Robyn's names are the only ones on the home even though all of Meri's money from her Las Vegas house sale & half of Janelle's sale, plus family money went into that. He's divided Coyote Pass in a drawup giving himself & Robyn the bulk of the land & put his & Robyn's names on even the other wives' lots ( Christine's off it now). He has verbally & mentally pummeled, intimidated, withheld his love & presence, & manipulated to the pt of gaslighting, I think, so he & Robyn will get it all. Those two are very devious....just my opinion, looking at the big picture. And we see solid, practical, loyal Janelle (my favorite) who has sacrificed the most financially.....she got them into the big house with an inheritance, She got them into the Las Vegas homes by cashing in her IRA, She was the largest financial support for years while Kody ran around playing at working. Kody & Robyn together have absolutely gaslit all of them with their lies, pretense, & manipulations to where Janelle who trusted the family structure & them has been left with nothing after working so hard all of those years. I hope she hires a good lawyer & goes after them. "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil". Yet Janelle truly has ended up with the greatest treasure... the love, respect, & support of her children! Kody is a very foolish man.❤

[@albertinemangercats8349]

I think this is it - these wives have worked all these years but nothing to show for it, all the money is under Kody's control. Could it also be why Janelle stayed this long? Hoping for her own house? Were there any contracts or written agreements about money, like with a legal marriage? I am so much more interested in the admin than in the drama...

[@cremebrulee4759]

​@@albertinemangercats8349I would be very surprised if there were any contracts. Everyone (with two notable exceptions) was expected to contribute to the shared family funds, then the money was paid out to the members of the family as needed. This created an extremely inequitable situation, but this was part of their religious beliefs. Is ironic that janelle, who is I thought the most financially savvy, ended up being the one with the greatest financial sacrifice. She was left with basically nothing, and I think that's why building a house on coyote pass was so important to her, because she hads no financial assets. Her belief in supporting the family unit overrode her financial common sense. I don't know what kind of legal recourse she or Mary will have as far as getting back out some portion of what they put into all of this. I would hope that the money that they invested in coyote pass at least would entitle them to their fair share of that property, but because they're operating within a conventional financial and legal structure, I don't know what rights the have. I hope that what happens to them financially is shared with the public.

[@mariahm9181]

Robin never welcomed the other kids into her house. She wanted the family to accept her kids but she did not accept and build relationship with Meri, Janelle, and Chistine's kids.

[@spoiledartist9471]

Janelle said in the honeymoon episode that they had to call Robin to get permission to pick the kids up from her parents so that they could spend time with them…. So it started by not having her children stay in the main house with all the kids on Robins honeymoon!!!!

[@candacebarlow9296]

Remember when she got upset because some of the kids ate "her" cereal as a snack

[@maganalia]

No because her kids had to be top of the heap. She succeeded with that. Now she just has to figure out a way for Kody to get rich.

[@dramallamamama]

It really goes back to the fact that Kody (no doubt at the manipulation of Robyn who denies it) DOES want the boys to apologize. He wants the boys to apologize for blaming the Covid rules on Robyn. He wants Janelle to apologize for not supporting “his”(Robyn’s) Covid rules. The fact that Meri, Kody, and Robyn are still distancing and outside (even though Meri is vaccinated against Covid and R & K already had it) yet Kody doesn’t have any qualms sitting with others in their homes, going unmasked to weddings, etc. further proves the Covid rules weren’t Kody’s, but Robyn’s. Furthermore, repeatedly telling Janelle that he didn’t say what he DID say, what he’s on camera saying, what he says to her in private, etc. IS gaslighting. When you know someone told you something not once, but repeatedly, yet they deny it over and over again, it DOES make you feel like you’re going crazy. Narcissists like Kody and Robyn do this constantly. When their words and actions are constantly at odds, it IS a form of gaslighting because it makes the sane person question their sanity. If you’re always hearing “I want to be close with my sister wives” yet they constantly CREATE obstacles for that to happen WHILE continually saying the opposite, how is that NOT gaslighting? It may not be a deliberate attempt to make a sane person think they’re going crazy, but the result is the same. Whether my narcissistic dad MEANT to make me question my sanity or not, he twisted reality to fit his narrative and constantly changed his story, factual events, etc. to the point where I literally questioned my sanity. I would have to keep copies of letters, emails, record conversations, etc. so that I could go back to them and PROVE TO MYSELF that I wasn’t crazy. Whether he intentionally gaslit me or not, the effect (from his inability to take responsibility for his own words and actions and need to blame others) was the same: his insistence on always being right, despite reality, made me feel like I was going crazy. That is gaslighting.

[@maganalia]

I think there's a secret wife in Robyn's house.

[@LX-kt90rx]

@@maganaliamaybe it’s the beloved nanny lol.

[@laurenvanvice7137]

Kody enjoys pushing people to the edge. He knows Janelle very well at this point and prefers to push her past her limits so that he can be the official victim. One of the most upsetting things about being in a relationship with an abuser of any kind or even just someone who absolutely refuses to take accountability is the corrosive effects on ones own behavior. One of the good reasons to get out is getting back to being your best self. I'm not interested in pointing out Janelle's misbehavior in the interest of fairness. She knows it wasn't an ideal choice. Being moved to that place was, as she later says, a sign that it was time for her to end the relationship. Also, even if you're technically correct that your spouse is misusing a term, it's upsetting to watch you cut her off and correct her while she's trying to express her frustration. Nobody wants to watch you lean on your expertise while your wife is in distress.

[@grilledcheeseandsoup1652]

I agree with you 💯 on both points. Especially the point that he talked over his wife putting her in distress, and then claimed " I'm not that guy" instead of staying sorry to her. I'm not surprised she left the conversation. He made the same mistake as Cody, wanting to be right to feed his ego.

[@WhatsMarlyUpTo]

Thank you for your comment on cutting off his wife. Just realized as I typed that... It's kinda like how Kody cuts someone off and then justifies it later.😮

[@jennissley6870]

This!!!

[@lindaefraim5895]

But he did a miscalculation, he thought he could put Janelle out of controll so she says and do something stupid in front of the camera and realize he’s on the way to slip too so he point his finger into the camera. I remember in the beginning he said his family didn’t watch the show. But then Christine started to watch it and saw Kody during the talk between the scenes and realize he said exactly what he felt. So she knew his feeling for her and she started to move away from him and then used what he had said against him. Kody on the other hand didn’t understand at all why Christine said things he knew he never told her but also knew he had said so he got confused

[@laurenvanvice7137]

@@lindaefraim5895 He did though. He caused her to lose her cool. As far as anyone knows and as far as her adult kids have said, she's not the kind of person who shouts obscenities at people on a regular basis and would rather not.

[@amyburden921]

When she called him manipulative and then he started to ask her to talk about that more, but THEN decided to DEMONSTRATE manipulation by cutting her off and pointing out the camera in the room and yelling for her to talk to the camera. And DIDN'T allow her to talk AT ALL. Thanks for showing us how manipulative you can be with your wife.

[@jogrubec]

I think that Kody has used decades of therapy to learn what he is supposed to say to make himself look empathetic and pseudo accountable but I believe he uses this to manipulate not to actually become a healthier person. I think this is why he can say the right things on the couch or with his friends but he doesn't actually believe it therefore his actions do not match what he has said.

[@paulan7218]

Well, I mean he has outright told therapist that he’s not going to take any criticism whatsoever

[@jogrubec]

@@paulan7218 that's right! It's like an information gathering session on what lingo he should use rather than introspection IMO

[@lisahuber9329]

that's why you never go to therapy with an abuser, they'll just learn how to hide their abuse better

[@squirrly001]

Yes! That’s why he uses words like “safe” and “triggered” etc

[@tracimcmurray5244]

Totally! My ex husband was diagnosed Bi-polar and ADHD (non-med compliant) and would brag "My doctor tested me for narcissism, but I fooled the test!" WHAT?!?! And yes, Kody would sit thru a therapy session, just like my ex, and learn all kinds of vulnerable things about his wives. And if it's near my experience and those of others, he essentially beats them over the head with that info. "Oh, you need this certain behavior or change for you to feel better? I'll either act like I'm changing to get what I want OR if I'm feeling you're not worthy or loyal, I'll use that offensive behavior to frustrate (trigger) you, my spouse, whom I promised to love and support."

[@caridad724]

What you said about finding leadership in Christine and Janelle instead of Kody happened in my own family. I love Alison's gorilla comparison. Kody demands respect but doesn't command it. I'm the youngest of 5 kids and when my father died, my narcissist oldest brother just randomly says, "Well, i guess I'm the family patriarch now." Everyone, including his own 4 grown children, basically laughed because he was literally sitting at the table of the real new patriarch, brother #4. That's the person who earned everyone's respect to lead our family. You can't just stomp your feet and declare it so, Kody.

[@kimchpm]

The nanny got COVID but they all tested negative. Breanna got it and brought it home and Cody snd Robyn got sick. Mad at gave for working etc and bringing it home but Breanna got them sick from her working but that was ok.

[@Aspur090]

No, I think Breanna got it at school. Because they were allowed to go back to school.

[@Rebecca-ft6el]

Yep double standards everywhere

[@mjc42701]

@@Aspur090 Doesn't matter, she still brought it home.

[@ProCreditAssist]

And he never got mad at Robyn's family for bringing it to them and he almost didn't sirvive😂

[@CoffeeBuzzzz]

Let's not forget he had a 99 degree temp!

[@lindaefraim5895]

Don’t tell your wife what she feel. If she feel triggered she feel triggered. Frustrated is something else. I totally see what your wife means because my husband does the same. It’s just to get the other part silence

[@kaleighjones-clark1680]

What I did not understand about Kody's conversation with Janelle is that Kody was so quick to blame Janelle for either talking negatively about him to her children OR manipulating his words so that the children were being given misinformation on purpose. However, Kody is wanting Janelle to continue to be the go-between for communication with his children. Why would a person be so upset that their words and meaning are being inaccurately spoken by an individual and yet still have that same individual be their spokesperson???

[@FragileLikeNitro]

So in his mind nothing is his fault.

[@emmakarena1]

Good point!

[@tracimcmurray5244]

Because he's a toddler-man and to a toddler, this is logical. 🤣

[@justbeingme7719]

Very well said! I didn't catch that!

[@MollysMom5]

A narcissist is always going to narcissist.

[@SoCoJudy]

Admit you cut your wife off. And if she feels triggered that’s how she feels. Don’t tell her what she feels.

[@lorraineearle5967]

💯

[@bree00osd]

But, we all understood what she meant.

[@Turquoise4eva]

He actually admitted to cutting her off. Though I dont agree with telling her how she feels. This maybe due to his profession. Professionals are human and humans are not perfect. I am certainly not perfect. Still I love watching his intake on things and hers as well. They are both entertaining.

[@cherieroberts3502]

Does Robin think Cody was at Christine’s every day helping her with her and Janell’s kids? Crazy. What is Cody doing that he is gone so much from Robins? He isn’t at the other wives…does he have a job? Robin has 2 small children and three young adults…how much help does she think she needs?

[@dakotablueskies]

I think he’s out gambling or something useless like that

[@SD-nh5yr]

My kids were 18 months apart...never had help.

[@DebraBeck3964]

Heck, Christine worked outside the home when the kiddos were little AND she raised 12 of the kids herself!

[@mjc42701]

@@dakotablueskies Kody sells ammo, guns and parts to build assault rifles, pictures on the internet of him selling at gun shows during this time, he or the people at the events were not wearing mask, the whole Covid rules is a joke, he is a known antivaxer, he officiated a wedding, didn't wear a mask and danced with everyone, do you think they all tested? and even then there is no guarantee, he also hung out with his buddies, no masks, lets be real, he wanted the marriages to end so he treated them like dirt so they would leave and he could play victim to the world but it backfired because the viewers are not stupid or brainwashed.

[@mjc42701]

@@SD-nh5yr My mom had eight of us almost back to back, she never had help and she was miserable and let us know it, especially me, I was the last and I was told as far back as I can remember that I was a mistake and treated as such, she is also a narcissist, my dad worked two jobs all his life and worked the day he died at 59, the thing is, unless it's against your religion to use birth control (like my moms) it is up to us women to control that part of it, I do agree that Robyn just didn't want to deal with her kids, she didn't work at a job so no reason to have a nanny with the older kids being able to help, plus Solomon and Ariella were 5 years apart.

[@dianaduncan1913]

My favorite line - "He's a caricature." So accurate!

[@conniecat77]

You go Janelle! It is about time someone stood up to Kody, even though he is to much of a narcissist to have it soak in.

[@cgm1030]

I just love your wife!! I got triggered in that fight as well be in a long term relationship with a narcissist (30 yrs for me) and I would dropped the F BOMB too out of frustration because the narcissist never listens to you EVER.. I was always the bad guy when I truly never was… Just looking at Kody triggers me!

[@farmgirl-nursedoc]

LET Alison TALK!! You guys are adorable!!😊

[@melaniecatchpole6024]

Are they? I think Pop psych often has it wrong and how is him cutting her off cute? Dont think his instincts ring true a lot of the time Low level semi mysogonist POV

[@bernimunro1299]

Agreed this guy also over runs his wife and then he does apologize because his on screen she looks like a second hand citizen on his channel just saying!!

[@norinoritamago]

@@melaniecatchpole6024totally agree. He didn’t even apologize to Alison this time. I felt bad for her because he made himself sound like he knows this stuff and call Janelle abusive for saying F word and yet he had this abusive behavior toward his wife and he justified it. Sickening.

[@DrofJustice]

Look, Janelle and Christine were the head of the OG family. They fed, taught, disciplined, financially supported, and loved those kids together. Kody had a role in that UNTIL he left them all for Robyn. They don’t divorce in polygamy, just leave their families for a new one. Kody knows, deep down, that he abandoned them all, and that he can no longer manipulate everyone to pretend it’s something different. It worked with Meri. The boys called him out first, then Christine threw him out, now Janelle is at her wits end and threatening to tell the truth - that was what the pointing at the camera was about. He equates this “disloyalty” with financial ruin to keep them in check.

[@m.ephistopheles]

@@melaniecatchpole6024 it's okay, he cuts Alison from the vid in the second half entirely 🙄

[@barbbaker467]

The anger is his world is changing because he can’t control his wives. I agree with Meri that it was stupid to leave and not work it out. Total coward!

[@cathywithac]

Swearing is not healthy in a healthy relationship. This is the end of a disintegrated relationship. 30 minutes after this fight, Janelle contacts Kody and tells him to pack up his stuff and move out. What Kody is not saying to Meri is that Janelle has just told him to move out and he does not want to face any of them with that news yet. Robyn knows and is keeping silent. She does not want to mix with anyone either.

[@lindabecconsall6317]

Robyn only wanted to blend their families on her terms from the beginning. Examples: getting a Nanny rather than letting Christine watch her kids, the refrigerator note telling her stepchildren not to eat out of her refrigerator, replacing family traditions with new traditions, keeping or creating distance between the siblings, telling her children that other family members didn't want to spend holidays with them, etc ...

[@jennissley6870]

And some people aren't worried about the f bomb. Shut up, shut the hell up, shut the f up. Aren't unhealthy words.

[@lindaefraim5895]

@@lindabecconsall6317 Robyn call the kids step kids says it all. She doesn’t want to blend them at all because they are the stepkids and she’s the stepmom. She even say stepsiblimgd about Solomon and Ariella Mae when she talk about Kodys other biological kids even if these two little kids are half siblings not step siblings. The other kids have never said stepmom about any of the moms or stepkids

[@kristinesharp6286]

He was wearing a different coat and complaining about being cold. I doubt that was filmed right after.

[@ltldxy71]

I think Meri could just invite the kids to her house for Christmas Eve and give them their usual jammies gift. Leave the rest of the parents out of it. That would be a win-win. She gets her own Christmas magic and no parental fighting or stink eye going on in the background. Everybody gets a break from the nonsense for one evening.

[@LynnWahby-q8g]

Meri is still trying to curry favor with kody. She should just have invited everyone over for Christmas. I'd be letting everyone know that everyone had been invited so those who didn't show up would be exposed.

[@thompsoncindy42]

Narcissists like to point out in others exactly what they are doing themselves!! The lack of self-awareness and the creating of their own reality does tend to make you feel a bit crazy IF you try to rationally understand it.

[@tracimcmurray5244]

Excellent point. I learned in dealing with narcissists, they almost can't HELP but reveal what they are doing or thinking because they accuse others of their own actions/thoughts. I started testing it out and observing and it's fairly revealing. 🤭

[@Millencyne800]

Love that u guys don’t always agree with each other, not just presenting ur relationship as 👯

[@steph5808]

10:43 “you’re not triggered” 😳 Allison’s reaction to you cutting her off invoked a pretty strong reaction. Im not saying she was triggered but you do have a habit of cutting her off and over talking her. IJS

[@norinoritamago]

Yes. I want to hear what Alison is going to say but he cuts her off too often! I can’t stand him treating his wife like that.

[@carriemccullough7675]

“Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.” Kody got his psychology from Yoda 🤣🤣🤣

[@jenncece5858]

I think language depends on the relationship. My husband and I had hot-blooded Irish/Italian arguments and were safe enough with each other that f-word emphasizers, et al, were just that, emphasizers. I really do think it depends on the couple.

[@FragileLikeNitro]

I do too. We don’t name call or go around saying “you’re gaslighting me I’m triggered” type stuff but I do think words are just words intent has more to do with it.

[@ninaradio]

In a formerly fundie Mormon household where “swearing” is usually them saying “oh, heck,” even a single FY is like setting the house on fire. But I think Janelle was at the point where she was ready to let it burn, and her outpost was pure honesty.

[@MeghanHagerman]

If I were Meri, Id invite who i wanted for Christmas Eve and tell everyone (cough Robin and Cody cough) that they can act like adults and show up or not

[@beckf1858]

The "Uh, no I'm not going to" reminds me of my teenage years. The immaturity of this fight is unbelievable, and it all starts with Kody.

[@mardyross2838]

...and female, lol.

[@lstarsabb]

Right was that suppose to prove how manly he was. "You. Don't. Tell. Me. What. To. Do. So. I'm. Not. Going. To. Talk. Because. Your. Not. Listening. " He was literally talking to her like she was 5 because he had to prove to world he's the all mighty 😂

[@anharaanialexanderaa3403]

Kody told Janelle that the boys have to apologize to Robin and him. Janelle said that the kids aren't coming because Kody needs an apology, and Kody says, I didn't say that!. That is gaslighting.

[@janspond4]

It’s captured a few times in the episodes, him saying that. That all broke my heart. The sons and Isabella learning on an adult level what their father is really like

[@lisasam2002]

Janelle said what we were all thinking. He PUSHED her to the end of her rope with him! What's worse is him putting his finger "in her face".

[@lynnebarnes3840]

"Ah, yeah, I've reached out to basically everyone." PANTS ON FIRE!!!

[@CoffeeBuzzzz]

Trigger warning: Alison gets triggered by David interrupting while David gets triggered by the word triggered 😂

[@mariabunch3541]

I didn’t appreciate the way you cut off your wife when she said something you didn’t like. I’m so glad she stood up to you.

[@albertinemangercats8349]

I think you may need to talk to your wife about her being triggered, because all women are triggered by this (a rising anger, heart rate and blood pressure at seeing this happen again and again) because we experience this all the time. In our family, at the doctors, teachers, with male friends... it is so infuriating! And it makes our life so much more complicated than it needs to be. And it hinders our future because the cut-off-person sees us as slower, or dumber than we really are. So yes, it is triggering...

[@heidikickhouse-]

Don't be silly. The husband knows best when his wife should stop talking. He has psychic powers and knows what useless point she will eventually be making, so it's best to interrupt her ASAP, after the first sentence, or even after a few words, before her point can be made. If she protests and tries to explain why this makes her feel so badly (the 1st step recommended by every m+f therapist everwhere), the husband can use those same psychic abilities here and tell her that she is NOT having the feeling she just expressed. Most importantly, when she again attempts to explain her feelings, the all-knowing husband can turn to her and laugh condescendingly right in her face. After all, YOU are the only professional in the room... how dare she think she had any knowledge about her own feelings?

[@trishhermes2]

I can't imagine being in at relationship where my kids' father needs me to act as his personal assistant. There are plenty of opportunities for him to get together with his kids socially distancing. He did it one time with Gabe and Garrison clearing the land. He said he and Solomom would go out all the time to do outside work. Why couldn't he have done an outside cookout with all the kids (the older ones could easily distance themselves unlike the little ones). There's a ton of things he could have done to still maintain covid standards while being a father. These things could have done so much to solidify the family especially the kids.

[@justbeingme7719]

Yes. But he didn't want to because it would interfere with his even bigger plan of trying to make himself appear that he is being rejected.

[@maganalia]

He was having poison drip fed in his ear about his family.

[@michellemooneyham1467]

Love you guys. I think everyone should have been invited to every gathering and those who don't want to attend can make that choice themselves.

[@cahatlady]

Exactly!!!

[@mardyross2838]

And have it at a more neutral place, like Meris house.

[@willowashe]

Kody also needs to treat the kids as independent entities from their mothers. The time for “co-parenting” for most of them is over. They are adults; he really shouldn’t be relying on the mother to mediate the relationships. If you want to see your kids, see them. Janelle and Christine aren’t their booking agents.

[@readying34]

0:10 i fully thought he said rutabaga

[@paulan7218]

Cody’s and robyn’s got exposed to Covid by the nanny, but they actually got Covid from Brianna who brought it home from school

[@melindadiaz3865]

I always appreciate the perspective you and your wife bring to these episodes. I know that Janelle telling Kody to F-You wasn’t appropriate, but if anyone deserved it , it was Kody. Team Janelle!!!!

[@goodgollymissm777]

I think the FU was very appropriate ❗🤣🤣🤣

[@LinaGenX]

Kody abdicated his role as a father for Jeanelle and Christine's 12 children, and he is mad they are co parenting. He should be glad someone picked up parenting and loving his children

[@sharonlea786]

3:15 please comment on how the editors included Kody bouncing on a pogo stick at this moment to let us know they think he is childish too 😂🤣😂

[@ALFeneFLA]

That’s Gwen.

[@jenncece5858]

Oh yeah, and ALLISON IS RIGHT! TEAM JANELLE!! *And, please don't tell Allison she's not "triggered" just because you don't agree with the word. Triggered is different than frustration. 😁

[@carmentenheggeler3824]

Yes yes yes, thank you

[@SuperMsPharmacy]

Are you triggered by his dislike of the word triggered? 😂

[@emoonae]

It’s not a misusage that bothers me as much as the misuse of the word “gaslighting” (oy vey!), but “triggered” used to be confined to describing the feeling when an action, situation, environment, inanimate object, etc causes you to relive past trauma. It’s a bigger word than being frustrated when someone interrupts you. Now, if historically an interruption from a past significant other always preceded verbal abuse, then an interruption *can* be triggering. All that aside, interrupting in general *is* frustrating and a little bit rude. Sorry!

[@granddeeg7515]

Yes Yes totally agree!!!!

[@jenncece5858]

@@SuperMsPharmacy Hahaha 😆 No, but I am by someone telling someone else they don't mean what they mean or feel what they're feeling, that's for sure! ✌️

[@granddeeg7515]

I've been waiting for this review since the episode aired. Thank you both!!!!! I agree with Alison on triggering. I know myself it's very very triggering for me to watch. Living with someone that was emotional and physically abusive, seeing this scene I literally have flashbacks of him showing out and the fear me and my kids felt. With years of therapy the nightmares no longer happen, but it will always be there. It's upsetting seeing you dismiss Alison feelings on this. I truly think its more than frustration for her. Maybe I'm totally off here, but to me it's very triggering of past events. Knowing these ladies have left helps or I honestly don't know if I could watch it.

[@lauriehuber8048]

I totally concur with you! As a survivor of physical, emotional, and mental abuse, it was very triggering for me as well! I would be doing 10 to life if he would have been that mean and snarky yelling in my face at this time in my life…

[@colinmackenzie5592]

OMG! My wife and I love watching your videos. In fact we really like the ones you do as a couple. Today, when you oh so rudely interrupted Allison (I’m kidding by the way) and she said she forgot what she going to say, I looked at my wife and said she’s the exact same way as you! 😂😂 You guys are relatable and entertaining. Keep up the good work!

[@WhoDoYouVoodooB]

No, it was rude. It’s okay to be honest about what you see. Not demonizing him, but I’ve seen a few of his sister wife videos before and this was the first time I noticed the behavior he had with his wife and how she was expressing her reaction. It was rude, and i hope he did apologize later.

[@Shopaholic-dj4tb]

10:50 you just cut me off like Kody does!! Omg I relate to this so much 😂

[@Daoneandonlyt]

The Nanny didn’t bring Covid to Kody, Brianna brought Covid to Robyn’s household. I also feel like Cody is very aware of what he’s doing, that’s why he’s now trying to act like he cares

[@breezevicknair3585]

The Eff you was completely appropriate. It's essentially self defense. 😂😂😂 sure would have been well within her rights to do worse. Eff you are just words, kody needs his ass kicked lol

[@CK-mw3pv]

Janelle, like Christine, has been ‘keeping sweet’ for DECADES under the constant abuse of Kody (be that verbal, emotional, financial, or worse). She’s finally aware of how he speaks of her behind her back. He refuses to take any responsibility for his actions, or for his children. Everyone has their limits and she was well within her rights to drop a few F bombs on him during this fight. It’s reactionary. Not abusive. He came in looking for a fight. You didn’t mention that he was up in her face pointing fingers and towering over her to exercise his power and dominance over her. The throwing of the cup and the slamming of the door, the name calling her lazy, among many other things, the rewriting of history to suit his narrative while making her question her reality. Why is he being let off for HIS abusive behaviour? I think if this is what we are seeing on film, he would be EXPONENTIALLY WORSE in real life. It’s just that he can no longer hide it under his inauthentic ‘goofy guy’ persona. He is a bad man, a terrible husband and a neglectful father. His own children say this. I’m frankly glad these poor women and their beautiful children are getting away from him. These women are victims of a misogynistic cult, and a clearly narcissistic husband. They are not abusers, but they are human. They are entitled to have a reaction. They also need to be given a little grace while they unravel the decades long brainwashing, abuse and neglect they and their children have endured under Kody and the AUB cult.

[@bindijean1]

Self-defence

[@bird0930]

Meri for certain shoukd have invited everyone-even Christine. They could then decide if they wanted to come but it wouldn’t have caused extra turmoil. And Kody 2000% earned every single fu that has gone his direction. And so does Robyn.

[@caracoates4834]

I feel like Janelle hit the nail on the head. He does not want to be married to these women and he has a pattern on how he gets rid of them. He abandons, ignores until they leave or in Meri's case emotion cheat then he can say I am a good guy and they are the bad ones.

[@daciadaniellarsen4060]

I think there are times when telling someone who is has been verbally attacking you "F*ck You" is absolutely an appropriate level of defense against the things they are saying.

[@dianedavidson3533]

I love your "public service announcement" and I'm in total agreement! I'm also in agreement with your cute wife that you should let her say if something "triggered" her. I'm also with you on the incorrect use of the term "gas lighting". I enjoy you both.

[@FerriesFamily]

Love you, Mrs C! Your insights are just as valid as Mr C! Look forward to your videos every week. 😁

[@mollya30]

I felt very frustrated by how you ask Allison her thoughts.. and then overtalked her.. I also felt very frustrated by watching a psychologist getting upset by a word that he didn’t agree with and cut his wife off when she was speaking

[@cremebrulee4759]

I think it shows that regardless of your professional training and knowledge, that you don't always apply that knowledge and training within your own personal relationship. Sad and disappointing. Hopefully, he will learn and grow from this input from people. No one is perfect.

[@PlatinumFall788]

It only took her 30 minutes after that to tell him to come get his stuff out of the small apartment he complains about 😂

[@debbiekerekes4209]

Actually I get angry when I am REALLY TICKED OFF!😂 And I HATE being cut off! It’s like a KNIFE to the kidneys. Cody needed the “F-you”. Sorry, I was relieved to hear her say that. She has gotten “messed-over” by him for decades. This is her saying, “no more doing it to me. Do it to yourself, I’m no longer available.”

[@terril.3030]

I just love your wife. I learn a lot when watching and listening to her communicate with you. She’s just awesome!

[@jennifermuller9352]

Your wife looked triggered when you cut her off

[@debrafisher7373]

I love that the camera guy stood up when Janelle dropped that first F bomb. You can almost hear him thinking "Oh 💩 is getting real!" 😄

[@screamingmimi3491]

Kody has been telling his wives FY through his actions- for YEARS!!!!!

[@BrokeStudentBeauty]

"Gaslight is a very advanced manipulation. There is nothing advanced about Kody." Hahaha!

[@taramama6658]

Oh it’s appropriate I’ve lived this and when it’s gone in for years and you find your strength at the end you finally speak up

[@candacebarlow9296]

Especially when she says stay and talk and he says, Uh, no. Like a little kid. He earned that F U

[@lynnebarnes3840]

If Janelle said, "Kidney, you are trying to gaslight me." Would make it more accurate.

[@nataliestalick1895]

Can someone explain to Kody that "I've basically reached out to everyone" is not the same as "phone goes both ways, and I'm available "

[@kaurborealis]

Exactly! He is such a liar. If he had reached out to any of his sons he would have said so to Janelle.

[@nurse_dog_mom]

Kept puzzling over the emotion/energy Kody displayed as he left Janelle. It finally made sense when I realized he was happy b/c he got what he wanted - a clear break that would not be his fault.

[@thompsoncindy42]

I agree that using the F bomb within a relationship or marriage is generally not appropriate if you want to try to make positive changes to repair damage. I think quite possibly when it does get to that point, salvaging the relationship is over or at least nearing the end. It becomes that line of demarcation that says "That's it. I'm done."

[@naomimcewan9744]

3:27 All christine asked for was for Kody to help tuck the kids into bed when she had been looking after them all day and had to go out to work in the evening, and for him to communicate and listen to her when she needed him to. Robyn had a nanny from before she was actually in the family (Mykelti was 13/14 and moved to Robyn's house hours away to help Robyn look after her kids, then when she moved closer she had aspyn help for a while before she got a nanny), Robyn wanted a big wedding she got that, Robyn "needed an 11 day honeymoon" she got that despite Christine having only given birth to Truley a few weeks prior to that, Robyn asked that he see her younger children every day even if it was only a few minutes and he did that, Robyn asked that he not be away from Sol and Ari for more that a couple of days and he then refused to do anything with any of his children from the 1st 3 wives that might mean he was away more than one night even when Ysabel went in for her spinal surgery he refused to go asking Ysabel to go on her own because he couldn't be away from his younger children for more than 2 days......forgive me but I am pretty sure Truley is only a year older than Solomon so technically she would be one of the younger children.....But yet he can take Aurora who was 19 at the time to get her ears pierced during the pandemic. 6:44 He does gaslight her during this disagreement saying he never made those rules, then when she points out he didn't tell anyone about the rules until November when Christine asked why the Nanny was able to be in and out of the house daily when everyone else had to quarantine for a week everytime they wanted to see him, he says they had been talking daily about the rules, he told the boys they needed to apologise to him and robyn then says he never said that.

[@squirrly001]

First of all, these episodes are from 2021 so that's why covid is still a topic which we are all getting bored with. I am not sure why they are so behind. Second, you are so right that Kody is very aware of the cameras and he is SO theatrical. Is he going for an Emmy? LOL I think he has always seen himself as the "Star" of the show and its really getting to him that the supporting cast is getting so much attention. What a dufus.

[@tigerlily9929]

I felt it was super appropriate. After he said he wasn't going to listen to her, "fuck you", absolutely called for. He has run her over constantly and is taking everything out on her. Kody is angry she is friends with Christine. Honestly, if she wasn't able to joke and have a sense of humor it would be more sad. I know the movie you are talking about. I do think he gaslights in general with his denying of behaviors, lack of accountability. It would cause someone to question themselves. It honestly really does.

[@MaggsnMe]

Kody said Christine was asking for things plural marriage didn't do so Robyn says that's why she had childcare but remember Christine saying Kody would bring Robyn's kids with him to her family time.

[@ProCreditAssist]

That time christine was watching sl.ething like 12 kids and worked at night. All kody had to do qas put his kids to bed, but no. However when robyn had a nanny she was not even workinv!

[@Greenfield234]

„There is nothing advanced about Kody“ 😂 Thank you!

[@JMP829]

Kody doesn’t want to be in any situation where he might be verbally “ganged up” on by the majority and not able to control the situation. That is why he was against Meri inviting everyone for Christmas Eve, against having a family Christmas anywhere but his & Robyns house, and likely a factor in why he was late for his daughter’s wedding recently, missing the actual wedding ceremony. Just my opinion.

[@joerudnik9290]

I love the silverback comment,that is so insightful. Kody wants to be the ALPHA ( but none of the responsibilities of the ALPHA.)

[@Tc92430]

It’s seriously disgusting how Kody has said multiple times he has no interest in a relationship with Mary, would be fine with not seeing her, but because she’s the last one hanging he’s all, “Mary what do you want for Christmas?” Like he actually cares about her feelings

[@lstarsabb]

right when was the last time he asked Meri what she wanted to do. He basically said that Meri can leave and he wouldn't care. He is going overboard to clean up his imagine.