The Psychology of Ted Bundy

[@melissasmith4180]

Please do the psychology behind women who love serial killers bc I don’t get it

[@daicycorinamagallon6804]

That’s a really good one!!!

[@carolynhaney3888]

We lived on Mercer Island near Seattle, 1960 - 1965. There was a little girl the age of my daughter who was about 8. I think her name was Ann Marie (Burr??) She disappeared out of her house and she was never found to my knowledge. I was horrified because I thought of my little girl. Later I read that Ted Bundy, 15, who was their paperboy. I'll bet he killed her.

[@anarita1233]

As someone who suffers from a mental ilness and being the highly emotional human being that I am I always felt so intrigued by Ted Bundy's case. Case our brains are obviously very different. I always wonder how can someone be so cold? I wish I could be inside his mind just for once. Was he born like this? Was his sadistic behaviour solely explained by his brain chemistry/ configuration? Did he had a genetic predisposition or any latent character features that were pointing to a certain direction and were suddenly trigered by life events? Did he ever felt love or affection towards someone? So many questions. This doesn't podcast doesn't answer all of them but certainly gives further understanding of the circunstamces and the important details that could possibly explain what made Ted Bundy the way he was. He is deffinitely one of the most complex human beings ever studied.

[@klaravandermerwe4566]

Im so obsessed with this channel. I go from 90day fiance readings to Ted Bundy 😂love it

[@erichaynes7502]

Ted Bundy was all over the national news when he got caught in Florida in 1978 and his trial was also closely followed in the national media. While he was on death row in the 80's many books were written about him and Mark Harmon starred in a very popular TV movie about Bundy's murder spree. In short, MILLIONS of people in the U.S.and around the world knew about and were fascinated by Bundy's case from 1978 until present day.

[@marcc325]

I remember watching the Mark Harmon TV movie back in the mid 80's.

[@hollywoodjaded]

Ted Bundy was so infamous while on the run that women cut their long hair off. A new hairstyle was basically invented, due to Bundy’s supposed fetish of females with long dark hair. Long hair was shorn, as this new short, shag cut (often with light-colored highlights) came into vogue. Everyone knew Ted Bundy.

[@majorkade]

Will listen at bedtime

[@lexiana4414]

Just found this today but i always listen stuff about seriall killers to sleep. Thank God im not the only one . Thought i was a freak 😂

[@polarbearsrus6980]

The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule was the best book on Bundy. She actually worked with him in a suicide hot line center.

[@JohnBrownsArmory]

Some people have speculated that Ted Bundy's father and grandfather are the same person

[@golfergal]

I was at the U of W in 1974 and lived next door to Georgann. I was witness to the aftermath scene of when she went missing and was a friend of hers. It was a nightmare. My husband was at Lake Sammamish on that day the he took Janice and Denise. It was a big new story at the time. The story really blew up after Lake Sammamish. When he escaped, we were all terrified.

[@anneleegirl1565]

He strikes me as the type that would blend in at a fancy dinner party. Not a good sign to be played by a sociopath he had no remorse for his actions and wanted to continue. Theres definitely a good reason for putting criminals like this to death because sometimes they escape. Its like letting a monster out of a cage when they just get a life sentence they will con people till somebody offers them the possibility for parole. At least Manson finally died though.

[@hormonallyreplaced]

When a child is fed lies and he ultimately figures them out, or is finally told the facts, what he hears is “You were never worth the truth.” I read where some detectives told his mom what he'd done, then were floored by her initial reaction - which was to ask if anyone wanted apple pie with ice cream (!!!)....

[@wandergirl332]

what do you wanna imply then about his mom?

[@marcc325]

@@wandergirl332 That his mother projected a state of denial.

[@Smokillo]

Lucy Ke that is so creepy

[@debrawehrly9031]

That was probably a defense mechanism such as denial.

[@GARY84ROCKS]

@@wandergirl332 Watch the Joker movie for an onscreen (fictional) example.

[@Glorindellen]

Ted Bundy WAS in my city in my childhood and I was very much aware of his activities before he was identified as a suspect. He was the mysterious boogeyman of my formative years. He killed a girl up in Pocatello who was 12 years old and had my name, but that wouldn't come to light until his execution, but he killed another 12 year old with my surname and I still remember the news report of her body being found in Lamb's canyon. I've always believed my fascination with true crime was a way to deal with my fears.

[@virginiagreen538]

That had to be very frightening for you as a kid?

[@kill3611]

Bundy killed two girls who where that age. Lynette culver and Kimberly leach. You must be talking about leach since culver's body was never found.

[@AnnaLee33]

There is no evidence, that Ted Bundy's mother left Ted at the home for unwed mothers because SHE didn't want him, right? --It's just as possible that her parents feared the 'shame' and wouldn't let her bring him home, and that she obliged for 3 months, and then she couldn't accept it anymore, because after all, she gave birth to him, and that creates a very special bond. Remember, if the rumours are true, his mother was a victim too, and changing an abusive fathers mind could have taken a while, which needed special caution...

[@Bobelsey11]

I'm so glad you mentioned the interviews from the documentary that showed police laughing and smiling while being like, "ya, probably some women are going to be murdered. What can ya do?" That really stood out to me in the documentary, I actually had to rewind it and watch it again to believe what I was seeing. That was really validating to hear you mention it, so thank you.

[@victoriadeyot9321]

I have to disagree, in Florida in the 80’s and 90’s Ted Bundt was absolutely a household name. I was 12 years old when he came to Florida, the same age as his last victim Kimberly Diane Lynch. My father was a police officer in Gainesville which is 2 hours South of Tallahassee where Florida State University is. They were alerted that Ted Bundy had committed these murders and that he was headed this way. He was ultimately caught in Jacksonville. Some weird points for me and my family: my father graduated from FSU and ultimately so did I. My dad’s sister lived in Lake City which was the place where he abducted his last victim, I am the same age as his last victim. I later ran a medical practice in Lake City and one of my employees had been a friend of hers, she recalled that as leaving to go home Kimberly had forgotten her purse so she parted from the group and went back to school, that was when he took her. The sister of a friend of mine was in that sorority house that night, she was severely effected. They decided to call for a change of venue resulting in one of trials being in Orlando. There was another serial killer recently caught that had been killing nurses so they didn’t want nurses on the jury because they thought there would be bias. My grandfather was actually called to be on the jury... they asked you have A son that graduated from FSU You have a son that is a LEO You have a daughter that is a nurse and lives in the small town where Kimberly was abducted You have a granddaughter the same age as Kimberly They asked him “taking all of this into account do you think you could make a fair and unbiased decision?” His response “hell no! The son of a bitch ought to dry!” Needless to say he was not chosen to be on the jury. I was actually a student at FSU On the day they put Bundy to death. It was a good day, most places served Bundy fries with every meal. It took around 10 years to get to the execution.

[@leapofsren2159]

My dad went to Florida State and lived off campus in a small cheap neighborhood. He loved trying out scopes on his gun by aiming at the door of his neighbor's house across the street. He practiced it a couple times a week I think. If you are wondering why a random college student would be practicing his scoping skills on his next door neighbor's house. His plan was to eventually go into the Navy as an officer. Well it was only till he came back from a trip out of town to find out that his Fraternity was in the middle of cleaning the sidewalk of a Sorority's front lawn while the girls inside were being murdered.... Not only that, but when more details about Ted began to be revealed; my dad found out that the house he used as target practice, was non other than Ted Bundy's house

[@Glorindellen]

what about Ann Marie Burr, the neighbor girl who disappeared when Ted Bundy was 14 years old? She was long before Stephanie Brooks. He would refuse to talk about her. It seems highly improbable that a future serial killer would happen to be acquainted with a girl who was grabbed and probably murdered by a third party.

[@ladybug947]

Glorindellen too disturbing to think of i heard of her, how he was 14 and her home was along the newspaper route he had at the time

[@PatandJoeMullins]

They had Dna in that case and it was tested recently and he was not the killer

[@carried.4515]

@@PatandJoeMullins I never heard about that. I guess ill research that myself. I always felt strongly that he killed ann marie , and that she was his first victim.

[@26michaeluk]

He didn't kill her IMO.

[@MisterFuturtastic]

@@PatandJoeMullins What are you basing this on? How do you know they had DNA of the killer?

[@Mchiqa]

Yes, I think there is a decline in serial killers because of technology. It's impossible to get away with it today, and it would take so much more effort to try to get away with it. Serial killers don't wanna be caught. Back then it was almost to easy being a serial killer. No cameras, no DNA... Ted Bundy was a grusom man. But he is fascinating. I've always been interested in the human mind. Why we do what we do. Why someone is so different from others. Back to when you talked about characters people like. I didn't like Scar in Lion King as a child - I cried when he killed Mufasa. But in my late teens I started liking that character. And when I got older characters like Sopranos, Heisenberg...etc. I don't know why. Probably because I distance myself from them. I know they are characters in a TV show, not real people doing heinous crimes, like Ted Bundy. And an other thing that fascinate me are women who got a crush on Ted Bundy. I can't understand it... Is it a way to self harm? Taking a risk, knowing they could die. To me its so strange.

[@LUDOfanGIRL]

At that lake they actually said it was a metalic bug it wasn't until later they said brownish. If you read Elizabeth's book his ex gf she explains it all and how she had told the cops but the cops kept saying he doesn't fit and that they had taken him off the list of suspects. His ex actually let the police know in the other city about how she thought Ted was the one killing his ex actually was the one trying to let the police know. I definitly recommend reading her book its soo interesting and you learn another side of Ted. The Zac efron movie is about his ex Elizabeth from her point of view. Heres a copy of her book I found in another youtube video in the comment section. drive.google.com/file/d/0BxMXD01f83W6N3FHQUdIREZ6VHhiNU1nNllLclN5aUpYUWZJ/view

[@angela6722]

I’ve often wondered why he found it SO difficult to talk about the crimes. A lot (but obviously not all) serial killers often describe what they’ve done in cold, chilling detail. Was it because he just couldn’t face up to what he’d done?

[@MisterFuturtastic]

Maybe it was because he lived a double life. He seemed to want certain people to believe he was a good person. Maybe he was just so narcissistic he wanted people to believe he wasn't what he really was.

[@NKA23]

Maybe it's just like with other "sexual kinks". Some people will openly talk about their fetishes, others will find it embarrassing to do so and only keep their preferences to themselves and their sex partners. It could be, that while he enjoyed the attention he got from being interviewed, he didn't really like to talk about the details of his crimes. It could also be, that he just understood that by telling all the gruesome details of what he had done, he would undermine the "image" he wanted to have. Also it might be, that he only wanted to be "mysterious", so he could remain SOME control over others, while being locked up in a cell, waiting for his execution. Finally one has to consider that Bundy was severly narcissistic and as a narcissist, he could only perceive himself as being something grandious OR as being totally worthless scum, so going too deep into the details would make it hard for him to not see himself as totally worthless scum, which narcissists try to avoid at all means necessary.

[@GolfingInParadise783]

I think how people perceived him was very important to him

[@Name260812]

His childhood was difficult - as if other people have picture perfect childhood. There are thousands of people who have less than perfect in fact u fortunate childhood. The deliberate actions in life are then to growing and doing something positive - not use the bad childhood as an excuse to waste your life and for sure not other’s life.

[@loribenvenuto4679]

Not sure its an "excuse" as more of an explanation. Well known fact that childhood trauma causes irreparable brain damage. Everyone is different... most ppl develope coping skills, while others develop maladaptive coping skills which lead to psychopathy. Life is not a 'one size fits all' endeavor.

[@IvanaKill.]

Also I wonder why some serial killers have wives or girlfriends and not kill them. I have heard it is because they want to blend in more with society, like a cover in a way so that they have less suspicion. And btw it would be interesting if you did a podcast on the psychology of Ivan Milat the serial killer

[@virginiagreen538]

He did try to kill his one girlfriend Liz!

[@26michaeluk]

@@virginiagreen538 how so? I've literally never heard that.

[@wandergirl332]

26michaeluk Liz asked Ted once if he did plan to kill her and Ted said yes. Ted confessed to Liz about his sickness the reason why Liz approached the authorities cus she was bothered

[@wallyabadia6828]

hahaha I laughed a lot 13:06 : "when he's not doing crazy eyes, he looks normal"

[@mojo212]

Love the reason for NOT being a serial killer. Germs...they are everywhere. Good choice!

[@daisycake]

The DEAL-BREAKER. I lost my shit

[@francaperotti5934]

That got me. I was thinking he is going to say he couldn't be a serial killer because he is against violence very emotional couldn't hurt another human being no the germs is the only reason 🤣

[@golfergal]

The "Home" for unwed mothers was quite common in those days. We had one in our town. Young girls did not attend regular school...all on the "down low'. We would watch them come and go...and then leave after the baby was born. Usually the babies were given up for adoption.

[@cbella2010]

Ted Bundy's childhood experience on bullying and shaming from the cousin(s), as i read on Elizabeth's book, i think also has a contributory effect to his personality... So basically, since infancy, to childhood, teenage years and young adulthood life, all accumulated for this kind of lack of empathy, killing, and possessing motivation...

[@carried.4515]

Ted lived in the university district for years. Trolling for victims and living a double life.

[@MisterFuturtastic]

One of the biggest things that was missed in this video and maybe missed in the documentary they watched is that many people think Bundy first killed a little girl when he was like 12 or something like that. And also I noticed that I think Bundy even confessed to it in his own way. The mother of the little girl wrote him a letter and asked him if he did it and Bundy wrote a letter to her saying something like - "I did not kill your daughter.. I did not run around at night stalking and spying on people" Something to this effect.. but these were things he was known to do.. so it was like he was admitting what he did in a covert way. Part of this may have been because in prison if someone is known to kill children the other inmates will kill them. Also, someone even claimed that when the little girl was killed who lived near him Bundy was even seen watching the family reacting to her disappearance. As if he liked the impact his crimes had on people as much as doing the crimes themselves or more. This seems to fit with the Zodiac killer as well... the Zodiac killer seemed to like to traumatize the community too. I also think that what is missed about Bundy or not recognized enough is that I think he must have enjoyed the impact he had on society... His infamy. OR he may have wanted to get caught. I think it's very strange he went to Florida where they had the death sentence and then committed all these brazen crimes. Part of him may have wanted to kill and part of him may have wanted to get caught.

[@sachabrady]

I see the term "malignant narcissism" used a lot in relation to Bundy. The claim being made is that to be a sadist, one must be able to empathise in order to recognise and 'appreciate' pain, and as conventional wisdom states psychopaths have no capacity for this, they cannot be sadists.

[@darrenphillips9084]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[@Shadoh13]

you said, the interest in serial killers was never greater, maybe BUT the time of serial killers is long over, the ones who really fascinated people due to their good looks, expensive long trials, shocking crimes and extensive media coverage are not here anymore...the likes of jeffrey dahmer, ted bundy, richard ramirez, john wayne gacy,, ed kemper, david berkowitz, gary heidnik or the zodiac killer (you could also add manson, I just didn't do it because technically he wasn't a Serial Killer) IMO the peak of serial killer time was from the mid 1970's to the end 1990's

[@ClassicRock1973]

Ted Bundy trial was the first murder trial every televised. Also, he was fascinating (he represented himself, he escaped police custody twice) and this is why he is so great

[@scottydawg1234567]

I actually found your discussion about fantasies and compulsions to be quite interesting, considering I originally started going to therapy for something similar. I would have these intense urges to harm myself or others. They were not super elaborate or planned out, except that at the time they usually involved knives and for a very long time being anywhere near them made me quite uncomfortable. Anyways, these urges were compounded by my naturally obsessive and anxious way of thinking, which made it so that I could not get them out of my head because they were so horrible and I was worried that I would eventually cave in and act on them. I would absolutely not wish them on anybody. My psychiatrist diagnosed me with OCD and ADHD in addition to my already-diagnosed Asperger's and put me on medication which has helped a LOT. I still deal with intrusive thoughts and a tendency to ruminate, but the medication I'm on makes them far less pronounced and easier to cope with.

[@xyic0re714]

Thanks for taking the time to put this episode together. Would you consider doing the psychology of Israel Keyes, and perhaps for the sake of the psychopath definition draw on a comparison between him and Ted Bundy? The other request I have, since you have a good way of creating a visualisation of your explanation, is to explain how to really identify a persons lack of empathy. I believe this is such a key component to much of the world of psychology, and if you don't have a solid grasp of this, you're going to have a difficult time.

[@torajohnson4998]

I don't think it's that there are less serial killers nowadays, I think it's just better forensics and people are caught before body counts get too high. Also, I think people are far more aware of children's mental health and are proactive in getting children and young people help before anything major happens. Of all the serial killer interviews I have seen, every single one had a problem childhood, teachers, neighbours and relatives are far more aware and can intervene if something seems amiss. I also read that ted bundy's mother was actually his sister. I think he shrugged it off but people who knew him at the time said it hit very hard.

[@Dorkeydaze]

I actually think it’s sick that the people outside the prison on the day of the executions were so gleeful. I mean it’s just so uncivilized and grotesque. Justice is definitely best served cold; I mean if not serve indifferent and without hate than how are we better than the rest of the animals

[@sjwslayerwingsofredemption9731]

It has been happening since public executions became a thing and most people who witnessed them would celebrate it as entertainment and would eat popcorn and other stuff its not a new thing.

[@PerfectMadeStreets]

glad you got Humberto on this one.. I hope you guys will do the "women who fall in love with serial killers" episode which you talked about!

[@ThePersephoneK]

For the record, the documentary did mention that his mother had him out of wedlock and went to an institution. Please don't purge me though! I love you guys! :)

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Ha! Thanks!

[@nichole8622]

Ted Bundy swore he was innocent. He said something to the effect of “you’re making me take the fall for these murdered women when the real killer is still free” not verbatim what he said but something along those lines. Then when it came down to the wire he admitted killing 30 something women. There are some videos on YT where he is admitting to some of the things he did and as he speaks about the crimes he talks normally up until he tells what he did to said victim then he starts whispering as he’s reliving what he did It’s super creepy

[@bf2164]

Hello! My name is Sophie. I am a psychology student, and I would love to do an episode with you

[@Dehzee]

i live in van b.c, and he was a household name here. everyone in vancouver knew the green river killer and ted bundy, how it wasn't a household name where you are i have no clue.

[@CarmelAV]

Something ppl don’t introduce, when discussing phycopathology is the power of shame in childhood and how this becomes manifested in the adult. Something l think plays a big role in human development. From the perspective of a parent. Resentment developers. Once you understand the the circumstance, it becomes relatable. There is no point in demonising individuals. It all happens before the age of three. Where you have no memories.

[@joyalways1179]

His granddaddy was really his father, and his mom left him for the first 3 months of his life. Demons took great advantage!

[@lalywar1301]

nobody knows who his daddy is his grandparents were pretending to be his parents and his real mother was pretending to be his sister for a big chunk of his childhood but there areee SPECULATIONS that his grandpa is his real father through incest

[@louise-yo7kz]

A bad seed@ Think Forurself

[@badluckcity]

Yes, PLEASE PLEASE do an episode on women who fall in love with serial killers!!!!

[@joek9353]

Good job gentlemen. FYI on a couple of things. There was a Supreme Court case from Louisiana, where a guy committed such a heinous sexual assault, he was sentenced to death, even though the victim lived. His sentence ended up being overturned due to victim living, and he received a life sentence. Also, for your last meal in Texas, you just get what was served in the prison chow hall for that day. Part of the reason I heard for this was cost, and another was that the prison where death row is, the head inmate cook who made the last meals paroled out.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks!

[@kuronekoojo4793]

I think the movie with Zac Effron will center around lily collins character- the girlfriend that changed things according to him. I think.

[@Julie-7605]

Excellent show. I'm a little older than you so I lived through this, too.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Yeah. Scary times.

[@thomascrumb6286]

You should do the psychology of Bobby Fischer the chess genius

[@NKA23]

My final meal (if I could anything I wanted) would be 12inch pizza with tuna and onions, a 250gr. medium rare beef steak, a bowl of homecooked chili con carne, 250gr. spaghetti bolognese, 2 tubes of "Hot and Spicy" Pringles potatoe chips, 500ml of Ben&Jerry's Cookie Dough ice cream, 2 packs of Oreo cookies,300gr. of french fries with mayo and Heinz hot curry ketchup, a big bowl of Caesar salad, 2 big medium rare Juicy Lucy burgers made by my favourite burger place in my hometown, two chili hotdogs made by the same place, a bag of roasted and salted peanuts, a small bowl of prawn cocktail salad with mild honey-mustard dressing along with 2 chilled 750ml bottles clear sparkling water, 2 liters of chilled Diet Coke, 2 liters of chilled orange juice and a Cadbury Wunderbar. Oh, and a supersized iced latte macchiato plus a final White Widow or Northern Lights weed joint, please.

[@reallyhappenings5597]

"Professional man-at-arms?" I'd like to know exactly what that entails.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

A man-at-arms who gets paid.

[@reallyhappenings5597]

@@PsychologyInSeattle For doing what?

[@mikeschwartz1764]

Just found this channel, love it. Happily subscribed.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks!

[@daynaremus4055]

Urrrg you guys made me feel really heart-sore for Bundy. That doesn't mean I agree with what he did.

[@peggyhayes7938]

I was a kid in the 80’s and I knew about Ted Bundy.

[@Jason1975ism]

...and then I realized it was a podcast...CLICK!

[@berniceb2636]

Hello Psychology In Seattle, why did Ted Bundy's mother lie to him so long about she was his sister? I heard that Ted Bundy's eyes would turn form blue to black and a white welt would form on the left side of his cheek while doing an interview. Ted would often describe this evil being the ENTITY within him. It amazes me how Ted Bundy was able to walk around free hand and feet in court as he was labeled the serial killer. another great video!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

She lied to him because our society shames young women for having children out of wedlock.

[@berniceb2636]

@@PsychologyInSeattle Thank you!

[@26michaeluk]

It's not possible for his eyes to change from blue to black, back to blue. His pupils may have dilated but nowhere near close enough to look black.

[@jessiefrye3045]

@@26michaeluk maybe you should listen to those who have been in close contact with him. Evil is real.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@26michaeluk It is totally possible and it's happened to many people. Many people have witnessed it firsthand as well.

[@amhsweet7786]

Ted Bundy's favorite song was probably Abba SOS from 1975.

[@vangoth74]

Here you go: Ted's fav song kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWmtYmiHitaAhKc

[@BubbleGum-sk9ql]

How tf do u know this?

[@wonderwoman6019]

Like Manson...I am quite certain when I was about two living in China Lake, Death Valley...close to where Manson and his followers were, that Manson himself was the person my mom spotted behind her in the mirror peering into her room! Cops came and said whomever did it was not very tall as they had moved a large rock over to step up onto, Ugh the under the window. My mom describes the man...who sounded just like Manson. This was 1969! My mom is from Spain, barely spoke English. Quite naive. And really does not have knowledge of Manson to make something like that up! Her description, my knowledge of Manson and timeframe I thought OMG mom, do you realize who that sounds exactly like!!! Yikes!!

[@jmissesblac2006]

What in the Barbershop Quartet is going on with your intro? Lol. Thanks again for another interesting video.

[@Bhafez1]

doesn’t pump me up like the last intro

[@Ashley-ct4sy]

GETTTT OFF MY LAWWWNN!!! 😂😂

[@elizabethchapman912]

EMBERTOOOOO i'm dying from laughter. your breaks in trying to convince us to become a patreon :P Too good lol

[@sjuno7156]

Haha - ultimate/penultimate - that was a good save. Umberto scores! ☺

[@pokerface7840]

Can anyone eat fava beans anymore? Really? It's eaten all over the Mediterranean. A dish made from fava beans called Ful medames is a staple food in Egypt and Israel and many other countries in the Middle East. Favism happens when you have G-6-PD deficiency, it is a hemolytic anemia due to oxidative stress on the RBCs. They are very nutritious, full of tyramine and tyrosine (which on one hand improve mood, sexual performance and blood pressure, but on the other hand should absolutely be avoided by anyone on MAO inhibitors) Liver, wine and fava beans are some of the richest sources of tyramine.

[@divinecommerce3912]

"My mom thought the neighbor was Ted Bundy"... Was that when little Kirk became the future Dr Honda?

[@AWanderingEye]

Will you guys do remotes going to the locations in Washington where Bundy's crimes happened? Ann Rule's book indicates some spookiness still lingers...Thanks for doing this one. I just finished 2 Bundy books narrated here on youtube by asecretihave channel. If Bundy had been committing his crimes during the '50s, would he have made it into a mental hospital even in Florida?

[@mermaidthea]

His madness must have come from somewhere.

[@virginiagreen538]

His past! But he was born Evil!

[@carried.4515]

Demonic archon possession.

[@26michaeluk]

Combination of bad genes and his environment growing up.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@virginiagreen538 I don't think anyone is born evil. It's too easy to trace his past and see how these deep personality disorders developed. It's very well documented and these are ingrained patterns.

[@cynthwise6982]

Please do one on Women who marry killers would be so Interesting..thinking its a major control thing..lol...anyways this was Very Insightful in a Creepy way..but thats good sometimes...

[@robertcullen7042]

I’m student of psychology and self proclaimed historian, I’ve always theorized on what’s the root cause. Bundy blamed violent porn. There was a lot of serial killers in the 70s-80s. Facts are media controls and influences all: music, movies, and tv. If rap music glorifies drugs and murder, and people are drawn to be like them (some say to benefit the private prison system), why wouldn’t they just ban violent rap music? Netflix glorifies a lot of serial killers, and creates this fascination. What if the powers that be are tryin to create serial killers?

[@GeminiSwagger]

I'm a Darth Vader person, I love villains, I have described myself as a disney villain and my best friend calls me maleficent lol.

[@johnsmith-mv8hq]

I listened to three hours of free content and all I gotta say is - thanks, Dr and your Man at Arms ally! :) I am interested to know, what does psychological and criminology literature have to say about serial killers? Do they agree with the decline in the numbers of SK perpetrators?

[@mellamell7441]

Dr. Kirk, Ted Bundy wasn’t a household name when you were in college? We are the same age, (born 1970) and both from Seattle (well, Woodinville/Eastsiders) and everyone was talking about Ted Bundy and dealing with the stress of living in the serial killer capitol by making off color jokes. He, along with The Green River Killer (Gary Ridgeway - I think) were the subject of slumber party horror stories.

[@Wormfish]

I remember vividly because around his time my bf had the same color VW Beetle

[@glindaoz5810]

Fascinating podcast. Thank you.

[@g_beets]

The end of this podcast really made me hungry

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Ha! What's your "final meal."

[@iulia.bianca.b]

I always rooted for Tom, in the Tom & Jerry cartoons, as a young child. I've rooted for the "bad guy" since I can remember. Don't know what that means, but I'm not uncomfortable with it.

[@sasquatch6903]

I heard he never touched his last meal!

[@cinnamongirl5410]

I passed on the netflix ted bundy.. and they already made one movie on ted bundy so why 2 now? .. Plus, these psychologists you see on tv and all will say how "shocking" it is so and so had human hunting and killing as a alternative lifestyle and how well they blended in that no one had any idea is bunk. .... We heard this over and over on Gary Ridgeway and we all knew he was a creepy wing nut 20 years before he was even caught. My aunt and uncle were questioned about him by Seattle detectives back in like 1981, so were others in their circle and the big joke at the Play Mor tavern he hung out in everyone called him "green river gary" ffs. .. I had a bad run in with him at an after hour party and was told to just stay away from him cause everyone knew he was an socially awkward dweeb that got on everyone's nerves, that they just tolerated because he was long time friends with john and john felt bad for him. Result though of the after hour party run in i had with GR is that a few days later i was coming home from work and on highway 18 heading back to Kent from Auburn and he tried to aggressively run me off the road. I tried to turn it in but nothing happened as he used a rental car.. but was staring at me the whole time he tried to run me off the road. Ran in for help at the (then Circle K) i jumped off the highway and headed in to, and spoke with police..but nothing. But if you hear media talk about these guys it's all "oh he was so normal.. no one knew.. pillar of community and everyone liked him.." Ha. ,. For example, even one of Ted's ex girlfriends tried to turn him in saying she suspected the guy was who they were looking for... people in their lives know they are not all there. I think psychologist sometimes have an idea of how they think these guys will be and twist things to fit that narrative. Also, GR's wife is dishonest passive domestic victim, he was periodically abusive.. that was no "love story" they tried to portray it. The guy hated women, said himself at that party after he had a few beers, he found us all "disgusting", that literally saying "I hate you".. The guy throwing the party finally asked him to leave. Everyone knew he was a CREEP. They tried to say like GR felt remorse about the very pregnant woman he killed and that's why he covered her.. no he did not, they knew each other.. she was all in that circle of friends and he knew she turned her life around, was finally in a good place in life, and got married and seen her regularly as she worked where they all hung out. He deliberately killed her pregnant, there was no remorse. His crocodile tears of remorse to the families is BS... he talks about all these killings not to make anything right, but to relive it. He got off from retelling... can't kill anymore so reliving it by retelling is all he has. People need to quit talking to him and letting him re-victimizing those women and let him ROT. If they would put GR in the electric chair i would be one of the ones to be giving away t-shirts 100%.

[@26michaeluk]

You should watch the Netflix documentary. It's by far the best one with four separate episodes.

[@halo091]

Psychology of Roose Bolton or Euron Crow's Eye

[@NCJsport]

Yeah, i believe for your last meal at the time was 5 dollars, that's it.... it's nominal. It's refreshing to listen to this dialogue, good discussion, casual and factual. Good job guys!

[@Patrick-fs8ui]

I enjoyed both of your perspectives, thank you

[@TMTgirl]

Plenty of people knew about him in the 80s and 90s. ;)

[@N0pretence]

Kirk, do you know it is a called "the last meal" as in one serving :-P

[@cynthiaallen9225]

I used to love to try and figure out serial killers and what made them turn out the way they did. Now, I find most of them boring. Btw, I watched your Lennon video. Excellent!

[@ValerieGonzalez-kr2pr]

This is the shit I listen to before bed smh

[@silviar.7438]

I get the fascination with the dark side. I don't fancy serial killers but I was the kid captivated by the villains, like since a small child. But I think it's a fascination with the unknown. There is a psychological shroud of mystery in villains (like why are they the way they are) where "good guys" are pretty straight forward and transparent, there's nothing to uncover or figure out with them. At least as portrayed in most movies I grew up with.

[@stuartp2006]

42:51 Ted Talks confirmed

[@savagesooner4891]

Seattle, Washington Serial Killer capital of the world...

[@isildurany2888]

yeah, but why ?

[@eddielasowsky7777]

Frasier: The Dark Years.

[@francaperotti5934]

I don't agree with the narcissist part of a reason for killing. I know at least 2 narcissist and they love control on people's lives more psychologically abusive he had more if a personality disorder that he would have bouts of I need to kill today and went out stalking his pray like hyenas and lionesses and go in for the attack. Then walk away has if nothing. I don't know about his mum didn't want him don't forget she was sent away like many unwed mums to have babies so ro not put shame on the family in the 40s 40s and even 60s. That happened in many catholic families so the grandparents could bring him up as their own. Let's not forget not all psychopaths have violent behaviour unless they witness it in the family home.

[@Daviebhoy25cfc]

There's been an increase due to programmes like Dexter and CSI, Breaking Bad etc. Taking what used to be an interest, and making it a Cultural fad.

[@TMTgirl]

Ugh, not all serial killers are oh high I.Q., the average is only 94.7. Stop assuming this, everyone!! ;) ;) ;)

[@barbarasettle1782]

Thank you for the excellent educated analysis of the circumstances that may have led Ted Bundy to become a serial killer. The comic relief was great, too! I read somewhere that there are some who think Bundy may have been both psychopathic as well as sociopathic. Could you address this topic; can the two psychological conditions coexist, and the difference/ similarities between the two? Thanks!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks! Check out my episode on psychopathy vs. sociopathy.

[@albertomastriaoinni8421]

Hi there am Alberto not humberto

[@GeminiSwagger]

I don't know how to feel about pork nachos

[@jeanniemeria2277]

Love to hear a Latino on this podcast. #representationmatters

[@patriasalgado4125]

Excelente !

[@reallyhappenings5597]

Underinformed and over-opinionated

[@ClassicRock1973]

Ted Bundy saved me from drowning when I was 3 years old, so he is a good person in my book

[@georgevourtzoumis2967]

Wait, he saved "you"?

[@LUDOfanGIRL]

There is evidence in which ted bundy did save a child in the water because i think the mother wasn't looking definitly research he also saved a lot of lives when we worked in a suicide hotline. Ted bundy is a bad person but nothings in black and white.

[@monicoorrostietacervantes4776]

A person who save a few lives but destryed many others in a such of horrible way is not a good person bisedes sickos serial killers very often do good things to mascarede their personalities What was the reazon for him to save that little boy from drowning?????? What was his reazon to work at the suisidal hot line??????? Well hi was making some money And. I'm pure sure.he.was having a lots of sadical pleasure fron listen the agony of the.people calling in crisis. he save the little boy only by pure impulse and how about if nobody where there watching would he saving him or just sat there watching in pleasure how he agonized you had to remember he kidnap torture mutilate and killed in the most horrible ways dozens of young inocent women he was pure evil nothing good on him.

[@virginiagreen538]

Just because he chose to save you doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy! He had a job saving people's lives and still killed alot of helpless girl's that didn't deserve his rage. He was good at making people think he was some kind of saint!

[@MisterFuturtastic]

@@LUDOfanGIRL He was extremely narcissistic and supposedly narcissists like to play god... this makes sense why he would want to save lives and take them as well.

[@Girlhead]

I love these your commentary as usual- new fan. Thank you.