Psychosophy: 3rd Will - Willpower - Volition

[@ZaponZap]

3:01 "not powerful enough to lead but not weak enough to be a follower" 👍👍

[@sharpiesarecool814]

Holy shit that describes me to a tee. 3V is such a lonely place lmao. I feel like such a weirdo!!

[@giovanni5165]

"Not taking responsibility" is perfect for me, I really got to the point of fear of assuming the consequences of my actions, ending up indirectly harming other people

[@AlbedotheOverseer]

Lovely video! I relate to all of the points you said are 3V, down to very detail such as blame shifting failure onto something or someone else. It's a knee jerk reaction to not wanting to admit I'm inadequate at something, and it took a lot of self-growth to gain awareness. I still do that a lot, just less so.

[@Just_Rusted]

Indeed, many people take blame shifting of 3V personally, they think it's some mastermind manipulative scheme, reality is different. It's very difficult to take a burden of failure and accountability when someones core is not strong enough to handle such burden, that's all but it's good to see 3V person to actually relate too what i said.

[@mattheuvideus]

indeed, im also 3V

[@kerbalscuffedprogram4705]

@@mattheuvideus I am also a 3V, just one that wears a 4V mask (I am a nobody).

[@mattheuvideus]

​@@kerbalscuffedprogram4705 like as in you don't really stand out?

[@kerbalscuffedprogram4705]

@@mattheuvideus Yes. I get mistaken for a 2V/4V quite often.

[@Thiago-zg5wk]

3V is basically raskolnikov

[@oscarhaydenperditionbound1195]

And 1V is basically Stavrogin

[@elentiyafae]

I almost said I can’t wait for 2nd will before I realized you already uploaded it and I watched it too and I think commented. My memory is dogshit that was really funny

[@mellowok]

the editing on this video is so good!

[@Just_Rusted]

It was edited by a friend of mine, Connnr, he does those edits, skilled guy.

[@mellowok]

@@Just_Rusted he sounds like such a great guy! Excited to see the content you two put out together :)

[@sharpiesarecool814]

Being a 3V sorta dating (fwb) with a 4V is so strange for me. He accepts me as I am (he's type 9) which I'm grateful for, but I'm still insecure nonetheless... Puts me in a strange spot where I don't have enough V to like force him to do anything or to be motivated/confident enough to lead planned activities. This ends up with me having random outbursts where I'm frustrated by the dynamic cuz I want to be his perfect match and lead him so he can follow. We have broken up and gotten back together more times than I can remember. Ah I'm a wreck. His follower ways annoys me but I also kinda see him as lucky cuz he's sorta like the ignorant one? Basically the one that gets scooped up by his "one", whereas I'm so fucking aware and making lame moves all the time and failing, ugh the humiliation of trying to make things happen with my previous crush (he was also 3V and I think we were both too scared ugh, he played it way too safe).

[@RumbleMcSkirmish7720]

About god damn time! Lookin’ forward to this! 3V sounds very much like an ennea 3 with an 8 fix. Or just pure 3w4

[@Just_Rusted]

Indeed, of course it depends on the type. But type 4, type 6 and type 3s are often the candidates for 3V placement.

[@RumbleMcSkirmish7720]

@@Just_Rusted would the 6 and 4 be the SX variants usually? The attitude gives an air of a reactive nature

[@Just_Rusted]

@@RumbleMcSkirmish7720 There is some variation here, while the core is shared by all 3V, the outward manifestation might vary as i mentioned, some might be more outwardly aggro , some more meek and insecure. SX6 and SX4 would both be the aggressive representations of 3V

[@RumbleMcSkirmish7720]

@@Just_Rusted yeah that makes a great deal of sense. Great video again

[@miguelavidal2242]

Great video! Definitely… I'm 3V ;~; By the way, Afanasyev's description of 3V sounds a lot like an Sx6.

[@Just_Rusted]

You found your most important placement, grats. But indeed, 3V can be very SX6, SX4, SO3 when it comes to the descriptions.

[@miguelavidal2242]

@@Just_Rusted Thanks. Very informative. Definitely, 3V descriptions are an amalgamation of Sx6, Sx4 and So3, although I can see the case for So4 (paired with ELVF) and maybe Sx5 (with LEVF, though I'm still dubious about this take). By the way, regarding Walter White, I was debating what Socionics type could be. Many people argue LSI-DN even though the general consensus is in favor of ILI-DN. Which would be the most appropriate? And how plausible would an ILI with 3V be?

[@Just_Rusted]

Walter is most likely LIE. Ti base and Te ignoring makes no sense for Walter, he also is not Si demo and has no beta quadra values. He is a gamma type for sure altho i'd go for LIE, he is not Ni base and his Se is not suggestive. Gus is more likely to be ILI than Walt.

[@miguelavidal2242]

@@Just_Rusted Thanks. Lately I've been leaning towards LIE. I also find it interesting that Se Mobilizing is a much better fit for Walter in his self-actualization than Fi Mobilizing. Walter doesn't have the irrationality so characteristic of Ni base, he tends to be a man of extremes, something strange for a type with Se Suggestive, whose Se is in 1D position. He can sometimes abuse of his power a lot and completely neglects foresight. Even Gus throws it in his face when he first meets him.

[@mattheuvideus]

@@Just_Rusted why is it the most important placement?

[@hazesummer8328]

10:00 I'm def 3V XwX It's the worst side of me

[@sharpiesarecool814]

Oh god I'm 3V. Sad.

[@ZaponZap]

good stuff man! keep up the psychosophy stuff

[@joeykushwave848]

Jesus I'm early. Anyway, what do you have to say about panjungian, and can you make a video about it? Good stuff bro

[@Just_Rusted]

You asking me the juicy questions, my opinion on panjungians lmaooo, i'll make a video about it. They're clowns, that's what i think, i've had some tell me ISTP 1 core is possible and that LSI is ISTP only, those people live in their own world and can barely string logical facts together.

[@toad15fan]

We may see Panjungian suicide rates skyrocket after that video drops though. It's too dangerous.

[@Just_Rusted]

I'd expect them to mald and starting freaking out but let's just be grateful those literal nerds don't have a platform to spread their "ideology"

[@omokok1877]

Tf is the difference between 3E and 3V

[@khoshiumi]

Next one is mine be gentle

[@Just_Rusted]

4Vs are pretty dope tbh, non try hards.

[@MsAliensex]

Lmfao 🤣

[@tiburonoscuro4272]

I think Arthur Shelby is 3V. A video on him would be cool

[@theentj6897]

Can I be 3V and still be a leader or have sort of messiah complex ?

[@Just_Rusted]

Sure

[@theentj6897]

@@Just_Rusted thanks ! Your videos are very helpful ! You really get the real difference between 1V and 3V

[@LucaMiltos]

How can i know if i'm 3F or 3V

[@elavioncitodeumji5515]

I'm a 4F 3V... and surprisingly I care about looks, like I don't wanna be ugly I have a low self esteem concerning my looks I make sure I look good before going out I spend times looking in the mirror and researching about fashion, color theory, skincare, beauty and whatnot... I'm also a so4... so ofc I care about beauty to an extent The major diference of 3F and 4F is 3F would learn as much as they can by themselves, when they see an item they can pinpoint if they like it, they're obsessive over small details, and the value that the physical world has... I had a friend like that, she knew exactly when she liked something or not, if she considered something vulgar or too much or not, she was always moving and working (process function)... that kinda stressed me out because it seemed to me like she was limiting things in the physic realm, we went on a school trip and all she did was excessevely and compulsively complain about the weather... A 3F doesn't care about the experience they give to others but the experience they give to themselves they wanna have a good taste of their own, they don't wanna be touched, they're really stiff and closed off Me as a 4F and 3V I'm sensitive about physic matters in my own way... like I have a hard time detecting if something genuinely looks good on me or is too much or not and I worry about that, I take lots of feedback to make sure I'm not weird in that sense, but I also have my own style going on, I also can detect what I like and what I don't like on myself... but I'm not reluctant to trying out new things, is through trying and being open and experiencing that I realize if I like it or not... that's why in the trip, before starting my friend was stressing me out because she didn't even let me experience it by myself and get my own opinion later... she was excessively hating lol, and I needed my own time to process the experience, and I didn't care about the weather being ASS at that moment... The 3F is negative towards others as well... this girl 3F would like insult others look, performance, constantly or slightly convince them to get done something in her own way, in her own standard... I'm more understanding and sympathetic to others shortcomings and do not like to criticize in a bad way other people's looks it makes me uncomfortable and makes me feel bad to do that... I'm positive towards others looks, meaning I do accept feedback, and help, I do have a certain image of how I wanna look or a certain standard of what looks good on me... but it's like an image in my head not really picky about fabrics and the worth behind material and stuff, I like to enjoy looks rather than hate on them... if I don't like something I try to search for what I actually like and try to figure out my own taste by finding out people who dress in ways I like... I have more struggles appreciating life than a 3F but 4F enjoys life for pure enjoyment... fashion and getting your makeup done and getting pampered, experiencing new things might be more healing for a 4F due to the suppressed trauma that the 4th position holds, and for a 3F is serious matter that they wanna have complete control over... As a 3V you might be more serious about responsibility, and why you do certain things, like 1V just go and do it, 2V openly try things even if it's crazy, and 3V doubts their potential and worries about getting too crazy, getting too out of track, being able to carry the weight from the path they chose, being responsible, they might judge others free-lance type of lifestyle of like "yeah I do whatever I want yeaah" they might obsess more about the consequences of actions and future consequences, and responsibility, or about being fit to carry the weight of the price, they might feel like they don't deseve certain achievements... The 3rd function is the one that you end up doing best but it's the hardest to face due to the fear and insecurity that it holds

[@National-Democrat.Ukrainian]

Could LII be 3V? "The main fears here are related to the sense of a double standard in the aspect of volitional sensoring and the fear of being exposed in this logically inconsistent duality: does it mean that one can forcefully take excess material goods, rights, and opportunities from those who have self-appropriated them, while they cannot defend them by force? The LII, Robespierre, is afraid of being accused of arbitrary usurpation of the right to distribute social norms and fears the question: "Who gave you the right to establish these social norms and, from their perspective, use violent methods to dispose of our property, rights, and opportunities, equalizing them with others? So, you can use force yourself, but we can't?". Fearing that this discussion of his rights and capabilities could lead to his (LII, Robespierre) expulsion from the system, and he would be the first to go to where many people, fairly stripped and placed in an extremely powerless position, have accumulated, LII Robespierre tries not to let the situation escalate to these disputes and uses any methods (primarily, force) to nip such inquiries in the bud. The best of such methods turns out to be the physical destruction of the opponent, but, of course, this extreme measure must be coordinated with the opinion of the overwhelming majority of his supporters - the spokesperson for their views and decisions, defending the interests of the fair EGO-program logic of LII, Robespierre's relationships, and then his volitional sensoring (with all its power advantages) will serve it well."- seems eerily remenicent.

[@WinnieW71]

Hello, I've asked that question myself, because I'm LII in Socionics. I've come to the conclusion that volition manifests in a different way for Se-Ni valuing types than Ne-Si valuing types. For Ne valuing types it is more like how confident are you in your ideas and how much motivated are you by following your ideas, mainly in Ne ego types like LII or ILE. So this, I'd call it 'intuitive volition' is not primarily focused on the impact on the physical world. 3V would mean, you don't trust neither your own ideas nor the ideas of other people, if that applies to you as LII, then you're 3V. Given that 9 out of 10 LII are 1L, in combination with 3V there are two possible types: LFVE or LEVF. But both 2F and 2E seems a little bit off for me when I think about LII as type.

[@National-Democrat.Ukrainian]

@@WinnieW71 Great analysis, i believe Karl Marx would make perfect star for your vision of LII 3V. To illustrate i will use some moments from "The Red Prussian: The Life and Legend of Karl Marx"(available on wayback machine): Marx was referred as the "calf biter". Because whenever he joined or started a circle/group of intellectuals, he'd eventually, sooner or later, start writing articles in the newspapers he worked at, talking shit about his fellow intellectuals so people would discard them and instead pay more attention to himself. Marx disliked writing Capital to the point of calling it "economic shit". Marx gave himself a wonderful description: Touchy, spiteful, vindictive and power-hungry. And his ideology fits with Starievska's writings on LII: "By its involutionary, correcting properties, the "balanced," "equitably dividing" logic of relationships (logic of systemic norms) of LII, Robespierre is oriented: - Towards restoring fair equality in the social system in all its directions and aspects, - Towards correcting and adjusting all kinds of logical imbalances, discrepancies. These adjustments include: - Removal of arbitrarily assumed rights, privileges, and excess material resources and goods, - Maintaining unwavering equilibrium in the equitable social relations he creates. For LII, Robespierre, the ideal social system is one of total equalization of rights and opportunities among all its members, regardless of their individual differences, abilities, and the effectiveness of their labor. "

[@WinnieW71]

@@National-Democrat.Ukrainian Hello. Thank you. I don't know much about him besides some infos i've learned in history lessons at school. Power hungry doesn't really fit 3V Touchy does fit 3E, spiteful likely too. I'm not sure if the type of Karl Marx is LII, either. Maybe gamma NT, not alpha NT.

[@omokok1877]

Question: how could a 2 (say sx2 being FEVL) be 3V when their core is pride?

[@highsez934]

Hey, Rust great video. In your opinion do PY types manifest since childhood? Do you know exact age of the manifestation? My past self showed 3V's traits but as I grow older I become more like 2V.

[@Just_Rusted]

It's hard for me to say in regards of PY but i think most teenagers can seem 3V lol

[@highsez934]

@@Just_Rusted aa yes i agree. Teenage is the age where people are still unstable in terms of their psychology or thoughts. Thank you for the reply! I love your typology contents

[@Just_Rusted]

No problemo, appreciate it.

[@dsarah60]

Now im really curious what 4th will is? Is it when u have even less will? Is that possible?

[@Just_Rusted]

4th will has no inherent desire or need to lead, they are the kinds of people that prefer being a follower than a leader, basically, not dealing with many responsibilities and such. The difference between that and 3rd Will is insecurity, 4th Will is not insecure in the fact they prefer to just go with the flow, they accept it for what it is.

[@toad15fan]

What is the PY for an average ILI 5 with an 8 fix?

[@toad15fan]

@Matsunaga How come 1F and not 1L?

[@kerbalscuffedprogram4705]

LFVE.

[@sevikagf]

sounds like ILI so583 VLEF

[@SoulsLikeMe]

So8 EFVL?

[@Just_Rusted]

1E 8 core is impossible, same goes for 3V 8 core

[@SoulsLikeMe]

@@Just_Rusted Oh yeah, retyped again as VFEL

[@kerbalscuffedprogram4705]

@@Just_Rusted Sp8 FLVE?

[@Just_Rusted]

@@kerbalscuffedprogram4705 I don't believe an 8 core can have insecure volition, not based on everything i read on in regards of 3rd Will

[@rakish8737]

3V 8-core is possible. But So8 EFVL doesn't work. Only sx8 EFVL, but even then might be a mistype sx4.

[@maryamalkhaled647]

Can 3v be core 8?

[@Just_Rusted]

Nope

[@dsganaclara]

Hi. What's your type?

[@Just_Rusted]

ESTP SLE SO8 VFLE

[@xxjcd702]

Im an flve and im pathetic like this

[@moveordievision]

+++++++

[@ankicloze7662]

Ah yes 3V the perfect way to live life :))

[@JankyShining]

do you think 3V is compatible with 4sx?

[@AeroTheHateMachine]

Lmao it's the most common thing ever

[@Just_Rusted]

Archetypal. SX4 does not fit anything else

[@JankyShining]

@@Just_Rusted thanks