Is LocalScriptMan Correct About Enneagram 5?

[@Just_Rusted]

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[@Amaend8]

Most people's definition of 5 is what 6 actually is

[@pierarcher2522]

Often also type 7, for example Elon Musk or Senku Ishigami ( dr. Stone )

[@NavBee]

It actually usually is anyone in head triad Who is very emotionally deattached too

[@NavBee]

The stereotypes of 5 often suits more to 6w5 than 5w4

[@hotshots149]

Analysis was pretty comprehensive. - Sincerely, a gymbro E5.

[@Just_Rusted]

Gymbro E5, oh wow a mistype guys

[@hotshots149]

@@Just_Rusted Ye Rust maybe I am sp8 all along. Guess we'll never know...

[@Rifthippie]

Love this reaction, looking for more react videos. It gives clarity

[@Just_Rusted]

Cheers bro

[@debrachambers1304]

You're like the only person other than me who thinks 3 for Walter White despite how much of his motivation is built around recognition and fulfilling a cultural archetype of an American man. One of the main promotional images for season 5 says "Remember My Name".

[@NothingisGood7889]

Walter’s a SO3 (open to SP3) I agree. It’s just that people have a stereotypical view of what prestige and success means “Say My Name” and the whole “I am the one who knocks” exemplifies how much of a three he is

[@yamizakygo5869]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="623">10:23</a> exactly and this is what gets people to mistype as fives. the idea of core 5 being docile and a complete passive guy is taken away making people believe they can be fives even especially if they are somewhat introverted.

[@henrikforsmanandreis6509]

Watch his video ”fixing the enneagram” for a better explanation of his whole enneagram philosophy

[@GHMrSudan]

Well you can't really blame him if he gets anything wrong tbh, he wasn't teaching the enneagram for the sake of getting people to know about typology. He was just using the modern RHETI enneagram descriptions as a writing cheat code. He is trying to use the enneagram types as character tropes to give people ideas for their stories, not to teach people typology

[@Just_Rusted]

Nobody is really blaming him, in fact if you have seen my other responses, I understand his motivations and I think what he is doing with Enneagram is cool, the reason why I was not hard on him was because of exactly this but besides all that, such videos still will impact many people trying to learn enneagram and if that is going to happen, they might as well learn it the right way from us.

[@Kaizen_]

W rust ​@@Just_Rusted

[@offenjoyer]

Didn't realise that Rust became a commentary youtuber

[@Just_Rusted]

Gotta try something new

[@alalaalal7984]

Really cool ​@@Just_Rusted

[@yamizakygo5869]

your videos are great, i only wish you make more of these "reactions" or have other new ideas going maybe typing other creators and/or characters if possible. gl

[@Den3zo]

First time I've heard of this guy and I'm glad I didn't get introduced through him to enneagram. I applaud you for keeping your cool with all the mistypes, I got a little pissed when he used Will Hunting as an example. Good Will Hunting is one of my favourite movies and it's the most obvious and best deconstruction of SX6 that I've seen in any movie or work of fiction. The fact that this guy ocassionally accurately describes E5 and then contradicts himself with all of his examples aside from Oppenheimer and Beth is crazy. I guess in his mind he doesn't contradict himself, because E5 seeks "competence" and "independence". Bruh When he points out the E6 and E5 similarities and then say it doesn't matter, because it's made up anyway also annoyed me. No it's not "made up anyway", it's based on actual people who were studied by actual psychologists. It's like saying math is just a bunch of meaningless symbols and numbers. Sure with math the results are more simple and clear, but it still just as well uses symbols in number that are supposed to represent a studied concept, just like enneagram. The analysis still has to trough the scientific method, because it observes and analyses human psychology. It's no rocket science or advanced quantum physics, but it shouldn't be considered as "it's made up anyway".

[@Just_Rusted]

I was surprised to see E5 for Will Hunting, I would think the only alternative would be like SX6/SX4 rather than any E5, he doesn't fit a single subtype lol. I understand about the whole made up thing, I mean ngl idk why I'd use something that is made up but you do you type of thing.

[@Wringfale]

You should do one on “The enneagram explained with movie characters” by Josh keefe. I’m curious to hear your thoughts on that video. Personality, I wasn’t a fan on some of his character examples for certain enneagram types.

[@Just_Rusted]

Oh yeah I've seen his stuff before, I might give my take on it

[@sidoso9810]

i really think this is one of the best explanations of enneagram 5. people tend to think there is only one way of being a 5 which is a nerd, one way of being a 3 which is a millionaire and so on and so on without taking into consideration upbringing, enviroment and all possible variants. there are 5s who are into sports (juan román riquelme, football player of boca junios), are fictional heroes (geralt of rivia in the books)

[@Just_Rusted]

Geralt from Rivia is SP9, being E5 is not being a nerd but it's a type that is passive and detached from the external world, kinda like E9 but the difference is how intellectualized and abstract this type is.

[@sidoso9810]

@@Just_Rusted no, geralt is a 5, he wants to reclude himself in his liftstyle, he uses it to avoid other people, feelings, taking responsability for his desitions using his invented code. geralt is totally an intellectual individual who has deep thoughts about everything. he was turnt into a silent badass who gives a shit in the games and netflix show while his book version is far from that

[@Just_Rusted]

Having deep thoughts abut everything doesn't make him E5, unless you will tell me Geralt is a docile, sensitive, passive individual who suffers from detachment from the external world, is inhibited in actions then sure, he is E5.

[@Nia-qi1kt]

@@Just_Rusted considering that Geralt's origin story is having survived a trial that forced him to become strong enough to survive or die, couldn't he be interpreted as a metaphor for SP8?

[@Just_Rusted]

@@Nia-qi1kt It easily could be, gut type Geralt makes more sense either way, SP9 or SP8, SP5 is a weird type in peoples heads, it's literally an Ni base and people turn it into some sensorical sigma

[@eighteightsixseven]

Great video Rusted. In polsku we trust.

[@Just_Rusted]

Thanks bro

[@mihaelapop3375]

i lose my will to live every time i see other people mistype 6s and 9s as 5s. i cant relate to them at all as an sx5 so i dont get how theres so many of those mistypes. pain.

[@ali-p9f4f]

you did type rust cohle as a 5 in your Beginner's guide to Enneagram video a year ago. What made you change your opinion?

[@Just_Rusted]

I don't see docility, passivity and inhibition of action with Rust Cohle at all.

[@DenDrage]

The intro threw me off 😂 Soild!!

[@Just_Rusted]

Lmao, gymbro E5 surprised you

[@DenDrage]

@@Just_Rusted m like Handsome Squidward Chiseled

[@XxElCapxX]

I'm surprised you were this respectful with such a misinformational video. For some reason, these are the ones to get more views. Very good work!

[@Just_Rusted]

He is what we call a civilian, a man outside of the community and typology as a whole, a dude into film making, he just utilizes Enneagram in ways that benefit his writing and I can't hate anyone for that. Besides that, his videos are actually more informative and of higher quality than most of the trash you will see with "die hard" enneagram "experts" who hold workshops for years upon years without ever improving their knowledge and still spreading the "Type 2 Helper" propaganda, now those are the real sinners.

[@danevisser1927]

Yeah plus local did say that he doesn't see enegram people and enegram characters as the same thing. He also said in his type 2 vid that a character doesn't need to be that type their story could just be coded as that type.

[@PopMan_12]

Great video as always, keep it up

[@Just_Rusted]

Gracias

[@StellePhillps]

Yooo your videos are awesome and helpful af. What would you socionics type aaravos from the dragon prince?

[@Just_Rusted]

Thanks Stelle, I've no idea who aaravos is

[@kevinfukthezetamale4298]

If they have 5-8 (8w7/8w9) trifix in them, people would mistaken them of a different enneagram type.🤷‍♂

[@binablob]

Thank you rust, i like LocalScriptMan videos but watching his enneagram 5 videos makes me a bit confused, The characters he uses to explain it seem more like sp9 or sp8 types to me, i hope someday you'll make a SEI video heheh

[@Just_Rusted]

Will Hunting - Likely SX6 Rust Cohle - Likely SX6 if a head type Aemond - Likely SP8 with SX6 as alternative Walter White - Maybe SP3

[@HL-iz9ji]

​@@Just_Rustedis Walter White an LIE ?

[@YggieTV]

LSE ​@@HL-iz9ji

[@yamizakygo5869]

​@@HL-iz9ji highly likely, bu he will disagree since he thinks LIEs can't be SP3 which is an L take

[@dsganaclara]

I think Rust is SX6

[@Just_Rusted]

SX6 is better for him than E5 for sure, it's possible, the only alternative would be SP8.

[@fucksya]

@@Just_Rusted too philosophical and mentally inclined for SP8

[@kerbalscuffedprogram4705]

He'd be SX6 and SO6 before E5.

[@kerbalscuffedprogram4705]

Indiana Jones is SP8 or SP9 ES(T) before E5.

[@mongoose1582]

I think the original video was talking about the villian from that movie anyway, not Indiana Jones himself.

[@olaf3250]

I'm kinda new in enneagram, but still I’ve had a thought that might be a bit controversial? (correct me if I got something wrong) But when I read the definitions of 5 and the nature of this whole 'detachment', how does that even align with INTP, for example? Because, idk, Ti is supposed to focus on solving problems, structure, finding contradictions, creating methods etc... To me, that strongly resembles “looking for ways to deal with the external world,” while 5s supposedly wants to cut themselves off from that external world and not participate in it. Ti dom & e5 seems like a strange combination to me, even though it’s very common but again maybe I simply don't understand

[@Just_Rusted]

You have good insights and you're right, Ti dominance contradicts E5 on a fundamental level, that is why E5 is Ni dom. INTP is more of what we think of the Social 6, an individual who is quite intellectual but relies on logical certainty in order to cope with existential uncertainty.

[@Baamthe25th]

Tbh, that's why Enneagram isn't worth using, imo, unlike Jungian models There's no real initial resarch or basis for it, it's essentially just an accumulation of things over time. That's why we can have two wildly different interpretations like this, and there's no going back to the initial definitions/model like you can with Jung (where you could trace most of it back to its origins, and argue it)

[@yamizakygo5869]

rust, what fictional characters do you think are sp5 - so5 - sp3 - so3 - sx3 - so2. (it'll be better if they're anime characters)

[@Just_Rusted]

I don't watch anime

[@yamizakygo5869]

​@@Just_Rusted I'm fine with movies/tv shows

[@minezdcheafzd]

Hey!! could you do one on 6?

[@katz7609]

If you don't believe Rust Cohle is an enneagram five, what do you believe he is? Granted, Rust Cohle has gotten physical with people, but I believed it to be under specific conditions, not something he did just because it's the easiest way to obtain information. However, he did strike me as a head type.

[@laks786]

Could he be a 4

[@CRIMS0N_KING]

Most likely 6 (SX or SO specifically). He's deep and philosophical but he's very action-oriented and works in insanely high-stress and dangerous settings that pretty much all 5's would steer away from. You could potentially stretch it and go as far as to look into SP8 or 1 as he's sort of a nihilistic Sherlock Holmes. That said 6 still fits best.

[@katz7609]

@@CRIMS0N_KING I can't see him being in the gut triad, especially Sp8 and E1. Rust Cohle speaks metaphorically in most of his conversations and at times is too detached from reality, hence why people believed Rustin to be NI dominant. Someone like Marty fits the gut triad far better than Rustin does.

[@katz7609]

@@laks786 I doubt it.

[@laks786]

@katz7609 just suggesting, I'm still learning

[@flanker_yt4516]

Speaking on the topic for Fives, do you think So5 VLEF is a thing? Because I've seen a lot of people saying it's a possible combo and others do rectify it as an archetype itself. It just feels weird because a Suggestive Se compared with 5 core traits feels it will contradict this typing. Though the books has some quotes about them being 1V and them wanted to be seen as extraordinary in the field of knowledge.

[@Just_Rusted]

Them wanting to be seen as extraordinary sounds like a mistyped SO7, I don't believe in 1V in any E5.

[@yamizakygo5869]

as rust said. it's easy to mistype as a 5 core for alot of reasons. I've been there, then i realized i was an SP3 instead.

[@raikyduno543]

I think e5 is much more suitable for a character like Helaena than Aemond.

[@Just_Rusted]

This guy gets it lmao, big difference

[@Amaend8]

There Is such thing as a "gym bro 5". Edit: here by gym bro I mean someone who regularly goes to the gym and has a fit or big muscular build.

[@Just_Rusted]

Just because someone goes to the gym doesn't mean they're a gymbro, it is kinda the point, E5 can go to the gym but they're no gym bro

[@Amaend8]

@Just_Rusted ok. Then what's your definition of gym bro

[@mithun-on]

@@Amaend8its as you say, someone with a well built physique is a gym bro. I think Enneagram 5 are the types you’ll see in karate or BJJ classes. Many of those types of guys I have to remind they have to eat and drink water before training

[@Amaend8]

@@mithun-on 5s like being pros. And being a pro at working out is an option. Also though to workout you need to go to a public place you are not really socializing unless you choose to. Most people that go to the gym don't talk much to no one while working out. (It's counter productive.) So a 5 can just go to the place and enjoy the tools and go back to home. It's not hard to imagine. Bro would prolly know a lot about it too. He'll do little but because of his precise information and professionalism get good results anyway.

[@Just_Rusted]

My definition of a Gymbro is someone who's whole personality and lifestyle is made around the Gym

[@edwinbeta2806]

based i wanted this

[@Just_Rusted]

And here it is

[@edwinbeta2806]

⁠@@Just_RustedI think he actually does a decent job of identifying through lines, most of his mistypes are sp3 and sx6 He isn’t too far from getting good Also you can see later in his other videos he’s very focused on what the meta/narrative of the story is, which skews his typing i think

[@Just_Rusted]

I think we have to realize this guy is someone who utilizes enneagram as a tool to help character development/writing, the uber ins and outs don't matter to him and maybe even shouldn't as they might not benefit him in the grand scheme, he just needs some archetypes.

[@nicholasheal5925]

Are you bent? The Indiana Jones footage is about the russian woman.

[@Cristian_that_artist]

While yes, the way local explains the 5 wouldn’t necessarily be accurate to a real person. When hes typing characters, hes more talking about their pathology in their story rather than their actual behaviours as hes stated before. As in what urge does the character keep making throughout the story, and you can paint that in whatever plot the premise is in.

[@Nevermind-m2b]

my verification is been denied

[@Just_Rusted]

Maybe because your account has been made a week ago

[@Nevermind-m2b]

@Just_Rusted ok i will wait

[@2ndYHWH]

Holy shit. SP5 has to be the worst type out there. I haven't heard or read a single positive thing about them.

[@bluesharpie9744]

Yeah many of us will end up being losers. Not being the man from the book Notes from The Underground is my new year's resolution. That book gave me a "The dragon scroll is blank" moment (Kung Fu Panda)

[@Just_Rusted]

I don't believe there is such a thing as the worst type, E5 are one of the most interesting and complex individuals, that's kinda what we learn while being in Enneagram, we're all trash, equally even if sometimes it does not feel that way. Being a loser does not depend on a type but persons values and what they represent, a loser is a loser because of the actions he takes not because he is more introverted/timid personality.

[@2ndYHWH]

@@bluesharpie9744 Yeah, good on you bro, seriously. It's a really horrible thing to be so isolated and withdrawn from society and from people in general. I'm glad you've recognized that.

[@2ndYHWH]

@@Just_Rusted I hear you, but everything you say about SP5 is objectively negative. Passive, timid, autistic, socially withdrawn. This is schizo, cuck behavior. And then everything positive associated with SP5 is immediately met with "no, that's actually that's enneagram 6."

[@Amaend8]

@@bluesharpie9744 funny thing you mention the dragon scroll cuz I belive poe from kungfu panda is a 5 (so5)

[@nofreewillitsallneurochemistry]

Which socionics type can be SP5 iyo?

[@Just_Rusted]

ILI

[@nofreewillitsallneurochemistry]

@Just_Rusted what about LII?

[@Just_Rusted]

E5 does not fit any Ti base, an LII thinking he is E5 is basically just a mistyped Social 6.

[@nofreewillitsallneurochemistry]

@@Just_Rusted hmm.. alright, thanks for the response.

[@notMexican-cl9cr]

Are Sp5 healthy? Sp5 sounds like they need some theraphy.

[@Just_Rusted]

All types need therapy, that's kinda the point of Enneagram, to treat the neurosis we have

[@notMexican-cl9cr]

​@@Just_Rusted I see. That make sense, thankyou. Hope to see more reactions. It's really fun and gives a lot of clarity.

[@notMexican-cl9cr]

@@Just_Rusted I have a question though. Once someone treat their neurosis and set up a healty mind will we be able to know what their enneagram is? Or will it be hard to tell?

[@johntitor7752]

​@@notMexican-cl9cr This depends on your approach to Ennegaram, so people will have different answers, but I believe you can still type yourself even if you're not an unhealthy person First of all, you won't be completely healthy forever, you may have moments in your life where you experience loss, grief, circumstances will change and cause stress, and how you deal with these things can help you point towards an enneagram type even if you're healthy Wants or desires may also help you out, even mentally healthy people need things to help them feel fulfilled in life, what you care about and what you don't care about can help you point towards a type Honestly though, if you're healthy there probably isn't much practical use typing yourself (since Ennegaram is best used as a tool for growth), if you want to use it as a hobby then I suggest focusing more on studying for fun and typing others rather than trying to find a type that fits you

[@Just_Rusted]

The truth is, the neurosis is not something we truly escape, it simply does not control us and the negative patterns are not as damaging but even a healthy person can get into a state of neurosis under pressure which then will showcase the typical classical symptoms of their enneatype.

[@nicholasheal5925]

Dude, you literaly deal in stereotypes.

[@Just_Rusted]

Stop whining in my comment section, you don't have any grasp of typology

[@nicholasheal5925]

@@Just_Rusted Umm well I think I have some idea. Kinda super presumptuous of you to assume that I don't. According to wikipedia, typology is; "the study of various traits and types, or the systematic classification of the types of something according to their common characteristics. Typology is the act of finding, counting and classifying facts with the help of eyes, other senses and logic." Yeah. That all seems to make sense to me. I'd like to share in greater detail, my concerns about how you present Enneagram content. While it may resonate with a niche online audience who enjoy categorizing and discussing personality types simply for it's own sake, I worry that your approach might alienate mainstream audiences who could genuinely benefit from the Enneagram's problem-solving tools. Just seems like more of a misinformation circle-jerk to me. Your content often focuses on surface-level quirks, vibes, aesthetics, and stereotypes, which reduces the Enneagram's potential for deeper insights. I think you've found success largely due to appealing to a specific demographic, rather than offering truly insightful commentary. Again... it just seems like a massive misinformation circle-jerk. Furthermore, I find your tone and attitude in videos to be arrogant and rude. If it weren't for your off-putting demeanor, I might not have felt compelled to share my thoughts. I don't know what that says about me. Maybe it's the enneagram 1 in me. You should watch LocalScriptMans fixing the enneagram video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aITdaIGDbNyVidEsi=SCtLYYNXQ9LNgOpM

[@e10moment]

He has sounded weird abt some types

[@nicholasheal5925]

Your enneagram content is really bad

[@nicholasheal5925]

No. Your mis-applying them.