Pt 5 - Dr. Ting: MSE or Double Jaw Surgery?

[@MylesDunne]

This is brilliant Ronald. I have been advised to undergo double jaw surgery, but I want to complete MSE+MSDO before hand. At 21 years old my airway is 3.8mm diameter....

[@danielleholland2143]

How did you measure your airway?

[@MylesDunne]

@@danielleholland2143 I got a CBCT scan

[@danielleholland2143]

@@MylesDunne Through an ENT?

[@MylesDunne]

@@danielleholland2143 Through my dentist who had a good mind to care for the airway, Dr. O'Connor in Cork, Ireland.

[@jainchat78612]

If you didn't mew while getting cbct done. Your airway will appear smaller. I had two cbct done. One while mewing one without. My measurements were 5 and 210. Check for yourself. Hope this helps

[@shigwig9751]

Oh yeah let’s bring up the assummetry and how Dr ting tackles it

[@JawHacks]

it's coming up

[@trevorlei]

MSE Benefits 1. Increases nasal volume 2. Widens pharyngeal space (why people get tonsils removed) 3. Increases tongue volume/space What MSE doesn't do 1. Change tongue and jaw position

[@benh4222]

fantastic interviews

[@JawHacks]

thanks for watching

[@relog]

Is he saying to get MSE first or after jaw surgery?

[@xxxangelbreezexxx7821]

No before. You can’t get it after

[@danielleholland2143]

I was wondering why Dr. Ting typically only works with Dr. Vaughan, and whether both of them will coordinate an MSE-DJS plan. Sounds like they will! Great info to have going into a consultation.

[@JawHacks]

yes i believe they would. there's nothing better than an orthodontist/surgeon team that works closely together. coordinating doctors is an absolute nightmare and this would not be an issue with Dr. Ting and Dr. Vaughan.

[@hanji1041]

Hey Ronald what about mse in cases of assymetry , I mean you got assymetry through mse but what about people who already have that kind of assymetry . Will mse help them ?

[@spiscold50]

same

[@JawHacks]

discussion of asymmetry is coming up

[@sharlenebantigue8831]

I just hope i can afford it ☹️☹️ got 3x veneers that I really regret having its a big waste of money after 5yrs here i am feeling sad 😥i have a crossbite so the dentist recommend me to have veneers, i never smile confidently so i am hiding what I really feel right now 😢 some of the dentist thinking about the money not the best way to fix whats best for u 😭 sorry for my english because i am asian. “choose ur dentist wisely” I am 26yrsold and losing hope 🥺

[@hgibbons021]

can you do mse after double jaw surgery? Also will mse+msdo fix asymmetry issues?

[@spiscold50]

I think it's better to do MSE before DJS

[@gregducati999]

yes you can, theres nothing stopping you, look the sleep apnea centre videos on KZbin theres lots of cases where the did double jaw surgery then MSC

[@thechallenge293]

Pls ask if facemask and mse can be used in adult to correct a minor class iii and if yes does the doc have some sample of cases he treated! Thanks you

[@JawHacks]

discussion of face mask is coming up.

[@thechallenge293]

@@JawHacksOk thanks and sorry for keep reposting the same comment. Anyway I have emailed dr Won Moon the inventor of MSE and he said that at UCLA they have succefully treated a lot of class iii adult cases using mse in combination with facemask. This is amazing but i yet have not seen any case with my own eyes nor there are many papers about it yet. Pls ask dr Ting too if you can of and if he has some cases to show.

[@slowlynow9]

Starecta, MSE, Counterclockwise jaw surgery. Thats me plan babeeiiii....fuck I miss Southern California They had all the surgeons and guys like Dr. Ting. Ill probably have to bite the financial bullet and move back. Montana sucks in this regard....anyone know anyone like Ting near Montana or Seattle?

[@HelianaFranko]

How can I get treatment with Dr.Ting? I have a deep overbite and tmj with an extremely narrow palate. Suffering badly from this cant breath properly. Do you recommend and consultation first? Please let me know thank you!

[@wow3486]

is there any discussion about facemask in this interview also you should do a interview with your orthondontist that did mse with you

[@AImeriia]

i dont think a protraction facemask can provide much change at adult age

[@Byemiek]

@@AImeriia dr ting said between 3-4mm in adults

[@wow3486]

@@AImeriia what aabout 16 -18 year olds so mid late teens

[@AImeriia]

@@wow3486 the same i guess, my stomatologist told me these were only used on young children when I was 17

[@danielleholland2143]

I'm personally curious whether Dr. Ting does Alt-RAMEC (alternative expansion and collapse) to increase the effectiveness of protractive headgear.

[@kaseyh3233]

Can’t DJS expand too? Are orthotics good to do or can even fixing a tongue tie be enough to fix tmj issues? I know sometimes ortho is recommended for tmj but at that point MSE is worth doing vs just ortho to change your bite?

[@CroElectroStile]

What is the difference between 4 miniscrew MARPE and MSE? They look exactly the same

[@jainchat78612]

Ronald, you didn't ask the most burning question to Dr ting. How do you address asymmetry with mse ? How do you expand asymmetrically? You also have unilateral crossbite on one side but mse expands both. How can that be countered. That's the most challenging problem with mse ? Please see if you can ask Dr ting about it. It will help most of the viewers of this channel

[@JawHacks]

it's coming up in the next few days.

[@jainchat78612]

Thanks Ron ! This is the only thing preventing me to start with MSE. Hope we get answers to that. Hope there is a way to achieve unilateral skeletal expansion for unilateral crossbite.

[@gauravverma8820]

@@jainchat78612Do you live in India?

[@jainchat78612]

@@gauravverma8820 yes

[@_Trakman]

How many months of key turning How many months of retention

[@spiscold50]

How about if you already have assymetry due to deviated midline and extractions. Will MSE help with that assymetry aesthetically?

[@JawHacks]

discussion of asymmetry is coming up.

[@cianlewis-hughes5172]

A class 3 malocclusion you need double jaw surgery for?

[@jlc5271]

No, just upper jaw surgery. If your underbite is only a couple of mm, you could maybe fix it with mse and fm

[@kikij906]

Hi Ronald , Any updates on the smart graft ?

[@JawHacks]

i will try and update soon. it is healing well and feeling a bit stronger.

[@kikij906]

Jaw Hacks this is good news, very promising.