PT 6: "IF YOU PUSH BLACK MURDER, YOU'RE NOT A LEGEND!!!!" DEE-1 ADDRESSES "YOUR" LEGENDS

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[@merc1917]

Dee -1 is speaking all facts. These rappers need to be held accountable. 💯

[@triibemod]

Parents need to be held accountable

[@corelation6709]

Math put his soul on sale, He'd never let KRS-ONE on his platform because he couldn't deflect!!!

[@fareal207]

Bruh I been waiting on him to interview KRS-1...how you in NY and that's not one of your first guests. That's mad weird

[@thedarksideoftheforce6658]

Math is a hypocrite!! Listen to Maths intro. He promotes gangsta rap. It's in his intro. He doesn't support hip-hop or real hip-hop. Krs he won't have on his show because it contradicts his show.

[@rockwellknuckles9425]

Dee-1 came in and sparked good convo.

[@o._c.]

He is a solid cat, and a great mcee

[@OfficialBigDawgKel]

He sucks and his point of view is Bull

[@fareal207]

@@OfficialBigDawgKel ....so then you support black murder and think it's fundamental to be a legend....?

[@fareal207]

@@OfficialBigDawgKel So then you think pushing black murder is necessary to be considered legendary?...just making sure I honed in on your thesis before I spark this lighter like lil wayne

[@insearchof5719]

wouldn’t have even wasted my time replying 😂 I love that KZbin shows reply history soon as you click their pfp it gives you a glimpse of the kind of person you’re dealing with 😂

[@ShadStu804]

Dee 1 speaking truth and many can’t handle it. We don’t wanna grow up.

[@all4god116]

At all! None of these men Do. It's sad

[@ldyung]

He told Math “you trollin” 😂

[@trillcashville]

Math is talking about him at 40 Dee 1 is talking about the kids

[@darrellharvey3783]

💯

[@coreyfulton2298]

Math playing dumb he knows exactly what this man is saying

[@lindseyadams5339]

Sometimes I dont think he be playing!

[@aperson2943]

Especially when literally the opening song for this video is Math bragging about slapping rappers.

[@EvesGonnaEve]

Sadly I don't think he's playing. Math is cool and I love and respect what he's doing with his podcast but he's never come across as the sharpest knife in the drawer. I don't think he's pretending to not understand. I think he genuinely doesn't get it, which is worse, esp at his age 🤦🏿‍♀️

[@fly3xzistence]

The man isn’t saying anything nobody wants to address the real issue.. if hip hop never existed it will still be murders Maybe more

[@bulletsRflying]

He just is dumb

[@Luke973T]

Malcom X explained to us how silly it is to view comedians, actors, singers, and athletes as black leaders but here we are in 2024 still skipping over the root issues and focusing on the symptoms.

[@Poetryforstoners]

But that was a different time, rappers are the new “leaders”

[@Luke973T]

@@Poetryforstoners nothing new or different about it. Bad idea then, bad idea now.

[@Poetryforstoners]

@@Luke973T as a writer I believe you are a leader if you talking bout your problems and don’t get to a solution, you a narr

[@Luke973T]

@@Poetryforstoners I have no idea what your comment is saying

[@leroygreen6310]

All Math has to do is walk around the neighborhood and he'll see a hundred youths out there the look like, talk like and act like their favorite rapper. Literally NBA Young Boy on every corner in the hood like a glitch in the matrix.

[@hasanicoward4425]

Facts

[@dolothebandit]

Exactly

[@MrPlatano11]

Thing is people are barely just now waking up, and the ones who need to know are the slowest ones to find out. Takes alot of courage and self awareness to change

[@preelenede]

D1 is the truth! Math sounds crazy!

[@slimjakeymusic6597]

You can rap about the streets without glorifying the lifestyle.

[@dvdndsWill]

Exactly, but for most, they can't recognize and stay away from the line that eventually often gets crossed.

[@kharyvines6971]

NWA DID THAT BUT THE SYSTEM USED THAT TO CONTROL Y'ALL

[@agendaxpushers1322]

glorifying is subjective because rappers could show you the downside and have for decades but it doesn't stop certain segments of the audience from loving the aesthetic and lifestyle.

[@kharyvines6971]

FATHERLESS PEOPLE

[@Sickhead22]

How about you don't rap about the streets at all but instead rap about things that glorify God?

[@sonofjudah6520]

Funny how one minute it's " I'm not industry, I'm in da streets". Minute later, " these just raps"

[@SupaNatural28]

They feel like they have to be something they are not to get ahead.

[@irocjays]

“To whom you give your money is to whom give your power”

[@walattat728]

🔥💯

[@OfficialBigDawgKel]

You surely ain't giving your money to artist by streaming there music for pennies on the dollar

[@CHICOIZPAIN]

Math is ridiculous sometimes. Acting clueless

[@LLO227]

Facts, it’s depressing. Losing mad respect for New York Trolls

[@Uzayr28]

Plastic man…steady reaching😂

[@jflack6]

It’s not an act

[@camfreed9829]

Math is a battle rapper. He’s not acting he really believes what he’s saying because this was the way he got his rise publicly. He’s not that far removed from battle rap so it’s going to be HARD to change his mind on justifying violent lyrics

[@anonymouslakernerd7214]

We hope it's an act.

[@SargonSkilliams]

wow the hosts really dont want the guest to speak his mind !! they yappin over him and switchin it up - shame

[@fareal207]

Yea Math starting to look compromised... Mec, we'll rock with ya if you decide to do something else, it's getting shaky at MEO

[@Reallybruh99]

I feel you but MEC had to articulate it in a way the guest couldn’t.

[@derekpulliam2274]

If you have influence, you’re a leader. If you have a platform, you’re a leader. It’s not sad. It’s not horrible. It’s not a bad look for a particular community. It is what it is. It’s a weak argument to pretend that reality away. It’s a sign of weakness to troll your guest when you’re failing in the discussion/debate. Aside from that, the discussion good and necessary. Way to be a leader!

[@irocjays]

“To whom you give your money is to whom give your power”

[@asheman5240]

Finally somebody speaking truths. Math in denial

[@camfreed9829]

We all need to study Rakim. Never cursed in his Raps. And he’s the God MC

[@cblack3737]

To you NY niggaz. Not to other regions.

[@derekpulliam2274]

The arts, regardless of form or genre, have been used for centuries to communicate a message, create movements, and cultivate the masses. If you want to frame an agenda determine the way people think, do it through the arts

[@danielhall1226]

Art has always imitated life

[@aperson2943]

I'm a Star Wars fan. There is a character named Grand Admiral Thrawn who was created in Star Wars novels years ago. He was recently seen in animation and the Ahsoka show. He said this same thing. If you really want to understand a culture and a people you do so through their art. I can tell trends, social preference, demographics, politics, religion and almost everything in between if I study their art. What they choose to promote, or what they choose to ignore. Once I've gained that knowledge then I can manipulate the masses.

[@williamdavis8855]

Or to MisEducate and Misdirect the masses or group of people

[@benniewhite144]

Dee 1 on the right path, I guess some people are scared to admit it or they just not ready yet...

[@repone817]

I love when people go against the grain. I’m going to have to check out Dee 1 let’s see what his music is like. Dee 1 came in ready. Great conversation

[@dawb86]

He actually right, if cats like Math don’t like the idea of rappers having to be more responsible in their lyrics and content then “responsible” people should stop supporting platforms like this one 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@OfficialBigDawgKel]

I think you a bozo

[@dawb86]

@@OfficialBigDawgKel Very sentimental of you, thanks.

[@OfficialBigDawgKel]

@@dawb86 goofy

[@tristinhall1275]

@@dawb86 you’re always acting like you have the power to end somebody’s shit just because you disagree with them. People like you don’t deserve power.

[@walattat728]

The word demon means "to be skilled." Dee-1 came with that 🔥

[@nedarriusjohnson]

😅 Math throw in the towel, even your mane man had a change of heart

[@verlongrimes0971]

Math made some terrible arguments. Rappers justifying the dysfunction glorified in Rap music is the problem.

[@SuperSavageSpirit]

Dee 1 is an intelligent black man. Math can't compete

[@KKB45]

Can't rap about something you not doing or haven't did. If the struggle is what they come from then of course they gonna rap about it. The goal is to boss up and once you make it you can switch up the topic because you are experiencing a different lifestyle. The core fans might not rock with the transition but it is what it is

[@verlongrimes0971]

@@KKB45 But plenty of Rappers rap about a life they've never lived....all the time. And there's a way to Rap about struggling without glorifying and promoting dysfunction. Too many young impressionable Black kids are listening to and influenced by these Rappers for them to not be using their voices, their art for higher purposes.

[@WJBrown]

NO THE PROBLEM IS THE LABELS WITH THE POWER AND RESOURCES HIRING RAPPERS TO CONTINUE THE CYCLE OF VIOLENT MESSAGES! THIS SHYT IS LAME

[@danielhall1226]

Art imitates life. The dysfunction was here before rap

[@pate617]

Math going out bad yo

[@williamdavis8855]

Mos Def always had that street life in his tracks, he never glorified violence lile Brown on Brown murder!!

[@Apol-los]

The Teacher/Prophet strikes again! Dee keep remaining Real, Righteous, and Relevant 🙏🏻

[@OfficialBigDawgKel]

He trash

[@cblack3737]

And wont sell a wooden nickel. He can talk all the conscious shit all he wants.... If he doesn't sell.... Label drops his overly positive ass. It's always mfs that can't sell wanting to dictate the rules to this shit.

[@michaelmichael3982]

Math in the conversation is sounding crazy . I know he smarter then that must be for tv.

[@kingchad333]

I be wondering....

[@williamgrierson4133]

Math got one foot stuck over on the dark side😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@camfreed9829]

He’s a battle rapper what did you think? The mind it takes to go to that place. I’m sure he’s made commitments that are going to be HARD to overturn

[@Reallybruh99]

@@camfreed9829battle rapping and making hot songs that mostly are listened to by kids is different

[@Be_Elightened19]

When I was a teenager, I ran across (GangStar) Guru's "Moment of truth" track. He shaped my hip hop taste to crave conscious rap.

[@mightywisdom88]

❤ Moment of Truth

[@C.Riggs14]

I don't just play that song, but I play that whole album to this day.. But that Moment of Truth record had so many gems. RIP GURU

[@GReid-ol5gk]

That song is a must-listen for anyone that loves Hip Hop.

[@RenR70]

Dee-1 talkin bout the way things are, Math talkin bout the way it should be.

[@stephenanthony5923]

Rapper aren't leaders but they all wanna be bosses? The community is confused and talking about nothing

[@HKBLUE70THSTRSIXOWE]

My hkomie was a leader in my community all the tiny locs looked upto cuhk his death at the hands of a coward done fucced up the children of my community they don't really see noway out if yall aint athletic nip had the blueprint on how to escape the hk60d S.I.P my big bro Nayborhk60d Nip Sixty Crip

[@blackstarenigmatic1112]

This debate is very old and not restricted to rap or hip-hop. Those of us old enough remember the song "Self Destruction" by the Stop the Violence Movement. If I remember correctly that was 1989, long before Trap and Drill. Video games, death metal and even Dixie Jazz sparked the same sort of moral outrage. The difference is the immersive nature of the media through which we consume these contents and the disintegrating context that feed on, and into the artistic expressions. The same sort of argument is going on with regards to the graphic violence in movies or video games and internet contents. Am not saying that rappers are not responsible for the garbage many spew out but we can't ignore the larger context of these events. We often discuss these things as though black people live in a cocoon by ourselves. Listen to many of these rappers and the main themes are all inspired by movies not the so called "streets". Biggie called himself the "black Frank White" for a reason. The basic imagery is all from the Hollywood depiction of the "National Crime Syndicate". Remember the name "Murder Inc"? Even the term and image of the "gangsta" is borrowed from the same imagery source. None of these influences are exclusively black or reflective of the lives of most black people in general. Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky are not black neither is the fictional Tony Montana. Besides this point, the image most rappers project is a soup cooked by the media department of record companies owned and controlled by other people. My point is that this is a complex issue that is difficult to understand if we focus too much on rappers or the clichés of pointless violence that is in American entertainment in general.

[@jamar95little24]

So how you explain Bumpy Johnson

[@monstalung]

this is one of my favorite eps, this debate was much needed.

[@traj_mahal300]

"this is not suppose to be positive, this music is negative because the streets are negative" -Ice T

[@sv6065]

Now we see why Bigga is gone

[@kondodurham2599]

....loving this episode

[@Bdphonorat]

Love the convo

[@andweleyakini1123]

Salute Mecca! Most important point made yet! Most of these children don’t have that father presence in their life and so they ARE influenced by the music. Same as gangs. Crazy how seemingly obvious truths are so hard for some of us to accept or acknowledge (on public platforms) 👀🤔

[@juice07x]

2pac was a genius artist cause he knew what types of lyrics will last the test of time.

[@drstrangelo5274]

Math stop the cap.. u know he's right..

[@clyderobinson3475]

No he’s not will yall please stop pointing the finger at rap music for every thing dam.

[@ashijinjr]

​@@clyderobinson3475if he not right...why are kids these day killing each other than???

[@Luke973T]

​@ashijinjr why did kids kill in 1971? 700 murders in Detroit that year and they were listening to the ojays

[@traj_mahal300]

​@@ashijinjrthe same exact reasons kids were killing each other prior to rap music

[@jamaldavis8260]

Great conversation brothers!!

[@aurorasteeltv]

We need people like Dee1 to wake people like Math up 🎉🎉

[@djairalert422]

Glad somebody got the balls to say it protect this man at all cost

[@jermainewright4339]

💯💯💯🤎🤎🤎we need 2 stop normalizing the phuckery

[@Thatiswild911]

Math is wild. One second.." sexy red is not good to listen to" the next minute " it's ok to say negative ish in rap"....

[@chrischristopher6038]

Dee-1 said why FOLLOW someone if they're NOT a Leader!? 🤔😳🤷🏿‍♂️ FACTS 💯✊🏿💪🏿

[@timeraking]

Now this episode is going to be one of my favorites

[@majorant102]

Salute my brother 🙏🏾 💯

[@HIPHOPPDX]

“Legendary Christian” 😂😂😂😂😂😂yo math you mad funny.

[@shaundasmith7765]

Get em Dee

[@albertpullhoes]

Dee1, it was metaphorical context in hip hop back then also cautionary tale driven

[@jojocapone100]

Yall shoulda did this live

[@JuJuBC90]

Agree with Mec on everything he said about hip hop. The last statement Math said is on point

[@maxipayne981]

all it take is one song, you never know who you are influencing!

[@lboogtv3948]

Lyrics back then speaks metaphorically & now artist are speakin more literal to where it pertain to real life events

[@johnathanrussell9755]

These rap podcasts owe jayz their life .

[@maddfilmz]

A Matter oF Opinion...indeed 💯

[@dfwherbie8814]

You can rap about whatever but you gotta understand that glorifying murder, drugs, and prostitution is NOT normal. It should be fringe. But it’s not..

[@julesgordon1109]

Its a thin line between playing devil's advocate and making dumb arguments

[@Paris__Michael]

And THIS man REAL-LY did, 𝐁𝐎𝐓𝐇 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️!….

[@growngrownman5950]

Music is a mantra and it can be very influential to the undeveloped mind. Remember the human brain doesn't fully develop until between the ages of 25 - 30. So, be cognizant of what you feed your mind. You might watch the same movie a few times a year but most people listen to the same songs daily.

[@j.r776]

Yall talking to the wall on this conversation. Math knows the truth man, he cappin on this one

[@GLPATON]

Good Point DEE1…

[@Mack716]

Dee1 is 100% right 💯

[@BluntculturE42]

Frank Lucas gave out turkeys to lol

[@previsioncapital5356]

Tell em Dee

[@TheTeslaTy500Show]

Hoffa Gang

[@larryconnerjr1835]

If rap music would have never existed the issues in the streets and the black community would still be there

[@dlrowmotemoclew]

That’s like saying “If Sony never advertised PlayStation, people would still own them”. I won’t sit here and go through the trickle down affect in changing history, had PlayStation originally only sold 20-30% of what they did. But you can make the connection in the difference of reaching out and instilling a self destructive ideology to the masses versus the percentage that are literally backed into a corner of developing that ideology naturally on some animalistic shit.

[@larryconnerjr1835]

@@dlrowmotemoclew All you have to do is look at the crime rates in the 1970’s and 80’s before gangsta rap was even popular, I disagree with a lot of the content in rap music but I’ve never believed people commit crimes, sell drugs, gangbang or any other violent crime because of what music they listen too, I’ve always felt you can criticize rap music and other negative aspects of black culture , but ultimately humans are going to do what they want to do regardless of what entertainment they consume

[@kristopherleslie8343]

We didn’t create the drama, white america set the campaign

[@dlrowmotemoclew]

@@larryconnerjr1835I have to wholeheartedly disagree with that. There’s tons of physiological experiments that shows that the behavior of humans can very easily be drastically affected by even the most minuscule amount of influence. Look at the Stanford prison experiment for example. But it’s not as cut and dry as saying someone is committing a crime solely because they listened to a song. It’s much deeper than that. But I can give a surface level example. I’m from New Orleans Louisiana. Gang culture has never been a prominent thing here. It’s always been about what ward you’re from. In Wayne’s prime, he suddenly started claiming blood. I was in high school at the time. I had a small outsider bit of knowledge about gang culture because I’m a huge fan of old school west coast music. So I was put off when immediately after Wayne started claiming blood, everyone around me out of NOWHERE were wearing red bandanas and claiming piru. Not a single one could’ve told you where the name even came from. I remember asking a few of my friends “Ight so. Remind me…who jumped you in?” Just as a joke. I used to mess with them all the time but it really grew into a huge thing. Now was there technically gang members in the city before hand? Of course. They’re everywhere but there isn’t or wasn’t a branch here, it was just not a thing. No one gaf about colors, no one threw gang signs, no one claimed blocks, searching for rivals to do a drive by on or none of that. We can both agree that rap music isn’t the root or main cause of crime and that crime in the black community would exist without it. I just find it extremely hard to believe that the way we treat or view each other wouldn’t be as sickening if it wasn’t for that influence.

[@aceboogie901]

Facts, why reach for just one ya know

[@jamesbracely349]

This what we missing in hip hop.i havent seen rappers talk this deep since nelly dropped tip drill

[@donfuego5716]

Math acting like he got XX chromosome the way he duck and dodges accountability like a female... 2pac has a interview talkin about how rappers have a responsibility for the type of music they put out RIP to the goat

[@goleeleeb6032]

Trollin hoff listen to your brothers

[@deshawnjones324]

Yo I thought Math was a smart guy!!!

[@r.e.a.lbrand48214]

Salute @dee1 keep pushing Christ & calling these degenerate rappers out ✊🏾🙏🏾🔥

[@cantstop-wontstop2138]

"Why are you following someone if he is not a leader?" -BARZ- DEE1

[@blacklatin11]

Math come on Sun...you know betta. The way thungs lookin outside. Black folks need all the positive we can get. 💩s bout to get real out here - AGAIN.

[@BluntculturE42]

Math actually saying he cool with keeping the dramafied situation going.

[@Davey1522]

Dee1 told people to unsubscribe from Math channel right in front of him 😂😂😂

[@Loaded_Instinct33]

I'm from 🇿🇦 I grew up on 50cent 21years I was 10years old but wasn't doing what he was doing growing n I still listen to him n other old school rappers as Gat Murda said n still do till this day

[@malieaton7902]

Love Dee 1 for calling Math a troll lol if the shoes fits…

[@PeterStone-hy6ir]

Mecca lost his point when he started bringing up Busta, Red, & Meth all have street content in their songs

[@EargasmEnt]

No he didn’t. His point was even though they may have that content in some records, that’s not the bulk of their content and it’s not what we associate them with.

[@walidahmed6213]

Com on math

[@JoeLouie25]

This ain’t it Matthew Hoffa

[@absolute7250]

In starting to think this is about backpack rappers vs Street rappers again.

[@SargonSkilliams]

the intro music samples the horn from RUMP SHAKER.

[@erichawkins7305]

Let me school you they sampled those horns as well and so did Public enemy first for "show em what you got.

[@Marvin-ut4xs]

​@@erichawkins7305 facts but them & n2deep sampled another record

[@erichawkins7305]

@@Marvin-ut4xs that's what I'm saying it's all from Lafayette afro Rock bank song "darkest light"

[@Marvin-ut4xs]

@@erichawkins7305 FACTS, I had forgotten where it originally came from, it's been used so many times. But you sure are correct 👍

[@JayGNeverStopTV]

Our words is a powerful tongue what we speak is what we write our history with so the raps these ppl are putting out is gonna affect peoples for centuries to come it’s set in stone brother!

[@dexteredwards2048]

“You trolling.” 😂

[@godking8528]

Math shows how much of a goofball without his original crew with crew video

[@zayzay542]

I hope they hear Dee1!!!

[@all4god116]

Dee is my Guy frfr

[@Lmejias20]

I'm curious of dee thoughts on if Em is a legend

[@carlmallory3319]

Dee-1 makes valid points.

[@kendalls.w.3234]

Yall forgot Math is on the payroll

[@SccTvEnt]

Lmfao math said no😅

[@lucasa1059]

Dee 1 is official

[@THERESONLY1BOTTEMLINE]

Rah Rah Like A Dungeon Dragon😂😂😂

[@pushinonpurposetv]

Awesome platform, but Math sounds like a man that doesn't believe people actually grow up.

[@oneday12208]

Music is just music. Movies are just movies. Father's raise your sons!

[@ThousandairesClub]

*right or wrong, a legend is a legend* 🕵

[@velllord]

we just need more influential people who help promote being pillars in our communities. that's all