Public Charging Guide - GridServe Electric Highway ABB Chargers

[@aquissuk]

I agree with your stop comment. I think it should ask you for your original authorised payment method again to confirm it's you.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Yeah even outside of other people wanting to charge, I can picture some idiot thinking it’s funny to stop somebody’s charge just for the hell of it. I hope I’m wrong but…

[@aquissuk]

@@AbuDhabiDude the problem is Alex, I don't think you are wrong. We have lived in an era of EV etiquette where everyone for the most part follow the rules. We're now moving into mass adoption where someone in a rush, where maybe not enough chargers, is going to be a total plonker and do something as crafty as that. I would like a situation where the original pay method is needed to stop, but here is a further idea...the ability to set on screen a max charge point on the charger screen....if that is reached, then the charger will allow the session to be stopped and unplugged, so if you not quite back in time, you and someone else knows they can use it.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

I like your idea Martin. That would be a great solution although there are possibly implications I have missed. But I would certainly be in favour of a system like that.

[@oakwoodrammy]

Thanks for explaining the 120kw / 60kw thing. I just got confused by that at another Gridserve charger. It stated 120kw but zap map and Gridserve websites both say only 60kw.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

No problem. It’s a difficult thing to get to grips with until you understand it. Glad it helped.

[@nickph1357]

Well done Alex, nice informative video. lf your feeling really wild come down to the Braintree Gridserve charging Hub tomorrow Sunday 7th. There is an I-Pace meeting at 10.30 and Garry should be there. Take care Cheers.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Thanks Nick. I’d love to join you but a) I’m working tomorrow and b) I’d have to set off at midnight! 😉 Thanks for the invite though. Have a great day!

[@aquissuk]

@@AbuDhabiDude You can take a plane....Oh, wait...

[@johnrperrett7977]

Good chargers and I am the same at being guilty of forgetting to close the flap! Keep them up.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Yep. We’re the reason the newer models have a charging flap warning light!

[@redshift3]

thanks for explaining why they always fail to deliver even 100kW

[@AbuDhabiDude]

I’ve seen a lot of people asking that question, so I thought it was worth explaining. Glad it helped!

[@09Quarks]

When you were thinking of a word, I thought “ne’er-do-wells” too. This could be an issue, but could be fixed with a software update.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Haha! I dismissed about two other words before I settled on ne’er-do-wells! Easily fixed I’m sure if it proves to be an issue. Hopefully people will play nice, but it only needs to happen once. I wonder how many people will think it’s funny as they walk past a car charging…

[@andysheppard9639]

Did my first charge on the new gridserve at Fleet today..was not quite as straightforward as this. First charger would not work, was saying 'waiting for power'. Disconnected and tried the other one. Same problem to start with but eventually got it working (I think by selecting the CCS button on the screen but not quite sure). Did also get an HV fault on car after disconnecting from first charger. Luckily that cleared. Was not quite as simple as in this video as for whatever reason charge wouldn't commence due to waiting for power to be available message.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

I’m really sorry to hear this. Anecdotally I feel like I’ve seen a few complaints relating to Fleet lately. All I can do is report on my experience, good or bad, but unfortunately it does seem like these ABB chargers are still problematic for some. I do wish they had just gone with Tritiums across their sites.

[@moo4rich]

Agree with your comment about stopping but it is the same for other providers who use ABB chargers. I only use those sites where I'm with the car or can see it.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Yeah I guessed it must be an ABB thing as the software is usually pretty standard. It was my first time using one of the new ABBs.

[@martinfoster288]

Thanks for the video Be good if you could do a run back up to Fortwilliam and further North if you get a chance there are quite a few new chargers to try. I've done 40,000 in my ipace now and its been fun, but I do travel with my brother in his m3 and with the right conditions he gets 250Kw from a supercharger meaning he can get us home with a 7min top up adding 100 miles. Its a shame JLR aren't keeping up because I love this car and it will be coming up to the time I usually renew my car.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Hi Martin. Yes I’ve been thinking of doing that again as it’s probably a lot simpler now with all the new installations. It’s on my list! But with winter coming I’ll probably leave it until next year. I agree that charging speed is the biggest thing that Jag have been overtaken on now. When I got my car, 100kW charging felt good but now there are cars at half the price that charge twice as fast. Pretty sure there will be an improvement on that front coming soon to the I-Pace, and a significant improvement to come in a couple of years or so when the big model refresh comes. Doubt it will apply retrospectively to existing models though.

[@jagmani-pace3545]

Similar experience to mine with the Gridserve ABB 120kw. However go to Rugby services with the tritium 350 kw chargers and I can get 104kw provided i arrive with less than 30% soc.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Yeah that’s a fairly standard I-Pace charging curve. It’s surprising how slow it is when you plug in above 50%. I plugged in to Ionity once at around 54% (just needed a quick top up to get home) and it was giving me 40 kW.

[@ogriboy]

Looks like the same type as Pulse 150kw units. I have noted on BP pulse that if you start the charge with an app then you can turn off on screen however if you use an RFID card then it requests this to confirm disconnection.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

That’s quite odd behaviour! Useful to know though. I haven’t used the BP 150 kW chargers yet, but planning a video on them soon (ish).

[@ogriboy]

@@AbuDhabiDude When you get a min can you explain how you got the clock on the home screen Ive tried all avenues nothing. All I seem to be able to do is change background and which window appears first. Rgds.

[@AbuDhabiDude]

I’ll try and do a video on it soon. You’re not the first person to ask me this!

[@richardblayney5898]

I hear your comments about temp and not giving the ideal charge but surely that would be at the max charge of say 100kw. I’m really surprised that it still restricted it with a slower charger….?

[@AbuDhabiDude]

It’s a combination of the two elements. I’m sure temp played a small part but in this case, the high state of charge was probably the main contributor. But you have to take the two together and not in isolation.

[@redshift3]

Does ABRP assume 120kW or 60kW max for these chargers with an i-pace? I find ABRP is optimistic about charging rates

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Unfortunately they assume 120 kW. They use the open charge map database for chargers and it does not differentiate in that way. So they are just listed as 120kW chargers on there, and ABRP uses this value. It’s not ideal but I’m not sure what the way around this would be.

[@redshift3]

@@AbuDhabiDude If ABRP can model the i-pace's discharging behaviour, they should be able to model it's charging behaviour too (although perhaps not as accurately)

[@AbuDhabiDude]

The problem is this is not down to the car, it’s down to the charger. So as far as the database that ABRP accesses is concerned, the charger provides 120kW. So it models the charging session based on the I-Pace charging curve assuming it will deliver full power. I’ve found ABRP to be generally very accurate on charging time (not with these chargers though for sure because of the above). But they have no way of knowing your battery temperature when planning a route, so there is a limit to how accurate they can be.

[@redshift3]

@@AbuDhabiDude ABRP knows the charger and the car. It's not beyond the wit of programmers to attach some logic and modified charging limits to those conditions. I agree that it's more difficult (but not impossible) to model the battery temperature on arrival at a charger

[@AbuDhabiDude]

It’s pretty much impossible to model battery temperature in that way. If you monitor your battery temps you will see how much it can vary just down to starting, stopping, acceleration and braking behaviour. It makes a huge variation. Also, they don’t model individual chargers. The open charge map database doesn’t go into that detail. It gives location, power output and price. If you want more detail you’d have to take it up with them rather than ABRP. You’re oversimplifying what is actually a very complex process. Modelling of charging curves in all conditions for every EV out there is not as simple as you’re implying, and in all honesty is beyond what I would expect of a small third party developer on a free app. For me, ABRP is the best EV planner out there and the charging times are close enough that I’m not going to worry about it. But I’m using the premium subscription with live data which does make a difference I suppose.

[@aquissuk]

I notice the chap in the background having a nose. Did he ask anything or comment out of interest?

[@AbuDhabiDude]

Lol. I didn’t notice him until I was editing this. I’m not sure if he was going to ask something or if he was just having a nose as to what I was filming! I just never even noticed him sitting there with his window down. Hope he was just being nosy as I’d hate to have ignored him!