The Next Generation Filling Station: Gridserve | Fifth Gear Recharged

It’s no good persuading all of us to go electric if we can’t charge the things, quickly and efficiently on the move. We look at the current state of play in the UK and whether the country is on course to meet the charging demands of the future.
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[@fifthgearuk]

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[@farishanafiah8461]

Ngl, that is actually quite a brilliant idea. I love the solar panels idea.

[@Brian-om2hh]

They're high efficiency panels too, and will still partly function even with a covering of snow.

[@mikadavies660]

Gridserve are getting on with the job of finding a "solution" and providing a great service.... Whilst people keep screaming "it will never work"!! People in UK have forgotten what Positive Thinking is... Because they have forgotten that it built an Empire. Thumbs up to people like Gridserve and Apps like Bonnet.... 👍👍👍

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

The amount of brain-dead thinking posted after every single EV related KZbin video is nuts. People saying batteries die after three years, can't get a charge cable to my flat, I can drive 700miles in my ICE without stopping etc

[@GarryMcGovern]

'Built' an empire? Don't you mean 'stole'?

[@mikadavies660]

@@GarryMcGovern Of course.... How do you think any Empire is built? We were world class at rape & pillage. But nothing is built by a "can't do it, we will fail... Attitude" Which is what I was talking about

[@mikadavies660]

@@aaaa-ig6sc Yes... I agree. Very annoying. Those people didn't know a German guy has done 1.5million km on his Tesla.... All EV's will catch fire... Blah blah blah

[@vroom6591]

@@aaaa-ig6sc so how are people who have no off road parking going to charge then ? And cheap ev cars only do around hundred twenty miles if that only if you drive like an old lady

[@h418lfc]

Brilliant, if the neighbouring solar panel farm could be integrated with agrivolics (raised panels that allow either the growth of crops or grazing of livestock to co exist) then the UK will really be getting somewhere.

[@danielm2934]

Absolutely fantastic. I really hope the US can keep up with this.

[@timaustin2000]

A few statements are not factual here: a) there is not expected to be a huge increase in power demand due to EVs as there is already far more capacity in the grid than we use at night. And as the efficiency of appliances, lighting and heavy industry continues to improve there's every chance that the only real bump needed will be about 10-15%, which is already largely accounted for in planned additions. B) Coal is dead. It produces virtually nothing for the grid today and will be gone entirely by 2024, leaving Natural Gas as the only fossil fuel left on the grid.

[@Muppetkeeper]

Tim Austin, this man is correct. Also, the overall demand in the UK has dropped sgnificantly over the last 10 years, the 10-15% increase from now will take us to less than the peak we had just a few years ago. There will of course need to be some local work, and the grid network is forever changing, but it's all "business as usual' for the grid company.

[@ndivhuwomphaphuli4008]

Brilliant innovation

[@markbennett9787]

So he could have been called Pease Pottage or Clackett Lane ?

[@deansh8506]

His brother was also named after a service station - Heston. And I'm not making that shit up either 😂

[@staceyismine]

If the engery companies brought down there prices and not be so F#$king Gready am sure more people would be driving electric vehicles today

[@Neojhun]

Huh? Electricity Per Mileage is easily 2x Cheaper than Petrol. The energy for Electric Vehicles is very affordable. Problem is limited supply and high demand of Vehicles makes their purchase price high.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

That's more to do with supply/demand and gas prices and the UK being reliant on generation by other countries. If your home tariff is 25p a kWh then public charging isn't going to be less these days. They'll be making a profit but not massive if you factor in business costs and production and other equipment and maintenance costs into the rapid charger fee. Up until 2021 public charging was lower, it's not a case more people driving so they up the prices, the spot price is huge and still high unfortunately

[@Brian-om2hh]

So buy a used EV. They cost less than a new one. I've seen used EV's on sale at sub £6k prices.... You probably weren't aware there are now dealers out there whom sell only used EV's......

[@ben3291]

I Really like this concept as where I live I cannot charge a EV. With More of these stations in the future and when they can bring EV Prices Down to Between £15-£20K and with Atleast 200 miles of range Then it will be more financially viable to own one atm it is still not there.

[@Mike_5]

This is why all our Electricity bills are going up to pay for this infrastructure

[@Scottish_Transport_Explorer]

For the better good for planet Earth

[@Muppetkeeper]

This is a private company, they paid themselves.

[@Scottish_Transport_Explorer]

@@Muppetkeeper yep

[@Mike_5]

@@Muppetkeeper with Government subsidies

[@Muppetkeeper]

@@Mike_5 I’ve looked at their accounts and balance sheet, I can’t see any sign of subsidies, can you quote your source please, I’ve missed it.

[@michaelbarton2401]

Seems to be a bit late. Gridserve has been operating for a year already. They have been building them all over.

[@Brian-om2hh]

The Norwich and Gatwick Airport sites are in progress now.....

[@michaelbarton2401]

@@Brian-om2hh planning permission requested for Bromborough, Wirral also.

[@cannyscott]

Graces amazing machines on cbbc to fifth gear well done lass! 👏

[@iantrott9152]

This is one of the few installations that is relatively accessible for disabled EV customers… sadly the vast majority of charging infrastructure simply isn’t accessible for disabled users. I’ve been trying to highlight this issue since 2015. Perhaps 5th Gear could publicised this major shortcoming of the EV network roll out in the hope of raising awareness :)

[@Neojhun]

That CCS charger design is quite horrible for everyone and especially for people with fine movement problems. That massive extra lobe design is soo wrong. It should be a Monolithic Plug like the old Tesla Supercharger Mennekes or China's GB/T which is a hybrid of CHAdeMO & Mennekes. Main thing it should be a simple swift action.

[@swithin78]

Why didnt the presenter give a per unit price of using the service. This information would make the clip complete. Essentially, this is vital to the consumer and serve as data for comparative analysis.

[@timsyoutubechannel9798]

It's currently 30p per kWh. In my car that would get me around 100 miles for about 9 quid. However, most users will be topping somewhere like this. The vast majority of EV owners charge at home on off-peak tariffs at night averaging about 9p per kWh.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

Probably because it'll be out of date when watched. Currently if you get 50mpg in a modern diesel then 100miles is roughly 9 litres * £1.50 = £13.50 Based on Tim Tam only getting a 3.3 miles per kWh that's 100/3.3 * 0.30 = roughly £9. Obviously adjust so if you get 25mpg it's £27 or say 4 miles per kWh then £7.50. If you can charge at home on 7.5p off-peak like Octopus then 100 miles is ~£1.86 or 10,000 yearly is ~£186

[@ONYX-365]

When Governments are losing out billions in tax each year from fuel duty the price will rise to travel. It's cheaper FOR NOW.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@24k__J But that will also by default mean that it'll cost more to refine oil too, so the cost of petrol and diesel will rise too.....

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@NatalDank Agreed. I'd like to see the billions in taxpayer funded subsidies to the oil industry scrapped. That should shake things up. The £20+ gallon would make it's debut.....

[@wealradyknowwhois]

Hopefully there is cinema in there.

[@andrewgraham7659]

This is exactly what companies should be doing for EV owners and operators. You could even use your phones on the forecourt.

[@olivergunn2796]

This makes BPs efforts look a little lack luster, I've heard it said before that petrol stations make the money off the shop, not the actual petrol, guess grid serve is going to become a major competitor before they have a chance to make the switch

[@dogwu2099]

Rory voicing 5th gear as well? 👍

[@bmw3-er]

Won't complain. He's great.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

And he is one of the presenters on it

[@patdaveydrums]

That last statement was a little misleading. Depends on the day in question.

[@wilmotown]

This looks like something one of us Americans would design. Sure, it’s somewhat attractive in an industrial sort of way, but that’s because it’s clean, which it won’t stay. There’s so much pavement, and those spaces are enormous-why? Why can’t we just have a row of chargers that are back-in, like a Supercharger, and then have less tarmac and more trees? Those spaces aren’t big enough for semi trucks (who wants to park passenger cars with semis? There’s a reason we separate them) and they aren’t big enough for caravans either, so there’s no utility in all that space. This just looks like a nearly-as-miserable version of a motorway service station, it’s not a visual improvement and doesn’t make the experience any nicer. The solar panel roof is cool and I think all gas stations should implement them on those massive awnings they already have to power the lights and maybe the mains in the store next to the pumps, but that’s the only actual innovation here to me. And there’s even still a big plot of land covered by batteries. I was hoping that all this new electric car stuff could make our neighborhoods more pleasant by eliminating those big masses of pavement at gas stations, but there doesn’t seem to be any interest in that. Sigh.

[@Delta_Sierra]

left hand side is for HGV charging, they have much smaller sites as well

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

In a perfect world we'd all charge at home and range would be sufficient that 100% of everyone's journeys would be fine. Unfortunately we still need forecourts for rapid charging. I think we should focus on replacing/adding pumps at existing forecourts with 350kW lanes and getting to the point that it's charge whilst stood by the car and go like ICE today. At least it's moved away from the carpark space mentality like Tesla, that's fine for slow destination charging, but for rapid we need a drive through approach. As mentioned above there's a separate lane for longer vehicles

[@davidsworld5837]

this is a very later look at this location its been on youtube for over a year people forget the more evs on the roads the more charger companies will be happy to put or add more chargers. in the same way as tesla have made there charge locations have more chargers

[@igor6270]

wonderfull ... and payment wiht apple/google pay and with credit cards! That's what we need on all chargers..

[@antoniopalmero4063]

Is this the only gridserve forecourt ?.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Nope, it's the first one of 100 which are planned on most of Britain's major road routes. More are under construction right now....

[@ScientiaFilms]

Is it going to be Firstgear from now on?

[@MundoOval]

Now with the absurd prices of electricity it is simply not worth it

[@SimonEllwood]

It is not worth saving the planet as fossil fuels are too expensive? I have no idea what your comment means. I would have thought expensive fossil fuels is a good reason to move away from them. It is also a good reason to change how we pay for electric so it is not linked to the price of natural gas.

[@Brian-om2hh]

And the cost of petrol and diesel has always remained at sensible prices, has it?

[@waza8501]

Why is it the Kia has a cable strewn across the path to charge when you can clearly see there is a drive way at that property

[@D4lF4l]

I've been wondering when this would become the standard.

[@monk3yboy69]

Still waiting …..

[@gabrielcaramet3238]

Seems like good stuff

[@rob_in_stowmarket_uk]

Referring to the existing BRAINTREE, Essex Gridserve site as ‘Toddington’s (the developer guy’s first name) forecourt’ will only to add to ICE drivers confusion as to its location. Sloppy journalism? Well I think so, but I ‘drive electric’ and frequently pass within 5-6 miles of the location.

[@JoriDiculous]

just wait for it. In Norway it is now cheaper to fill petrol on your car than to charge your EV. Thanks to the cables we have between England and Norway (and export to the EU) the electricity prices have skyrocketed. Dont give me the BS about "green energy", its an utopian nightmare. And it *will* get much much worse with countries shutting down their Nuclear plants and build pointless windmills.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

In the UK fuel prices are very high near the £1.50 which means it's roughly 55p per kWh before it's on par with a modern 50mpg diesel. Our InstaVolt is 45p, Osprey 40p. Home charging is 5-7.5p off-peak, and roughly 20-25p fixed rate. But that will all change in April's cap rise. If EV is on par with diesel then it's better with performance to choose EV not to mention no ved tax forgetting the healthier air quality

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

Should add there's a big difference with Nuclear fission shutdown, and future tokamaks with Nuclear fusion being built. If that's cracked then pretty much solves any energy concerns. Also all the world's Nuclear fission plants are less than 10% of all electric production

[@JoriDiculous]

@@aaaa-ig6sc in Norway Gasoline is on average £2 pr/Liter. Diesel is just under.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@JoriDiculous woah so how much are public chargers per kWh and your home kWh tariff? Until 2021 we had tariff of 10-15p now it's more like 20-25p per kWh since the gas spot price went nuts. Our cheapest UK off-peak has gone from 5p to 7.5p recently

[@JoriDiculous]

@@aaaa-ig6sc power prices is out of wack here. They have risen with around 300% in a couple of months. It is around 2.70 NOK pr KWH today (household power), in a country that produces "exclusively" clean Hydroelectric power (well, DID until they started to build the idiotic windmills around). Price increase is due to The EU Agency for the Cooperation of Energy Regulators (ACER) and export cables.

[@davyhoogy]

Homie is called Toddington 😂 after a motorway services? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 sorry but what the f

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

His brother is Heston after the M4 services too 🤣

[@davyhoogy]

@@aaaa-ig6sc have you met his sister? Watford Gap?

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@davyhoogy 🤣 I wasn't joking about this brother Heston though. He's the CEO APAC for Gridserve 😀

[@davyhoogy]

@@aaaa-ig6sc no way 🙈🤣🤣🤣

[@GarryMcGovern]

Yet charging from one of these fast chargers cost as much (if not more) as the equivalent miles in a similarly sized/powered diesel. So if you can't charge at home, you are effectively subsidising the running costs of those who can (who are more likely wealthier also). Once again...... sucks if you're poor: being forced to pay through the nose to charge your EV, when those who can park off street and avail of home charging, pay only a fraction.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

100 miles at 50 MPG = 9 litres * £1.50 = £13.50 If you get 4 miles per kWh then it starts getting more at about 55p with 100/4*0.55 = £13.75

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

With home charging that 100/4*0.20 = £5 at 20p or in the case of Octopus Go £1.87 at 7.5p off-peak

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

So 50 MPG diesel £13.50 Vs Octopus Go at £1.87 so it sucks if you don't have a drive

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

I think Gridserve only charges 24p per kWh

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@rtfazeberdee3519 at the electric forecourts it's 39p for up to 350kW (cheaper due to solar generation) otherwise 45p, it's 39p for rapid usually. It was 24p initially InstaVolt 45p, Osprey 40p etc When home energy tarrifs are going 30p there won't be 30p public chargers 🙃 this April will be a shock when the cap raises

[@chrisgreen4620]

Where does the power come from?

[@Crazyblox]

Where do you think? Regardless the efficiency yield will always be higher, no matter the source.

[@chrisgreen4620]

@@Crazyblox my point exactly .. electric cars are not the answer to the future

[@timsyoutubechannel9798]

For my car, 100% renewables - mostly wind, some solar and some hydro.

[@Neojhun]

@@chrisgreen4620 Sure they are not the future. We should of been at this stage a Decade ago. We should of done this faster.

[@chrisgreen4620]

@@Neojhun couldnt agree more, the government have alot to answer for, every new house should have solar panels, ev charging point and batteries installed so we try to be more self sufficient

[@DJIDroneTravel]

Wow what a amazing idea 💡

[@stonefors3032]

That C4, drives like actual dog shit. Expensive, bad range, drives like a sponge, the whole body goes backwards when you accelerate.

[@Muppetkeeper]

Well it is French :-)

[@alisonb4898]

With land at a premium how much of the cost will be added to the customer charging their car to pay for it.

[@scottvessey915]

All that land taken up by petrol stations today can be re-used, there are also examples of that starting to happen.

[@Ben.Royals]

It's 24p per kW to charge here, one of the cheapest fast chargers available. Their other chargers at motorway service stations are 30p per kW.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@scottvessey915 Correct. Shell in Norway have already begun removing petrol and diesel pumps from some of their lesser used forecourts, to replace them with EV chargers. Norway has the highest EV uptake of any European nation, at around 56% of the population.....

[@timrothwell33]

In the video it states as EVs sales grow the demand for electricity "will soar". But that's not true. This is what the National Grid states "Even if the impossible happened and we all switched to EVs overnight, we think demand would only increase by around 10 per cent. So we’d still be using less power as a nation than we did in 2002 and this is well within the range of manageable load fluctuation." We need to stop thinking that it's always an issue of increasing demand. We to make changes to our consumption by using our power more efficiently so we don't always have to increase the generating side of the equation

[@Brian-om2hh]

As the number of EV's increases, the emend for electricity will indeed rise, but the demand for refining oil will reduce.....and oil refineries use lots of electricity. In fact the UK's oil refineries produce 14 million gallons of petrol and 11 million gallons of diesel per day, each gallon requiring between 6 to 8kw of electricity to produce. You do the maths.....

[@YTSsport]

Great stuff but 10 minutes in the future is still too long. Imagine the queues if all the filling stations at like this. If it is anything like the petrol station near me which is already queuing means it could be a lengthy wait.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

Yeah 10mins is too long, I'd imagine we'll see 3mins. We already have EV6 that peaks at 230kW briefly and can do a 17min 10-80% charge in good conditions. 350kW capable should help, plus smaller batteries needed as efficiency increases

[@YTSsport]

@@aaaa-ig6sc hopefully we will see a more acceptable time but I don't think it'll be by 2030. I'd love an EV but for my commute (95% motorway) the range isn't good enough. The higher speeds you do the less range you get. So with your EV6 it's probably around 200-250 miles on a full charge which isn't really what you get because you should be charging up at 20% remaining according to the experts.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@YTSsport the 328 WLTP is more like 260 real world. Less in winter/more in summer. Less on motorway / more in city. If your commute is more than 100 miles I feel for you 😬, most people do less than 20 miles on average or zero miles these days WFH. Yeah the whole 20-80% is a bit of a leftover, batteries keep at high rates into 90% or even 95%. They all have buffers above and below the 0-100% displayed to reduce degradation. No one let's it get to 10% and lower intentionally, well I don't 😅 we should cars peaking at 350kW within the next eight years.

[@YTSsport]

@@aaaa-ig6sc my commute each working day is a total of 75 miles depending on road works at the moment. I live in the middle of no where. So it wouldn't last long for me personally. Of course for others an EV makes total sense if they can afford it.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@YTSsport yeah price is still the barrier although that's being brought down with the likes of the MG5/MG ZS £28k for 210+ miles real world. Once they get towards £20k then adoption should fly

[@desertstormer7556]

Electric vehicle owners should just take the train if their eco-conscience

[@honesty_-no9he]

Shut up !!

[@Brian-om2hh]

Have you seen the cost of train fares? Lake District (where I am) to Cornwall, over £200 one way!!!! I know for a fact I could do that in my Kia EV for no more than £30....

[@joeysmith5315]

It’s a bloody good idea but and this is probably why I haven’t gone electric is because of the batteries and what happens them once there worn out and aren’t a efficient as they once one when new!

[@SimonEllwood]

Then the car and batteries will be recycled into a new car a batteries.

[@joeysmith5315]

Which in turns needs energy which if you’re in the UK costs a bomb and that cost has to be passed on too the consumers!

[@SimonEllwood]

@@joeysmith5315 The energy costs a lot at the moment due to the world price for natural gas. This should not be an issue when the cars will need recycling many years from now. Your comments seem more like I'll informed rants that are disconnected from reality. Stop spreading FUD.

[@joeysmith5315]

@@SimonEllwood so you assume that the price of energy in general is going to go down? Clearly you are delusional and haven’t even see the findings of Volvos report of the xc40 and the electric counterpart 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@SimonEllwood]

Renewable energy is now much cheaper than fossil fuels this is a fact. The latest wind turbines are much cheaper than the previous generation (per kWH) and also can work effectively with lower wind speeds.

[@ashhammond]

Seems great but, how does it work when your car has a large trailer attached, such as a caravan? Those space dont look big enough. Also will give some caravan owners the shakes at the thought of having to reverse into them.

[@Delta_Sierra]

left hand side when you come in is design for HGV charging, so trailers can go there

[@FranzTraininand]

Doo you think we could see EV friendly caravans that have a layer of batteries on the bottom of them, which could add as like a portable ranger booster?

[@IanBennetts]

@@FranzTraininand that would make the caravan rather heavy and difficult to control at speed.

[@FranzTraininand]

@@IanBennetts it is an idea that could be possible in future, with a redesign of caravans as we know them. You can safely tow 3.5t trailers at speed, so I am sure the caravan companies could find a solution if they tried

[@BubbaSmurft]

Wait for a spot at the end so you can leave the trailer sticking out OR learn do drive with a trailer OR take up two spots OR.... C'mon, use that lump between yer ears.

[@pinind2]

Again I'm asking how much it costs to charge there? Lol all looks good and clean but if the cost is high it's still pricing the majority of drivers out. Q

[@markhagger7939]

I live close by - the price is usually around 7 to 9 p over a typical domestic tariff so really decently priced given the service provided.

[@Neojhun]

No one really knows in the near future. It's going to fluctuate as the ecosystem and legislation is built out. Your asking for an answer to a moving a target.

[@pinind2]

@@Neojhun that sounds like it's even more fun yet more vague!

[@Brian-om2hh]

30p per kw. So if your car needed a good top up - say 40kw - it'd cost £12..... And if your car did 3.5 miles per kw, that would get you 140 miles. A diesel car (with diesel now at £6.50+ per gallon) would need to do over 70mpg on the motorway to match that... Most of the time though, EV owners charge at home. Sites such these are primarily to make longer trips easier in electric vehicles.... Charging at home would still only cost around a third of the Gridserve rate, even after the current rise in the cost of energy.

[@colin_a]

Your common sense tells you that this is just not going to work. It can't scale. Imagine how many cars currently go thru a fuel station on the M25 in just one hour, Do people honestly have 30-60mins to sit there and charge their vehicle. Surely we are looking for a solution that is a step forward, not backward..

[@tinaalwayswins]

Can we please go back in time. It was just better

[@Vanguardkl]

Oh gawd Costa and WhSmith are literally everywhere. Pret a manger.. m&s Saintbury .. the UK is just full of these things everywhere. So boring. That's why I'm from malaysia and enjoy life here vs living in the UK

[@jammiedodger7040]

Need a max between electric charges and hydrogen stations

[@Brian-om2hh]

Hydrogen would require transporting to the filling points - creating pollution - electricity does not......

[@dashcam2417]

All the fast charging of EV batteries will greatly reduce the service life battery pack ??

[@danam0228]

Some of them, yes

[@Neojhun]

LOL No, because most people use them Rarely. Level 2 Slow charging vast majority of the time will keep the batteries healthy for 15 years plus. It's Industrial and Commercial Vehicles which ONLY vast majority charge on Level 3 DC Fast charge which get degradation. But even in those cases there is methods to reduce the damage like stopping at 85%. For vast majority of vehicles it will have Negligible effect on service life.

[@dashcam2417]

@Neojhun if fast charging is rarely used,, why build charging stations like this .

[@Brian-om2hh]

Which is probably why most EV owners charge at home through the night on cheaper rate electricity. Mr Average in the UK will only use motorway (or similar) rapid charging 5 to 10 times at most, per year..... Charging at home 95% of the time is the norm.

[@drone_tours]

People think EVs are green then look at lithium mines and how its refined

[@aiden9144]

People think planting trees is green then look at the steel mines and how shovels are made.

[@timsyoutubechannel9798]

No we don't think our EVs are green. They're cars and they need energy and resources to manufacture and run them. However, they are less environmentally damaging than ICE vehicles. It's also worth pointing out these batteries currently are the same tech as in your smartphone and laptop etc. In any case they're Lithium Ion batteries not Lithium and Cobalt is the troublesome element at the moment. The better battery management means EV batteries last longer and more thought has gone into recycling - see Redwood for example. It's also early days yet and battery tech is very likely to be unrecognizable in a decade's time.

[@SusieSmart]

But the fact that from just the top 3 oils spills alone over 191 billion litres of oil has been released into the ocean is to be just glossed over?

[@drone_tours]

@@SusieSmart changed the subject

[@SusieSmart]

@@drone_tours the words kettle, pot and black comes to mind for some reason 🤷‍♂️

[@vladmihai306]

don't know what she presented, but she's very cute

[@tonyboswell5414]

So……. How much does it cost ?? It’s really strange on all these videos cost is NEVER mentioned

[@Neojhun]

No one really knows, it keeps developing and the price could change either way cheap or expensive.

[@Muppetkeeper]

@@Neojhun 30p per kWh.

[@DeeLTFL]

If this makes it way to USA, these could be so great! I would consider getting an EV if there was access that was this simple and easy.

[@nujjigram]

No you wouldn't. Gasoline is just way more convenient

[@DeeLTFL]

@@nujjigram First off, you don't know my budget or desire for an EV, so don't assume you know me. The current selection of vehicles has more to do with it.. I need a larger vehicle for my larger family. There is now still only a very tiny number of EVs that can handle a larger family. Secondly, gasoline is currently very convenient, but thats because it is so prevalent. In order to make road trips easier for EVs, something this would be incredible. Most charging places around me are uncovered and not as easy to use.

[@nujjigram]

@@DeeLTFL like i said.. gasoline is just way more convenient Irrespective of your desires, it's just a simple fact. 5 minutes to fill gas in easy to buy low cost vehicle is hard to let go ott

[@Scottish_Transport_Explorer]

@@nujjigram But one day we WELL run out of Gasoline and when we well have to use EV’s Believe it or not it will happen don’t know when but we well run out of gasoline

[@nujjigram]

@@Scottish_Transport_Explorer all of what you said is true...and more Doesn't change the fact that gasoline is more convenient while on the highway. Other than that, gasoline is pointless

[@gentlestorm]

I like how in 10 years we will probably look back to this "350kw? cute" While charging our car in 1 minute at 1000kw or something.

[@SilverfoxJB]

Meh, in 10 years the Government will decide Electric is dirty and make us sell them for the next bullshit idea.

[@malph9216]

Dream on!

[@Theekylesmith178]

I’m still not sold. 🤨

[@honesty_-no9he]

Fine. Then buy a donkey.

[@mattprice8246]

Surely producing green hydrogen on the forecourt would cost less 🤔

[@Muppetkeeper]

hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahhaa. Green hydrogen takes 2 kWH of electricity for each 1kWh of hydrogen, and then there are losses turning the hydrogen back to electricity for the car. Total round trip efficiency, 38%.

[@mattprice8246]

@@Muppetkeeper still better than petrol ⛽ 🤷

[@Ben.Royals]

@@mattprice8246 But not better than just using electricity, continuously developing battery tech will bring better efficiency and faster charge times. Also all these people who keep saying hydrogen is the future better start putting their money where their mouth is as 190,000 EVs where sold last year compared to 14 hydrogen vehicles. Many manufacturers have pulled their Hydrogen R&D as nobody is buying them.

[@MrHugawa]

great concept but it must have cost a pretty penny, especially with all those batteries for storing power. Plus the eyes on her are amazing :)

[@JackFromMorley]

Only thing I don't understand about this facility is why they stuck with a traditional filling station layout, surely you could use the same space more effectively with diagonal bays instead? Is it that it can only support so many chargers simultaneously anyway so they might as well or something?

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

It's to swap the mentality of parking up for 40mins in a car parking space, towards a drive in, top up, drive out future (like ICE today)

[@JackFromMorley]

@@aaaa-ig6sc that makes sense, guess maybe someday in the distant future when people are used to it and demand has increased they can always switch the layout

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@JackFromMorley well we have EV6 today that does 10-80% in under 20 mins, so five mins adds a decent amount already. Unfortunately not everyone drives them or e-tron GTs 😂 but it won't be long till we see actual cars that make use of the 350kW currently the EV6 peaks at 220kW

[@Brian-om2hh]

It can support *all* the chargers simultaneously, and has the capability to be expanded with more chargers, should it become necessary......

[@tumbleweed16]

Just up the road from me lol 😂

[@soloperformer5598]

What with all the solar farms and the massive need for new houses to house the immigrant invasion there won't be much green space left in the UK.

[@Ben.Royals]

Good thing about solar panels is they can be added to farm land while the livestock still use the land and eating the grass. Population in the UK is growing as is the population of the earth, migrants aren't as big of a problem as you make out, papers just like blaming them as unlike the people actually causing the housing crisis they dont have the money and resources to defend themselves.

[@Terminxman]

The energy must be produced somewhere regardless of if it’s your car’s engine, a coal plant, etc. do you think the current grid anywhere could support this? No

[@mikadavies660]

That's it Beardedcap keep going with "we can't do it" attitude. We used to be Great Britain, when we used to say "we can & we will do it"

[@maxwellbald5016]

That's a valid concern, which I think Gridserve takes into consideration well with their on-site solar generation and significant battery storage. It also gives them flexibility to buy cheap off-peak power, store that in the batteries to sell during peak hours at their charging stations. I think that's a critical part of their business model and more installations like will help reduce the demand electric vehicle will place on the grid.

[@vroom6591]

The grid is already at near braking point and IV seen talk about limiting when you could charge !

[@timsyoutubechannel9798]

@@vroom6591 It's complicated. Much of our grid is old and designed to support a few large centralised generation sources - mostly coal-fired power stations with CCGTs (Combined Cycle Gas Turbines). Increasingly, we need something different, something more like a network of micro-grids supporting a large number of small distributed sources of generation like solar and wind. Unfortunately, this is the downside of deregulation and allowing utilities to focus on short term profits because this reinvestment hasn't happened. By charging at times when there is excess power EVs can help, plus owners get really cheap electricity.

[@vroom6591]

@@timsyoutubechannel9798 problem is millions of people can't charge at home they have no off road parking ! Mass scale EV cars isn't the future .

[@aakeister]

So, no subtitles for option the deaf? Shame on you 5th gear

[@cedriccottage2070]

Renewables vs coal and gas. Sounds hopeful as the nonrenevable nuke is gone altogether? Time to celebrate then! Good video, and there has been at least few over the recent months. Seems like 5th gear is really improving. Applause for that!

[@VSS1]

Not impressed by the presenter, doesn't seem to have an interest or knowledge in the subject.

[@YemaneGebremicheal]

❤

[@zero_pc_6234]

Ha can't wait for this to fail EV is a joke I will happily be chugging along my full petrol car while laughing at ev owners when shit hits those complex EV systems in the car :)

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

What about in ten years or twenty ahead when you're low on fuel and trying to find somewhere still selling it at £5 a litre, or your ICE fails and there's no parts in production and you're searching scrapyards. The EV system is far simpler than what's required in an ICE vehicle, a lot less to go wrong, maintenance is basically replacing tyres when needed

[@ESHIELDS]

@ZERO_PC_ Narrow minded Neanderthal

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

just don't hold your breath on that prediction,

[@ESHIELDS]

@@rtfazeberdee3519 which prediction?

[@vroom6591]

So what happens if you are stuck on a motorway in winter for Hours due to the road being blocked , how can you heat the car ! What happens if battery runs out of charge when going on a journey due to having to divert ? Can't just simply go fill a can up of power ! Electric cars are great for city driving but not for long distance !

[@malph9216]

How are those huge back up batteries charged?

[@Neojhun]

The Grid with a large proportion of Renewables. Still way cleaner than a Piston Engine even if a proportion of Fossil Fuels is used.

[@Ben.Royals]

They store power from the grid which the forecourt offsets with the solar panels onsite as well as a large offsite location of solar panels which all feed back into the grid.

[@davidheaney9249]

@@Neojhun 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@timrothwell33]

Watch the video. It tells you

[@Brian-om2hh]

Gridserves solar farm and the solar on the roof charges the 6mw storage battery, plus the site is connected to the mains anyway. The Braintree site has the storage capacity to provide around 20,000 miles of electric motoring, even in the event of a total power outage......

[@brianknowles1727]

Do you really think people get electric vehicle's to save the environment .

[@Brian-om2hh]

I'll be honest I didn't. Any environmental benefits are purely incidental as far as I'm concerned. No, I decided to get mine simply because it's so ****ing cheap to run. I was forking out around £150+ a month for petrol before I switched to an EV. Now it's less than £40 per month, and I no longer need to drive to a petrol station to fill up. I do it while it's parked on my drive at night. It's the best time to charge, as it's cheaper, plus you won't need your car while you sleep.

[@poached_egg_on_cars]

This place is just round the corner from me (and i ran out of talent on a roundabout about half a mile up the road from here), and ive always wondered what it was like inside. Mind you, I wont be getting rid of my 90s Decatted shitbox anytime soon ;)

[@Andrew-zv4fm]

We are at 20 minutes now. How about 3 minutes?

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

I was going to say EV6 can already do 10-80% in under 20mins. 3 minutes sounds a good target

[@Andrew-zv4fm]

@@aaaa-ig6sc 3 minutes is time it takes to pump gas or diesel in a tank that is empty or close to empty to full.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@Andrew-zv4fm indeed that's the target for 10-80% rapid charge. The closer it can be brought down towards that means that everyone who's driving ICE could go EV without impact to waiting times. Plus with those home charging fewer should be queuing. We need existing forecourts putting in these 350kW today where possible.

[@Andrew-zv4fm]

@@aaaa-ig6sc ideally having it down to 3 minutes would help just about everyone who wants one and that is how it should be, who wants one. The future of the car be that it is electric, gas, or whatever should not be dictated by the government, but by the consumer.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@Andrew-zv4fm the government don't have the interests of common people regardless of party. 🤣 Don't buy an EV to be green (although that's a good thing not breathing in fumes) buy it to save money 😉 the gov will want road tax in future to plug the hole so expect pay per miles based on mot mileage or a standard rate regardless once enough have switched

[@jonstoney8398]

I will buy an electronic car but only when infrastructure like this is widely available. The cars are ready the infrastructure isn’t. Rapid rolll out to every town of Charing hubs must be a government priority.

[@Brian-om2hh]

So, with three times as many public charging connections as there are petrol stations already John, you say the infrastructure isn't ready? You obviously haven't taken into account the fact most UK EV owners charge at home. That was probably a major factor in their decision to get an EV in the first instance..... Oh, and there are a further 30,000 new public charging connections being installed this year alone, taking the toal to over 50,000. That number is set to rise further, to 190,000 by 2030.

[@Joshmsu45]

Have to unsubscribe. The obsession with mobility appliances instead of cars has become incredibly annoying.

[@maksymiliankasprzyk8655]

4:43 may I ask for the source? Everywhere I look, gas on its own is the main source of UK electricity and has been for several years.

[@SimonEllwood]

@@maksymiliankasprzyk8655 Fossil Fuels are less than half of UK Electric since 2020. Renewables are still growing very fast so natural gas will be less and less going forward.

[@maksymiliankasprzyk8655]

@@SimonEllwood no. according to the latest official data gas generates 42%, renewables 38%, nuclear 17%. This is what I question, where did this data came from? I agree renewables will take over eventually, but hasnt as yet and I have not found a single study that would say so. www.gov.uk/government/statistics/energy-trends-and-prices-statistical-release-27-january-2022

[@SimonEllwood]

@@maksymiliankasprzyk8655 You do not need a study to know that Wind, Solar and Nuclear are all adding capacity especially Offshore Wind. When they are completed fossil fuels will be massively reduced.

[@SimonEllwood]

@@maksymiliankasprzyk8655 In February 2020 there was 8,113 MW in offshore wind capacity in the UK, with a further 10,579 MW under construction or proposed to be built by 2025.

[@robertlincoln7312]

By using common sense, we know that EV's will not last long. It's just the stupidity and corruption of Governments that is keeping this craze going.

[@SusieSmart]

Out of curiosity, why won’t they last long?

[@JTM610]

"By using common sense" Is there a more stupid way to say "I have no arguments"?

[@rayc1503]

@@SusieSmart The average life expectancy of Ev batteries are anywhere between 8-15 years. The cost to replace these batteries are phenomenally high. So it's a killer to the used car market. You could potentially be purchasing a used vehicle which has a near end of life battery.

[@SusieSmart]

@@rayc1503 well that’s not quite true. Yes early Nissan LEAF’s suffer from quite bad degradation but nearly every other EV with far more sophisticated battery and thermal management systems take care of their batteries much better. Here’s a few examples: a Tesla Model S taxi in Finland has done 250,000 miles on its original battery (so far) and it’s only lost 7% of its capacity. Go Green Auto’s have just recently done a video on a Hyundai IONIQ with >92,000 miles on it and the battery state of health is 100%. I know a couple of BMW i3 owners who’ve done over 100,000 miles in their vehicles and have noticed zero degradation since the cars were new. Both of these cars are the early 60Ah models so compared to the newer 120Ah cars their batteries will have had to go through many more cycles to cover that 100,000+ miles. BYD’s Blade battery is rated for 3,000 cycles, so basically it won’t reach 80% of it original capacity until after around 750,000 miles. The batteries in the i3 have been shown to be able to retain 80% of their charge after 4,600 cycles, which based on a real world range of ~150 - 160 miles means they won’t reach 80% until ~690,000 to 730,000 miles have been covered. Of course with all of these batteries, they aren’t dead when they reach 80%. In the case of a vehicle with a 250 mile range, that would drop to 200 miles and in the case of the i3 about 125 miles. If that’s still enough for the owner then they can continue to use the vehicle without having to replace the battery. So based on these figure the batteries will last way beyond 8-15 years. I mean Lexus offer a 10 year / 625,000 mile warranty on the battery in the UX 300e, if that doesn’t tell you how confident they are then I don’t know what will. With regards to replacement costs, Robert Llewelyn (of Red Dwarf and now Fully Charged fame) has just had the battery in his 2011 24kWh Nissan LEAF replaced with one from a 40kWh LEAF for £4,000. It’s almost doubled the range of the car and even after taking into account the battery replacement and the minimal servicing costs over the cars 10 year life, he’s still averaging around 6-7p per mile.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@rayc1503 please don't spam this nonsense. Manufacturers guarantee under warranty that the battery has 70% minimum after eight years or they'll replace. The whole batteries degradation in a few years was well over a decade ago

[@vroom6591]

How are people who don't have off road parking going to charge ? How will people towing caravans or trailers charge at charge points like at garages , there won't be the Room with them parked up for ages charging . Towing will greatly reduce battery charge as well !

[@Neojhun]

Places like this.

[@vroom6591]

@@Neojhun how are you going to get there if have hardly any battery power and places like this won't be all around the country

[@Brian-om2hh]

How do people who don't have off road parking fill up with petrol? You could use public charging......

[@vroom6591]

@@Brian-om2hh really 🙄 impractical for the amount of people who don't have parking ! Infrastructure won't cope !

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@vroom6591 Gridserve plan to build 100 of these charging hubs on most major routes in Britain. Other companies are also building them.....

[@rajindernijjer]

You can't even get nowhere near the speeds even if it's slightly cold it's such a con.

[@kevingrimshire7462]

Think batteries are a waste of time and money. Hydrogen is the only way forward.

[@honesty_-no9he]

You are delusional and lack a serious education. Hydrogen is dead. EVs won. It takes a Hydrogen fuel cell car 3 to 5 times the amount of infrastructure energy to drive the same distance as a battery electric vehicle. 50% of the nation can charge an EV at home. ZERO can fuel a hydrogen car at home.

[@kevingrimshire7462]

@@honesty_-no9he Petrol stations can be converted to supply hydrogen. And green hydrogen is the way forward for transport as it matches people's need for a speedy re-fill. I may be delusional but I am not sitting next to some stupid charger for an hour and a half while on a journey - that is assuming the dam thing is working and I am the first in the queue! Batteries are dead already so no need to drag it out.

[@rayc1503]

With the average life of EV batteries ranging from 8-15 years each vehicle won't have a massive shelf life. I doubt the distribution network will be able to cope the the massive demand of vehicles charging. Unless they incorporate grid limits. Which ramp up and down in sync with demand. These are age old cables underground and incoming into properties. With the increasing price of electricity, it seems like a bad move.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

Only batteries don't just die at 8 years that's an old idea that's stuck around from people blindly repeating it. Manufacturers guarantee under warranty that after 7/8 years you'll have a MIN of 70% battery remaining. What we are seeing is most are 85%+ at the eight year stage, and good for another decade. We're in 2022 now not 2012.

[@SusieSmart]

See my reply to the other comment. Batteries will likely outlast the rest of the car.

[@rayc1503]

@@aaaa-ig6sc I'll stick with my Volvo XC90 T8 hybrid for now. Full on EV's are getting nowhere near the recommended range. The UK climate means the heaters will be used more often than not. I took my brothers Testla to the south of France, I wasn't impressed 😕🤔.

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@rayc1503 we've had the same with ICE vehicles since the beginning of time with their mpg claims under specific test conditions like flat roads, minimal resistance, no weather conditions, constant speed to achieve them. In the real world much lower just like the WLTP on EVs take them with a pinch of salt

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

@@24k__J not sure of the relevance of this statement to what the OP said. Well done on reading documentation I guess 🤷😂

[@sandig2969]

I love this idea and it's a great way to help electric vehicles... 1 concern we have is that solar panels are a dead science in the long term since we as a world we still don't have an infrastructure to deal with the poisonous waste once it's broken down unless the technology goes much greener and can be recycled better 🙂 great concept though.

[@danam0228]

Yeah, especially when you consider that solar panels do not last very long

[@Neojhun]

LOL Silly nonsense. You realize Ink Jet printed Solar PV is vastly different to the Solid Disc Cells from 20 years ago. "solar panels are a dead science" is outdated propaganda. Things have vastly change to entirely different materials.

[@sandig2969]

@@Neojhun Yes I do realise that and that's great but they are more expensive and only being implemented recently, there are millions of older style panels still out there and are going to be around for a while yet... and let's not forget the cheaper chinese panels people are still buying...

[@Muppetkeeper]

Solar panels last 40 years, and then the main ingredients are metal and refined sand. How poisonous do you think that they are. Companies are already recycling them.

[@Muppetkeeper]

@@danam0228 Solar panels last 40 years, or about 10 times longer than you went to school it seems.

[@nigelpayne4641]

Still no match for ice and petrol station

[@malph9216]

Agreed. ICE, 0 - 100% in 5 minutes to refuel every time and 400 miles+ on that one refuel.

[@Neojhun]

Sure but with a 250 mile plus BEVs. Vast majority of the time Charging takes 30 SECONDS of your time. Vast majority of charging is done on Level 2 for many hours. While you are busy doing something else. You only need to wait for the charger when you drive more than 200 miles.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@malph9216 Not in just a few years it won't. Shell have already stated they plan to cut production of petrol and diesel by 40% on the lead up to 2030. Details are in their latest business report......

[@Mew-ip3iy]

This place lacks vending machines, what a pity.

[@SunnyKim_]

So ya all only do EV videos now? Is that an EU mandate lol... RIP

[@aaaa-ig6sc]

Yeah the series is Fifth Gear Recharged it's dedicated to EV, welcome to 2022 not the Fifth Gear from 2002..

[@Sajuuk9]

EV's are only nice and cheap when you can charge at home... you are a fool to think someone is going to charge his/her car at these kind of premium price stations.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Gridserve were only charging 24p per kWh - thats not expensive

[@Neojhun]

You have no choice, it's only for Long Distance driving. You are paying for a specialized service, not the main method of charging.

[@mandismith89]

now to just bring down the cost because 69p kwh makes it more expensive than a fuel car