Pug Nose Down (S&W 327 Cylinder Erosion)!

Had a little set back with my S&W 327 2" exhibiting some cylinder erosion.
To read more on cylinder erosion check this site:
www.all4shooter...
S&W say: “Hi, the reason why we recommend you don't shoot .357 magnums under 120 grain in that gun is because the quick burning powder that is associated with the lighter grain bullets presents the possibility of eroding the face of the titanium cylinder. This only applies to the .357 magnum round, below 120 grain is fine for the .38 special”.
A reminder: READ YOUR MANUAL that came with your gun, no matter how mundane it may be!
Stay Safe and Check 360 Often!

[@TheYankeeMarshal]

You were shooting Buffalo Bore in a previous video. They will tell you themselves to never shoot their loads in titanium cylinders or alloy framed guns.

[@scottelly2]

They're idiots then.

[@alexisvilla8403]

Yankee so what or where do i have to look for this to never happen to me?

[@C4RL1NN]

What do you mean “where do I have to look?”… just don’t buy higher pressure rounds that specifically state that they are not to be used on lighter alloy pistols.

[@TruthHurtzandHealz]

@@C4RL1NN That was a douchy response. Lol. The guy just asked a simple question. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

[@tysauce1986]

This is false. I have email correspondence from the POS owner himself who claims it would take thousands of rounds to erode the Ti Cylon my 340pd. According to him, because it will take thousands of rounds I must be more of a man than him. He also called me entitled. And swears I was not raised by a "strong" father. And finally told me to fuck off. I shot 15 rounds through my 340pd and had tremendous damage. I will never ever buy buffalo bore ever again, nor will I advocate anyone else buy it. What a fuckin asshole.

[@timothysmith2101]

Interesting statistic regarding customer service: Customers who have an issue, and are handled with care and respect by the company, have a higher rate of satisfaction than consumers who never had an issue. Plus, they are more likely to do repeat business. Moral - Good customer service is worth its weight in gold. I'm glad S&W took care of you. I've always been a bit leery of these titanium cylinders. Please post an update after more firing. Hopefully, this is a one time thing.

[@cannonball666]

I've worked a lot with titanium metal and I can tell you although it can be as strong as steel it is not as hard (abrasion resistant) as hardened steel. Erosion and abrasion is much easier with Ti.

[@s0nspark-public]

For a carry gun, I like to have two or three on hand, set up identically. I verify reliability in them and then set one aside to carry, one to train with and - if I can afford it - one as a spare.

[@TheOl1911]

***** that's ideal for sure. I know of one "SWAT" team that get issued 2 identical custom built 1911s just for this purpose. If one goes down they have an identical to carry. Seamless transition.

[@gabbyhayes1568]

I'd call that overkill unless you're in a high risk dangerous job.

[@johnyoungs7453]

s0nspark: Exactly...!! I have three HK Mark 23's - one to carry, one for a backup in my safe, and one, well, I guess because I love the gun..!! They're all carrying the Surefire X-400/U, 1,000-lumen white weapon light with the green aiming laser, a17-round .45ACP magazine (& spare) and custom Tritium night sights installed. Cheers..!! - J

[@precisionmarksman5084]

Yes, I already read that particular article, and after reading, I sent my 327 pugnose to S&W. First off this gun was bought new but had a crack in the front barrel shroud by the dove tail front sight. The sight fell out, that's how I discovered the crack. Also asked for them to change the cylinder to a 627 stainless one. Waiting for it now.

[@Greg90731]

What is the difference in weight between the 2 cylinder types?

[@TheOl1911]

precisionmarksman Thanks for the comment. 2 other guys sent me msg's saying they bought their 327 and one guy had a loose barrel shroud after the first range session and the other guy said his cylinder would stick and could not open 1/2 the time so he had to send it back. I actually wanted to change the front sight out but S&W told me they have not created any front sight for the 327 2". And there is nothing out there for it either. It was suggested I use laser grips!? I feel like if I have to change to a SS cylinder then S&W should owe me some money back! The reason I purchased this wheelie was specifically for the Ti properties. Let me know how it goes. I saw a used 327 2" last year at Cabela's that had an unfluted SS cylinder installed. Now I know why....

[@TheOl1911]

Greg90731 I've been told its not too bad but I bought this specifically for the Ti properties. If I have to move to a SS cylinder I feel like S&W should refund some of my money.

[@snapsprovolone1509]

It's my opinion that s&w makes inferior products. They look pretty but aren't made very well. Their Performance center products are lipstick on a pig. Stick w Ruger for revolvers. Made much better imho.

[@pelonchingon9858]

Welcome back! You've become my favorite channel because of our similar interest in firearms and your honest takes.

[@TheOl1911]

Pelon Chingon thanks for the kind words!

[@caddilacjim]

Wow good on Smith for fixing it no questions asked,and great point on having a back up gun if your main carry gun goes down.Great video.

[@TheOl1911]

caddilacjim yeah I was happy with the service and hopefully no more issues, LOL. thanks as always!

[@CWB1863]

Glad you received a new cylinder from S&W, they have really good customer service.Funny you mention the Fed Ex deal, my wife's co-worker had to send his Glock back for repairs.They sent the same packing slip, but when he went to the Fex Ex facility they said they weren't sure if they could ship firearms, yet clearly he had the return slip.After three employees and a manager making sure the firearm was secure, which was demonstrated prior by the owner... they allowed it to go out.Two of the employees stood back wide eyed with their arms crossed.He said they were very nervous and wanted nothing to do with the process.The whole ordeal took about 25 mins.Honestly i wish i was there.Haha!

[@TheOl1911]

CWB1863 Yeah I am always impressed with their warranty service. It seems pretty consistent. However I've sent a many revolver back to them throughout these years so... I live near an actual FedEx Hub which is huge. I talked to a different rep there and he was telling me they have a section for S&W that is secured. It appears they are the hub for S&W shipments as he said there is a specific truck that leaves from their location for S&W everyday. But if you were to go to a stand alone FedEx shipping center I do not think they will ship firearms. I asked once and they told me I have to go to the actual Hub. But its funny how people get so nervous as if its a ticking bomb!

[@CWB1863]

Yup, it's just the ignorance and uneducated people in our society.Off topic a bit, my best friends wife who is anti gun knows i carry a firearm.Mind you, we get along really well despite her being a so far left it's not even funny.That aside, she forbids i carry a firearm in her house which i respect completely.No issues with that at all, it's her house.I asked her one day in a general discussion.If i was a Police officer would it bother her if i carried a gun around, she said it wouldn't, it's part of their job.I responded... isn't part of my job to protect myself, my family and possibly you someday, god forbid some thing happens? I also mentioned to her, you've know me for 8 years, i'm responsible, we get along, our kids are friends etc.Why are you afraid of me carrying? Needless to say, she had no explanation and stopped the conversation and said "i just don't like guns".Yet, my buddy has two rifles he received from when his Father passed away in his closet.Oh and an AR15 he bought which she doesn't know about, that's another story altogether.Anyway, i tried to have a civil discussion and didn't get anywhere.A little rant, but i thought you'd appreciate it.

[@mikepavuk763]

Thank You for posting the video and the link to cylinder erosion, I carefully examined my revolver to see if I did any damage and I lucked out, I guess because I have been using 38 specials 158 grain to train. I do appreciate the heads up and good luck in the future,Mike

[@MidwayShooter]

Welcome back friend . Glad to hear smith and wesson took good care of you. Thanks for sharing your Wheel guns👍

[@TheOl1911]

***** thanks my friend as always!!!!

[@11xr1east]

+TheOl1911 ok let's take this further. i want to see the actual destruction power of this gun. do a video shooting gel test.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Sparking and blue haze denotes titanium cylinder erosion. The titanium has a finish applied. The finish is removed by lighter weight bullets at higher velocities.

[@C8Z51Scott]

I had trouble with S&W. I had to send an MP10 twice to them, I had a armorer look at it and they found that they put an AR 15 buffer and spring for an AR10. Their customer service was not that great for me. They actually forgot to send it to me and then they lost my iron site attached. They did not repair the outside of the firearm where the brass hit it and wore it down. GL.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

I have a model 329PD and switched out the titanium cylinder it came with for a S&W model 629 stainless steel cylinder. More durable and no sparking and blue haze with stainless steel. I use the spare titanium cylinder to hold pens and pencils upright. Just a little heavier.

[@tmaddrummer]

Bummer.... I recently got a 986, and after watching your Pug saga, I hope the 9mm won't be as bad for me as the .357 was for you. After watching this, I think I'll be changing my plans to obtain a 327 and I'm probably going back in the hunt for ??? I really like revolvers.... Your videos are very thorough and well explained. Thanks and Blessings!

[@MrRoberthafetz]

I have a Taurus 617 Titanium purchased used with the same erosion. I sent it back to Taurus and they replaced the cylinder no charge but after 8 weeks. Its like a little 327 a 19 ounce 7 shot. Fits in a K frame holster and compares in size to a S&W model 66. Its a hair smaller. It may be an alternative to the higher priced 327. Worth a look if you can find one they stopped making them and now come only in steel.

[@precisionmarksman5084]

About 1/3 more, the revolver will still retain most of the light weight, but with the ability to shoot all loads, and clean cylinder properly when I use lead ammo

[@TheOl1911]

precisionmarksman Someone sent me a pic of their 327 with a blackened (I'd assume its the M&P R8's) SS cylinder installed. It looked cool. But I feel like if I have to go this route shouldn't S&W refund me some money, LOL. I purchased this specifically for the Ti properties.

[@augestwest1759]

On my S&W Air-weight I bought Houge grips {about 25 dollars at the time} for a larger grip when carrying on my hip but used the original when on my ankle. When I put the Houge's on it was like night and day. Much better feel and target hits at 10 yards. With the Houge I was able to get all three fingers around the grip unlike the come with grips. I have been looking at this revolver but after seeing a lot of Chamber erosion problems I am not 100% sure I want to get any revolver where the chamber melts away. There have been some talk of chamber failures.

[@Greg90731]

Wow! What a bummer! My heart sank when I saw the title of your video as I just paid for a 327 2 days ago and waiting to pick it up next Monday (California 10-day waiting rule to buy a gun). I am glad S&W handled it well though but I will keep an eye out for that issue. The idea of putting a 627 cylinder suggested by another viewer is not a bad one but I wonder if this would not add too much weight to it. I have a 627 PC too and it is heavy. I love it but I could see how carrying it all day would be potentially too much.

[@TheOl1911]

Greg90731 I know...it sucked but 11 business days to get it back is not bad at all. BUT why did it happen? I never used any mags less than 120gr nor did I use any harsh cleaning on the cylinder so... I would highly suggest if you want to shoot magnums out of the 327 that you seek out the Gold Dot Short Barrel 135gr stuff. I've already put a handful through it since getting it back and no issues. Also its just much more practical. Recoil is manageable. The 135gr Critical Duty is punchy and I still see some sparks flying. The 125gr Critical Duty I think I might stay away from as a ton of sparks are generated with that round and its punchy. I'm going to experiment with the 130gr Hydra-Shok magnum to see how those work. So... I mean I bought this specifically for the Ti properties so changing to a SS cylinder I feel like S&W should owe me some money back you know? 627 PC is an awesome wheelie but its too heavy for daily carry. Occasional carry OK but I'm looking for something I will have on me for the majority of the time and the 327 fits the bill. Someone sent me a pic of the 327 with a blackened SS cylinder and it actually looked cool.

[@UrbanArmed]

Glad to see you back bro! I dig the grips, and for 35 bones you can't go wrong. Great customer service story there.

[@TheOl1911]

UrbanArmed thanks my friend! Well...I think I got what I paid for LOL. The grips seem to have trouble staying put under recoil now.

[@bprice1892]

Great to have you back.

[@fordxbgtfalcon]

Even though the grips don't fit it doesn't look bad at all, and sorry to hear about the erosion.... Always devastating to have a gun go bad...

[@TheOl1911]

fordxbgtfalcon it does suck but I'm gonna shoot it like I mean it, LOL. Granted I'm going to focus on shooting 135gr Short Barrel 357mag vs the 125gr mags but I'm not gonna baby it. Just glad to have it back in a reasonable amount of time!

[@D5quared91]

The grips look great, you got a STEAL on them!!! Glad to hear S&W took good care of you. You've made a great decision to carry the Gold Dot short barrel .357 magnums. Excellent performance without all the violence of the super hot loads!

[@chrissizemore745]

prob.a real steal they did just that lol

[@tonyredhawk]

My personal is that you can expect a patina to build up on the front of the cyl. Don't try to scrape it off. Just clean it and it should not really cause any hang up. (I have 342PD)

[@mr.debusy2457]

Thanks, your videos are never to long, lots of great info

[@retiredin96]

Looks good. As long as it's comfortable.

[@IbanezRG570T]

Glad they took care of you, you always have some of my favorite guns by the way.

[@TheOl1911]

IbanezRG570T LOL - nice!

[@rafaelrivera2538]

Hey love your videos thank you for sharing your experience with the 327. I ordered one a few months ago and finally arrived. They are not easy to get. Will be getting it tomorrow. Love revolvers and prefer them as CCW mains so I think I'm gonna love this one. Thanks again.

[@TheOl1911]

Rafael Rivera thanks for the kind words! Just be aware of what mags you put through it. Let me know what you decide!

[@mikenewlin3421]

Welcome back!! Great information as I am looking at the Gold dot 9MM for my EDC.

[@TheOl1911]

Mike Newlin What kind of pistol you using? Gold Dots and HSTs are great in 9mm

[@gmanbeavis]

Only shoot 158gn. The 357 shoots best at 158gn anyway.

[@robertweissman5911]

Altamont grips. Look at the Altai grip, for example

[@eric19875]

I'm really sorry for it. Hope the new cylinder have no problems.

[@TheOl1911]

ERIC K. we shall see - gonna shoot it like I mean it LOL

[@lawrenceplasek8168]

Regarding the 327 snub, the gun does not respond well to lightweight high velocity bullets. Kinda funny being as that is what 357mag is. The cylinder is titanium. Under heat and pressure titanium flame cuts. I use buffalo bore XPB barnes tactical load, but in a 140gr, not 125gr. No flame cutting. 1150fps from 2.5" pen 21.5, exp .60, vel 1150fps. Not far out of line with your Speer 135gr load, but the barnes has superior performance. The timing issues are not resolvable unless someone builds stronger timing hand parts. The lockup can slip due to heavy recoil. Heavier, slower bullets can control the problem. The titanium cylinder can also be replaced with a stainless cylinder. It does not flame cut and S&W will do this cost free upon request. I believe the SS cylinder does not add to much weight, but the extra weight may also help with lock up problems. I owned one before that had flame cutting resolved through SS cylinder swap. The gun had problems concerning that dumb-ass lock they put on the gun to block the hammer fall. Fixed that myself with a pug kit. I did not have any problems after the fix. Since then, I bought another one, but have left it stock. No problems, so far, using proper heavier ammo. A good gun for what it is, but it simply will come apart under full house loads and people just have to have those flamethrower 125gr 357s. S&W should start looking at going SS and going with parts that can withstand 357mag. And get rid of that idiot lock. I have no problems with my Ruger SP 101 ever. But it's not an 8shot pug. You are right, everyone seems to notice it and it draws a crowd at the range.

[@RobertSoto75]

Just a heads up. I’ve been doing a lot of research since I’m getting one of these myself. Shooting 38 out of this gun is a no no. The length of the bullet is what creates the seal and prevents the corrosion. So 38s are way to short to make that seal.

[@richlabombard6780]

huh?

[@laydback61]

IT'S SNUB NOSE !!!!!!!!!!

[@micheturner9697]

Im glad they took care of you, that is freaking scary. I guess the blue fire was burning titanium.

[@TheOl1911]

miche turner yeah everything is still working out good. Yeah I think that blue hue was!

[@GunsWithGage]

I've seen the same sparkler affect with titanium muzzle devices. Really sucks shooting at night

[@SilvesterHumaj]

Another reason I'll just stick to my Glock. If I ever buy a revolver it will just be for fun, probably Colt Python. Not just because Rick Grimes uses one on the walking dead, it's just one of the best looking revolvers ever!

[@amacro11]

I also had problems with my NIB 640-1 after trying some magsafe ammo 357 with 37 grain it caused the cylinder to lock up and the gunsmith at Pickett Armory in Newberry Florida was able to fix it up, i.e. did not need to send it back to S&W but anyway no more "specialty" ammo for me

[@TheOl1911]

amacro11 thanks for the info. Someone just sent me a msg saying they have a 386PD and admitted to blasting 110gr mags through it and it destroyed the cylinder. He said he was able to get a new Ti cylinder put in....

[@hman630]

Sounds like S&W know they have a problem with the cylinder and would rather replace it when one goes bad than have a recall. After all, most people that buy one don't shoot them much. , so most wont ever know there is a problem. Just my opinion. TNX for the Video. . JKW

[@jdbcool101]

I like my 340 an tote it everyday. don't care to shoot it much. I do really like that 327 though.

[@mikenewlin3421]

I am using a Glock 19. I also picked up a S&W Shield in 40 cal.

[@MattypPhil]

You're 2" 357 Magnum gives you the same ballistics as a 9mm +p but with twice the amount of recoil and blast. I think you should go back to carrying the GoodOl1911!

[@brokenbstring]

I sent my 340pd back to smith about a month ago for the same problem. That was also one of my main carry guns, now im stuck carrying my glock 19. I'm currently looking for something smaller.

[@tranders365]

Had the same experience with Eagle grips. Never again

[@hollywoodprepper8869]

Really enjoy watching your informative videos! The Pug Nose S&W 327 is very interesting, especially the 8 round capacity. I do appreciate the J-Frame size revolvers, but with .357 loads, I think it will be punishing. Back in the early 1990's I sent a 4" S&W K frame to a gunsmith (recommended by Massad Ayoob in Combat Magazine, can't remember who now) and had him convert it to a compact 6 round J-Frame size equivalent. The revolver came back with a bobbed hammer, but the action had a nice trigger staging for an almost single action cocking before firing if wanted. Was wondering who makes that kydex holster you had displayed in the middle. I appreciate the way kydex keeps its shape especially for re-holstering, but can't find anyone that makes kydex holsters for revolvers. Seems like the market is inclined only for the semi-autos. Your videos and my past experience makes me more confident in relying on a revolver for a close encounter (GET OFF ME) defensive situation. I would love to find a source for a custom kydex holster for my J-Frame size K frame. On another note, I recently ordered a S&W (Performance Center) MP R8 5" 8 round .357 revolver with built-in bottom rails for a bedside idiot-proof self-defense response weapon. The history of the design of this weapon is interesting. I believe an SWAT team wanted S&W to design a lighter N-Frame larger capacity .357 for the lead entry officer using the bulletproof shield. To protect and minimize hand/arm exposure the officer will hold his weapon close to the shield. What was happening to the lead officer's semi-auto was the cycling of the slide, it would hit the shield and cause a jam, hence the birth of this entry .357

[@TheOl1911]

+Hollywood Prepper Hey there, thanks for the comment! Now the kydex holster in the middle is made by Garrett Industries (Silent Thunder IWB). www.giholsters.com/silent-thunder-iwb-revolver/ This is an extremely popular question. I know I did a vid on it before. Its a decent IWB kydex holster (with leather lining). Check them out. They also do OWB revolver holsters. I know a buddy of mine that has a Raven Concealment for his 627 Pro Series (well it was mine). I believe that was a special order that took at least 2mo. OHHHHHHH u got the MP R8!!!!! That is my next wheelie my friend! Maybe in April! Yes I actually spoke with a LEO that stated they had tested the MPR8 and used Critical Duty 135gr. The idea was scraped and they went back to the 1911 (Nighthawk GRP Recon). I believe it was originally designed for LAPD but it appears no one is using it in that fashion at this time. Please let me know when you get it!

[@gordonnip7802]

+TheOl1911 I got my S&W M&P R8, took it out to the range, it's a dream to shoot. It felt light for an N Frame (because of the scandium alloy frame), but still enough weight at 36 oz. to make the Hornady Critical Defense .357 - 125 grain feel like .38's just with a little more muzzle flash. The single action is so smooth, the double action is a little heavy (feeling like a 10-12 lb pull). At 30 feet, I was able to keep all shots within the center ring (single action), better than with my Glock 30SF and my Glock 26. Maybe after another 500 rounds it will get smoother. I tried some Crimson Trace laser grips on it. I thought for a bedside defensive gun, a laser would help my groggy eyes until I can focus better on the target. Unfortunately, even with the mild recoil and muzzle lift, it would shift the grips back a 1/32" and then the next sighting with the laser was off about 3+" to the lower right. The crimson trace grips has two mounting screws but there is no positive positioning to the frame so with any recoil or even hand-flexing of the grip, it will shift ever so slightly hence making the laser sights unreliable. Crimson Trace is sending me a new set of grips in exchange and see if they're any better. In the meantime since the S&W M&P R8 has a bottom rail, I mounted a Streamlight TLR-2 HL G (a 700 lumen light with green laser - sweet!!). I know once you get yours, you'll love it and I be happy to read all your reviews.

[@TheOl1911]

+Gordon Nip thanks for the update! This is definitely the next wheelie for me. I've been moving a ton out of my collection and saving. So I will have to get the M&P R8 next. Now is this revolver used in that TV show Walking Dead? Its all people talk about. LOL. Good info on the laser grips. Thanks. And very nice with adding that TLR-2 HL G. Thanks for the comment! Enjoy her!!!!!

[@isaacarnold4635]

+TheOl1911 You will like the M&P R8. I got one right after they came out, I think it was 2005. And, yes, there is an R8 in Walking Dead, the character Maggie carries one. Lead character Rick Grimes carries a Colt Python, it gets lots of attention, too.

[@Sedan57Chevy]

Glad to have you back! Oh, and have I mentioned how awesome you are for carrying that 327?

[@TheOl1911]

Sedan57Chevy LOL - thanks. A handful of people seem to be shocked when I tell them I carry the 327 2" as a primary. I've converted 2 guys so far with getting one and carrying one. Its kinda funny.

[@looseballs1966]

***** The 327 that you carry is a pretty cool gun, but you just discovered why I will never buy another Titanium/scandium revolver, in another comment on 1 of your other vids I said I had a 360pd, well that gun has been back to Smith and Wesson twice for a new cylinder because of the erosion problem, and it started to show it again after not all that many rounds---so my permanent fix was to have a gun smith fit it with a model 60 cylinder, not truely a model 360 anymore I guess but my erosion problems are gone--my guess you could do the same thing using a 627 cylinder if it continues to be an issue-- and would only weigh a couple ounces more---also keep an eye on the gas ring at the front of the crane/cylinder area for flame cutting and the shield on the top strap.

[@sjr9076]

+TheOl1911 I wouldn't think twice on the 327 or even a k frame 357/38 in stainless as a ccw. If I wasn't using full mag loads I would carry BB heavy 38 spl +p 158gr lswchp. Good vid!

[@looseballs1966]

RugerShooter Hey man just saw your post, and big coincidence I just got back from shooting my brand new to me model 19-2 k frame of about 1962-1963 era, got it from my uncle that wanted a 3 inch sp101 I had, let me say that Smith and wesson Is a freakin tack driver, I put just about 130 rounds through it ranging from total wimp 38 loads clear up to my hot handloads through, all in bullets weights from 125-158grains, and loaded with various different powders, and that thing did not shoot a single group larger than what you could cover with a 50 cent piece, at about the 20-25 yard mark and that was firing most all of those rounds at the same bulls eye so about 80 and cover the with just very slight larger than that 50 cent piece, and the only 3 or 4 shots that would not be covered were my fault and I knew it when the trigger broke, some of the shots (about 4 or 5 cylinders worth were double action), then I started just shooting random pop cans at various distances of up to damn near 100 yards and I don't think I missed once, all of hand sitting in a chair though because my back is kinda screwed up right now, but holy crap that smith could very well be the best shooting gun I have ever fired in my nearly 40 years of shooting, not really bragging on me or the gun (but hell I will take it lol), just saying that it is hard to dispute that the older guns in general (smiths especialy)just really outclass the newer stuff as far as hand built care and what it means to the end product, even putting rumors aside about things like the 19's being weak or whatever sure you may not want to feed them tons of the really hot stuff, but who wants to really do that anyhow, but fed moderately loaded or light loaded rounds for the better part of practice and plinking they will last onger than most guys will live, God knows I will NEVER part with my new found beauty. take care my friend.

[@ryotaryuu]

why would it matter if you shot something lower than 125 grains

[@Plus_P_Plus]

135 grain at 1275 is NOT a full house magnum load. Those critical duty rounds are whacky.

[@AverageReviewsYT]

Titanium/Scandinavia cylinders... The gun makers new way to make revolvers more unreliable than even the cheapest of semi autos at triple the cost

[@alexrex20]

that 125gr Critical Defense chewed up my 340PD cylinder also. now i only shoot 140gr+ through it.

[@ripplemeinwater1]

+alexrex20 What I do not understand and I am no ballistic expert. Why is the higher grain round safer than the lower?

[@alexrex20]

Augest West It has entirely to do with the gun. The lighter grain ammo in .357 typically uses a fast burning powder which can flame cut the titanium. So for the sake of not ruining the gun, you're not supposed to shoot less than 125gr ammo

[@ripplemeinwater1]

Thank you...I saw that on the site also...I thought about it and it makes perfect sense...Burnoff. However even at my age..Old,HA.. I want a small or med frame rev. to carry. I think I will stick with full steel until they get this figured out, Hell how long have we had titanium chambers compared to steel? 1500 years or more? I had the S&W Airweight in 38+p but had to sell it and a lot of firearms due to economy problems...I still have all the holsters and want to fill them up again ya know. What really hurt was letting my MINI 14 go...Owch. Thanks again.

[@alexrex20]

Augest West well you can still carry something lightweight with the scandium frame, just pick one with the stainless steel cylinder instead of titanium. for example, instead of a 340PD, choose the 340M&P which is only like 1.5oz heavier. but still lighter than a 442/642 and capable of .357.

[@ripplemeinwater1]

Cool...

[@tracychan1397]

Nice update. I wonder how many other titanium cylinders have had that same problem? I like the grips that you now have on your Smith, makes it look proportional.

[@TheOl1911]

Tracy Chan It appears to be quite a few as a lot of guys sent me emails about their cylinder on their Ti cylinder had also eroded. So it seems to be a common issue however these people admitted they fired less than 120gr mags!? I'm still looking for better grips. These are the size I want but the checkering bites me and sticks to my clothing. Also under recoil they get loose.

[@tracychan1397]

***** Did you ever looking into the Hogue grips I mentioned to you? They are listed at Midway so you can take a look

[@joelwalker34]

Nill grips, Nill grips lol

[@N98858]

Good Report... Liking that that 1911 Holster with the external belt straps! (Brand/Holster Maker?) thanks, M...

[@leerx7015]

you also have the option of installing a stainless steel cylinder on it. That's what I would do....

[@TheOl1911]

Yeah I actually saw one used at a local shop that had a stainless cylinder installed. It looked kinda funny but I bet the previous owner had the same issue and decided on the stainless cylinder.

[@EdUSAF]

Good to see You! Thanks for the info, i'd like to know if You have any problems with the new cylinder! ;)

[@TheOl1911]

***** will do! Let's hope not though!

[@Blackpanthersrevenge]

1200 dollar revolver with 30 dollar grips...like dumping katchup on a 80 dollar stake.

[@inhumanfilth681]

@jonboat2 and potatos

[@warchiefjollicockroach6195]

Very informative review on this pug nose revolver. The gold dot ammo is not available here in the philippines, one of the available ammo i see is Fiocchi 148 grain. Do you think this would not cause cylinder erossion if i use it? Thanks.

[@AdanFx4]

I bought Federal Premium 357 Magnum Vital Shok 140 grain, do you have any experience with that type of ammo?

[@TheCongz]

How did u get all the powder and black off the cylinder. Drives me nuts urs looks fresh from factory

[@kc0lif]

try 140 grain or higher. gotta clean whole gun.

[@Stemp334]

Could you do a video on breaking this down and cleaning it? Juts got one, and want to clean after I shoot

[@scottsmith6571]

Do you have a video on how to clean the titanium pug

[@jerseyjoe1677]

Can you please!!!! Tell me about how many rounds you put through when you noticed erosion. Thank you so much Joe

[@TheOl1911]

this is an oldie. I have to say at this time at least 1200 rounds of 38spl. Now mags I recall I did not have that many through it just yet. I'd have to guess 200 rounds of various mags. It was only after that one range visit after shooting mags was when I noticed the erosion... its been a while so details are fuzzy.

[@jerseyjoe1677]

@@TheOl1911 thank you 😊

[@jonathanross4196]

Man I love your videos and just got into revolvers. Im from central america, Is there a number where I can get in touch with you? I need some advice. Thanks

[@robertrivasarroyo1174]

I hear you need to use bullets with a grain no lower than 120 to prevent cylinder erosion. sounds like the coating on the cylinder was bad.

[@sherlockemery]

You ever have an issue with the titanium shroud around the barrel coming loose? I use a Berns Martin style shoulder holster, not sure if that is the cause.

[@TheOl1911]

sherlockemery no not on this one. A friend of mine had that issue with his then 325TR, the whole barrel shroud came loose and he had to send it back.

[@northcacalacka545]

That has me worried about getting a 1000 dollar revolver. I'm no metal pro, but, I know that titanium is a extremely hard metal. No doubt the finish chipped off because of the deformation. Have you had any more problems with the erosion?

[@martinfernandez882]

but the magnum loads were the correct grain. Why did they cause erosion?

[@brettkos3081]

I'm finding that the vz grips aren't the best for ccw for my revolver 686 plus. I've shopped around for other grips. Got some pretty Altamont combat grips. Do you have any issues with the recoil hitting the webbing of your hand between the thumb and trigger finger? Maybe I'm holding the gun too high?

[@TheOl1911]

Brett Kos I personally do not have any issues with recoil hitting the webbing of my hand...I actually do hold the gun high in my hand as to control it better so...

[@michaelkoncal7622]

Try a Ruger alaskan 2.5" 454 baby!

[@TheOl1911]

+michael koncal My friend has one for our hikes. He actually loads it up with 45 Colt +P. But I've fired 454s out of the thing and its no joke. I recently acquired a 460xvr 3.5" and this thing is no joke either! Ouch! LOL.

[@caesar5555]

Great video! Thanks! Any update on how the new cylinder did? Thanks

[@TheOl1911]

+rapser55 hey there. Yes I did an update vid for 2016.... However something else happened recently and I will make another update vid as soon as I have time. Stay tuned

[@fire1777]

I been looking at the 340 for a while now. They do make a steel cylinder model that weights a couple of ounces more. I think I better get the steel. Have you heard of any forcing cone issues?

[@TheOl1911]

fire1777 Yes I would get the 340 M&P for sure. I have the "PD" version only because it was sorta given to me. If I had my choice I would get the 340 M&P back. I have not heard of any flame cutting issues with the 340 M&P. I don't suspect you will want to feed it a steady diet of 357mag anyway. The only issue I had with the 340 M&P was the cylinder would jump the stop. I looked at others at the shop and there was no way the cylinder could jump the stop so I tried to get S&W to replace it but they would not. So I gave up on it and sold it to an "80's guy", hahahaha. He in turn later sold it. I know a few cops that use the 340 M&P as a back up gun in the pocket and off-duty gun. Check out ***** channel as they just did a vid on it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaq8iayebcaed8k And I had a few vids on it a few years ago...

[@scottelly2]

Pug nose?!? I've never heard of anyone calling a snub nose revolver anything like pug nose. Where did you get that terminology?

[@MarcoFromTropoja]

Literally just picked up a 627 Performance Center today and I am getting ready to send it back to smith tomorrow. Took it out to the range, and it failed to fire half the cylinder. Very light primer strikes. The hammer doesnt seem to hit hard at all. This is the 2nd PC gun by smith that has had issues. Idk wth is going on with them lately.

[@TheOl1911]

matt bridges Interesting as a guy I know who is a bail enforcement guy carries the 627 PC 2.5" and he too had light primer strikes. He sent it back and it took 14 business days total. It works perfectly now. Weird...

[@MarcoFromTropoja]

***** Thanks for responding. That's the exact one I purchased, the 627 2.5" PC. Got it sent off to S&W, so it should be back in a few weeks. At least its something that can easily be fixed. Other than that its a really nice looking gun. It will def be a carry piece once winter comes around.

[@yankeecowboy]

Hey bro have a video going up late tonight on the 327 pug. Thanks for all your help on this. Drop me your info in a email or pm so we can talk shop.

[@WitchdoktahArms]

Help, im having a hard time deciding between the 627 snubby and the TRR8? which is the better collectible. I love to shoot but Im not sure how S&W do their production runs.

[@TheOl1911]

+WitchdoktahArms both are great wheelies. More collectible? I am not sure but it seems like the TRR8 / M&P R8 appears to be the one that I do not see that much of... Both will be great.

[@DJ369-Miami]

Whatever happened to common sense? The gun did not have a warning printed on it that you should not fire HOT 357 rounds out of a non steel cylinder?! Please....

[@baron8107]

Does the normal 327 Snub have a steel cylinder? That would be reassuring.

[@normanmallory2055]

Have you looked into V Z Grips ? They offer wonderful grips that fit like seamless , they are made from G-10 material and machined out using CNC machines .. The offer square butt and round butt both and at this time J,K,L,N frame they offer .... Seems your revolver is build on the N frame.... I was so happy with the first set i ordered a second set for one of my other S&W..

[@franciscafusingan1886]

I just ordered the revolver 327 and wonder about the rusting happening in the cylinder. Will it occur if you clean it immediately after firing?

[@petetracker3472]

Don't think I would try one of those titanium cylinders. I am interested in the holster you have your 1911 in. Can you tell us something about it.

[@TheOl1911]

Pete tracker34 That holster is made by Garrett Industries - vid here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2fLZoarj6yKhdk

[@chrissizemore745]

u need to just giv that 2me now its nogood anymore lol

[@wheelingandgunning9596]

Who the hell calls it a pug nose. Call it what it is... a snub nose

[@MrRoberthafetz]

What do you think about cerakote on the titanium to improve its durability?

[@Ford360CID]

is it a 327 or 357 magnum?

[@Philly1958]

What holsters do you have for your 327? I want one but holster selections are limited.

[@TheOl1911]

gstea1 I have the one it came with which is a flimsy DeSantis holster I do not like at all. Never used it. Simply Rugged which I use as an IWB and works pretty good. Lobo Enhanced Pancake is what I mainly use for it. It conceals pretty good even though its an OWB. But I have another Lobo holster coming to me that is an IWB so I'll be interested to see how that one works out. Kramer Holsters said they can make me a holster for it and Blade Tech also could but not into kydex...

[@andrewhopkins1010]

I'm curious about the holster at the top of the table (the only one without a gun in it.) What kind is it? Clipless IWB?

[@TheOl1911]

Andrew Hopkins that is actually an old Mika Pocket holster made for a j-frame. It was custom made for certain pants I no longer own so it doesn't really fit many pants/shorts I own now. Meaning if I were to use it in the wrong pants/shorts the j-frame and holster will come out at the same time.

[@BR5499a]

Skip to at least 7:00.

[@rikter22]

+BR5499a no

[@C4RL1NN]

Dude why are you talking about the grips for the first 1/4 of the video. No one came here to hear about that, no offense. We clicked on the video because of the title about cylinder erosion. Everyone, 2:29 is where he finally starts speaking on the cylinder erosion issue.

[@propanedaddy5577]

Why do you keep calling it a pug?

[@officer50]

Who made the holster for the Ruger?

[@Grevlain]

Just seems like a really expensive pain in the ass.

[@kevinkanallakan9389]

What holster were you/is he using for the 340PD? Thanks

[@TheOl1911]

It was a Garrett Industries Silent Thunder IWB....

[@20cameron1]

Another reason why the 627 PC is a better choice-despite weight.

[@ripplemeinwater1]

WOW! 1,300 dollars for that? You can blow your hand right off. I have been looking at taurus and other less expensive models. Some with 5-7 round capacity So Please, If anyone who has a Taurus 357 model small frame like the 605 or 600 series and have had troubles let me know. I was going to purchase this PRO SHOP S&W But not now. I guess I need to do more research on small frame CCW revolvers. OK I HAVE TO EDIT. I am also looking at the Taurus 85 & 605 but as an American I know that you get what you pay for, But buying a revolver for 1,390.00 that just may blow your face off is not my cup of tea. So any feedback from people who have the 85 or 605 I would be thankful.

[@ripplemeinwater1]

+Augest West Well, I have done a lot more research since this post which was only two days ago...So I found one guy that was flipping out about the two Tauruses he had bought....After seeing what he was going through I am off Taurus. He got two revolvers at a show instead of the ruger and Colt he wanted...Cost was a big issue but once he got them to the range the 44 had about 50 through it and the chamber fell open during live fire! The lock was stuck open and backwards. The 357 was locking up, A timing problem BUT TWO REVOLVERS?? As I listened to this again I was not surprised that the box didn't ship same day. I BET THEY CALLED THE COPS, ATF AND HAD THIS GENT RUN THROUGH THE SYSTEM! Nics you know, His name, adress, when he takes a crap. Yet our POTUS can send full auto rifles to mexico and sell them to drug dealers. This country my friends is in TROUBLE...NOV. Is coming so please get out and VOTE! Vote for someone who is Pro and not afraid of what people think of them. I have never liked D.T but he looks like he just might be able to bring us back from the disaster we are in. Well I know politics and guns don't mix well so all I can say is LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON. As of today our POTUS is going after Israel?

[@treeguyable]

Augest West I have had a Rossi (Taurus) 357 mag snub for almost a year. Hundreds and hundreds of full power rounds, no problems at all. $300.00 used , pawn shop, in great condition.

[@kaosconcealment7408]

Would you consider a kydex holster for your 627

[@TheOl1911]

Joseph Cuellar the 627 Pro? Probably not as that is only a range gun and I have sorta retired it. For the 327 2" I think I would but the Lobo OWB is working out really well. I should be getting his IWB version shortly...

[@zoggy2]

They don't fit well because they are for a K or L frame Smith and Wesson.

[@TheOl1911]

zoggy2 dang, you are correct. Also these grips are trashed. The last few times I went shooting I could not get the grips to stay. I had to use electrical tape to keep them on (LOL) but the threading in the grip is completely stripped I learned. Also on the inside of the grip I see a slight inscription that says SS8 which I think are what you said K/L. I've been had, that's what I get for buying off the bay. Aw well, win some, I lost this time...

[@zoggy2]

Kim Ahrends grips are worth checking out, you might like them.

[@TheOl1911]

zoggy2 yup just got some in today. Will do a vid soon.

[@MMJonesUSMC]

What kind of IWB holster do you use for that 340pd?

[@TheOl1911]

+Matt Jones That is Silent Thunder made by Garrett Industries...But I rarely use it. Majority of the time the j-frame is in a pocket holster in a pocket.

[@tinyicebox1]

what holster is on your 340PD?

[@TheOl1911]

Brian Cheney that holster is made by Garrett Industries called the Silent Thunder

[@plynch113]

Sux to have a gun go back to the mothership. Glad it's all fixed, s&w has great C.S. personally, I stay away from those exotic highdollar guns. I'm always reading about "FAILURES" with them. I've never had an issue with any of my AIRWEIGHTS or stainless steel revos....I don't know, I just don't trust the strength and durability of those fancy lightweight metals.....My guns are tools just as you say and if I bought a fancy lightweight hammer and had to send it back because it can't handle hammering nails, then I would trade it for the hammer that's gonna pound nails all day...JMHO