Puget Systems PC Recommendations For Game Developers

[@cmdr-reflipd]

I'm a solo dev building an open world game with Unreal Engine, I am building a new PC. Ryzen 7950x 128gb DDR5 RAM 2TB NVME PCIE5 M.2 2TB NVME PCIE4 M.2 x2 RAID RTX 4070 TI SUPER NO RGB, FULLY MESH WATERCOOLED CPU AND GPU.

[@daniil3815]

Cool system. I tried Unity and want to try UE5 because of the features it has and graphics, ability to create cool games. Right now I have ryzen 5800x, rtx 3060ti, 32gb ddr4 ram, 1tb gen3 ssd. It’s definitely enough to try EU5, but I am planning to build a new PC at Fall/Winter which will be used for gaming/programming/game dev/some video editing. I’m considering 5080/5090, 9800x3D, 64gb of ram, 2tb gen4 ssd. What do you think? Will it work great for EU5? Should I consider 96 or 128gb of ram like you?

[@joantonio6331]

​@insight_quest7it help with build time and running multiple high demanding apps at the same time...

[@ew2430]

@@daniil3815yes, considering the 50 series is out this year.

[@tejaskutal2922]

I’m trying to decide between the RTX 4070 (12 GB VRAM) and the RX 7800 XT (16 GB VRAM) for game development and learning VFX in Unreal Engine 5 and Blender. I plan to create large, detailed environments (like islands and forests) and maybe use some light ray tracing, but I won’t heavily rely on it. Do you think the extra VRAM on the RX 7800 XT would be better for handling larger scenes, or would the RTX 4070 be a better choice overall for the features it offers?

[@adamongo9619]

Is i7 12700kf abd rx6900xt good for solo game dev?

[@stormk-1130]

i really want to get a amd, but the other option its 3090 or 4070ti the problem the 3090 used its close to the price of the 4070ti

[@joantonio6331]

I am getting the 4080 super with either the I9 or the ryzen 9

[@paulvancyber1979]

pretty good video!!!! so relax!!! a lot of info

[@JayzBeerz]

The 5950X is a great value for content creators or game developers.

[@livedreamsg]

I’d argue time is money for professionals. I’d get the best I could afford.

[@deuswulf6193]

@@livedreamsg Exactly that. Its one thing if you are just starting and have a tiny budget, but if you are already working and bringing in some level of income, there is no point in avoiding the best you can possibly afford, performance wise.

[@skaikey]

informative and entertaining, thanks guys!

[@EyesOfByes]

7:07 Should I get that two pack of 380GB Optane DC SSDs for 200 Euros I saw?

[@abritabroadinthephilippines]

Radeon also 24GB dude.

[@furynotes]

The guy almost got stumped by Gordon with the spinning disk hard drive.

[@bronsondixon4747]

It’s useless though since Radeon GPUs don’t play well with productivity apps.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@furynotes And he doesn't know that Intel iGPU can use QuickSync to massively speed up rendering out times - the guy is clueless. Gordon would've been better off interviewing himself than this muppet.

[@ChinchillaBONK]

Sadly Radeon don't do well in most GPU intensive productivity apps especially 3D rendering.

[@abritabroadinthephilippines]

@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE yea I was going to say that also, about igpu and quicksync.

[@deuswulf6193]

I'm surprised he thinks AMD GPUs are fine for game dev. There are too many issues with it in regards to the Unreal Engine 5, and if you are a blender artist for example, the 7900xtx is slower than last gen's RTX 3060. That's even backed up by the Pugent System's review on those GPUs. I'd say that about 90-95% of game devs use Nvidia for the graphical work.

[@mzamroni]

Use pro driver, instead of adrenalin version. Radeon rx6000 series has much higher rasterization per watt than geforce 3000. Video encoding session isn't software limited like geforce.

[@deuswulf6193]

@@mzamroni Maybe useful for video editors, but not much use for poor blender renders and unreal engine work.

[@mzamroni]

@@deuswulf6193amd hip rt coming based on phoronix article. Current hip can't use hardware rt which is why 7900xtx losses to 3060

[@deuswulf6193]

@@mzamroni Too many let downs and failure to deliver over the years, should cause one to hold off until you actually see it in action, otherwise its meaningless. I'll be the first to celebrate if it can actually deliver comparable results to Nvidia's lineup.

[@brsndi6452]

What about intel arc a770 16gb gpu 👀 if we make a dual gpu setup it’ll give us a staggering 32gb vram if it’ll be a good option over nvidia rtx a4000 16gb vram or 2x a2000 24gb vram which will almost 20% more expensive than 2x arc a770 with almost double vram … my personal experience with a770 single 16gb vram is quite good tbh it’s just have only one issue with unreal engine that texture sometimes kinda mess up when I try 4K resolution but with few tweaks it fixes…

[@TFx2TV]

guessing that is UE5? Any chance of testing UE4? Thats what i'm currently focusing on but can't find anything concrete on how a770 handles Ue4, only 5...

[@LucidStrike]

Wild that he said Radeon offers up to 20GB VRAM when the 7900 XTX has 24GB just like the 4090. Obviously he misspoke, but it suggests his brain might be primed to assume AMD always offers less even when they don't. Or maybe just shit happens.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

When ironically AMD has always provided more VRAM than NVIDIA for the past ~10 years (8GB 380/470s).

[@gozutheDJ]

oh my god fanboy calm down

[@tejaskutal2922]

I'm trying to decide between the RTX 4070 (12 GB VRAM) and the RX 7800 XT (16 GB VRAM) for game development and learning VFX in Unreal Engine 5 and Blender. I plan to create large, detailed environments (like islands and forests) and maybe use some light ray tracing, but I won’t heavily rely on it. Do you think the extra VRAM on the RX 7800 XT would be better for handling larger scenes, or would the RTX 4070 be a better choice overall for the features it offers?

[@quillaja]

Just make a fun and interesting game. Graphics don't matter if the game just sucks.

[@LucidStrike]

True, but they also don't NEED to choose between gameplay and graphics. It's 2023, not 2003. Modern hardware has PLENTY of power for both.

[@quillaja]

@@LucidStrike Not everyone has a top-tier gaming rig, but they might like to enjoy some games on their lower-mid spec laptop. The game industry appears to be doing just fine, financially at least, so clearly they're doing something right. My opinion is from a guy who doesn't play games anymore and thinks games peaked in the SNES to PS1 era, so take it for what it's worth.

[@SMorales851]

@@LucidStrike The problem is that high-end graphics also has much higher cost of development, and higher cost for the final user. So even if the most modern hardware can handle it it's not necessarily always worth to go for it, particularly if you consider that poor optimization can neutralize advancements in hardware, and optimization takes development time.

[@StickksPlays]

If unreal in the BG say high memory.. kinda sus of the content ...

[@LanciaSiluri]

Inbreds in the comment section always think they know better lol

[@abritabroadinthephilippines]

My i7-3770 (non k) with 32GB of 1600mhz Ram and an RX 5600 XT Mech OC 6GB GPU literally just sprouted two legs, feet and toes, got up and ran to the window at 59FPS then sprouted an arm, a hand and four fingers, opened the window and then THEN just as it was about to jump out of the window...... IT FUCKING CRASHED!

[@FeedingWolves]

Kelly is awesome!

[@TheDigitalGuerrilla]

[With Keanu Reeves voice] No, you are awesome!

[@mzamroni]

Epyc zen4 atx motherboard is only around 800 dollars You can build epyc workstation by yourself

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

As is the new Intel w2400 HEDT platform.

[@NeuroScientician]

Very few people do lots of large scale compiling, if you feel like compiling UE5 several times a day you are probably better off using a cloud instance.

[@Anon-z4h]

Wat

[@bogganalseryd2324]

so this is his living? This is knowledge any gamer has, i could answer these questions in my sleep

[@LucidStrike]

Tbf, I don't think the average gamer would assume HEDT platforms like Threadripper would be good for game dev, because they're not a good choice for PLAYING games.

[@profosist]

Or he dumped it down so that reducer would understand it for an off-the-cuff interview

[@profosist]

@@LucidStrike bingo

[@gozutheDJ]

so basically, moar better

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

Game development encompasses so many aspects - as a solo hobbyist game developer I am doing music composition/production, 3D modelling, 2D art, graphic design etc... even before getting into the engine. For me Intel is the best for my audio (Studio One), Photoshop and After Effects for 2D art and UI/animation. Intel's QuickSync is a huge positive for rendering out stuff. this guy doesn't seem to know his stuff at all.

[@timlaunyc]

Which Intel platform are you using that's outpacing a Threadripper? Or are you using the unreleased Xeon?

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@timlaunyc I'm old school - X58 Xeon X5675, X99 2678 v3. I was hoping the new FishHawk Falls 16C chip would be good value, but it looks like the 13700K is my best bet for my use case. About half the price for a full build considering the price of the w2400 motherboards and ECC DDR5. I was really looking forward to quad channel DDR5 but alas.

[@FabioBedoya]

quicksync is for h.264/h.265 encoding and decoding my dude, not useful for real time rendering

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@FabioBedoya Yes, but it's very useful for After Effects as well as general video editing software (Premiere Pro/DaVinci Resolve/Sony Vegas Pro etc...).

[@gozutheDJ]

quicksync is terrible render quality lmao

[@Barmem]

best pc for game developers is top cpu and gpu on steam, if your game cant run on average gamer's pc, it's not optimized enough

[@avacee]

HAHA! .. this made me laugh :p .. you just described the best rig for testing. Try developing on a 5600X with 16GB RAM and an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 and you'll spend most of the day staring at an hourglass or a bluescreen.

[@gozutheDJ]

what a silly comment

[@cielazul713]

Game devs don't buy their own workstation. They all work on whatever system is assigned to them at the office or delievered to their home at employer's expense. And broke ass indie devs just work on whatever they already own which is why 99% of indy stuff can run on potato spec PCs. Who is this sponsored video aimed towards exactly?

[@profosist]

Wow so people in the comments don't know who Puget is guys one of the benchmarks a lot of tech review sites run is developed by them so they can get consistent data on programs you generally don't benchmark they have really good data on their website and write-ups from very knowledgeable people within the company

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

This representative is a moron though.

[@deuswulf6193]

Yup, though in this case the guy in question seems to be at odds with some of the benchmarks put out by Pugent Systems. For example, saying the Radeons are fine for Game Dev, then pointing at the Unreal Engine behind him. Radeons have nothing but issues with UE5 dev.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@deuswulf6193 That's interesting - since Unreal Engine 5 is very heavily focused on the current-gen consoles (PS5/XBOX Series X) which run on AMD CPU/GPUs. The founder of Unreal Engine itself (Tim Sweeney) is very impressed with the PS5's hardware/I/O systems too. That original "Nanite" demo running on PS5 was incredible I must say.

[@deuswulf6193]

@@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE I wouldn't say its heavily focused on the consoles, rather its designed to be multi-platform for export, while the actual development is PC based. That said, the ball is mostly in AMD's court rather than Epic's, at least for the most part. On the Unreal Development forums, its not uncommon for a developer in a thread involving AMD GPU issues to end up switching to Nvidia as the solution. Agree that Epic's advancements with both lumen and nanite meshes is impressive. When mixed with DLSS/FSR, it should provide some interesting visual benefits for lower end hardware as well as consoles.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@deuswulf6193 Yes of course - development isn't going to be done on a console with a controller and limited RAM/VRAM haha... Absolutely NVIDIA has the flagship performance in both consumer and "professional" grade graphics cards (though I'd argue that the 4090 and RX 7900XTX are professional grade cards themselves), and large video game studios are always going to choose the biggest and most powerful cards for the job. Plus NVIDIA has the advantage of the CUDA support vs AMD's OpenCL which I do wish was more optimised, even for selfish reasons as a musician/graphic designer/amateur game developer - NVIDIA is terrible in an audio production system because of its archaic cache scrubbing system which introduces huge DPC latency, yet AMD is not up to par concerning 3D rendering performance, After Effects VFX work etc... For me it's AMD as my focus is on real-time low latency performance and NVIDIA just doesn't work for my needs unfortunately.

[@asdf_asdf948]

Need zen 4 threadripper

[@claudep.1926]

So basically the guy built a business around telling people the obvious? lol Seriously, if you are a game developer and don't know how to spec your own system, what are you doing?!

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

I hope this guy isn't the founder because he doesn't even realise that Intel QuickSync on the iGPU aids in rendering times when using a dedicated GPU.

[@LucidStrike]

Tbf, they also sell systems and provide deep productivity-focused benchmarks and reviews. This was just a 10 minute interview. He made a few errors, but cameras can do that to people sometimes. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@LucidStrike If you're selling high-end systems you had better know what on Earth you are talking about. Are you stupid?

[@livedreamsg]

Being a developer and being tech savvy are not mutually inclusive by the way. You’d be surprised. The vast majority of developers have a company provided computer and follow instructions to set it up with their specific company. It’s not like you’re just building out your own PC.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

@@livedreamsg This guy isn't a game developer (to my knowledge) he is a representative for a PC building ("systems integrator") company - he should know PC hardware to an intimate level.

[@abritabroadinthephilippines]

Your tests are broken then because RGB does make a difference.............In POWER! hahahahahahahaha

[@TheEnd]

All joking aside I turned off all my rgb and my power consumption dropped significantly tbf I do have a lot of rgb

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

@@TheEnd eeh. rgb takes really little power.

[@abritabroadinthephilippines]

@@TheEnd exactly m8 even though my comment is a joke it's still kinda true.

[@andso7068]

Weird questions but alright

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

Did Puget just hire this guy because he's tall and has an (EDIT: not quite so) athletic build? He doesn't know a thing about computing haha... Get a real computing expert to run your stand in future Puget - your interviewer knows 10x more than your representative!

[@cielazul713]

Dude isn't even tall, Gordon is just short and also not using the best posture in this vid. Gordon really phoned this one in lol!