Punch-vs-Rip for Hay Field Aeration

Scott talks about using the puncher (aerator) and the ripper (cultivator) for managing compaction and increasing water infiltration in the hay fields.

[@misterb1080]

Miss this gentleman. RIP my friend.

[@samanarisingofficial]

Videos like this one is nice to look back at. Fond memories of a humble and sharp-witted Northern Texas farmer. A great inspiration to many... All the best to you and your family. Stay strong and make Scott proud. We are rooting for ya, all the way from Norway.

[@oldironfarms929]

We miss you Scott ! I grew up on a farm and the way you always explain everything in detail , it really made me excited to see what I might learn from you next !

[@ihus9950]

God Bless you Scott, sure do miss these great videos and the laughs and knowledge you and your family shared. 👍

[@canvids1]

so great to see you two on the farm and getting things done, You sir are one lucky sob to have a woman that wants to be in your life 100% God bless you both.

[@scottfreeman796]

canvids1 I am lucky, thanks for watching

[@MrSykes]

You two are wonderful to watch and listen to. One of my favorite channels.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+MrSykes thank you

[@herbhouston5378]

I want to say I appreciate your honesty in the things you say about yourself and your lady.In todays world that is very refreshing and honest. Honesty is becoming as rare as common sense and conscience. I admire the way you enjoy simply spending time together and how you talk to each other. I pray for good things for you both and for your business...

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Herb Houston I can't express how much I appreciate those kind words, thank you

[@shakes7333]

Teally miss seeing y'alls videos hope all is well. Sorry to hear about Scott.

[@boatmanshuzz4030]

Spent weekends on the farm in Alberta growin up. You both rock and I really like the laid back vibe on your channel.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+BoatManShuzz thank you for watching and commenting, we are pretty laid back, some people think too laid back.

[@ronaldduwaynebrown8071]

Sure miss yalls videos God bless you Scott

[@markhopkins928]

Scott & Kim - enjoying your videos, keep up the great work. Mark and Carol

[@NorthTexasHay]

Mark Hopkins thank you for watching

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Mark Hopkins I just made the connection of who this is, I'm feeling the pressure now.

[@johnnysharpe9131]

Thanks for sharing with us buddy , I really enjoy all your videos alot.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Johnny Sharpe thanks for watching and commenting

[@harrisharvester]

I really look forward to your vids, interesting and funny! Keep up the good work.👍

[@NorthTexasHay]

+A C Harris Contracting thanks

[@NorthTexasHay]

+A C Harris Contracting thank you

[@thomasdaniel6495]

I really enjoy watching you and your wife interact,you are a lucky man.I lost my wife a year ago to leukemia,and we used to have a good time,getting out and working together.Anyhow,have fun,great videos.

[@NorthTexasHay]

Sorry to hear that, I don’t know how you go on

[@thomasdaniel6495]

@@NorthTexasHay Its hard,but I just take it day by day

[@whistled46]

Love you two!! Keep the vids coming!!! Really wish we were closer, I'd help you at no charge, just to get back to makin hay!!

[@NorthTexasHay]

+whistled46 thanks

[@WTFarmGirl]

Thanks for this video, I had been trying to talk Erik into one and after watching this he is now convinced!

[@NorthTexasHay]

Thanks for watching. I hope I can help you a little, I've made a lot of mistakes in my years in this business.

[@WTFarmGirl]

@@NorthTexasHay erik wants to come out and help you next summer and glean a bit of your wisdom ;)

[@NorthTexasHay]

I can always use help

[@chuckstevenson2929]

Good video. Worked on my Dad's Country Club greens crew in the summers back in the 70s. They had core aeration machines. 3' for the greens and 12' for the fairways. Left the plugs to lay in the fairways. Rode a Z1 Kawasaki back then.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Chuck Stevenson I wish I had a machine to pull plugs but I think my soil would just gum it up

[@farmingforfunandprofit940]

Thanks for the input....... .Ever notice how a cow lot gets so wet...The hoof prints hold the water.......not only does punching concentrate the water but promotes extra leaf growth and that is what we are looking for....Make hay like everybody in the world needs it....

[@petermbugua138]

I love what you do peter from kenya

[@mattclark8436]

You two are real characters! I enjoy how well you get along and rib each other! That is interesting about the punch vs the ripper, keeping your hay pure and weed free means you can get a better price for it which adds to the bottom line. One suggestion, you might want to invest in an automatic shut off nozzle for your fuel pump! They save even very small spills.

[@NorthTexasHay]

I actually have one in my shop

[@mattclark8436]

Just takes a couple of minutes, get the wrenches and teflon tape and you are all set! Lol

[@williambrewer6346]

This some good information,we rip with a 3 shank 24" ripper every 5 years,then harrow to smooth the field.I usually use Pastora in the spring but with all the rain and Crabgrass we will be trying ProwlH2O this time.I like the Puncher Idea!Thanks for the videos' Happy Harvesting!

[@NorthTexasHay]

+William Brewer same to you

[@mhft1091]

A very interesting talk thank you. I thinking about buying a ripper myself but have seen some terrible things happen when people get ripping. The time, fuel and hp required to pull a ripper worries me greatly, I will defiantly do some more research on your punching machine. Thanks again

[@NorthTexasHay]

MHFT 10 thanks

[@ronnierivera3991]

I bought a hay king renovator a couple years ago. It didn’t seem to do much for me. I live outside San Antonio in a sandy loam soil. I have been thinking about a aerorator. I have just been running a tandem disk thru the pastures.

[@tomservo5347]

My Dad's pasture desperately needs aeration. After 70 years of cows packing it down something needs done. I've thought about welding some spikes on some old 12" pipe he has, adding some heavy bearings on each end and making a 3-point hitch for it. I've also thought about experimenting with a section by running a disc very lightly over it and sowing red clover. Wouldn't the clover roots help break up the compaction as well as providing nitrogen along with some timothy grass to cover the clover?

[@streetrodder2846]

Miss ya, man...

[@bullrambler]

I enjoy your videos and was wondering if you were aware of the Aerator from Ranch Works. Also, does aerating help to level pot holes, and high areas when it's done on a field.

[@johncourtneidge]

Thank-you!

[@michaelclinton7134]

very well explained

[@NorthTexasHay]

+michael clinton thank you

[@smcox1991]

I have the six shank hay king renovator and have had it for probably 10 years and it's been a nice piece of machinery. You need one heck of a tractor to sink them in hard soil though. My 9540 Kubota will sink them pretty good in 4wd. That aerator looks really nice, it also looks as if you can throw it on the 3 point but you sure would need a massive tractor to pick that thing up with those weights on it.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+smcox1991 I does a good job but I need a bulldozer to pull it

[@hogslayer]

I was hoping to see the aerator in action as I'm wanting to switch from a renovator to an aerator. My fields are the same type of "black land" soil as you have. Seems like my renovator does too much damage to my hay fields especially how the coulters slice all the runners. Looks like you can get a used aerway or new Industrias American for the same money. After a little research it looks likes the Industrias brand is manufactured in Cuauhtémoc, Chihuahua. I'm wondering how much replacement tines are compared to aerway, hopefully cheaper.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+hogslayer I believe the tine replacement is the same, but I've used mine two years with hardly any wear. I'm thinking I can get 5 years out of a set of tines in black dirt and half that if you have sand. You can use aerway tines on a the industrious.

[@w056007568]

Thanks for the clear explanation of what you mean by punching the grass. Here in the UK we would call your punching machine a pasture slitter. How wide apart are the shanks on that ripper as they look quite close? What is the main reason why you don't want ryegrass to establish - is it really too coarse for your equine customers? (I realise that you are producing a premium product for sale at a high price). I'm surprised that you would like a sandy farm to farm your hay on as they are considered the least desirable soils for this type of crop because they are much more inclined to be acidic soils and from a fertiliser point of view they require significantly more fertiliser for a similar yield as they are considered low fertility soils. Yes they are free draining and growth will start sooner in the year and go on longer in the Autumn but they are seriously prone to drought. Having said that they are preferred soils for commercial turf growers.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Dan Whiteford horse owners do not like to buy ryegrass. Drought problems wouldn't be an issue because I would irrigate and Lime would take care of the ph issue. Coastal Bermuda just seems to thrive in sand when managed correctly

[@belindakt]

Sounds like you're describing black gumbo. I can only imagine how hard that would be on equipment..... I would guess the ripper actually disturbs the soil too much? Now I understand why you're grass looks so good- you have that spiker to aeriate the roots, & a great well to get enough water down where it can do the most good. Very wise hay grower, you are!!!

[@NorthTexasHay]

+belinda turner it's not black gumbo it's just a black dirt. I guess it could be called clay, all I know is if you get behind on watering you will not catch up. As far as me being wise, my wife would get a good chuckle out of that.

[@brfriedm]

Love the videos. For Christmas buy the main man some new t shirts LOL!

[@NorthTexasHay]

+brfriedm will do

[@jasonbeaudoin8359]

We have the automatic shut off nozzle for that very same reason.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Jason Beaudoin I've never been known to do things the easy way

[@rjvan9220]

I have the automatic nozzle too, always worked great until last winter it was below freezing and I always trusted it. Turned it on, started cleaning cab windows, whalaa, 10 gallons on the ground! It hasn't malfunctioned again, but I stay pretty close now! Just found your channel, love it, learning something new every day. Hay and cattle producer here from North Arkansas. Thanks!

[@davidcarleton6928]

Hear ya about the ADD! I have so many boxes of parts for projects.... Plus all the projects bouncing around in my noggin..... I get a lot done but rarely anything finished!

[@NorthTexasHay]

Lol

[@MrBusdriver63]

You're right Scott Aerating is much better than ripping fields, the best part about Ripping , is you are going to cultivate a field . The first time that I used a Aerator the response was almost immediate, and I only used it twice a year. I had a Dairy farm and I only had flood irrigation.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Darryl Digby-Smith I noticed it right away also. Thanks for watching and commenting

[@donutman942]

You are a lucky man Scott, hold on to that lady :)

[@scottfreeman796]

Donutman I'm going to give it my best shot

[@michaelmactavish1728]

nice big arearator wont take long arerate a lawn with it

[@kevinstrickland1578]

i managed a sod farm in n.c. for ten years and one of our farms was red clay and rock. it grew beautiful sod but was a bitch to work and hard on equipment. love your videos

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Kevin Strickland the rock probably allowed it to breath. My soil is like Portland cement

[@kevinstrickland1578]

the problem we had is 80,000 -100,000 lb loaded trucks going in and out of the fields packed the ground. i just subed to your channel, thanks for you response

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Kevin Strickland thank you for watching and subscribing

[@bigpaddy8363]

Have a good ride, Pal

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Big Paddy we're trying

[@BornRandy62]

We have black loam here. The product of more than 20 thousand years of tall prairie grass and several glaciers. We can't grow ground crops like onions potato carrot but corn soybeans and grass Excell in this area. Geology is such that ground moisture Wells up at night. Enough that even during our drought a few years back , corn still made 150 bushel with no irrigation.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Randy J having good dirt makes a difference.

[@jayrominger]

is it possible to add sand to the soil?

[@cjboswell3405]

this is the worst I've seen the crabgrass in my alisha, I ripped it in the spring with a gopher plow, in your opinion would that promote the crabgrass growth. Thanks for the video's keep them coming

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Cj Boswell yes

[@deanbrown4512]

Wish I could have found s machine like yours. It was not available in my area, I bought aeroway

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Dean Brown aerway makes good equipment

[@samrugtiv5563]

your very welcome

[@kevinnewell5653]

Where y’all at this year????

[@SouthernBoy-jy8nq]

There is 117 ac of coastal bermuda with two 800' pivots and a 120x120 pole barn in Mineola tx.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+SouthernBoy2001 that's a little further from my selling location than I would like to be, but that's the exact conditions I'm looking for

[@deanbrown4512]

People say aerating doesn't help but I think different. I spray put litter and aerate before spring. I made hay with short. Rain when others didn't. I have red clay, its tough but rather clay than sand because I can't irrigate.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Dean Brown I think people who say it doesn't work may have only tried it one time which is why I punch 4 times a year

[@DLKHAY]

have you thought about running a subsoiler to start loosening the ground?

[@NorthTexasHay]

+DLK HAY I have one with the hay king, but it disturbs the ground enough to break my pre emergent barrier and I wind up with rye in the first cut and crabgrass in the remaining

[@h3country821]

Do you think pastora the weed killer for sand burs "stickers " will kill my oats I just drilled in my hay field some oats are up about 1"

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Lorey Helford that is a question I can't answer, I have no experience growing oats.

[@kendyer7455]

have u ever put potash on ur land or any other type to loose up the soil

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Ken Dyer put it on in the winter and with every cutting

[@frank.s74]

And if your Soil has too much magnesium, whitch i assume, you need sulfur. Watch how the guys at Agphd do it. That is one thing I've learned from them.

[@lavernmashburn8457]

With the punch could you add sprayer nosels and use liquid fertilizer & insecticide or herbicides one pass.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Lavern Mashburn the speed with the punch isn't consistent enough, but I Like your thinking

[@buffranchAB]

Great great video, that's a good honest man !

[@keithbrettell2058]

So by 'punching' the ground you're aerating it or is that a completely different thing?

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Keith Brettell yes we're are aerating

[@bartbossink12]

great. accept mistakes and go on. makes life much easier.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+bart bossink that is all you can do, thanks for watching

[@denniscollins1857]

What kind of grass do you grow for hay?

[@NorthTexasHay]

Coastal and jiggs bermuda

[@honey5bucket]

Punch vs rip makes sense now. And even a city boy can understand saving $6000.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+anon y mouse ha!

[@samrugtiv5563]

happy birthday

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Sam Rugtiv thank you

[@2950johndeere]

Sand is ok but we sub soil ours and yes 200hp is required when you go 14 to 16 inches deep. And i have seen spots tractors that big struggle to get through. And i wish we had some black dirt sand is hell on our mowers and other equipment

[@NorthTexasHay]

+scott offerle tractor that big is out of my range, plus I've notice with the ripper I loose a little yield on my first cut compared to punching

[@duanehenicke6602]

I know he's gone now, but i just wanted to comment. Maybe help some people out. April is extremely late for aerating a hay field in Texas. December is a good month. He had no idea how lucky he was to have dark ground. Holds moisture and fertilizer better. Sand burrs don't like it much. Anyway do your aerating early. Helps your herbicide program work better.

[@svendholme3627]

Its good to see a loving couple working as a team. Scott as you said, "if you are not making mistakes your not working". The diesel spill can be largely prevented with an automatic diesel fuel nozzle. Northern Tool sells them. www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200665142_200665142

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Svend Holme I need to put one on, thanks for the link

[@brandoncaldwell95]

I have sand on my place. Just need the hay equipmemt as i feel like shit shredding it down.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Snipe Stud00 that's the hard part, getting all the proper equipment

[@tommcghee5339]

Where can I buy the industrials America pasture aerator?

[@tommcghee5339]

I will reply to my own question. JOHN Deere dealer in Missouri ordered it for me.

[@clearingbaffles]

I used to tend bar at a golf course and several times a year they plugged the course golfers bitched they vacuumed up the plugs and filled holes with sand/fertilizer then the golphers bitched cause the grass grew too well Thanx from the left coast near the Krapitol of California

[@NorthTexasHay]

Gene Murphy Haha! That sounds about right.

[@herdingcats3850]

Call your county extension agent. He/she could be helpful. Like your vid.

[@TheTexasguy83]

If u had sandy soil would you punch your soil? Thanks

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Braeden Zindel yes I still would. I don't think you can ever get enough air to the roots.

[@TheTexasguy83]

In need to get back at it then. I have 300 acers in denison. I do hay and we have polo horses and cattle Love your videos. Keep up the good work

[@johnmills186]

Computer geeks thought they had come up with a new concept when they invented multi tasking they never meet a farmer. And they aren't as good at it. I liked your comment about behavior because when I use a wrench and I get through with it I lay it down where ever it lands and I have really tried hard to change. I am 66 it is not going to happen.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+John Mills ha! We all have our faults

[@1bigsample]

It wouldn't be very hard to make bigger blocks if you want.they would just have to be deeper/taller

[@NorthTexasHay]

+1bigsample I could do that pretty easily but the extra weight would cause more stress on the frame and bearings, so doing it when the ground is moist works really well for me.

[@HNCahoon]

I'm not a farmer, but if I were. I would be watching the following videos: Mimicking Nature: One Farmer's Cover Crop History kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIDYe2WYiqyWisU 2017 Dave Brandt Field Day - Gabe Brown kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWOshoV9e9Boj9k

[@ozlakota1]

6k is a lotta diesel the yellow specs lift the light good to see

[@scottfreeman796]

Kevin Lynch yellow safety glasses, it was the next new pair in the pack but I liked them

[@ozlakota1]

they are great in low light situations

[@bradcoley6964]

I agree we cant rip because of rocks but the aereator works great .We use an araway .I like the twisted tines myself. hey man as far as spilling fuel it happens great vid have a wonderful day

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Brad Coley thank you and you have a great day yourself!

[@michaelmactavish1728]

wont take long aerate lawns with that

[@grzegorzmatuszewski6030]

witam ja jestem polakiem i bardzo mnie ciekawi farming amerykanski pozdrawiam

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Grzegorz Matuszewski thanks, I think

[@DavidSmith-jj5pr]

translated: Hello, I am Polish and I am very curious about American farming greetings

[@johnclarke6647]

It is nice to meet an honest man on Utube and not another politically correct AH with their rubber gloves and masks on. If you haven't spilt diesel or gas on the ground then you have never pumped or poured it into a piece of equipment. Some of these guys on utube would be sponging it up with tissue clothes and Q tips. I may throw down a little kitty litter if it is a bad spill but that's about it.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+John Clarke dirt seems to do a pretty good job

[@NorthTexasHay]

+John Clarke thanks for the kind comment

[@jddriver9565]

Why dont you sell the hayking?

[@NorthTexasHay]

+JDdriver95 actually have thought about it, I may try to use it in a trade for a brillion seeder or spigger

[@jddriver9565]

ahh ok thanks. and how you wanna reseed the fields you wanna work down with the disk?Do you already have a seeddrill?

[@KD5VSV]

Check out LaMotte Soil Test Kit's they offer low to high end professional kits to run test on your soil. I use the #5679-01 Model EL kit every fall and spring on my gardens.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+KD5VSV I'll check that out

[@alphasxsignal]

Florida has tons of sand ground

[@NorthTexasHay]

+alphasxsignal we have a lot here also, just not in my exact location

[@arwelagrimachinery]

You could ratchet strap 2 big 200L ish drums full of water on top would add a extra 880lbs

[@arwelagrimachinery]

The handy thing about the metric system is 1 Litre of water is 1kg of weight and 1kg is 2.2lbs, we use a mix of imperial and metric in the UK but your Gallon's are different to ours

[@ronaldfeuerstein435]

Oh yeah!!!! Sandwiches.....oh look theres a butterfly... Lol

[@tlowevpnv]

You can buy soil testing kits to test it on your own.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+tlowevpnv I'll check into that

[@BedeMeredith]

Actually it was our fertilizer company that came up with aspects of our fertilizer and soil testing plan, I know it seems counter intuitive but there testing plan and systems started up the last time farming was going through a crash cycle here, typically the first thing farmers cut when there's a shortage of money is inputs like phosphate etc. so from there point of view its a way to balance and even out there own demand and cash flow. For us the area we mange is pretty decent about 5000 hectares , so making sure we have just the right amount of nutrients applied by soil testing more than makes up for the cost of wasted product and costs associated from over application. (typically aerial top dressing) We are also still battling with issues from residual sprays that previous leasehold tenants seem to have applied heavily, we only found out about this after getting some extra tests done because the nutrient fertility was showing great but the actual growth was pitiful. increasing organic matter in the sub surface would help break up your clay, you can also add hell of a lot of gypsum as well, it works by changing the electrical charge around the plates and allows water to move between the platelets. You could move to a place with better soil / sand but gdamn you'll pay for it one way or another and you probably wont be able to pay for it making hay. (you could look to trial a small area where you are now (5-10 acres) and blend in a bunch of sand into the clay before resowing, ultimately you'll have to run your numbers, can your activity pay for what more desirable soils are fetching doing your current activity?

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Bede Meredith thanks for all that info. I can make 25000 bales on 80 acres in sand with one center pivot. That should be more than enough to pay for it. I'm not going to be rich, but I can make a living

[@BedeMeredith]

Theres a wealth of knowledge online about improving clay soils, increasing organic matter and microbial activity, maybe get your kids to do some reading for you and get them to bring you the best ideas they can find (if your time constrained), it might take a few years to see the difference but its how we operate, slow and steady improvement. I really like your current set-up, you seem to have mastered what you need to do currently to produce a reliable consistent bale of hay, just looking at the videos you've made you can see the crispness, density and consistency in your end product. your current location looks fantastic to be honest nice slopping self draining fields, good reliable? water source right in the middle, I think you'd struggle to find something with better soil that had a reasonable price any where else.(it would be all snapped up by dairy people here) To product you take to feed stores, attach some cards to some of the bales with a link to your website / youtube channel and a contact number telling people where to get more and ask for feed back on the quality.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Bede Meredith interesting idea

[@STEVENRAY18]

You have a good setup where you are there moving it would be a bad move you can head sand or whatever you want to that soil to loosen it up and make it however you want it living where you live having the well that you have to water the hey you would be in my opinion a fool to move

[@NorthTexasHay]

+steven keller I don't think there is any way to fix this dirt

[@Meathos122011]

It's known as Blackland clay and it is a witch to cultivate LOL LOL

[@robertallen7106]

Hey Scott I just want to know if she's got an available sister

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Robert Allen she has a sister but she is taken.

[@jamespruett7447]

You know they use sheep's foot rollers to compact road beds? I'd be wary of deep compaction over time.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+James Pruett you could build an airport runway on my fields, there is nothing I could do to make them worse

[@rjvan9220]

North Texas Hay Have you looked at the pasture punch? I have hilly fields with some rock, a ripper just makes a mess here. I'm looking to buy one, I have used a 12' I borrowed from NCS, filled the roller with water, my T5 115 plays with it. I feel it did in fact increase yields and as a bonus pushed a few rocks flush.

[@ronaldfeuerstein435]

And one other thing... Goggle soil test kit... I might be helpful..

[@buckhorncortez]

The frame appears to be as heavy as the Aerway. However, the technology of the Aerway is the twist in the tines. You need to look at the shape of the tines compared to the Aerway. The Aerway tines twist when they go into the ground. This causes a "shatter" effect where the soil is cracked underground loosening it up for air, nutrients, water, etc. I use an Aerway on a pasture area with a lot of clay. It took about three years of use, but now the clay area is porous and supports grass instead of only weeds. I found that aerating in late November was the best because the water from late rains and snow would penetrate and then freeze and expand causing further aeration. Also, the tine gangs on my Aeway are adjustable for angle. They go from 0 degrees, to 5 degrees, 7.5 degrees, and 12 degrees. This allows you to adjust the amount of opening you get in the soil. At 12 degrees they act almost like a rototiller and will completely open up the soil.

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Buckhorn Cortez these are adjustable also and they do the same type of twist as the aerway I think. I have tried a fall punch in a test section and it set my grass in that piece back a whole year.

[@mikestreicher2770]

Get a fuel cutoff hose.

[@kendyer7455]

I would have my wife do that she can't she battling cancer

[@NorthTexasHay]

+Ken Dyer sorry to here that, I hope she beats it

[@kendyer7455]

North Texas Hay me too we have to travel to Houston to md Anderson cancer center soon as we can get enough money to go please pass word on u can read her story on gofundme.com and in search put [e-mail] u can read her story and thank you for the prayers

[@alphasxsignal]

Chinese or India I bet

[@perryleeds8260]

What size tractor do you have ?