Punic-Sicilian Wars ⚔️ The Battle of Crimissus - Last Stand of the Sacred Band (339 BC) DOCUMENTARY

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[@simonebosco5097]

thank you

[@Ecthelion007]

15:22 "Syracuse now stood as one of the last great symbols of Greek independence" and what about Macedon?? they weren't free?? or they weren't Greek??

[@Ecthelion007]

15:32 they were "yoked"??? they were agreed under the leadership of Philip as Panhellenic leader to punish the Persian empire. do you know the academic rules of writing?? Please write us the historical sources that they were "yoked" to the expedition.

[@deanmartin995]

I used to love your channel but the narrators voice is just unbearable, please hire someone else to do the narrations.

[@giod6266]

Hei Invicta, I am just checking. Are you really giving me prices?

[@kamiloniszczuk9685]

Carthage: "2500 citizens killed? We shall never use the citizens in battle again after such a massacre" Rome: "a third of the entire male population dead? We still have two-thirds, though"

[@diestormlie]

"Rally half of what remains. We do need another army."

[@michaeltamke8542]

One could argue, Carthage lost the Punic Wars (with Rome) that day with this decision

[@ivandicivan4189]

That notion comes from their enemies sources therefore not very accurate. Carthage did use citizens in war after that, they were massively used in navies and ancient navies had higher mortality rates than land armies (Carthaginians had big losses of their citizens in naval battles of the First Punic war), and also in land army, as heavy cavalry and heavy infantry. Also in the antiquity different branches of armed forces were not clearly separated as today, so you would have ship crews engaging in land battles often. After truceless war many cities in northern Africa (mostly Lybo-Phoenician who spoke Punic language) had their population become carhtaginian half-citizens, these made core of the army, and Hamilcar moved many of them to Iberia where he would create semi-autonomous province, to which these people would de facto be citizens (although to Carthage they would still be half-citizens).

[@theflame5919]

Rome was the definition of a psychopath in a state. U gotta love em for it.

[@oteleaionutbogdan5381]

Well, I get the joke, but those 2500 Sacred band soldiers were nobles.

[@mk9650]

It is worth mentioning that at the time of the events portrayed in the video, Timoleon was almost blind and well into his 60s. He had retired from public life for decades after killing his tyrant brother and having been disowned by his mother for his actions, refusing any help from his friends and choosing to live like a ghost. Truly one of the greatest comebacks of all time.

[@jamesabestos2800]

An absolute lad

[@Miller09095]

What a legend. Restored Democracy rather than take the selfish route so late in life. Respect for the old man.

[@Mark-pj1ih]

I'm in the hospital and this is great medicine for a history nerd

[@CiubyX]

Take care buddy! All the best!

[@Lassisvulgaris]

In that case, I will recommend The History Chap and thehistorysquad. Both are excellent....

[@Mark-pj1ih]

@@Lassisvulgaris thank you I'll look them up both new to me

[@dustintacohands1107]

Get well some eat your tacos

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

Feel better soon

[@keeshans5768]

Damn the ancient Greeks had a knack for being at the right places at the right times.

[@freeloader510]

Carthaginian and Sicilian Greek aka Syracuse Wars (480-264) is actully going to be my PHd subject im so happy!

[@nisarbo3781]

The battle of Crimissos was the most successful battle for the greeks vs Carthage on the island with a heavily outnumbered force defeating a much larger army and had a strong resemblance of the battle of Lake Trasimene in 217 bc, where fog & ambush played a similar role. Also credit has to be given to the Carthaginian Sacred Band who were more armored & disciplined than their greek opponent. According to Diodorus the 2500 strong contingent managed to hold off the greek force entirely on their own fighting uphill with the river on their back and buy time for the rest of their army to cross & almost turning the tide until divine intervention occurred (in the pov of the greeks) by the arrival of a storm who turned the river into a deadly stream killing many carthaginians while the Sacred band were stuck defenceless in the mud unable to defend themselves due to their heavy armor & were all cut down as a result.

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

One of thee GREATEST victories in HELLENIC History 🇬🇷

[@isaack2084]

I wonder why the Carthaginians were so bad at empire building. Every victory they had tended to provide very little political reward, and every loss shook the foundation of whatever regime was in power.

[@nisarbo3781]

They werent bad at empire building at all, they just had no interest in total conquest like other empires had, but rather keep a confederation of client states and allies cuz that benefitted their trade network. In fact Carthage was one of the longest lasting continuous state & political entity in antiquity only to be surpassed by Rome, even confirmed by Polybios

[@Bigman-fh1fz]

They’re weren’t. They were more like after money and wealth so they favored trade. Rome as far as I know, was more concerned with wealth that they’d forcefully acquire through conquest

[@BOSIE321]

They were absolutely phenomenal at making money and doing well off their empire's trade links-see how many times they quickly recovered after Rome demanded outrageous war reparations after the first and second Punic Wars for example. The problem was more that their military was quite weak at times and that for every military genius they produced (like Hannibal and Hamilcar) they also produced way more dreadful generals with sub-standard mercenary armies.

[@isaack2084]

@@Bigman-fh1fz I mean most empires are built with resource and capital capture as the central point. Carthage had moments of military greatness, but it rarely rubbed across across generations. Punic Spain was lost as quick as it was built. Carthage failed to dominate Sicily politically or militarily over 7 Sicilian Wars and Pyrrhus’s invasion. The second punic war was basically a Barca private war.

[@isaack2084]

@@BOSIE321 Carthage was so erratic In it’s decision making when it came to prioritizing war aims. A Carthaginian general had just as many enemies back home that wanted to see them dead as they had across a battlefield.

[@LuisAldamiz]

A most interesting and respectable, and, as you say, overlooked, underrated as they say these days, character Timoleon ("honor lion").

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Yes, the Honorable Lion !!! TIMOLEON 🇬🇷

[@Sealdeam]

When Timoleon was getting rid of tyrants in his own time he was also getting rid of the symbols of past tyrants such as their statues, the only one he respected and thus his statue was left standing was Gelo, the victor of Himera.

[@heavenyeahh1196]

The definition of "UNSUNG HERO".

[@OnlyInMelsele]

Once again a great video about this underrated topic! Keep up the good work!

[@Ecthelion007]

Yes it was a good video but not 100% historically accurate. They don't follow the academic rules of sources and freely hinted that Macedonians were not Greeks.

[@gilgameschvonuruk4982]

We need more man like him

[@parrythetrojan]

Great episode man! I remember watching the Punic war documentary you did. You have come so far man!

[@liamcullen5105]

Reject modernity Embrace the sacred band

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

TIMOLEON !!! The GREATEST GREEK 🇬🇷 EVER that never gets talked about!

[@jlih6271]

What an awesome story! Now I'm off to research more about Timolian!

[@kimmcroberts5111]

Thank you for your work!

[@darthcalanil5333]

Awesome episode. As a big fan of antiquity, I must admit that I've never before heard about Timolian

[@stormboss57]

Sounds like a great setting for a videogame. Epic!

[@-RONNIE]

Thanks for the video it was good

[@LeePenn2492]

a very interesting character . thank you for the education on this .

[@vincentvassallo5727]

I always check the art credits to see which group he goes through and I really love the work Penta Limited have done like those are some of my favorite episodes

[@ancientsitesgirl]

Fascinating! Watch😍

[@robertjohnstone3106]

Great video. I'm a big fan of ancient Greece/Rome/Carthage and I can honestly say, I never knew about Timoleon and these events

[@noneednoneed5752]

Not the first on the battlefield, but glad to serve and die for you, commander ! Sneaky start with Sacred Band, end with praise of Greek Devil !!!

[@Ricketan]

straight class gentlemen

[@BassFlapper]

Great timing, currently listening to Hannibal by Harold Lamb. What a madlad.

[@EpicNerd]

Timolean is the embodiment of: "Cowabunga it is" :)

[@Antaragni2012]

Great story! Great man Timoleon.

[@robbabcock_]

Great video! ⚔

[@giod6266]

Very nice, thanks!

[@windchange8680]

Amazing video!

[@davidhughes8357]

Love Invicta.

[@pseudomonas03]

Timoleon of Corinth, one of the greatest leaders of the ancient Greek world, and one of the greatest fighters of Democracy!

[@alexanderrahl7034]

Imagine if Alexander hadn't died, and went on to fulfill his desire to conquer the west as well...

[@chezgomit]

R*meaboos wouldn’t exist, life would be utopia…

[@sevinceur1766]

Heh, even more places subject to chaos on the conqueror dies. Alexander had good martial skill, but his stewardship left a lot to be desired.

[@alexanderrahl7034]

@Sevinceur well he was like, 23 or some shit lol. All he knew was conquest until he died. Bro could have either been the greatest king, or the king of dude bros, chugging wine and indulging in all that exotic booty lol

[@alexanderrahl7034]

@cheeze gomit kind of my whole insinuation lol. Question would be, "could he defeat rome?" I'm not 100% certain, but I think this was around the time Rome was about to shift from the Phalanx to the Manipular system. After having all that experience fighting Etruscans, Samnites and other Greeks, I wonder how the fight would go down. Alexander would have plenty of veteran soldiers, all of the east's worth of manpower and resources, and probably allies in the form of Taras and other Greek colonies like Rhegion and Syracuse. So the odds would definitely be in his favor.

[@chezgomit]

@@alexanderrahl7034 around the time in the video, Rome was a still a measly city state that used phalanx formations, so would of been crushed by Alexander.

[@wankawanka3053]

Timoleon the one great greek general with a happy ending since most of them just die in battle or get assassinated

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

FACTS !!!

[@Samsok013]

06:39 that looks awesome

[@jonny-b4954]

It's just so wild to me how... much of a bubble these people were in. They knew all about the Mediterranean and outlying areas. So much more world out there. Then I think of how massive this effort must have felt to them within their frame of reference. Yet in the scale of history it's just a minor "war" in a minor theater/region. So fascinating. What was "The world" to these people? What were they truly fighting for? Most fascinating part of history. Like even the "mother city" of Corinth. You think, how did the Corinthians view Sicily?

[@paulwood6729]

Ortygia, the isle of Syracuse, is a wonderful place but don't go in August. It's chuffing hot.

[@josephlongbone4255]

Hannibal must have studied this battle for when it faced the Romans at Trebia.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

A video covering what happens to POWs or how they could go home or not in the antiquities would be nice.

[@luis.m.yrisson]

This! Ancient slavery was very different from our modern concept.

[@gniarc54]

Watching all those episodes was very interesting, like a season show on HBO, waiting what would happen in the next episode, who will die, who will win or loose hahaha Thank for your work, i like the way you use quotations, and how you replace it in the old context, that explain a lot about rival congratulations 😆 Thank's from France :)

[@INVICTA63]

Be good to see you make it to full production one day Oakley 👌 rootin for you n your people

[@BOSIE321]

I can't help but think that Pyrrhus was right in that Sicily seemed a place where a truly mighty empire could and should have dominated it (obviously the Romans did eventually but i mean before that). I wonder if Philip or Alexander had lived longer if they could/would have swept West and conquered the entirety of the island?

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

They would have! 100%

[@samdumaquis2033]

What a dude for democracy

[@samwill7259]

The high importance of cities is so odd to me from a modern perspective. Maybe it's just because I live in a suburban area where you have to drive between 4 different localities just because only one town has a movie theater, public pool, etc. But it'd be so odd for me to imagine one city as functionally the whole world.

[@gequitz]

I'm just an amateur, but 1) It's kinda the only evidence of civilizations we have sometimes (especially when writing is missing) 2) It's pretty tough to have complex societies using specialized labor without some kind of urbanization. Sure, theoretically you could have scholars, artisans, and everyone else not farming/fishing/hunting food *not* live in cities, but it’s a lot more practical to have various skilled laborers all kinda close to one another.

[@gequitz]

Also, protection from warfare/raiders. There's a reason why one of the oldest cities, Jericho, is famously walled

[@samwill7259]

@@gequitz Oh no I totally get, intellectually why we were and are this way. It's just hard for me to fully contextualize, to put myself in their shoes as it were. Imagining being tied to a city and only a city rather than a state or a nation

[@davidburland6576]

The larger federal government alters your perceptions from an older point of view it makes sense you would live on a farm or farm village with no trade ,manufacturing or defense capabilities beyond the minimal a polis could put a thousand heavily armored men on foot to enforce its will and can manufacture or provide what you need you provide them food .

[@gequitz]

@@samwill7259 Oh OK. Yeah, it's kinda crazy to think almost all of our ancestors were in an existential crisis if they had a bad farming/hunting season. Obviously we have serious problems today, but not to the point that we fear that we will starve and die (or our vulnerable children will). Makes sense why ppl turned to raiding and war.

[@TheSaneHatter]

"He chose not to rule as a despot": Timoleon was the leader that Palpatine only pretended to be.

[@Vandelberger]

Hm, wondered what happened to my third favorite Rome 2 unit.

[@patrickrpedrus747]

Nice video, for some reason I misread the title as "The Battle of Crismus" lol

[@crabcrab2024]

Brilliant! Why can't I give more than 1 like?!? 🤨🙂

[@historyisawesome6399]

Make a play list there to many episiodes to scroll looking for them with out missing 1

[@Lassisvulgaris]

Or better, gather all episodes into one long episode.....

[@historyisawesome6399]

@@Lassisvulgaris aggreed

[@H3LLS3NT4SS4SS1N]

Timoleon walked so scipio africanus could run

[@H3LLS3NT4SS4SS1N]

11:20 is the soldier on the left supposed to be a Carthaginian? Did they sport tattoos?

[@sarcasmo57]

A familiar tale.

[@V-man117]

Dude, ancient greeks were really good at recking other civilisations and themselves

[@AdamTothTA]

Wondering if the subjugation/vassalisation of Greek cities by Philip led any increased migration to Sicily and South-Italy. Anyone has some info about this?

[@wankawanka3053]

E nit that much most greeks migrated to populate the cities that were founded by alexander the great

[@Number1Irishlad]

Timoleon really just said "Λεεροψ Σενκινσ!"

[@jonathanstempleton7864]

Hence the song: I Wish It Could Be Crimissus Every Day 🎄☃️

[@QuanNguyen-rr6pe]

So total war river battle then?

[@user-jf6yv8rj2s]

Timoleon, one of the best military minds in history. He died undefeated. He was a true fighter of democracy. In Corinth he didn't hesitate to turn against his own brother and kill him because he wanted to be a tyrrant.

[@wankawanka3053]

And he had a good death

[@naturalbornpatriot6369]

Have you ever thought, that most of your videos are viewed by numbers of humans that would be equivalent to entire nations and city-states that your content covers? Fucking wild man.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

His subscriber count exceeds the population of Attica during the time covered.

[@Alfred_Leonhart]

Timoleon is a chad

[@alejandrosakai1744]

I have never listen of Timoleon of Korinth, he lived after Leonidas, Themistokles, Miltiades, or Alexander the Great and before Pyrrhus of Epirus! By Zeus, what a legend and myth!

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

He is my FAVORITE 😍🇬🇷

[@TemujinMSM]

Is there a playlist?

[@hydiyn9553]

Ah yes Dionysius II of Sword of Damocles fame.

[@superfrycook6360]

Sacred Band: Can we copy your homework? Spartan Hoplite: Yeah just change a bit so it doesn’t look obvious you copied. Sacred Band: Ok.

[@trollalolololol]

Really makes me wonder how many Timoleon’s there have been in history that we just don’t know about. His achievements mirror those of Cinncinatus but the latter is far better known than Timoleon, in my opinion anyway.

[@MarfSantangelo]

Which is kind of a shame, really. Everyone praises Cincinnatus for his humility when holding absolute power and later resigning, but forget that much of his "heroics" while holding such power came from him killing plebeians who wanted to improve their legal standing in Roman society. Cincinnatus became a hero for killing his own people, Timoleon repelled a hostile invading force, destroyed most symbols of the Syracusan tyrants, pacified the island and restored democracy instead of becoming the new tyrant of the hour. Sure, we all know Greek democracies, much like the Roman Republic, were profoundly stratified societies for our modern standards, but they were a major improvement during their time period when compared to most despotic regimes. I'm probably babbling too much, no one will read this text wall, so, uh... TL;DR: Reject Cincinnatus. Embrace Timoleon.

[@MCorpReview]

Wow he seems like such a decent feller.😊

[@Joshua-uw7wm]

Yep

[@aaronlitke9834]

Loll is "everything but the taco" a double entendre?? If so, it is hilarious. Ah, the amount of times I've been told that exact phrase.... Well, maybe not verbatim, but the overall message was certainly the same :( Believe me, I don't just leave the subject after a single denial of taco, and it sometimes works, allowing me to enjoy some good Mexican food that night!

[@pakshirajan8585]

Please make a video on Chalukya Empire

[@lcplapiata5501]

Carthaginian Officer's, would often Don a Barbary lion pelt in honour of their god Melqart an Baal.

[@brokenbridge6316]

This Greek General reminds me a little bit of George Washington. Because like him this Greek decided not to become an absolute ruler.

[@mohammedsaysrashid3587]

Carthiaginian had skills in navigations & commercially expansion on Mediterranean shores while they had no political skills& military controlling equivalently to Greek 🇬🇷 & Roman Empire leaders...thanks (Invicta) channel

[@Pikkabuu]

Mago? Is that a Carthagenian name akin to John or Kim?

[@Ecthelion007]

15:32 they were "yoked"??? they were agreed under the leadership of Philip as Panhellenic leader to punish the Persian empire. do you know the academic rules of writing?? Please write us the historical sources that they were "yoked" to the expedition.

[@leondobre7498]

Roman arch in some buildings of that period ?

[@HellenicWolf]

As a Corinthian myself, I'm proud of our colony Syracuse! But of course Philp and Alexander were Greeks too. Macedonians were a colony from the south blended with natives there. But the aristocracy were Greeks.

[@ziazaidi3]

I love these episodes but I wonder why they don't number them. Like, if it's part of a series, why not tell us where we can start? I don't wanna start watching this in the middle, and it's hard to figure out where the series starts.

[@Normandy-e8i]

video starts at 2:01. enjoy

[@da90sReAlvloc]

Was the sacred band like delta force

[@robertgianakis763]

Great depiction Sicilian history. Macedonians where northern Doric Greeks They participated in the ancient Olympic Games. So depicting them as something else is misleading. Ancient Macedonia united many Greeks under the helm of Alexander the Great. Both Sparta and Epirus where not included Even though from his mothers he was half spirit.

[@ΚώσταςΛιακούλης]

Macedonians were also Greeks, and Greeks were constantly subduing one an other in one form. Your Ending words are wrong.Not only the Greeks were free, but were preparing to launch the greatest war on their history United ( in terms of these times) and write the golden end of classical Greece,for Which generation of our nation feels proud of

[@miguelcamacho4595]

Timoleon what a Chad

[@rotciv1492]

Carthaginians lose 2500 of their citizens in a battle and they become traumatized. No wonder the Romans outlasted them in the 1st Punic War. Like god damn...

[@JesusFriedChrist]

Merry Crimissmus 🎄

[@pseudomonas03]

Now bring Agathocles and Pyrrhus!

[@davidburland6576]

Hek-A-Ties

[@sarantissporidis391]

Well, he acted exactly like his name dictated, Timoleon, the Lion of Honor.

[@bishop6218]

Wait... I thought the ancient definition of tyrant was "an illegitimate ruler who took power by force" Wouldn't the son of a tyrant be just a regular king then ? 🤔

[@beepboop204]

🙂

[@ZliwerHinata]

I love your videos, but all the ads before the video and then sponsored segment inside the video, it's all too much it's sad to see the channel for what it as become over the years.

[@aenorist2431]

Sponsor: Here, consume shit you (by definition) do not need, blindly, in hopes of getting hooked into consuming yet more shit you don't need. And people wonder why the world is fucked.

[@Lassisvulgaris]

I always skip the intro....

[@panagiotisntafogiannis2847]

Last of the independent Greeks? This statement can only stand if you suggest that the Macedonians where not Greeks, so, do you?

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Thats what I want to know! What a BS CHANNEL adding that Propaganda in at the ene! 🤡🤣

[@Zeus-ez6rf]

Macedon(MAKEDONIA in Greek) were the same as Sparta and Athens a Greek city state!

[@solaufein1374]

Entire situation was "fubar" ? What does that mean? Is it made up word? Wait is it that word ftom Saving Private Ryan?

[@InvictaHistory]

its just jargon for Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition and was made relatively famous by Saving Private Ryan

[@robertstuckey6407]

"Fouled" Up Beyond All Repair

[@solaufein1374]

@@InvictaHistory Yeah, it is fun, but it doesnt really fit into ancient documentary you know. Like you would say carthagian commander was KIA (killed in action). Haha, keep up great work.

[@Lassisvulgaris]

There's alao "snafu", situation normal, all fucked up.....

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

@@InvictaHistory Hey Invicta! Macedonians were ALSO Greeks! Very sneaky how you threw that Propaganda in at the end 🤡🤣

[@whyamiforeverunloved4075]

👍

[@michaelmccormick3278]

Any chance of anyone Scottish - Robert the Bruce