Punishment of Theft in Islam | Dr. Omar Ramahi |

[@waqaruddinansari8757]

I met Dr. OMAR, It is correct to understand the Qur'an with the Qur'an rather than non revealed books. Thanks dr Omar

[@earnesteffort8115]

Thanks brother. I also believe that Almighty Allah never gives the brutal order to chop off the hands of a thief.

[@waqaruddinansari8757]

(وَالسَّارِقُ وَالسَّارِقَةُ فَاقْطَعُوا اَيْدِيَهُمَا جَزَاءً بِمَا كَسَبَا نَكَالًا مِنَ اللّٰهِ وَاللّٰهُ عَزٖيزٌ حَكٖيمٌ۔ 5/38 - (وَال-سَّارِقُ وَال-سَّارِقَةُ) The particular chief, not every chief. If he or She repent and mend, their character, then Allah is forgiver: فَمَنْ تَابَ مِنْ بَعْدِ ظُلْمِهٖ وَاَصْلَحَ فَاِنَّ اللّٰهَ يَتُوبُ عَلَيْهِ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ غَفُورٌ رَحٖيمٌ۔ 5/39)

[@QuranStudy]

Salaam. I've only had the opportunity to listen to a part of this (I listened to the last 15 mins or so), and it was EXCELLENT! Thank you to brother Sarfraz and Brother Omar

[@IsAb-t5i]

Salamun Aleykum Dr. My question regarding 5.38 is, why does it start with WA? The ayah does not seem to be continuation of the previous ayats but it starts with AND?? is there another meaning for WA- other than AND? If so, can we apply it here for both the masculine and feminine and come up with better understanding?

[@UALIS123]

Dr. Shabbir Ahmed has translated exactly what Dr. Omar has translated. 5:38 A habitual thief, male or female, must have their ability (to steal) cut off. This is the reward for their doings and a deterrent from Allah. Allah is Almighty, Wise

[@OmarRamahi2019]

I believe many have inferred that the punishment is to take their ability; however, what I did in this presentation is to show through purely linguistic analysis that chopping of hands cannot be the punishment of theft according to the Mus'haf.

[@talharahman1980]

@@OmarRamahi2019 Salaamualaikum Dr. Omar! I really like your podcasts. Seriously, if more Non-Muslims look at scholars like you who talk rationally rather then extremist clerics in the middle-east & south-asia, etc. more Non-Muslims will have a positive view of Islam. Also, I see your background is you are a professor of Electrical & Computer Engineer from a well-known university like Waterloo, makes me relate you more as I am graduate from University of Windsor also in Electrical Engineering & Computer Science. Inshallah, one day I have to meet you. Also, would like to see a podcast with you and Quran-Centric scholar Edip Yuksel & Mufti Abu Layth Al-Maliki the Sunnah Reformist. I would like to see your thoughts on Muatazilah school of thought & great theologians like Fakhruddin Al-Razi. Also, do you believe Ottoman sultanate are an example of Islamic reformation since it in their later days they even put an end to slavery? Jazakallahkhair.

[@FaridOmarzadeh]

@@OmarRamahi2019 Dr. Omar, فلیقطعوا ایدیهما means you cut off their freedom just like the Prophet of Allah Joseph did to his brother when asked them what is the punishment of the theft according to you? Remember, these are the sons of Jacob prophet of Allah and their religion is Islam and Joseph himself knew that would be the answer to execute his plan... Unfortunately, they have changed the meaning of فلیقطعن ایدیهن in the story of Joseph too ... those women did not cut their hands with a knife but lost their strength and could not hold themselves back for admitting Joseph's handsomeness

[@mak271pk]

Excellent. Please do your shows frequently. This one came after such a long gap.

[@waqaruddinansari8757]

Dr. Omer Quran is a book of guidance and ETHICS such as: (وَلَا تَاْكُلُوا اَمْوَالَكُمْ بَيْنَكُمْ بِالْبَاطِلِ) - (يَا اَيُّهَا الَّذٖينَ اٰمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللّٰهَ وَقُولُوا قَوْلًا سَدٖيدًا۔ 33/70) - (يَا اَيُّهَا الَّذٖينَ اَمَنُوا لِمَ تَقُولُونَ مَا لَا تَفْعَلُونَ. كَبُرَ مَقْتًا عِنْدَ اللّٰهِ اَنْ تَقُولُوا مَا لَا تَفْعَلُونَ۔ 3-61/2) - (وَتَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْبِرِّ وَالتَّقْوٰى وَلَا تَعَاوَنُوا عَلَى الْاِثْمِ وَالْعُدْوَانِ 5/2) - (يَا اَيُّهَا الَّذٖينَ اٰمَنُوا اِنْ جَاءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَاٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا اَنْ تُصٖيبُوا قَوْمًا بِجَهَالَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلٰى مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَادِمٖينَ. 49/6) - (لَا يَسْخَرْ) - (وَلَا تَنَابَزُوا بِالْاَلْقَابِ) - (اجْتَنِبُوا كَثٖيرًا مِنَ الظَّنِّ) - (وَلَا تَجَسَّسُوا) - (وَلَا يَغْتَبْ بَعْضُكُمْ بَعْضًا) 12-49/11. These are universal ETHICS.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

The Mus’haf has within it guidance. The Quran is a subset of the Mus’haf/Alkitaab. The Qur’an is also different from the FURQAN

[@ma3ts]

Read the story of Yusuf They are talking about ladies cutting hands??

[@OmarRamahi2019]

In the story of Yousuf, it is impossible to infer that the women were given knives to amputate their hands. It simply does not make sense. Most likely, they were given the knives to make cuts in their hands as a punishment for spreading rumors about the wife of the pharaoh.

[@ma3ts]

Punishment just like ladies is a mark on the hand of the thief to indicate that the person not to be trusted but if the person mend’s their ways then they could be treated as normal

[@quranistislam]

exactly thats what i understood kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZjOkoWOoZiVf8k

[@pamirkhan7928]

Yes this is the good interpretation of cutting hands quran via quran, the ladies cutting hands were just cuts marked on hands ,not totally cut off hands

[@user-k229]

When I first came across the so called " chopping of hand" verse, years ago, for theft, I found it disturbing! Why? Because the next verse states... but if they repent, forgive them. The issue is this: If the hand of the person who commited theft is cut off, litterally, and then they latter, repent, they are now without a hand and are useless in society as far as being able to earn a living!!! Do you chop the hand of someone who steals a loaf of bread etc? If a person steals food because they have no means to pay, is it the person or the State that is to blame? Under an Islamic/ Welfare State System, the state has to provide the essentials for every citizen. So the verse should state " Stop the hands of the thief." A perpetual thief who does not repent should be incarcerated in prison.

[@user-k229]

@@iii___iii I didnt make up the verse from the Quran. It states that if the thief, repent, forgive him! Criminals ought to be judged fairly in a court of law and sentenced accordingly, hence books of Firq, legal system. You are quite harsh stating that a person with one arm can work, yes, but it must be difficult. May Allah swt protect us from losing an arm or leg!

[@user-k229]

@@iii___iii 5:33 Refers specifically to those who wage war on Allah and His Messenger. So this verse is specific. In addition, however the verse adds, " or escort them out of the land." So yet again we see the Mercy of Allah at play. jzk.

[@fairooslebbe3000]

Also I want to say Male or female ~Nisa and Rijal. In Allah's eye not male or female According to 'Majd khalaf'

[@tawhidsharat3499]

It's really wonderful to discover the truth. But I want to ask- why you are saying Islam is a RELIGION? Definition of religion and the characteristics of Islam are different and opposite. The ward DEEN in the Mushaf never used as a religion.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

It really depends on the definition of religion. Such usage, perhaps, is not complete without a proper definition. But I see your concern is that what people typically understand that what is meant by the word "religion" is different from "deen".

[@avastamin]

Dr. Hany said, in Abrahamic locution "Ard" means Book.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

Can you explain why Ard means book?

[@avastamin]

@@OmarRamahi2019 Salamun Alaikum Dr. Omar. Please take my sincere apology. I am not an Arabic speaker, I can't explain. I heard on one of Dr. Hany's lecture. I believe you can reach him. By the way Dr. Omar, Allah commanded in Quran 6:54 to greet each other by saying, “Salamun alaykum(Peace be upon you)" then why do all muslims say differently? If you have any videos or book please refer to me.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

@@avastamin salam brother Ruhul. Regarding Ard, why would you accept that the meaning of Ard is book if you don't understand how this came about? I don't have any issue understanding what Ard means, and therefore, I don't see the need to ask anyone what it means, but you are telling me that Ard means book without any understanding or any justification and you simply referred me to a third person. Please excuse my candor in replying to you, and I hope you appreciate it. But Allah clearly declares in 17:36 that we should have an understanding rather than mere knowledge (as the difference between the two is profound). Why would you believe anyone who tells you anything without providing a rationale that is convincing? Regarding the Salam greeting, When Allah uses the word "Qul" it does not mean "say" but rather a declaration or promulgation. It is the concept of declaring peace in any form or language that is intended rather than specific wording.

[@avastamin]

@@OmarRamahi2019 Salamun Alaikum brother Omar. I really appreciate your condor in replying me. I found similar words regarding greetings other places in the Quran. Also some authentic hadith. If "Salamun alaykum" is used in Quran then arn't we giving less emphasis on Quran than hadith by saying, "Assalamulaikum"? Here are those Ayats: When the believers in Our revelations come to you, say, “Salamun alaykum(Peace be upon you)". Al-Quran(6:54) They will call out to the residents of Paradise, “Salamun alaykum(Peace be upon you)!”- Al-Quran(7:46) “Salamun alaykum(Peace be upon you) for your perseverance. How excellent is the ultimate abode!”- Al-Quran(13:24) those whose souls the angels take while they are virtuous, saying ˹to them˺, “Salamun alaykum(Peace be upon you)! Enter Paradise for what you used to do.”- Al-Quran(16:32) When they hear slanderous talk, they turn away from it, saying, “We are accountable for our deeds and you for yours. Salamun alaykum(Peace be upon you) ˹is our only response˺ to you! We want nothing to do with those who act ignorantly.” - Al-Quran(28:55) And those who were mindful of their Lord will be led to Paradise in ˹successive˺ groups. When they arrive at its ˹already˺ open gates, its keepers will say, “Salamun alaykum(Peace be upon you)! You have done well, so come in, to stay forever.” - Al-Quran(39:73)

[@quranistislam]

he said many times that chopping of hands is barbaric and hands are very important for livelihood. the same Quran he believes in says that eye for an eye. Are not the eyes important ? what if a person wastes the two eyes of another person ? should he not be punished with the same act to him according to Quran?

[@OmarRamahi2019]

Please note carefully that they eye for the eye, etc. (5:45) was ordained in the Torah for the followers of Prophet Musa (see 5:44 for the context). These rules or code has nothing to do with the message that was revealed to Prophet Muhammad.

[@quranistislam]

@@OmarRamahi2019 so what will be the punishment now for wasting some one's eye from the Quran ?

[@OmarRamahi2019]

@@quranistislam If I cannot answer you that does not mean that the punishment will be taking his/her eye out.

[@quranistislam]

@@OmarRamahi2019 brother, Allah has not declared those laws obsolete in any verse. And those laws were from same lord. For same species. Bani israel were not some special species from humanity.

[@quranistislam]

@@OmarRamahi2019 and please respond to my other comments on this video. I mean no offense, i am curious if i am wrong ?

[@fairooslebbe3000]

Ard ~ according to Dr. Hany Achchan Ard mean a different meaning not earth. Try to work with also his concept. Marvelous Quran youtube channel

[@OmarRamahi2019]

Why ard doesn’t mean earth?

[@fairooslebbe3000]

@@OmarRamahi2019 SA, according to His Quran if methodology Sabag samaawaath means 7 layers of understanding of Qur'an and also He relates Ard to the same ie. Qur'an. If so again Ard falling in to plural. And I am very very happy when I saw the heading of Theft and Punishments because I was continually arguing with my friends about same concept , without any study. I don't know Arabic to do a study like you. But you have done a very relevant very sensitive study.

[@shukriyusof2104]

Firstly, I agree when you employ the *fairness & justice* argument... hence, _chopping off hands_ will be unfair & an injustice when the "quality & quantity" of the stolen goods are put into consideration. However, when you tackled the ( وَالسَّارِقُ & وَالسَّارِقَةُ ) issue, you didn't apply the same line of reasoning, for example: From the word ( جَزَاءً ) ... do you think the compensation should affect the male or female thief? Or, compensation must be based on _"the thief who stole more"_ or _"the thief who stole less"_ ? It would be a good idea to go here for a better perspective of the Arabic of the Quran's _masculine & feminine words_ and they don't necessarily translate to male & female: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6C6gqmMj9Rpjq8 Once you apply this line of reasoning, then the issue of _"chopping off hands"_ for theft is totally UN-Quranic and therefore *Un-Islamic.* You don't need to impress others of your academic or linguistic birth right to understand the QURAN, do you? The truth is right there within the verses of the Quran. salam.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

salam brother, I appreciate your interest in this program and I appreciate your comments and reference to Majd's discussion which I don't find it much relevant (if any) to the discussion we have here on the theft subject unless I am missing something and I would welcome you to point it out. However, your comment about my alleged need to impress others is unwarranted if not outright insulting and very unprofessional and borders on ad hominem . To be taken seriously, one has to refrain from such insults and remain focused on this very important topic that seriously affects many people.

[@shukriyusof2104]

@@OmarRamahi2019 You should heed your own advice, i.e. to refrain from assuming everything is about you... which is why you couldn't get my point... which is *the gender of Arabic words* ! The _masculine words_ do NOT automatically translate to the *male* ...

[@OmarRamahi2019]

@@shukriyusof2104 I am fully aware of the fact that gender is related to names not necessarily to the essence of what is being named. I have talked about this in different programs. But you failed to show the relevance as far as theft is concerned. Secondly, please kindly do not personalize the discussion that you keep dong repeatedly. Kindly focus on the subject rather than the person. I never assumed anything about me or you or others. Please stay focused on the subject and don't deviate to personal innuendos please.

[@shukriyusof2104]

@@OmarRamahi2019 Just read 5:38 again but this time instead of _male & female thief_ use _"master thief & petty thief"_ . Even if you translate the other part as _"chop off their hands"_ , it somehow does not fit into the context of *_fairness & justice_* . after all... as you yourself said, where is _fairness & justice_ when you chop off the hands of the big-time thief & small-time thief. don't overthink it! salam.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

@@shukriyusof2104 But what is the justification behind interpreting السَّارِقُ as "master thief" and السَّارِقَةُ as "petty thief"?

[@quranistislam]

how to take the ability of stealing from a person? why not take the ability from all men before they commit the crime (if u can do so) ? he gave argument that in putting into jail, there is scale, in terms of time. but in terms of cutting hands (injuring , scaring or chopping off finger , fingers, hand and hands) also has scaling. i dont see any logic in his research of singular and plural theory. thats the way how a sentence should be. male or female ( who ever it is) cutt off their hands (of thieves). there is nothing to be confused of. punishment is for THIEVES not for one thieve. other things he is right. Allahs forgiveness does not contradict with cutting off hands. and caliphs actions does not make them deen. and rich people steel more. i agree with these statements.

[@guitarman...]

I have watched a few videos on this channel but the views and arguments in this one are the least convincing to me. You remarked at 9:40 that if the punishment for thieves was carried out during the days of the Prophet and the khalifs, then it would mean that it was not not a perfect Islamic state. One of the markers of a successful state is where the crime anf corruption rate is extremely low. By your reasoning, Islam is also not a successful religion, as there were many who never converted and many who left the religion during Prophet's time. No disrespect Sir, but laws do not control a society like a logic gate or a binary system. Rather like a fader where success and failure are measured through statistics. Aren't countries like Bahrain, Saudi, UAE etc. Some of the safest in the world? Now, I do not believe that some of the laws in the Holy Books are authentic, but it is not the interpretation of rather misinterpretation that can explain it, but perhaps it is something else, maybe another finding like the Sana palimsest but more complete may shed light in the future, Allah knows best.

[@mohammadjunaid751]

5:38 and 39 should be considered together. To my reading, the hands of the thief is not to be cut off instantly. He/she is to be brought into rehabilitation. And if his/her mindset changes and he/she is found repentant, then he/she is to be released. On the contrary, if, after a logical period of time, the authority find him/her incorrigible, then both hands are to be amputed and released so as to serve to the soceity as an example. This is how stealing/corruption will come to almost zero in the soceity.

[@Showme-SHORTS]

Very confusing.

[@quranistislam]

try this, if u understand urdu kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZjOkoWOoZiVf8k

[@profarifmaishi731]

A habitual thief, male or female both, must have their ability (to steal) cut off. This is the reward for their doings, and a deterrent from God. God is Mighty, Wise. [As-Saariq = Habitual thief. Nakala = Deterrent. For Qat’a yadd, the so-called cutting of hand, please see 12:31 about Egyptian women ‘cutting their hands’. Yadd = Hand = Ability = Power. ‘God’s hand’ at many places in the Qur’an, of course, denotes His Power and authority. So, consider all circumstances with wisdom, and take measures to prevent this crime in the society. S

[@Showme-SHORTS]

What's the conclusion ? None .

[@OmarRamahi2019]

The conclusion was stated several times in the presentation. Simply put, the punishment of theft in Islam is either exile or imprisonment. the duration of the jail term will be commensurate with the value of the stolen goods/money.

[@Showme-SHORTS]

@@OmarRamahi2019 are you convinced about this conclusion because you're saying either imprisonment or exile , this means you're not sure ? I'm not criticizing you . What bothers me is that if there are 10 translators then they have 10 different translations which is very confusing and problematic. The translation should be one correct translation .May Allah guide you and me more. I watched your presentation on hadiths , fabrications , you're knowledgeable , MashaAllah.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

@@Showme-SHORTS exile or imprisonment carries the same meaning of limiting their ability to steal.

[@Showme-SHORTS]

@@OmarRamahi2019 they can steal in exile too .

[@OmarRamahi2019]

@@Showme-SHORTS not if exiled to a remote island in the middle of the sea, or to a house in the mountains. Allah's solutions are flexible enough to be applicable to all times.

[@petrocko8170]

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[@thesignsofgodareamongyou8306]

Some things i agree some things i don’t. Peace

[@OmarRamahi2019]

Alhamdullillah that you agree with some points.

[@subhaanahmad2149]

Pakistan do not implement this by the way. Great interview.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

Many thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.

[@ZionistDictator]

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