Is Ijma Shirk..?? | Dr. Omar Ramahi |

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Is Ijma Shirk? interview wit Dr. Omar Ramahi about the concept of Ijma and what Quran says about it.
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[@goatt6811]

thank you for the video I always questioned everything about Islam I learned from my family and teachers . I feel anger towards the entire community that they always told lies . I had to do research on my own to figure out how messed up eveything is . Thanks to Allah that I was able to see clearly and identify the falsehoods fed to us by the Sunni and Shia clergy. I no longer identify as a Sunni or Shia . I will always keep searching for the truth. May Allah guide us all.

[@AzadsLearning]

MashaAllah you have explained the term ‘IJMA’ nicely and proved it to be baseless with the verses of Quran. May Allah give you the best reward.

[@snh4753]

Wow, this lecture has given me great insight about the limits and application of Islamic jurisprudence in our daily lives. Also clarity about the definition of kufr and shirk. Very refreshing and intellectually satisfying discussion. Jazakallah

[@OmarRamahi2019]

Alhamdullillah

[@shuaibSamadAli68]

Dr Omar is a Specialist. I love him him and his teachings more than myself. May Allah give the best of all worlds to you gentlemen….

[@FA069]

Always feel absolute pleasure listening to Dr Omar. Please bring him more often on this channel. It was excellent in depth discussion as usual. Thank you.

[@rizwanshaukat5654]

Thank you. Quran always enlightens us. Marvelous. Only Allah's Hukm

[@TeymurKhan571]

Allah is The best of creators [In regards of Hukm/Judgement/Authority/Legislation]. I love connecting ayahs together and making the Quranic verses have much greater meaninng to it. Like this: The word Ar-rahman means the most gracious-spirit. And the destinity, connectivity source between mutaqeen and Allah (The exclusive and only creator who is worshipped in truth and has no partners) ArRaheem is with only to those who stay on the siratal mustaqeem and siratal ladheena an’amta (prophets path, (Mohammad’s uswah (In absolute constant times of being in salat (adherence and/or ritual prayer and in purification/augmentation/zakah) bismillahirarrahmanirraheem means: In the name of The one and exclusive God worshipped in truth without having any partners, The Most Gracious-Spirit and connectivity source/destiniy between the Mutaqeen (The ones who stay in the bounds of God’s hukm) and The one and exclusive God worshipped in truth without having any partners, The most merciful to those who stay on the straight path (Adherence and perservence into God’s laws), and the path that He has blessed, the prophets (Such as the uswah/example of Mohammad (Constant fear/prayer/adherence/submission in God)

[@hamzaamir1218]

what a beautiful explaining of issue... marvelous brother omar

[@sufismart8224]

Salamun Alaikum! Allhamdulila beautiful explanation Allhamdulila 🤲👍

[@shukriyusof2104]

The problem with academicians and theologians is that they will always, either intentionally or otherwise, over-complicate a simple matter. As an example, at the 17minute mark the good doctor was attempting to explain and clarify the difference between "kufur" and "shirk" with the usual human perspective of "Islam, Muslim, Kufur, shirk, Mushreeq etc" when the clear-cut answers and definitions are readily found in the verses of the Quran. The first thing to remember is that "Everything about Allah is centered around the Quran." Consider this verse... 6:121 And do not eat from that over which the Name of God was not pronounced, for it is abomination. The devils inspire their followers to argue with you; but if you obey them, you would be polytheists (mushreeq) Please focus on the last part of that verse that says, "The devils inspire their followers to argue with you; but if you obey them, you would be polytheists (mushreeq)" Then take note of this declaration by Iblis... 7:16 Iblis said, "Since You have willed that I go astray, I will lurk in ambush for them in Your Straight Path." In other words, "shirk" or associating others with God is when you "obey what people, who are prompted by Satan, to say about Allah that is not found in the Quran." Easy peasy! Learn from the Quran... don't try to teach the Quran! The world will be a better place to live in, if we gathered all the academicians, theologians and religious scholars and place them on a deserted island where they can only corrupt themselves with their "teachings!" salam.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

Thanks much brother. I hope I am not one of those you want to send to a remote island ;-(. But if it must happen I hope it will one of the beautiful Caribbean islands :-)

[@shukriyusof2104]

@ADDAM DUY HO? Economy = economist. Technology = technician/scientist. 😉

[@snh4753]

It seems you are also one of the teachers.

[@shukriyusof2104]

@@snh4753 Yes.... to a person at your level, every other person is presumed to be a _"teacher."_ peace to the world.... *there is only one book we must read before we die... The Quran.*

[@হাসানমাহমুদ-ষ২য]

Excellent event.

[@awaisdurrani49]

Excellent lecture

[@manndesfriedens5248]

Salamun alaykum, Of course the consensus of a people or a cast of clergymen cannot or are not allowed to change Alislām by adding or removing laws, BUT what I understand Ijma3 is about how to implement certain laws in according to differing social and economical environments. Maybe some scholars or powerful political individuals transgressed their limits due to the lower human desire to be relevant and impactful. I dont know. But we can observe this mentality also today and even amongst Qur'ān only muslims. So, it is really necessary to distinguish between religion and tradition and to always stay ready to go back to the Mushaf itself as well as to deal with the opinions, understandings and explanation of other muslims. I understand the concept of ijma3 as a trial to exclude errors, a kind of cross checking, but its not the final wisdom - at least it is a tool, but whatever comes out of it must always be in line with the eternal God given laws of the Mushaf

[@hamzaamir1218]

how could i miss this segment.. i dont believe

[@manndesfriedens5248]

Salam, very interesting, but I have a question to Dr Omar. You say that we cannot call it shirk if partners are associated with Allah swt in matters of creation, because He describes Himself as the Best of all Creators (Ahsanul Khaliqeen) indicating there are more than only one Creator, but it is shirk in matters of legislation (Hukm). My question: How we should deal then with the term "Ahkamul Hakimeen" (The most Wise among the Legislators)?

[@OmarRamahi2019]

salam. I am not seeing any problem with your question. Ahkam and hakimeen has to do with rules and passing rulings and judgements. has nothing to do with wisdom.

[@manndesfriedens5248]

@@OmarRamahi2019 According to my dictionary 'ahkam' means 'wise, most knowing'. The point is that this vers indicates that there is the possibility of more than one legislator (meaning Allah), but He is the ahkam (?, maybe best or most authoritive) one. The core or intention of my comment was to ask why do you call it shirk when other inferior legislators are associated with Allah but not matters of creation. To me both belongs to Allah alone. Maybe I understand something wrong

[@OmarRamahi2019]

@@manndesfriedens5248 Salam brother. Humans can legislate but their legislation is a different type. Allah's legislation can be somewhat thought of as the broad constitution. Modalities, however, need a sub-layer of legislation. Here where humans can legislate based on time, space, circumstances, etc. However, The "constitution" type of legislation is solely for Allah. here is an example: to legislate that non-Canadians cannot buy residential property in Canada has nothing to do with Allah's legislation as long as it does not violate it. Perhaps these layers of legislation are the ones relevant to the context of superiority in the word "ahkam".

[@elbowstancenow1519]

Exactly!

[@linebreaker622]

Can u please invite Sam Gerrans to discuss any important topic related or regarding the Al Quran?

[@asgherali7660]

دُنیا میں اس وقت جتنے بھی لوگ ہیں سب مل کر اجماع کریں اور سیب کو انار کہدیں تو سب انار نہیں ہوگا اگر چہاردہ معصوم میں سے کسی ایک معصوم نے سیب کو انار کھے گیں تو سیب انار ہو جائے گا

[@braveheart8318]

Shia bakwas bina ksi saboot k. Tum isileay to mushrik ho k tumara manna he k tumare khud sakhta imam God hen or Apple ko pomegranate me badal sakte hen. Itni khudai taqat k bawajood sub jungon me mare gae koi Jung nhi jeta. Unke marne per na koi kafan dene wala tha na rone wala isleay uno ne tume peda kia rone dhone k leay. Ab sari zindagi rowo peto or enjoy karo.

[@ableskill]

The word “Ijma” been used in Quran once in the story of Yusuf. “They (Group) tried to “Ijma” ( conspire) against Yusuf”, to kill him etc.. So Ijma is a deviant meaning, which the Quresh adopted during their ruling after killing of most companions.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

interesting and valuable observation indeed.

[@ridethelightning9]

Always a pleasure but I'm confused about when he said Allah says Na7nou. Isn't Allah speak of himself in the majestic plural. Idk why Dr ramahi said Allah involved others

[@OmarRamahi2019]

Salam brother Thanks for your question which will game the opportunity to clarify. Allah sometimes uses the singular and sometimes the plural. These usages are distinct and important. When the plural is used it implies Allah and others participated in the act

[@ridethelightning9]

@@OmarRamahi2019 thank you for the response. But doesn't Allah say inna na7nou nou7iy lmawta. In surat yaseen. What I know it is only Allah who gives life back to the dead. I'm not debating but I'm truly trying to understand

[@OmarRamahi2019]

@@ridethelightning9 indeed we need to reflect. He didn’t say أَنا احيي الموتى ( I bring to life the dead) Clearly there is a difference We can’t project our customary understanding on the Mus’haf Please reflect on 5:32

[@小馬-f9t]

Salaaam,I wish he can gives example when he mentioned about the best of Creators. 23:14

[@safetmemic]

In 15:40 a question are mentioned "Did He say Allah doesnt't forgive kufr?" and you have answered no. Please, see the vers 47:34 which is talking about those who do kufr. "Those who disbelieve, and hinder from God's path, and then die as disbelievers-God will not forgive them" إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَصَدُّوا عَنْ سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ ثُمَّ مَاتُوا وَهُمْ كُفَّارٌ فَلَنْ يَغْفِرَ اللَّهُ لَهُمْ

[@OmarRamahi2019]

salam brother/sister. You raised an excellent point and your reference to 47:34 is highly relevant to this discussion. This makes me look carefully at the relevant verese even more. Suffice it to say here that 47:34 makes two conditions for the absence of Allah's forgiveness, and these are kufr plus صَدُّوا عَنْ سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ. Nevertheless, this deoes not decrease the gravity of shirk. Thanks much for your contribution.

[@safetmemic]

@@OmarRamahi2019 Salam brother. Thank you for your comment. I would also like to direct your focus also to these verses 4: 137 (Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe, then disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, God will not forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way.), 4: 168 (Those who disbelieve and transgress; God is not about to forgive them, nor will He guide them to any path.), 9:80 (Whether you ask forgiveness for them, or do not ask forgiveness for them - even if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, God will not forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in God and His Messenger. God does not guide the immoral people.). There is another verse that is very interesting that really shows how merciful God is towards kafirs. It is verse 8:38 where it is said "Say to those who disbelieve: if they desist, their past will be forgiven. But if they persist - the practice of the ancients has passed away.".

[@sajjadshah7046]

Salamunalakum, in surah yusuf verse 15 Ajmauu is used as a marking means as the they colluded. Also, in surah yusuf verse 102, Ajmauu is used for as they (siblings of yousuf) colluded for corrupt undertaking . Ajmauu is used in negative sense.

[@mohammadilyas6818]

Was SHAFI a Shia born in Yemen. He is the one who the original inventor of مثله معهو Something similar to Quran like حديث

[@OmarRamahi2019]

Good question. I really haven’t researched the originator of this “Hadith” but I will InshaAllah

[@987lllkeylll]

How do respond to people who say the khawarij said they only follow the Quran but they killed people

[@alfianbanjaransari4096]

Don't go around killing people duh

[@ableskill]

@@alfianbanjaransari4096😂😂😂😂😭🤪 best so far 👌🏽

[@DrLatifkhan]

Kufr (which I think means rejection, denying, etc.) has different forms and one of these is Shirk (associating anyone with Allah SWT in His attributes) as expressed by those who believe in Trinity. It defies, flouts, and dares the basic tenants of Islam explained in Surat Ikhlas. Is shirk not a kufr according to your beliefs? The Tafsirs or Fatwas expressed by individuals cannot be considered kufr if these are not done to distort religion. Allah SWT knows the intention of these people, but it is up to individuals to follow these translators and interpreters are not. I am an ordinary Muslim and with not great knowledge of Islam but was told that any Hadis that contracts Quran should not be followed as these are narration by people of what they might believe to have heard and that for this reason Hadis regarding the same matter may differ also. There were no voice recording instruments 1400 years ago and human beings have difficulty narrating the same event verbatim even after few days. This is a fact and I wonder why you are making such a big issue of non-event and are questioning the contents of Quran. There were things that Allah SWT had allowed the followers of other religions earlier but not the Muslims. Will you question the authority of Allah SWT and ask why he did this and why he was not consistent. Quran was revealed not in a day and if certain Ayat were indeed abrogated , exchanged or replaced then with your criticism are you not questioning the authority of Allah SWT? Instead of casting doubts on the content of Quran could not you simply say this translation is not correct for this reason. Think about it. May Allah show us the right path. If I were not a Muslim, I would have loved your vlog to ridicule Islam.

[@jeangatti9384]

Clearly the "mushrikuns" so often cited in the quran, often translated as "polytheists" or "associators" or "idolaters" refer in fact to christians who believe in trinity (meaning that they give "associates" to God, which is considered in islam to be the worse sin called "shirk") ... and not at all to so-called "pagans" or "idolaters" from Mecca. Moreover historians have established that there was no more polytheism in Arabia in the 7th century as most Arabs, especially in cities, had been christianized or judaized.

[@hassanabdur-rahman1559]

Eating pork is haram for Jews in the Tenakh. Leviticus 11:7-8 7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

[@obaidulhaque7687]

So, IRONY IS WITH IJMA PPL , DOSNE'T ABLE TO COME OUT DEFINITION OF "IJMA" WORD ITSELF..... HOW IGNORANT MUSLIM COULD BE.

[@thesignsofgodareamongyou8306]

I don’t agree with omar here. I think he needs to go through the topic of those who say three or follow the teaching of trinity in the Quran God does not speak well of them. That said he does say other things which i do agree with. Peace

[@OmarRamahi2019]

and the question is not wheather we agree with something or not, but rather if things make sense or not.

[@OmarRamahi2019]

Thank you brother/sister. But isn't shirk worse than kufr? Allah declares that he does not forgive shirk in Him but he can forgive anything else! This is the Mus'haf speaking not my own musings! I think it may surprise us to be confronted with the fact that shirk in Allah is worse than the creation of the Trinity! This may run counter to the Muslims' collective emotional package. It is about time to call things the right way. Having the clergy legislating (i.e., declaring what is halal and what is haram) as if they were God under the guise of the instrument of Ijma is equivalent to shirk.

[@thesignsofgodareamongyou8306]

@@OmarRamahi2019 I do agree shirk is worse but there are many verses where God says that disbelievers will abide in hell eternally but yeah of course God can forgive them if He wishes. But God does not lie, if He says they will be in hell forever then they will. Peace brother

[@jazz9928]

@@OmarRamahi2019 Peace brother. I always find this verse enlightening when people claim things haram or halal. 10:59 Say: "Have you ever considered all the means of sustenance which God has bestowed upon you from on high - and which you thereupon divide into 'things forbidden' and 'things lawful?" Say: "Has God given you leave [to do this] - or do you, perchance, attribute your own guesswork to God?"

[@OmarRamahi2019]

@@jazz9928 Thanks so much brother for reminding us of this extremely powerful verse! So powerful and so direct!