Pure Sine Wave Inverter vs Modified Sine Inverter - Which one is right for YOU?

[@stevesmith-ny8jb]

You are the man! 5 out of 5 stars. Finally somebody makes a video to educate other people.I am so tired of 30 minutes of extra lip flap about whatever that has nothing to do with the subject. Thank you for taking the time to help others.

[@WaganTech]

Thanks for your comment, Steve! I truly appreciate the kudos!

[@johndavidmangahas3371]

Never seen a youtuber who's very responsive to questions. Nice video and kudos!

[@WaganTech]

Hey John, thanks for that, I truly appreciate it! We're here to help!

[@rollinronin8125]

I have had an older Vector 3000w 12v MSW inverter since 2007. (Vector was bought out by Coleman) It was the first one I ever got. I paid $70 at a pawn shop. I did use it for a year or so. Mainly at night to power my tv and a couple of lights. As I had 4 12v 100ah marine flooded batteries in parallel. I charged them with solar. I had a meager existence back than. Still do. Lol. I still have it though I have a Xantrex 2000w PSW inverter/charger for day- to-day use. It works beautifully. I have a 1000ah 12v lithium battery bank now. I keep the old vector forca hyst in case scenario. And I'm glad I did because my Xantrex recently had an issue for which it had to go out of service. Good to have a plan B.

[@WaganTech]

Glad you got it sorted out

[@rajasivagaminathan9828]

Brings back memories of using these oscillators at high school. I asked my physics teacher why the peak and low were fuzzy in my lab experiment and he said it was due to poor wire connection, air/oxygen acting as capacitor and sure he was thrilled someone asked that question. Thanks for the great explanation. For my RV, PSW it is going to be. Subscribed.

[@WaganTech]

Sounds like a great teacher! They are correct too as there are a lot of variables in every aspect of the Inverter units, cables, terminations, fuses, and batteries. I'm a firm believer in doing it right the first time with quality components. -Justin

[@alexandercrash2191]

I have a msi gaming laptop. Any truckers out there looking to game out on the road like myself, a modified sine wave will not charge this laptop. The pure will probably do the trick but im not 100% certain. But i want to add, the reason for this comment is why im here based on the video and maybe others out there are too.

[@WaganTech]

Great reasons. Even all pure sine inverters are not built the same. Wagan Tech pure sine inverters have a less than 3% THD, so they're even cleaner energy. Our inverters are used in military, first responder, and government applications.

[@alexandercrash2191]

But I do want to add, as I've tested this for over a month, my pure sine wave inverter charges my msi katana no problem.

[@chaon93]

@@alexandercrash2191 Yeah, newer power supplies are far more efficient, but also more sensitive to bad power. Thankfully pure sine wave inverters are a lot cheaper these days than they used to be as well. I have a lot more peace of mind with a pure sine wave inverter.

[@curtchase3730]

A MSW "will" operate nearly any device rated for standard line voltage, BUT not as good as a PSW inverter. Everything, but maybe a heater or old fashioned light bulb will take a performance hit from a MSW inverter, as much as 20% loss compared to a real sine wave AC source. If you try to measure the output voltage from a typical modified sine wave inverter with a standard cheap multimeter, it will read around 108-112 volts. It is showing an average voltage level. To prove a point, take 2 inverters, one MSW, one pure sine wave both rated at least 1000 watts. Plug a vacuum cleaner into one of them, listen to the noise. Then plug vac into the other one and listen again. When plugged into the PSW inverter, vac will run faster than when plugged into the MSW unit! Like the video says, a pure sine wave inverter will cost more than a MSW, but nowadays it's not 2 or 3x the price. Another downside of a pure sine inverter, is that it draws more idle current than a mod sine unit. Those low frequency (iron transformer) heavy jobbers are really pigs. Always tradeoffs.

[@WaganTech]

Very well said, Curt! Another good test is with a fan. A fan plugged into an MSW inverter will have a "humming" sound. When plugging the same fan into a PSW inverter, the humming sound won't be present.

[@curtchase3730]

@@WaganTech Hey, thanks for the reply! So true on the fan! Done that too. Plus, the motor may run hotter to boot.

[@CTCAdventures]

Thanks for your honesty and expert insight. It seems all we hear is horror stories of using the dreaded MSW. The PSW is a great tool for as you say "the right application". I'm sticking with my 10+ year old MSW that hasn't let me down!

[@WaganTech]

Thanks for your comment! It's the truth, MSW is great for most applications be it commercial, industrial or recreational! I'm a big fan of PSW since it works with everything and is more efficient, but if it works, it works!

[@erniethenerd8495]

will MSW be safe for guitar amps - planning to use for busking?

[@WaganTech]

@@erniethenerd8495 it should work just fine. You may get some humming noise from the speakers, but it shouldn't be noticeable while you're playing.

[@david-tracy]

LIKED & COMMENTED because you're responsive in the comments sections.

[@WaganTech]

I appreciate that... just trying to spread knowledge!

[@david-tracy]

@@WaganTech well it's workin!

[@Experts_Say]

Should I buy a modified sign wave converter to run a cool box in a cabin on a solar system, forever? ...and a small TV?

[@WaganTech]

I don't see why it would be a problem as long as you buy a quality inverter!

[@Barkley1835]

The fact that Justin replies to viewers inquiries made me subscribe without question. Anyway, I have a 1500W MSW inverter and currently learning what can I use it for. I bought it mainly to lessen my electric consumption from the grid and aid my electric needs when there are power outages. Learned it the hard way that a 7Ah battery would only last you a couple of minutes and the other two 40Ah lead acid batteries I have needs to be overhauled. The other one won't take charge and the other just discharge by itself really quick. I am thinking on investing on a 150Ah solar battery but it would cost me couple hundred dollars. It would be nice to be able to run at least one room on pure solar.

[@WaganTech]

Aliah, thanks for the love, I truly appreciate it and I love engaging with the people who took the time to watch the video! If you need help determining what size battery bank would fit your needs, add up the wattage that your room uses in a day and shoot that number over; I can give you an estimate of what Ah battery bank you'll need. Additionally, look into getting multiple batteries or even wiring 6V batteries in series to get the battery bank you desire (you don't necessarily have to use only 1 battery in your set-up)! -Justin

[@Barkley1835]

@@WaganTech Thank you so much, man! That's actually smart! Maybe I'll buy batteries(20-40Ah) one at a time so I don't have to spend one time on a single battery. Will it be fine to connect five 40Ah batteries in parallel? That way, I would have a 200Ah battery set instead of a single 150Ah or 200Ah battery. Total wattage for my room is 633W. Mainly lights, chargers and two inductive loads, a fan and a 3D printer with peak power at 270W. I tried to open the printer power supply connected to the inverter but it doesn't turn on. What more is instead of low voltage beep the inverter doesn't beep at all but gives off a small tricking sound. I immediately disconnected it since it doesn't sound good if it last any longer.

[@WaganTech]

​@@Barkley1835 You can connect 5 of the 40Ah batteries in parallel and it will work fine for powering your inverter, but you'll have trouble charging them. If you connect a battery charger to the first battery, it will fully charge, but each sequential battery will receive less of a charge and won't ever fully charge; I would only recommend charging a max of 2 connected batteries in this battery bank set-up. As for the inverter, is it one of ours? If so, which model? The 3D printer uses a heated assembly (hot end) and can be problematic with MSW inverters. If possible (and can be done by a trained professional), I would check the inverter's fuse(s).

[@gelo1238]

Propably to late but make sure you will use proper batteries. Typical lead-acid batteries used in cars cant be fully discharged and their life span will decrease drasticly every time you do that.

[@lauramerrill4783]

My house has run off a modified sine inverter for all of its 25 years, with only a couple of hiccups. First, I can't install a regular commercial washing machine, because it gets to a certain stage of its (computer-run) cycle, and shuts off. So I go to the laundromat, or I could buy a very expensive Stabler washing machine, which I know works. The latest issue has been the Ninja Creami. Just won't run. I have to use a generator to make it work. Would a small, plug-into-my-main-system pure sine wave inverter solve the problem?

[@WaganTech]

Laura, excellent question! If you were to feed that Ninja through a quality PSW inverter, it shouldn't have an issue running (nor should the commercial washing machine either).

[@diymco2728]

I want to buy a MAFELL ERIKA 85 table saw. This is VERY EXPENSIVE (USD$8,000) MADE IN GERMANY. US distributor is saying you can't use a generator/ inverter because it will mess up a special computer board in motor. It is a 230V / 12.6 amp motor. I find it hard to believe that you can't use a generator / inverter. Is this the Sine wave issue or could it be something else?

[@WaganTech]

Thanks for your Q. I a not sure why they'd say that... contact them about it and please reply with their reason here!

[@diymco2728]

@@WaganTech thanks! I will! They have you to reply! Argh!

[@colintarirah5572]

Concise & informative! Great interaction with your audience too, keep it up, you've earned a sub

[@WaganTech]

Awesome! Thanks for your comment, Colin!

[@nikolairainbow9454]

I've definitely have had issues with modified sine wave inverters for my laptops, I've had it cause the mouse to jump around and some weird stuff like that. More electrical noise, I definitely think it can cause problems for a laptop

[@WaganTech]

In general, I wouldn't recommend MSW inverters for use with sensitive electronics like computers. However, laptops are usually ok since they have a transformer built in that "smooths" out the incoming current. Of course, this isn't always true for all inverters/laptops as you may have found. If the inverter was one of ours, it most likely would have worked just fine with your laptop.

[@Gameon501-op3wv]

Excellent presentation and explanation.

[@WaganTech]

Thanks!

[@ladyqd1188]

Grertings: Your video is very insightful and I appreciate you taking the time to share hour knowledge of these inverters....

[@WaganTech]

Glad it was helpful!

[@randybird9979]

if you have one of these new type refrigerator that converts the AC to DC , they call them inverter refrigerator, can one of these type run ok on the modified sine wave inverter, I have a 5000 watt wagan, got it before I knew about the pure sine wave, now I am wishing I had the pure sine wave

[@MaxxSteele]

Most modern electronic equipment actually operates on DC. They either have a wall wart that converts the AC to DC or they have an internal AC to DC circuit with full wave bridge rectifier. Does a power supply really need a pure sine wave to preform as needed.

[@WaganTech]

You are correct that most electronic equipment runs on DC. The answer to whether it needs a pure sine wave or not is not as simple as it seems. We've tested a bunch of transformer power supplies with a multitude of inverters and have found that some transformers do not work well with modified sine wave.

[@nathanielidowu15214]

Thanks for the explanation. I have 2000w modified sine wave inverter and having listened to your explanation, I don't want to trash it. Can I continue to use it basically to charge phones battery? Please answer ASAP

[@WaganTech]

That should be fine

[@jeremybrannon5790]

I drive an 18 wheeler. I have 2 truck stop inverters running my electronics and appliances. My appliances are running fine as far as I know but my 43' tv and my ps5 hum while I'm using them. I'm thinking I need a pure sine wave inverter. Thoughts?

[@WaganTech]

Jeremy, Let's talk about that PS5 and 43" TV in an 18 wheeler?! That is AWESOME!!! As you suspect, that electrical noise is likely made by the sine wave produced from your inverters. But, before you go and drop all that cash on a new inverter, there are some options to consider. You can try using ferrite rings on the power supply line, they're inexpensive and can reduce line noise. You may want to look into devices called "noise/line/supply/EMI" filters (usually $10-20). Although these are more intended for alternator/ignition signal filtering, they can often have beneficial effects on inverter/appliance noise filtering. It is possible that the inverter is emitting an electrical noise (EMI), shielding the electronics may help. Additionally, make sure that you are using large enough gauge cables to the inverter and that you are using the inverter's grounding terminal correctly (to a chassis ground). Alternately, you may opt for a quality PSW inverter and be done with the interference completely.

[@MattSoares42]

Great video. I would like to know the following: If you do have an power adapter AC/DC (like with scanners, laptops and printers), is it safe to assume that a MSW will not cause any problems to electronics plugged to it?

[@WaganTech]

Short term, MSW is fine, but if you use it regularly, definitely consider using pure sine inverters instead.

[@mdshahanur536]

Sir, I want to know, Can I charge my laptop and phone using MSW Inverter?

[@WaganTech]

Technically yes. Your phone can charge via USB so it isn't a problem. Laptop, we recommend eventually moving to PSW.

[@arbastefan2026]

Verey Simply and Nice, good job

[@WaganTech]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@chefchutardo5215]

I need an inverter to power my sump pump during power outages. My sump pump works fine but i have noticed it sounds different. I read that pure sine wave is more efficient. Is it the inverter that is more efficient or does my sump pump motor use more power on a modified sine wave ??

[@WaganTech]

If you're using a MSW inverter on the sump pump, the different sounds it is making is likely due to the inverter switching from the modified sine wave. This is normal operation, but would go away if you used a PSW inverter.

[@j.d.anderson6710]

Very informative and explained in layman terms . Thank you for the video.

[@WaganTech]

Thanks again for your comment!

[@sageand94]

Mostly anything with some diodes leading to caps / AC/DC converter power supplies should be fine running off modified sine wave. Don't quote me

[@user-tm5cf4ii8q]

Thanks😊

[@WaganTech]

It's my pleasure ♥

[@rollinronin8125]

It would be good to solidly know the best. I repeat BEST case scenarios and devices and appliances that would do well with a MSW inverter.

[@WaganTech]

For most people with occasional use and limited budget, MSW is just fine. If the inverter is being used as the workhorse for sensitive electronics, motor driven devices, or similar, we recommend PSW. Look for ones that are UL/ETL certified for safety and reliability.

[@paulogbanje8472]

Thanks for this info, im so grateful 🙏

[@WaganTech]

You are so welcome

[@kimritter4441]

What size inverter do I need to run a 1.5 hp well pump off grid?

[@coamincruz1048]

There are frequent backouts where I live and I am looking for something that can recharge my CDP 1000w UPS whenever it drains. I don't know if the UPS will have issues with the MSW option. I also want to be able to turn on the 6A Fridge if the blackout is longer than one/two days. Thanks for your help!

[@coamincruz1048]

BTW - I'm considering the Slimline 1500

[@WaganTech]

@@coamincruz1048 Unless you have a battery bank in place already or are planning on buying one, I don't know if an inverter is right for you. The UPS should be able to be charged via an inverter (most UPS have a switching power supply included with them) - but how are you going to power the inverter? If your fridge draws 6A @ 120V, then it is about 720 watts and will work well with a slimline 1500. If you have a way to power the inverter, then I think you'll be fine.

[@robertcoleman-pv7cf]

What size fuse would go to the power drive 3000 w the battery to a fuse and been a fuse to the unit 3:47 3:47 3:47

[@WaganTech]

If you're in a 12V system, a 3000w inverter will require a 400A fuse. Good luck!

[@lazurm]

I wonder if a modified sine wave inverter is safe to use for a smart LiFePO4 battery charger.

[@WaganTech]

They should be just fine

[@exiledmindspodcast8120]

I have a question. Do you get all of the power from both types of inverter? I am wondering if I have a1000w inverter does that mean I can use five 100w devices and be putting the inverter under 50% of it's load capacity because 5x100w=500w that seems obvious to me. However, an ebay listing for a 1000w inverter threw me in a loop talking about how you have to buy one that is rated several times higher than what you want to use. I want to know if this is true? is it a pro tip for modified sine to offset any potential issues? Or is this simply a marketing tactic to get me buying more than what I need to part with extra cash? It didn't seems right to me so thought I would ask. Thanks.

[@WaganTech]

This is a great question and is semi-easily answered! Most inverters on the market will claim to output a specific wattage (like 1000W), but are only able to output that amount for a short amount of time (like 20 mins) before they have to start dropping - sometimes the drop is as much as 25%! We coined the term "TrueRated Power" to let our customers know that the power output printed on the inverter is the actual output that it will supply for at least 24 hours straight... in other words, our inverter says "1000W" and it will output 1000W. To keep the inverter in the optimal performance range, I suggest buying an inverter that is about 15-20% higher wattage than what you need. If you have a 500W load (or 5x100W devices), then I would suggest an inverter that is about 600W (if it's one of ours). Another issue that other manufacturers use is printing the "peak" or "surge" wattage as the inverter's name. This is misleading because you go out to buy a 1000W inverter and then find out that it is "1000W Peak" which won't power your required load. This is why we try to be transparent and helpful so our customers know exactly what they're buying. If you want to read more about our TrueRated Power, click here: wagan.com/blogs/news/what-is-truerated-power

[@waseem8830]

@@WaganTech I think that one of the companies should put official marks proving the efficiency of the inverter, just as you find in some power supply devices, 80 PLUS Bronze, Silver, Gold & Titanium

[@jamesmancine8350]

Considering the majority of inverters are manufactured overseas, what really is it that costs so much more to produce a psw over a msw, besides a few extra computer control boards manufactured by a robotic device with minimal hands on assembly? I've seen plenty of inverter components and video breakdowns including the Wagon brand and they all seem to have more in common than different.

[@WaganTech]

James, you bring up a really good point. For the most part, you are right; an inverter is an inverter with no discernable differences between models/brands/etc. to the untrained eye. When you really get into the inverter, you'll see major differences in components: quality/lifespan/ and most importantly lifecycle. The first thing you'll notice with our inverters is the conformal coating. This is not something that every manufacturer does as it adds costs, but it adds weather-resistance, protects the circuit board (from stuff like dusts), and increases the overall life and reliability of the unit. Component quality is another benchmark. Cheap components breakdown quickly and tend to fail early. We commonly see this with less expensive brands; the components will work for a few months, and then cease operation altogether rendering the inverter useless. Our inverters source reliable quality components that are tested and duty-cycle rated to perform at or above our standards. They are run at thousands of cycles and for weeks upon end to ensure that they can handle the loads applied to them. Another important factor is over-rating components to handle the use/misuse often applied by the human hand. Another critical aspect of inverter manufacturing is ensuring that the components are correctly sized to handle the task. We've seen lesser inverters running barely capable capacitors/transformers that will only handle the correctly sized load - if overloaded, they become damaged and no longer work. They'll use a 17V component because its cheaper, while we'll use a 24V unit to handle the occasional overload because it's better. Another performance factor is the actual output of the inverter. This is a HUGE one! Many (if not most) inverters will claim a wattage on the unit, but is unable to sustain that wattage for any useable length of time. This is the reason that we coined the term "TrueRated Power" - TrueRated Power is Wagan Tech’s coined term for truth in advertising and performance. While actual output wattage of competitor’s inverters varies greatly, Wagan Tech inverters help consumers to understand and trust that the number printed on the inverter is the actual output of the device (and will sustain that output load for at least 24 continuous hours). Lastly, we have "boots on the ground" in the factory who are constantly testing the units to ensure that each one can handle the use it was intended for. Quality Control is ultra important to us; we live by the "buy once, cry once" motto - we want you to have an inverter that is only installed once and never has to be messed with again.

[@whyguitarguy1]

Hello, I have a 3000w modified sine wave inverter hooked up in my semi truck to the batteries below. Can I use a mini fridge inside 24/7? As long as the truck is crancked and running? My last mini fridge stopped working after a day or 2 of having it hooked to the inverter. But I'm not sure if it was because the fridge went bad, or too much power. It didn't show watts on fridge, but it did say 120v. Please help. Thanks in advance!

[@WaganTech]

Is the inverter one of ours? 3000W is plenty for the mini-fridge to get power from, so there'd be no problem there. Even if the engine isn't running and the inverter is connected to the batteries, the fridge will still get power and will operate just fine as long as it isn't getting a voltage spike. If the inverter isn't one of ours, the MSW could be a culprit too.

[@burwillklazen7889]

Is possible to use pure sine wave and modified sine inverter in parallel.

[@WaganTech]

No, and I wouldn't try it!

[@IMadeOJ]

Will modified sine wave ups mess with my signal connection on my router

[@senzuka_se]

i bought a 500w continuous 1000w surge psw inverter, but on the specsheet it says normal operating voltage is 10-15.5V. my battery is a 4S Li-ion 16.8v, how do i modify this inverter to work with that voltage range or how do i step down the voltage? i cant seem to find 500w dc-dc step down boards.

[@WaganTech]

Usually Lipo batteries have a BMS (Battery Management system) that will regulate the voltage down to mimic a standard 12V battery. What brand is the battery that you have?

[@senzuka_se]

@@WaganTech oh mine are individual pkcell 18650 cells, i arranged them myself in 4s4p, and yes it also has a bms, although the output is still 16.8v

[@WaganTech]

@@senzuka_se you'd then have to add a buck converter to bring the voltage down to the acceptable range for the inverter.

[@Apophiz-m6e]

Hi, great video, I was using my laptop on a modified 1500 watts sine wave inverter, the laptop's charger was making a buzzing noize, that I wasn't experiencing on normal electrical wall socket, I want to know if it is still safe to work on my laptop even with the buzzing noize from the charger, by the way my battery is old so I keep thw laptop plugged to the charger all the time

[@WaganTech]

Technically, there shouldn't be a safety issue, but if your laptop power supply is buzzing, it will mean it'll run hotter and less efficient. You might want to consider upgrading to a Wagan Tech Pure Line inverter if you're able.

[@Apophiz-m6e]

@@WaganTech thank you🫡

[@petecoventry6858]

Yeah but it can also be 2-4 times more expensive to get the equipment fixed.. I use PSW everytime

[@WaganTech]

Pete, I agree with you especially if it is a sensitive item. For those using inexpensive appliances (like a TV, fans, blenders, electric chain saw, water pump, etc.), MSW can be a good alternative.

[@mfarhanalipakistani]

My phone touch while charging is not functioning correctly while charging on inverter but on AC it works very correctly, is it is the sign of modified sine wave because we do not know what type of wave does our inverter gives.

[@WaganTech]

Hi there, you might have to have a local electrician take a look at it just in case, because it could be a myriad of reasons why that is happening. Good luck!

[@ruimvp]

Thank you for your explanation. There is a difference in using an induction motor vs brush motor with MSW inverters, or should i avoid connecting motors to MSW inverters?

[@WaganTech]

Thanks for watching and your question! Induction motors use high inductive loads so they will be harder to start than brushed motors. Just make sure you oversize the inverter to overcome this.

[@shinobyninja1281]

What inverter you will need for a air tire compressor with AC cord

[@WaganTech]

Take a look at the air compressor and it should say what the wattage or amperage required to power it is (somewhere on it should say something like "110-120v" and "100w" or an amperage rating like "2.3a"). If the wattage is listed, then you'll know what size inverter you need... If it says "100w", then add the 20% as suggested in the video, and get an inverter that's 120 watts or greater. If it has an amperage listed, multiply that number to the voltage. Let's use the 2.3 amps example that I gave earlier, and it would be 2.3 x 120 (amps times voltage equals watts) to get 276 watts. Add the 20% to that and you would get around 331w.

[@elmerbaao4205]

hi sir good day, can i use a MSW inverter 500 watts to a nebulizer?

[@WaganTech]

Elmer, for medical devices, I would strongly recommend using only Pure sine Inverters.

[@ozarktreasures8044]

I have two questions: First, will a modified sine wave inverter effectively lower a soldering iron? And Second, I am considering a 750 watt inverter in case I need to power anything else, so will the current draw on my battery be proportional to the load? (ie will the inverter draw less amps when powering the 40 watt iron as opposed to a higher wattage load? Thanks.

[@WaganTech]

Hi there, yes it will effectively power a soldering iron. You're also correct in that the inverter will only draw what is being required of it. A smaller load will draw less from your battery than a larger load.

[@michaeljackson7361]

I use grinders with an 800 watt. I power a small freezer with it also. Just not at same time.

[@benaplokcampandgo]

is it safe to use a modified sine wave inverter to a mac air laptop? thanks

[@WaganTech]

I cannot tell you with certainty that it is safe. Quality MSW inverters won't have a problem with it. For computers, I would always recommend a PSW inverter.

[@benaplokcampandgo]

@@WaganTech thanks for the reply. But how can you tell or identify if it is a Pure sine wave inverter? Like i have right now a 3000w inverter, but it has no specs in it indicating that it is a pure sine inverter. It just says the brand (LTE) and the watts (3000w).

[@WaganTech]

If it's not listed, it's more than likely a MSW inverter. I would contact the manufacturer to be sure.@@benaplokcampandgo

[@benaplokcampandgo]

is it ok if i use AVR? I will plug the AVR to the inverter first to have a stable current, then the laptop plug to the AVR? @@WaganTech

[@WaganTech]

The AVR wont affect the sine wave itself; which would be the cause for the potential problem. Most inverters have some sort of voltage regulation built-in, so the AVR would be redundant.@@benaplokcampandgo

[@michaelcosentino8271]

Would a modified sign wave inverter be good enough for an 18v battery charger and fridge or chest freezer? What about a window shaker AC?

[@WaganTech]

Hi Michael, an MSW inverter would work well on the fridge/chest freezer and on an window AC unit. As for the 18V battery charger, it is hit or miss. It seems some battery chargers will work on MSW, some will not.

[@RTXArun]

should I use modified sine wave inverter for my laptop for all the time ?? will it damage my laptop?? please reply

[@WaganTech]

For the most part, a laptop would work, but if you plan to use an inverter extensively with your computer, etc., we recommend a Pure Line inverter for longevity since the electricity coming out is closer to what you get from your home.

[@ObengJames-w7s]

Can I use my modified sine wave to power my pc

[@allankafue455]

How can you tell which is which before buying ?

[@Azam_Pakistan]

I was looking for a longer list of MSW compatible devices. Please tell about Laptops(supposed to be sensitive) , TV, Fans, Led lights, mobile phone chargers. That's what most of us would definitely need. Also do MSW inverters consume more energy than PCV? I wan to use this with solar panels?

[@WaganTech]

Unfortunately there is no definitive list of devices that will work with modified sine wave inverters. Depending on how the wave is created and the components within the inverter, a device may work with one brand MSW inverter but not with another. Almost all inverters can handle a tv, fans, LED lights, and mobile phone chargers... Our modified sine wave inverters work with nearly all laptops.

[@africantech5]

Fan will produce little Humming sound

[@stevencarsonjr.1687]

I have a Hobart stickmate 160 inverter stick welder. It will run on 120 volt or 240 volt. And the 120 volt it will weld up to 80 amps. It will plug into a 20 amp circuit. What would be the best inverter for that wattage wise and a modified sign wave or a pure sine wave?

[@WaganTech]

I took a look at the specs on the @NorthernToolCo website and I see that it has an adjustable amperage range as you stated. 20-80A @120V would be 2400-9600 watts. If you're going to be staying at the lower end, I would recommend a 3000W inverter. Take note, the inverter will have to offer high output terminals as most inverters 120V AC outlets won't be able to handle 2400W+. If you're wanting a modified sine inverter, our ProLine series is made for you.

[@datuaaronsinubangan315]

Sir is it ok to use msw inverters to efan (daily used) Washing machine (Every other day use) or can i use these appliances not simultaneously

[@WaganTech]

It is ok to use multiple appliances at the same time as long as you have the battery power to support this and an inverter that is appropriately sized to handle this.

[@sageand94]

Motors tend not to like MSW much. Depends on the motor and inverter as to whether it'll work at all though. Washing machine will be drawing hella power though, might as well get a quality product...

[@tidorazz4462]

Do the modified or pure sign wave inverters still draw power from the battery when they are not in use?

[@WaganTech]

Hi Tido, Yes, all electronics will inherently draw power when not in use. The only way to combat this is to physically disconnect or power off the device.

[@tidorazz4462]

@@WaganTech There a kill switch you can recommend? I'd me concerned it would kill my car battery.

[@WaganTech]

@@tidorazz4462 Most of our inverters come with a power switch; you won't have to install your own. You only have to worry about parasitic draw if the inverter is idling.

[@mohamadtheking9134]

I have the modified sine wave one is it safe to run a pc on it??

[@mohamadtheking9134]

With 400 psu

[@WaganTech]

I can't give you a definite answer on that; it depends on the inverter and the power supply that the PC uses. The only real way to know would be to test it. For sensitive electronics, I would always go with Pure Sine Wave.

[@mohamadtheking9134]

Psu from thermaltake

[@mohamadtheking9134]

And the inverter from TBE 1500W

[@JimmyWestra]

Can I use an MSW with a power REGULATOR to smooth out the 'current to the appliance since I have a power regulator keeping the voltage completely stable for sensitive equipment needing a steady 119 to 121 v at all time that has 8 receptacles?

[@WaganTech]

What type of regulator are you looking at? Our voltage range is about +-5%, so it may still be ok with your needs (just outside of the range). If you need something stable, it sounds like PSW would be a better bet.

[@ServingMyJesus]

I want to busk using my 150 watt guitat combo. Which inverter would be best, please? Thank you.

[@WaganTech]

If your entire setup only draws 150 watts, then a perfect option would be the Pure Line 400W (wagan.com/collections/power-inverters/products/pureline-400) or the less expensive Elite 200W Pro (wagan.com/collections/power-inverters/products/elite-200w-pro) inverters. These are the cleanest options for the power you need as they're Pure Sine inverters. 20% off right now using "A135" at checkout!

[@edwardroche2480]

When I run my mini refrigerator freezer on a pure sine wave it only uses between 40 and 60 Watts. When I run it on a modified sine wave it runs between 60 + 80. It appears that it uses 20 less Watts. Have you any information on this phenomena.

[@WaganTech]

Edward, This is a common occurrence when using MSW inverters and can be attributed to a lot of different things. 20W more on a device that only pulls 60W seems excessive to me, but I'm sure it can happen (usually I would only maybe see somewhere between 5W-10W variance at this low of a wattage draw).

[@edwardroche2480]

@@WaganTech I have a watt meter monitoring my electric use on the refrigerator. They only cost about $10. It tells me how many Watts the Ryobi pure sine wave generator is putting into the refrigerator, and it tells me how many Watts the Jupiter 1000w. Inverter is putting into the refrigerator. It also takes a much higher surge to get it going on the modified sine wave inverter. The difference really is a lot. I live in the Florida Keys and it's pretty warm down here. Right now the refrigerator is drawing 62 Watts from the MSI and it does go down to mid-fifties at night. But never down to the 40 that the pure sine wave generator put out. Truth

[@derekjeftha6479]

@@edwardroche2480 Most likely your wattmeter reading is incorrect as these instruments are often calibrated for sine wave currents

[@elguapo7722]

My inverter gave off a burning smell. Now it turns on but anything plugged into it has no power. What could this be? Maybe internal fuses? Do you just open up the unit and change the fuses?

[@WaganTech]

Was it overloaded, over-heated, or got damaged? My guess would be the internal fuses. I would take it to a certified electrician and have them open the unit up to see what the issue is. If it is one of our inverters, then locating the fuses will be easy - easy to inspect and replace too.

[@MrSharK97]

I have MSW 1500w installed on my Rv and when I plug in my laptop/projector they make noice from the charger. Does that gonna harm my electronics in any way or is it safe to use? Thanks for the great video

[@WaganTech]

Mr. Shark, An electrical "hum" is normal when using an MSW inverter. This is due to the harmonics/frequency and the sine wave itself. Are you plugging your projector/laptop into a GFI outlet or directly to the inverter? The GFI can create a humming noise. Is there a box on the laptop/projector's power cord (switching power supply)? If so, these will usually filter the incoming power and create a buzzing noise while doing so; which is safe to use.

[@استغفراللهوأتوباليه-ر6ث1ر]

Hello sir , I want to know what is the full list of devices that msw inverter cant operate them ( can’t let them work )

[@WaganTech]

For the most part, MSW Inverters can operate nearly any device. The only time that you may experience issues is with rheostat or dimmer switch controlled devices, some CFL bulbs, and some clocks. There is no comprehensive list as some devices may work with one unit but not another.

[@استغفراللهوأتوباليه-ر6ث1ر]

Wagan Corporation thank you very much I really appreciate your big help , I wish you the best 💐🌹

[@WaganTech]

@@استغفراللهوأتوباليه-ر6ث1ر Absolutely my pleasure. Let me know if you have any other questions, take care!

[@استغفراللهوأتوباليه-ر6ث1ر]

Wagan Corporation is there an simple equation for calculating the size of cables between panels and controller

[@WaganTech]

@@استغفراللهوأتوباليه-ر6ث1ر Are you referring to solar panels and the solar charge controller?

[@CG-Outdoors]

So I have a modify inverter and it’s in my conversion van and my TV sound fluctuates. Is there any fix for this?

[@WaganTech]

Are you sure it is not the TV that is having the problem? I've never heard of this happening even with really junky inverters. Usually if the inverter is the problem, I would see the TV turning off on it's own, not fluctuation of sound. Maybe the inverter is surging where it is giving lower power to the TV causing it to fluctuate? Try a different TV to eliminate that variable.

[@AnnoyedTrucker]

Question: Would a surge protector be helpful in keeping a proper current and voltage?

[@WaganTech]

Usually a surge protector is used downstream of the inverter and is a good choice to use in conjunction. The inverter can handle fluctuations, so anything upstream isn't really needed on a standard vehicle setup (other than a fuse/circuit breaker).

[@LearningBD24]

can i use desk top pc with Modified Sine Inverter for a long time?

[@WaganTech]

You can, but I would not recommend anything less than a pure sine wave inverter for use with computers.

[@bd3155]

What type of pure sine wave inverter do I need to run 2 sewing machines and 1 lamp?

[@WaganTech]

Do you know what the combined load (in amps or watts) is for those items? Look on the items themselves, they will state something like: "120V, 4A, 60Hz"

[@Kinlak]

Would a modified sine wave be safe to use on a desktop pc if the power doesn't go out very often? (Maybe 1-2 timss a year.)

[@WaganTech]

I cannot recommend using a MSW inverter on complex electrical systems such as a computer.

[@diegotufano7486]

Clear and effective!

[@WaganTech]

I appreciate your comment Diego!

[@daniellewis6231]

Would a new power a little hypertough air compressor that is 120v 1.7 amps?

[@WaganTech]

I'm not sure what your question is?! 120v @ 1.7A is 204 watts. You can power this device off of a 250W or greater inverter.

[@gnanasribandara9214]

Can a modified sine wave be converted into a pure sine wave? If so, how? Your video is very valuable.

[@WaganTech]

No they cannot be changed. The internals between a modified sine wave and a pure sine wave inverter are significantly different.

[@ronz101]

Why bother. They can be cheap enough to purchase. Now ya' got two, your bases covered snd no big headaches. Cheers. 🥂

[@abdullahibnezubayer4541]

Can i use modified sign wave for cc TV camera and routers? Is it safe? Thank you

[@WaganTech]

Yes and yes. Our preference is pure sine if you’re going to be running the devices 24/7, though.

[@hishamplays6278]

Hello, i have a pc that need approx 550 to 600 watt psu, and it's an active pfc psu, and i have an 1500 va ups, i hear buzzing from the psu when the ups is in backup mode, can it damage it? Thr backup is usually for 20 to 30 seconds

[@WaganTech]

Thanks for your question! It is really hard to say whether it is damaging it or not. Is the UPS a modified sine wave? If so, I wouldn't recommend that you use it on sensitive devices like a computer.

[@michalis5817]

Can i charge my smartphone in an emergency with Modified Sine Wave inverter ? Thank you

[@WaganTech]

Michalis, On our inverters it is perfectly safe to charge your smartphone on a MSW inverter... most of our have USB ports too!

[@mitch5077]

I have a Swamp Cooler, is it ok to use a Modified Inverter?

[@WaganTech]

Generally a swamp cooler is nothing more than a fan blowing over cold coils, ice, water, or some other cooling/evaporative medium. If it is only powering a fan, an MSW inverter is a good choice!

[@Coxfame]

2 questions. 1. n your experience, is it safe to use modified sinewave to power up smart tvs, routers and surveillance cameras temporarily like power outage? 2. Whats your thoughts on power conditioning and modified sinewave, is it really delivers clean power?

[@WaganTech]

Hi there! 1. Smart TVs, routers, and surveillance cameras will be fine with a quality MSW inverter. 2. Power conditioners are more suited for removing distortion from transmission and smoothing out THD (Total Harmonic Distortion); since our inverters are held at

[@jamesploscyca6890]

Can I power my central heating during a power outage with a modified sine inverter or do I need pure sine?

[@WaganTech]

It's hard to say as there are lots of variables. Is your system running off of propane/natural gas? Is it fully electric? Most systems work fine off of MSW inverters - your system should be fine using modified sine.

[@Past_Reflection]

Can a gaming laptop be safely used on an MSW inverter? My laptop brick seems to be making a buzzing noise.

[@WaganTech]

I wouldn't recommend it. Sensitive electronics (like computers) should be used with PSW inverters.

[@Past_Reflection]

@@WaganTech so you would consider a gaming laptop sensitive electronic as opposed to a regular laptop being okay to run using a MSW?

[@WaganTech]

@@Past_Reflection I would consider all laptops to be sensitive electronics. I would go PSW with any computer system.

[@MegaMvaldez]

So can I run say a Jupiter 5k inverter not pure sine in my rv with no problem?

[@WaganTech]

It will be fine with most appliances as long as you're not powering a computer, CPAP, or other devices listed here. Sometimes microwaves and other appliances won't work with MSW inverters too.

[@michaeljackson7361]

Thanks sir I appreciate this video I'm building a food trailer with freezer and ovens with electronic pilot lights. Will a modified sine wave work for those? Thanks

[@WaganTech]

Michael, You shouldn't have any issues if you're using a quality MSW inverter for those appliances!

[@erikacoronel7814]

Hi, Can I use one of this 2 inverters for a 1000watt commercial cheese machine and use for about 10h a day. If yes which one do you recommend? Thank you.

[@WaganTech]

You'd want a 1200W Inverter or "grater" (cheese pun!). The PureLine 2000 would be a great choice, but the issue you'd have would be having a battery/battery bank large enough to power the cheese machine for that long. A less expensive option would be our SlimLine 1500W Inverter, though you'd have the same issue with powering the inverter for that long.

[@abdulmuqsittofie949]

Does using a 12v adapter to power my router from my battery inverter setup, use more Ah from the battery than if I ran the 12v from the battery directly?

[@WaganTech]

Is the router 12V DC or 120V AC? When you say "adapter" do you mean something that connects to the battery and has a 120V AC outlet on it?

[@yatkeungho7730]

Can a 1000w modified sine wave inverter power a roughly 600w ordinary rice cooker without problem

[@WaganTech]

I can't say a definitive "yes" for our inverters to work with every rice-cooker in the market, but I have personally used 2 different Wagan Teach Slimline inverters on 3 types of rice cookers and they all worked without issue.

[@sahilshah123]

I can't afford PSV, is it safe to use MSV? And is MSV safe for charge a mobile, laptop, or any other electronic device or run an iron, refrigerator, etc?

[@WaganTech]

MSW inverters from reputable companies are perfectly safe for use with the items you mentioned above. When it comes to inverters, you get what you pay for; I wouldn't buy the 1500W special because it was "$99 with a coupon", it will end up costing you more in the long-run.

[@wsrojas]

Thanks

[@WaganTech]

Thanks to you for watching!

[@kevindailey4412]

great video, i need some help. I have a chest freezer that i want to power while moving so i'm testing in my garage. it's rated at 1.7 amps.I have a 600 watts inverter it runs for around 6 hours then starts beeping and stop the a/c. I checked the battery voltage it seems around 11 volts? I also put a 1500 watt and it did the same thing. My question is why wont it runs the battery down lower? i'm using battery cable from the 12 volt battery to the inverter? Will inverters stop at that voltage? Thanks

[@WaganTech]

Kevin, it depends on the inverter settings. Our inverters usually (depending on the model) will emit an audible "low voltage" alarm at around 10.5V ± 0.5V and then completely shut-down at 9.5V ± 0.5V. We set the threshold at this level to protect the battery from over-discharging (which ultimately increases the battery lifespan).

[@kevindailey4412]

@@WaganTech Thank you!!!

[@WaganTech]

@@kevindailey4412 My pleasure!♥

[@3rdlegbrigade258]

I recently bought a 1000w inverter and hooked it up to my 12v 100ah battery . I was using it to charge up my 750w lithium battery with no problem. Once I completely charged up my 750w lithium battery I swapped it out and try to charge up my 500w lithium battery. It was charging for about 10mins then my inverter started beeping. I ignored it and just let it keep going. Well it shut down and I turned off the inverter then I powered it back on and my inverter just stopped working. Did I damage my inverter or did I damage my lifepov4 battery that I had hooked up my inverter to? I have no experience in these matters. I’m worried that I may have either damaged my inverter or my lifepov4 100ah battery….any suggestions?

[@WaganTech]

Usually if it starts beeping, that means that the voltage is dropping from your battery that is powering the inverter and the inverter is letting you know that you are running out of power (usually alarm is at 10.5V). The Inverter shuts down to prevent over-discharging of your battery at about 10.0V. Both the Inverter and the LiFePo4 battery are fine.

[@3rdlegbrigade258]

Good to know....so I guess I can no longer use this set up as a viable way to charge up my ebike battery if I'm out camping.....any suggestions? Should I get a higher capacity inverter? Like a 2000w inverter? Will that be a better way?

[@WaganTech]

It doesn't appear that the inverter is the problem, rather it is the battery supplying power to the inverter.@@3rdlegbrigade258

[@mehmetfevzisahin7110]

Hı your video very Clear thanks. My questions What is the difference between online UPS Back-Up and sinüs inverter? 2. Can i use online UPS as sinüs inverter? Thanks

[@WaganTech]

Thanks for watching! I am not familiar with a "sinus inverter", I'm sure it's something that I'm missing in translation, but I'm not familiar with the term. As for the ups, some of them have AC outlets built in with a power inverter inside. If there are no AC outlets on the ups, then it probably does not have an inverter inside of it.

[@yatkeungho7730]

I have a used lead acid car battery and a small 5W solar charger. I am going to occasionally use this car battery with the modified sine wave inverter in case of short peroid of power outage. According to your experience : Is it safe to charge the battery with the small charger inside my apartment. What I mean is the hydrogen level.

[@WaganTech]

Is it safe?... probably as long as it is in a well-ventilated area that is constantly monitored. Can I recommend it? No I can't; batteries should always be charged outdoors in a controlled environment.

[@sandystanley1237]

So do pure sine wave operate the same principle as Variable Frequency Drives?

[@WaganTech]

Hi Sandy, a VFD is somewhat similar to a PSW inverter, but they have different tasks that they perform.

[@imthirstyh2o330]

Can I run an electric blanket on a PSW?

[@WaganTech]

Absolutely no problem!

[@shaunmckenna1923]

Hello great video lots of info, I really do not know anything about these. I have bought a camper van for short trips not to live in, I have installed an extra 12v battery its a A/C Delco DC24 professional not sure what the AH are as it does not say some people told me it about 8 AH others have told me its only 68AH but I was also told it can handle a lot of draw, I have a solenoid so when I am driving it will charge and when I am parked there would be no draw from my van main battery. The only things I have are Koolatron cooler ( not a fridge ) I have small 2 cup coffer maker 450 W and a 30W air fan I will maybe add a second fan for 2 people, I also have a 500W heater for cold nights but it would not be running for long just to get the chill off. I have mobile phone and laptop to charge also running 12 inch monitor,I also have for back up Eliminator 2000 amp 700 W . I see there are so many inverters online with all different names they all say about the same thing , The renege 2000W looks good $339.00 Canadian Tire have mod sine 2000W $299.00 . What do you think can I get away with a mod sine of do I need to go with pure sine. Sorry so many questions thank you so much.

[@WaganTech]

Shaun, don't worry about the amount of questions, I am happy to help! AS for the battery, you may want to contact AC Delco. I suspect it is a Group 24 battery - but that won't tell us the Ah (amp-hour) rating of it. It looks like you're not powering more than 500W (unless you are running multiple items at once), so a 2000W Inverter would be too much for your needs. The coffee maker is one of those items that may or may not run of of a modified sine wave, everything else should run of of MSW. The heater and coffee maker would do better on a Pure Sine Wave inverter, I would recommend getting one of those. As for the inverter size needed, I would go for 1000W or less if you'll only be powering one item at a time. If you will be powering the coffee maker and heater at the same time, I would go 1500W. The fan, monitor, and mobile phone are pretty insignificant power loads.

[@shaunmckenna1923]

@@WaganTech Thank you for you quick response I will go with a 1500w . Great video keep up the good work

[@WaganTech]

@@shaunmckenna1923 My pleasure, Shaun! Let me know if you have any other Q's.

[@shaunmckenna1923]

@@WaganTech Yes I do have one more there are so many makes for sale on Amazon most seem to be $200 .00/ $229.00 does it really matter which one to buy are there any one brand you would recommend , Thanks again.

[@WaganTech]

@@shaunmckenna1923 I think Wagan Tech Inverters are the best! Honestly, there are a lot of good brands out there. I would go with a reputable brand that has good customer service and a solid product.

[@alice_35_cacar]

What would be the type of inverter to ideal for desktop computer rated at 600 watts load and a wifi router?

[@WaganTech]

I would definitely go with Pure Sine Inverter. Wifi routers require very little power, usually

[@wpatrickw2012]

How do you tell the difference between the sine and MSW inverter in the store?

[@WaganTech]

Patrick, our devices are clearly labelled. I would think that any Pure sine inverter out there would clearly state that it is PSW. If it's not labelled, I would bet that it is MSW.

[@quickfixengineeringltd8035]

Can I use msw for led tv

[@WaganTech]

You can for the short term, but recommend people to use pure sine inverters long term.

[@ytkdmr]

Can I run a vacuum cleaner with a MSW inverter ?

[@WaganTech]

Shouldn't be a problem!

[@petebull8233]

Im thinking of a Modified sine wave to use for powered speakers and it scares me should I be scared

[@WaganTech]

Pete, if you buy a reputable quality modified sine wave inverter, you have nothing to be worried about. I would still recommend going pure sine wave as it won't have any adverse effects on the speakers output. Some modified sine wave inverters might add some distortion to the speakers (like humming).

[@اسامہبننصیر]

Can we run refrigerator on modified sine wave inverter

[@WaganTech]

It is safe to use an MSW Inverter on a chest freezer. If you want to take away all doubt or worry, then I would go with a quality Pure Sine Wave Inverter.

[@treenugs117]

200w logitech system, 400w peak power would be used on a 300w/600w peak msw converter off amazon. Would this be fine plugged into the car port as long as I'm keeping the system at a neutral volume? I've never rated my system in active wattage during listening sessions but I have to imagine I'm not getting past 50 total watts since the built in amp is fairly powerful and usually requires no more than 25 percent power @ 50 percent bass

[@WaganTech]

FYI, the power/accessory/cigarette lighter port in your vehicle is likely rated at 10 amps or possibly 15 amps... that would only allow 120 watts to 180 watts respectively.

[@treenugs117]

@@WaganTech So whatever the max wattage the port pushes is the max you'd get out of your electronics? I guess what I'm asking is can you contain the speakers (or any driven motor electronic) to not exceed the max watts the port can handle without damaging the fuses. Again my intention is to put the sub in the car which is rated at 135 watts itself, I rarely push the system past a quarter volume

[@WaganTech]

@@treenugs117 What you're looking for would be an adjustable power supply , Variable Voltage Regulator (VVR) or a "power limiter". They have set and adjustable units that you could place in-line to limit the amount of power able to be pulled from the power receptacle. BUT, this may cause unwanted issues with your inverter and other electronics. You'd be better off wiring the inverter to the car's battery.

[@treenugs117]

@@WaganTech Sounds like wiring is the safest bet then, thanks! If I was to go ahead and do something silly like that I'd rather it doesn't affect anything even though my vehicle is worn. 🙌

[@WaganTech]

@@treenugs117 My pleasure! Yep, wiring to the battery would allow you to use the inverter to its full potential and not cause any issues with your car or speaker system.

[@thegreenenergyy]

Can i run a normal home refrigerator or washing machine on 2000w modified sine wave for 2 3 hours?

[@WaganTech]

Both of those units draw around +- 300W (as long as they're modern appliances). You should be able to power those with no problem as long as you have battery power that is sufficient. A quick calculation with a standard battery bank (derating included) would suggest a 140Ah battery bank would be required to power that load for 3 hours.

[@thegreenenergyy]

@@WaganTech thank you very much for your quick response and answering my question..

[@WaganTech]

@@thegreenenergyy You're welcome!

[@mavispatrick3266]

Does modified sign wave reduce device battery lifespan

[@WaganTech]

No, it doesn't!