Purple Poison - Potential CGC grading bias in identifying "Cover Cleaned" comics - Restored Labels

[@WestCoastDAVEngers]

Oh look, cgc is inconsistent once again! Good job turning it from purple to blue! Great video 😎

[@The9.9Newsstand]

Sheesh. Thank you for taking the time to articulate and share this experience!! Very important video.

[@darthrooster1]

That ASM #7 graded at a 3.0 is criminal. There’s no way it should be that low. You’re also scaring me because I have a big book I was going to have cleaned and pressed and now I’m not so sure.

[@epicomicologycomics]

I have had way more wins that I have had losses. These are just the outliers that make for a good story. I am not sure what the deal is with the ASM 7. Usually a 3.0 is reserved for something with a detached cover or big chunks missing. These are what the notes say: Grader Notes large, multiple crease cover breaks color multiple tear cover small, multiple piece out back cover

[@acesontilt77]

Hey there I am diving deep into the PLOD mysteries. Love your videos love your thought process. I cannot agree more with your methodology as well. Im going to submit SIngle PLOD books to CBCS without doing anything to them and see what happens.

[@epicomicologycomics]

I will sy this. I feel like there is a notion in the industry (especially among CGC fans) that CBCS is sub-par in their grading. I don't think that is the case. They have very competent graders, and as such, I don't think that we can expect to "sneak by" any books at CBCS. If anything, there is more inter-grading variability and you have just as much of a likelihood of getting a blue label back if you resubmit to CGC. At the end of the day, covers that are too white (especially compared to the interior cover and pages) and covers where ink has been lightened or accidently removed are dead giverways. I also feel like those books are indeed deserving of a purple label. What I have an issue with is the inconsistency in identifying books that fall into this category.

[@acesontilt77]

@@epicomicologycomics Agree I have had 2 PLODs come in the last 10 subs or so to CGC. Both with Cover Cleaned as the reason. I didnt go crazy just removed stains etc. It didnt look "off" or out of place at all. I subbed 1 of the 2 a month later and not only did i get a blue label i got a FULL grade bump AND pages went from off white to white. THe inconsistency is my BIGGEST issue. I truly believe they look at it from a purely business profit standpoint. If they even suspect with one IOTA or hinkling that its been cleaned! Slap it with the PLOD and let them resub. They get paid twice OR MORE! It disgusts me to no end how there is NOTHING scientific to backup the CLAIM of Cover cleaned. Its like going to court with no evidence against you yet they lock you up without proof! Sick and tired of the rat race and the mind fuckery with CGC. I have NOT had this issue with CBCS. I have not subbed alot there but I have subbed cleaned books.

[@radysnader]

IMO - CBCS is a tougher and more consistent grading company.

[@franktiodor1223]

Hi! I am reading the CGC book "The Official CGC Guide to Grading Comics. You mentioned in the video about possibly it would be better if the CGC gave the comic a conserved grade rather than a restored grade. In your case it is not possible to get a conserved grade on the ASM 129 because what you did was strictly for aesthetic purposes with the cleaning. The only way you can get a conserved grade is if the work done in the CGC's opinion is things that relate to structural integrity. Aesthetic improvements do not qualify for conserved grades. [The Official CGC Guide to Grading Comics-Chapter 7-Page 26]

[@epicomicologycomics]

Thanks for the reference. Ironically, CGC has been handing out conserved labels for these books now. There is a whole discussion about it on the KaptainMyke FaceBook page. I will post the link below. The one thing I know is that CGC is unpredictable! facebook.com/groups/kaptainmykecomicpressing/permalink/2972129602928239

[@sylversyrfer6894]

Awesome reveal!!

[@malus911]

#129 is worth cracking. Good luck! Should have watched to the end. Great bump and thank god... Honestly, I think they should just keep it a blue label with a note saying, cover cleaned, unless, it's extreme/obviously like the Daredevil....

[@epicomicologycomics]

I agree with that 100%. There is a big grey area which is subjective that I feel should keep it a blue. The DD 1 I messed up with ink pull. I agree with that call.

[@iTzREAPER177]

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[@blacklabelminiatures]

If you know (or are pretty sure) it’s going to come back Purple, why not put the extra effort into really cleaning/fixing as much mistakes as you can and attempt to get a Grey label?

[@PiecePusher_Comics]

I have heard from others that submitting lower grade books with higher grade books will bring the higher ones down.

[@sylversyrfer6894]

The ASM was “guilty by association.”

[@DeusExAstra]

I dont understand what is wrong with cleaning a cover. If you're just removing stuff that's not there originally, i.e. dirt/etc, and you dont remove stuff that should be there like, then what's the issue? If I discover a pristine book from 1940 that's perfectly white... are they going to give it a "restored" label because it's too clean?

[@epicomicologycomics]

Honestly, at this point I am not sure. I had a really clean Captain America 111 and a Sg Fury 4 that got slapped with purples because they were whiter than 90% of the books out there. A detailed discussion with CGC cleared that up though. Overall, I think there is line between a purple and a blue. I just feel it should be more objective.

[@Comicbookyoutubersrock]

There is nothing wrong with cleaning, dry cleaning. Which don't result in a purple label. It's been people clean using chemicals you get purple, rightfully so.

[@DeusExAstra]

@@Comicbookyoutubersrock But if they cant tell which was cleaned with dry cleaning and which was cleaned with chemicals, then on what basis do they give a purple label?

[@Comicbookyoutubersrock]

@@DeusExAstraThey can tell. I've submitted books for many years, always dry cleaned, never once a purple label. If you chemically clean, they have tools that can detect that.

[@epicomicologycomics]

@@DeusExAstra I believe that is is based on if it looks "too white" as compared to 1) other copies of the same book, 2) than the inside cover, or 3) than the interior pages. Also, here, I am largely talking about the methods used in the CPR SRW guide, which largely use blue LED light and hydrogen peroxide. We are not talking about chemical baths or things like ImmacuClean.