HORNS THE ULTIMATE HIFI SPEAKERS ? NEW Avantgarde Acoustic TRIO G3

In this video I am in Germany visiting the famous manufacturer of very high end Horn HiFi Speakers and electronics Avantgarde Acoustic. I am here to learn more about horn speakers as they have always fascinated me and I realised recently I knew very little about them.
It turned out that Avantgarde were in their final stages of their new flagship Trio Generation 3 speakers development with a planned 2022 launch. This was an ideal opportunity to spend some time with one of the Worlds best HiFi Horn speakers and a brand new amplifier technology called iTRON
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0:00 Intro
1:18 Meeting Avantgarde
5:15 Trio Gen 3
12:05 New Crossover
17:01 Future Proof
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[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

There will likely be a follow up video with more detail about the the technicals of the speaker, more about the new iTRON amplification and my impression of the sound of the new G3 Trio.

[@TheCharlesAtoz]

Amazing Terry! I can't even imagine buying a system like that.

[@jamband4230]

Yeah, we definitely need full review of these speakers. I love avant-garde speakers. They’re beautiful

[@MusicLover-01]

Did they allow you to record a sound demo?

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

@@MusicLover-01 they would have done yes but I couldn't take all that gear with me on a plane with everything else. I am only one man

[@MusicLover-01]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem Yep your rig is serious stuff! I would have settled for a simple smart phone / gopro recording, maybe for the next one. Hope you had fun with it nonetheless Terry.

[@thomass.9167]

Lots of work on your part but much appreciated by your viewers. Thank you. This is great stuff!

[@markflower8885]

Great video Terry. A fascinating insight into Avantgarde speakers. Also A big thanks to Holger for explaining everything so concisely in a non native language for him . 👍

[@allenh.7373]

Holger is definitely the best part of waking up.

[@maxine2798]

Less estuary English than terry.....

[@anthonyxuereb792]

Once you have listened to horns they are difficult to ignore, they really are an aural experience on a different level.

[@realcrypt1206]

Fantastic, not only do I have a new dream but that was a well done interview. Thank you for giving so much space !

[@johngardner9227]

Another superb video, thanks Terry

[@SimonBrownja]

Fantastic! I have been waiting for someone to do this interview. Hifi goals for sure. 🇯🇲

[@anthonyhopkin]

Excellent interview. Thanks for this - Terry. I too am looking forward to more on this subject. Greetings to you and yours.

[@tweakerman]

Absolutely Excellent video Terry👍

[@glenharvey2419]

Wow, what a fantastic interview and the explanation of horn technology in layman's terms was just great.

[@Anand.Asrani]

Well done Terry ,Fine Speakers,I had seen these speakers on Facebook ...but now understand them so well ...Thanks

[@johnreed6495]

Well done Terry. Your interview with the gentleman from Avantgarde opened my eyes to horn hi-fi speakers. Thank you.

[@mikenoble8517]

One of my greatest pleasures in life is coming home and listening to my Avantgardes duo's. My tube amplification has evolved over the years, from an Audio Valve Conductor preamplifier mated to a Telefunken AD1 triodes SE amp to the current Western electric 91E. That is 25 years and the speakers are still perfect. So do not get discouraged with the price tag. I have said this to so many non HiFi friends you can just read it see it their facial expressions "your crazy. My reply "What I paid, is what you paid for your new car, which has long since gone.

[@m6j159]

Lovely, informative video. What an amazing facility and the CEO comes across as a real gentleman. Brilliant. Thank you.

[@jarekstorm6331]

Love learning more about different speaker designs and the companies behind them. Horns are interesting, like natural analog amplifiers.

[@davidrivera2165]

Three factors to consider when considering Avantgarde horn speakers as they are fully open designed speakers: 1. Listening distance from the speakers 2. Your prefered Listening sound level 3. Prefered music genre. I have a local Avantgarde dealer about one hour away. In my humble opinion, they are great for those who enjoy a lively forward sound, for those who prefer to listen to music at under 80dbs ( more than 80 dbs require a substantial increase in Listening distance), for those who enjoy orchestral music. Lastly, for those who have deep pockets.

[@mehtasid]

Well said. They really never became mainstream because of these limitations. And probably never will.

[@yourtubisfilled7164]

Multi-dimensional pockets even, haha.

[@redleather100]

Wow , the English this man can speak is nothing short of amazing. Terry could you talk to him in German so fluid. 🤔. Awesome product.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Nein!

[@redleather100]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem 🤣🤣🤣

[@vncstudio]

Beautiful speakers! I just love horn speakers.

[@tremolo-einfilmfurgehorlos5697]

Super interesting! We are very happy and lucky that Avantgarde Acoustic supported our film.

[@Fred-ck1gh]

I remember the first time i saw the Trio was at the Frankfurt Airport in December 1995... I was very impressed, today, it would be one of the first thing I would buy if I won on the lottery!

[@manuelrico9455]

Absolutely brilliant interview, fascinating. Thanks so much for sharing, work and effort 👌🎼🎼🎼🎼🎼🎼

[@2HatHudders]

This is awesome!

[@user-tk7kz1fl2r]

Really good interview. The CEO says it from the heart. I've heard of the brand but those speakers are for the lucky few!

[@GeoffParsons1469]

Terry you've outdone yourself with this video, watching on my half decent home cinema system the picture quality you have achieved is truly outstanding. It's literally the best my TV has looked outside of Dolby Vision HDR streaming content. I can see every fibre of Holgers sweater and every hair of your gorgeous ginger beard :)

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Hahaha quality!!!

[@adamcfada5071]

Great video Terry. Am so jealous- would love to hear that set up.

[@AALavdas]

Great video and great speakers.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🤗 YES , MASSIVELY SATISFYING 🤩. THANKS TERRY 😍😍😍

[@reginaldjeannotte8961]

Very interesting. Great interview

[@Raymondey]

Perfect and interesting! 👍

[@timmotel5804]

2/4/2024: WoW. Remarkable. I love horns. I would love to hear them, and the others in their offerings as well as learn much more about them all. This is wonderful. Glad I found this site. Thank You Both & Best Regards.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thanks and welcome, I created a second video with Avantagarde going into more specific speaker details kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6u9i6WrjMZ6gLM

[@sloboat55]

One smart interview. Excellent.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thank you

[@rickp6731]

The Horns Uniwersum MK4 Horn Loudspeakers are the very best we have ever heard WOW ! 😇😇 Heavenly Good ! Maybe our next and last speakers

[@brianbob7514]

That crossover looks great

[@peterferrier5833]

Always enjoyed your reviews. This one was just great. Have quite alot of saving to do. It would've been nice to have had your opinion on the sound. Differences etc.

[@SuperMaximus66]

Wow. That's quite a coup. Beautiful video.

[@proffessasvids]

Love it. They are some excellent horn setups those xx

[@AudioElectronicsChicago]

wow, I love it

[@barryhallsack8852]

I want a pair of these! I really like horn speakers. I just bought my first set of Cornwall 4s. Now I am inspired to save and maybe someday get these works of art!

[@geoffmerrigan6261]

Having heard the Trios then I would say function first and form second. They sound awesomely natural.

[@gt4viking789]

Very interesting Terry, might have to pass on these as I would loose my garden view from my listening position in my dedicated listening room 😂 Well done Peter

[@salvadorrodenas3071]

Your videos surprise me for the good, they are entertaining and offer a range of different aspects of our hobby. Keep on doing a great job.

[@Simon-dn9kv]

That's dedication, being outside short sleeved at these temperatures.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

At 7.30am too it was a touch nippy

[@matthewprentiss1460]

Accidentally auditioned some duos back in 2000. I've been dreaming about them ever since.

[@dr.jamieadamspleasantph.d.1609]

excellent video

[@aarthoor]

I heard some of the DUO XD's recently, they were fabulous and a new thing to aim for, except I need a bigger house first!

[@fabieneldridge3414]

He is right about the first time you listen to horn speakers. In 1975 I got to listen to Klipsch K-Horns with a Marantz receiver and I told my brother in law that I was going to own a system like that. Today and for years I’ve been listening to a Marantz 2325 and Klipsch K-horns with a M&K sub up front on A, B Are Klipsch Belle’s playing as I’m running A+B in my listening room. I will tell you together they produce a Beautiful sound. They Blend and the Music becomes very full and realistic. My Marantz probably No does I’m sure restored as the capacitors are 50 years old . I do pull the cover off and take my air compressor to blow out all the dust and one of my lights went out last year but it still Rocks ! So when he says you will never forget the first time you hear that level of music for the first time I assure you that is the Truth ! I will own my system until I die then my children will own it. I know that they will never forget growing up listening to it. How many times did I hear please Daddy don’t turn it on it’s to loud ! I use to laugh and have them dance . Today I have grandchildren and when they are here it goes for them ! All my children are a gift from G d because they are such loving kind Adults. I think music and laughter had a lot to do with G d Blessing us all ! Alway Celebrate Life !

[@seventeendegree]

Such a great video! I'm looking forward to their more accessible Colibri C2. Funky design! Huge bass module. I'd love to listen to that.

[@timvonr2802]

And next will be, where do speakers go: the answer fully digital active dsp corrected without analog components (beside the driver)… Loved the insights and I think big things coming with new active technology

[@FrankyRedEyes]

I would pay money just to go and listen to these in a hotel type vacation destination business model idea.

[@PAULGRILL]

Impressive speakers and the most epic interview location! Did you bring your DSP to the visit? 😜

[@floh.7803]

I already love the Trio G3😍😍😍 I‘m excited to see the Duo G3, maybe I can replace my Duo XD😆

[@beornthebear.8220]

I read about horn=;faded systems decades ago, and from my understanding, a regular cone driver would cause a lot of inner-horn turbulence because of the timing of the waves as they start through the horn smearing the sound. Very nice system, Avantgarde.

[@gweflj]

It’s fun playing these to musicians and engineers. They get them in a way the average hi-if fanatic doesn’t. I think musicians put dynamics far above plinky-plonky detail focus of the hi-fi industry.

[@snakeoilaudio]

He is definitely not talking trash or marketing blabla. I am a big horn fan, not necessarily Avantgarde but horns in general. I remember when I heard the Trio G1 in the 90s it was exactly the way he described it "you will never forget it". When I heard it in the 90s I thought that this is the least distorted music I've ever heard and I thought that this is the horn sound of the 21st century. I am more into the 20th century sound but that's just me and my personal taste, but undoubtedly they do a lot of things right.

[@michaelpaul9672]

Great stuff! How does it sound?

[@tamil.f.3734]

Modular active system makes a lot of sense. There are not that many amplifiers on the market today that are well optimised for the high sensitivity of horns like the Avantgarde. Is this possible to book a visit to the Avantgarde Acoustic demo room? Or is it just for hi-fi press and influencers? Looking forward to the other parts of the series!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

We talk about this at the end - yes through a dealer customers can go and listen and compare all the speakers for themselves all from the same hifi system.

[@michaelireland7239]

yeah banging speaker, you can not ignore physics sound propegration wave forms low distorion dynamic range , & least we not forget high decibel levels , know wonder it sounds awesome

[@chriswindham9868]

I want the room that these need to go in and then the system.

[@edverbeek6292]

I visited the Avantgarde room at the Dutch Audio Event. I was disappointed by the the source material they played. Avantgarde can do better next time, please.

[@bobb.9917]

I feel like I was transported thru a Sci-Fi, Sound Worm-Hole…to some other galaxy. 👍🏼😎

[@dougg1075]

Wow! Check out there headquarters. I always picture these companies in small little facilities

[@eyeshezzy]

And here i was thinking Klipsch were the horn specialists 😅

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

They dont do spherical horns :)

[@lint8391]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem There's nothing special about spherical horns. Dolly Parton horns, for example make a lot of sense for tweeters.

[@salvadorrodenas3071]

If I don't remember wrongly, was Be Yamamura doing something like this in the 90s? That designer and company used horn loaded speakers with special amplifier technology. What I don't recall is that if he used a feedback of some sort to monitor the displacement of the drivers. This last technology, of the monitoring of the membranes, foremost in bass modules, I think, has been used for Infinity and Martin Logan loudspeaker brands. I pointed out just for background to your followers.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Its not servo technology its a different form of amplification with a defined purpose that is now patented - I will be making another video about it

[@robnorth-1372]

Altec A7-500 ...... stunning ....

[@marclechange8356]

It is great and it offers great flexibilty but if i understand correctly there is a passive crossover in the active version but would it be better to use an active crossover for the sound (more transparency )?

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

no passive crossover in the passive version and then you bypass that totally if you go with the active iTRON amplification

[@marclechange8356]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem ok thanks

[@lint8391]

Going active may well reduce the transparency of a full sized high efficiency speaker system. Because of all the components you're adding to the signal path by adding an active crossover.

[@lint8391]

Avantgarde. Good speakers. For someone happy to house large speakers, the biggest downside is the cost, new and 2nd hand. Plus the bass on their more "affordable" models is not up to the high quality of their midrange and treble. More affordable horn systems that sound good can be had by going down the vintage used / DIY cherry picked USA speaker route.

[@francisdelacruz6439]

It's the real estate space required that could even be more expensive than this wonderful system ...Note that Linkwitz has been doing active crossovers DSP a long time ago enabling one to maximize individual speakers in a system.

[@RIZFERD]

I can't unsee Sousaphone from the speaker

[@myu4039]

:( No sound demo.... Cool objet de'art! Was there any treatment in the listening rooms? Didn't see any in the vid. Thanks! That was super cool!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I couldn't take all my kit with me and I wasn't really there for that

[@mrgiggles7840]

this is one of the best ways there is to spend a hundred grand

[@AGC828]

Thought we'd get to hear them. or have your impressions. Horn drivers e.g. Klipscch have always sounded harsh to me. So I've never liked horn based driver speakers. Prefer ribbon then the traditional cone...

[@max79444]

Look interesting, but if I sited a set in my listening room I would have to be in my neighbour's lounge to listen to them!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I think you are looking at it wrong, put them in your neighbours lounge sit in comfort of your own home

[@max79444]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem You've hit the nail on the head !!

[@johnrevell273]

Hi Terry, we’re you prevented to say what they sounded like?

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

No course not, I felt the video was very long as it is so I couldn't squeeze any more in

[@paulogallo4328]

Hey Terry! Your tour in Hessen wont be completed before you pay a visit to Cessaro Horn Speakers :)

[@sonicplayroompiano4302]

I feel smarter listening to zis guy. Nice vid Terry, looks cold ❄ there. I have never heard a horn speaker. Must be pretty special. Great work! 👍

[@imosolar]

What amplifiers can be used with these speakers

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Any with 109db sensitivity

[@biketech60]

It's not expensive for a sound system , it's very cheap for a time travel machine . Who else can hear Ella Fitzgerald Live in their home ? Or Sviatoslav Richter ?

[@weizenobstmusli8232]

Where is the Amazon affiliate link in the description?

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Hahaha that's another channel that's all about affiliate links not this one 🤣

[@johnwheat5199]

Jesus, when I first saw this stuff, I thought someone was reviewing kitchen utensils!

[@funkyfurballs1078]

A collaboration with MBL Radialstrahler could birth an interesting speaker.

[@siriosstar4789]

There is a particular side of German society of which i have experienced first hand that really enjoys the aesthetics of HiFi . This so called world of aesthetics sometimes borders on the absurd for those without the funds for such things . however if you have absurd amount of cash then you can buy absurd items and enjoy them to the extent that such superficiality allows .

[@DuzBee]

Listening impressions?

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6u9i6WrjMZ6gLM thanks

[@SupaBuma]

love my vintage Klipsch Chorus II's!

[@robertsimpson9403]

When you hear horn, there is no going back, at any live concert it will be horns

[@Bunno1177]

Good video aside from the one untruth told. Horns do not have to be expensive due to the nature of horns. They can and are made for very reasonable prices as are the drivers to mate with them. This is a very poor attempt at justifying very expensive speakers. Having said all this owning a pair of Uno XDs is a goal of mine and I love Avantgarde speakers.

[@peterlarkin762]

11:19 "A horn is very big" Certainly is.

[@aussie8114]

😔 Didn’t get to hear them.

[@philwright7772]

As Monty Python would say Terry..."you luck lucky b******d"!

[@stuclark5081]

Oh……. To fully respect what I ‘assumed’ I would be listening to I watched from the start, fascinated by Holger’s explanations then utterly disappointed by the fact we did not get to experience one of these systems playing. When you conveyed your excitement in “especially listening to it” I was following you on that journey only to end up at ‘Destination Nada’. I fully understand a sound can not be replicated by a KZbin video, however the nuances between traditional & Horn ‘can’ & also your ‘reaction’ to the sound & your description of it would have given this interview a ‘point’. I do not understand why there is no ‘audio experience’ of the predecessor ‘Gen 2’ of this prototype. If I have missed some description & a ‘link’ to a listening/demonstration video that for some reason could not be included in this video then please accept my apologies.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

If it doesnt say sound demo in the title please dont expect there to be one

[@stuclark5081]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem oh it absolutely doesn’t! But a little like a Road Lending Itself To Speed…….. We live in hope! It was a ‘Suggested’ video & with the title being “Horn’s The Ultimate Hi-Fi Speakers?” as a question, I made the assumption there would be at least a ‘taster’ if not an ‘answer’ or ‘opinion’. Now an introduction has been made hopefully a relationship will build & you will be granted permission to post one at some point 🤷‍♂️.

[@julesbarry2081]

This video whilst Interesting, is a bit like someone trying to describing what pie n' mash tastes like.

[@erikalexander6602]

Avantgards are amazing sounding speakers. Unfortunately they’re not only ridiculously expensive, they’re very beamy waterfall plot, and mids and highs drop off like a rock off axis!!! Can’t theoretically move around the room and enjoy the sound , moving around, save sitting nearly directly in front of them!! One sweet spot, specifically. Not forgiving of placement. Only other option is placing them along the short boundary, and carefully towing them in to cover the room better. Otherswise, yeah.. world class sound reproduction in their element

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

That is part of their design to focus the sound towards the listener like a wave guide and not towards everywhere else in the room which is not a good thing, that's how you have more room reflections and lose energy etc. I didnt now that before i attended

[@erikalexander6602]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem That’s a very nice perspective that, of course, suits their design/sales philosophy! The horns are first and foremost made to reinforce and magnify the frequencies for more effortless transient response and overall efficient high sensitivity design for maxim dynamics across the full frequency spectrum, first and foremost! Make no mistake, the whole focused sound for less room reflection boundary interaction is not ideal for a flexible listening environment, period, but, IMO And one can most certainly address room acoustics and setup considerations to make ANY kind of loudspeaker work in a given space, basically!. So I think that “focused sound” position , presented as a design benefit isnt actually what would ideally be desired, all compromises considered. Sure you need less boundary reflection considerations to address with horns, but I’d gladly trade better dispersion if one could get similar dynamic transparency and impact through some other means, if that meant wider dispersion and more natural room filling sound, personally. To ea his own. Like I said, they’re world class for sitting anchored SOLO betwixt the speakers directly centered. Beyond that, no one else gets to enjoy the sound off to the sides. Deal breaker for most of my applications. Then there’s the price…

[@antwake]

#HornhiStory 🤣 Was it intentional? 😉

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

everything is intentional when it makes people laugh :)

[@antwake]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem LOVE IT! thanks for your amazing content Terry!

[@scotthullinger4684]

To me, horn speakers have never sounded the least bit smooth. Rather strident, in fact.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I dont think they are really going for smooth with the design

[@scotthullinger4684]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem - Then what are they going for? Maybe 120 decibels with only 5 watts of power? Because horns are ultra efficient, aren't they?

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

@@scotthullinger4684 it would be 120db at 1 metre from 1 watt with the trio which is crazy when you think about it

[@scotthullinger4684]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem - THAT loud? From just ONE watt of power? Yikes. I'd much rather take super in-efficient from my big Infinity speakers. THOSE speakers are as SMOOTH as silk. Who cares if I sometimes need 200 watts?

[@fullranger3435]

Easy to say horns are nearly perfect IF you don't care much about true imaging. In my opinion, horns have a very impressive sound, they create their own "reality" but they cannot "beam you there", where the live sonic event or the recording took place. Their size and huge spacing of their transducers make it impossible for them to become point-sources or even line sources, unless you listen from afar, in a very big room (which both negate their advantages over power-handling).Their imaging capabilities are vague and whimsical (the later is also true for spectral response of horns less evolved than Avantguard) and perhaps this is why the notorious pioneer of horns, Klipsch, tend to limit horns to strictly midrange/highs activity and also contain their refractory perimeters within the limits of their main bass bins. Don't get me wrong, I do like some of the damned horns. EVERYBODY like a beautiful lie!

[@booaaaa]

they are great speakers but setting them up can take years!!!

[@bobbykingma4109]

Audio is all about sound and music. So you start to listen to music first. And you learn what sound is and which aspects it owns. I work over 23,5 years full-time in audio. And I had the luck that a friend had a concert room with a Steinway wing. Here he gave classical concerts. I learned that both voices and instruments are very small and direct. When you listen to any horn loudspeaker, you will understand and become aware that both voices and instruments are too big in proportion. But they also are rather 2-dimensional. The sound is also different compared to how voices and instruments in particular sound. The best loudspeakers can create a stunning 3DS holographic stage. And the best ones can even reveal diversity in height of voices and instruments. This means you will hear easily the difference in height of voices and instruments. Also, this aspect of sound can not be perceived by horn loudspeakers. So when we go back to the question of this article; "Horns the Ultimate Hi-Fi loudspeakers?" I don't think so. They are also not True High-End based on the fact that they cannot reveal all aspects of sound.

[@bananasplitbrain476]

I get your point and agree. BUT: As important as tone, imaging and scale are equally important are the transparency, immediacy, fast attack and effortless sound production only horns offer. Inthe end, these dynamic aspects suck me into the music, give me the feeling if being just there, make the speakers disappear, just disperse sound which is in the room The ease and quick response, the effortless, clean, uncompromised and undistorted big presentation makes music more self-evidend. There is less strain. I wish horns would sound more beautiful in a way most people would connote this meaning with the word natural but natural sound is never beautiful but without strain, hassle, dynamic shortness or limitations of transient responses. This is exactly what makes real music sound real. It is the ease of sound dissipation and unrestrained, clean dynamics. Real instrumenta have vibrant energy and sound fast and can seperate complex sources and voices in a dense orchestra. In my experience only horns can do that. Yet tonally, they are not perfect. But great and accurate tonality is nothing when the believability of scale and dynamics is not there. Then the sound collapses and sounds dynamically limited. I always thought I would go with a Living Voice or ATC. They are working tools. But music reaches my heart when it is fast, effortless and overwhelming. I think what contributes or converts more easily to reality are clean transients, no distortion, high power handling, massive and quick driver systems. Natural tone is in the recording. It has to be translated into pressure waves without loss. There is no absolute truth. "True" color and tone versus dynamics, power, impact, scale and lack of any distortion.

[@michaelcorlet2998]

Real speakers are horn speakers.therefore real men listen,own horn speakers.😮

[@josephrogers2843]

Need a tube amp set up like a McIntosh

[@rfbead321]

Well, my first wife is up for sale so I can buy horns!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

she will understand dont feel guilty

[@Fluterra]

Avante Garde horns are not the best. They always come close, but never quite hit the mark of a world-class horn.