Push 3 Review and Disassembly // Look at the CPU, Battery, and SSD

[@djchrisnobeat]

Due to being part of the Intel U-Series, these devices have integrated video. This means that it would be possible to stream video through the USB Type-C output of push 3. There is a lot of upgrade potential in push 3.

[@patrikveltrusky]

Interesting!

[@VJFranzK]

@Nathaniel Walker hmm, that's too bad...

[@C.S.Argudo]

These were the comments I was looking for

[@adrianscarlett]

It may be possible using a displaylink hub

[@Mikas_Emil]

Same resistance is huge!!! I love your no BS review. Thanks alot. Best one Ive seen, I think.

[@patrikveltrusky]

Oh wow thank you! ❤❤❤

[@Mikas_Emil]

@@patrikveltrusky its like talking to a friend who bought it. Not a company man trying to sell it to you.

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@Mikas_Emil that's what I was trying to do

[@melodicmachines]

I love how detailed you go into the feel of the buttons and knobs. I wish more reviews did this. It's important to me, so thank you for doing this. 👍🏻

[@patrikveltrusky]

Thank you and you are welcome

[@brunofrye]

especially at these prices. i want somethings solid that will last a long time, especially with no touch screen and knobs and buttons that wear out over time

[@joshua_donald]

Really solid video my friend. Thanks for your honest review!

[@patrikveltrusky]

Thank you!

[@VacancyOfDisco]

THANK YOU for connecting the launch pad! thats what ive been hoping for

[@patrikveltrusky]

Im happy to help!

[@fluidparadigms6719]

This is the only review I've seen with a teardown and any critical analysis. Thanks!

[@patrikveltrusky]

You are welcome. I'm going for the ssd so we will see if it will be possible to upgrade it

[@D-One]

Thanks yopu so much for actually opening it to show the guts, very much appreciated!

[@alexkourelis]

Thanks for this! Your English is just fine, much better than my Czech would be ;) - folks who have been using Push for many years really see the potential here.

[@aloharay]

Thanks for digging inside the unit

[@Tontonbeats]

Thanks for opening it up! I like that you will probably be able to buy replacement batteries, and maybe Ableton will have some trade-in program to recycle them. Really is the way to go. Can't wait to see if third parties will offer these parts as well.

[@patrikveltrusky]

My personal quess is that we will see a lot of thirty party parts when the push 3 will catch up

[@SONWU]

Nice video! Thanks for opening it up :)

[@patrikveltrusky]

Thanks! New ssd is on it way so there will be a follow-up I guess 🫠

[@SONWU]

@@patrikveltrusky Nice, I''ll be watching!

[@MusicZtorm]

Great Push 3 presentation, thanks !

[@patrikveltrusky]

Thank you ❤️

[@alexandersh895]

thx. thats exactly the review I was looking for. the next logical step would be to try replacing the ssd Then it would be cool to see if we can ssh into the machine and try to install something on it (like drivers for the usb monitor)

[@patrikveltrusky]

I put ssd to my computer. It seems like there is a lot going on. It has several partition and it looks like some part is actually encrypted

[@joeymc5272]

@@patrikveltruskyreally?

[@patrikveltrusky]

I didn't put much time into it so I cannot say much about the topic. There is someone on the internet who actually swapped the SSD with a bigger one but there was Linux maschine involved@@joeymc5272

[@joeymc5272]

@@patrikveltrusky oh ok will look into this. Interesting. Thank you 🙏

[@sgkountz3280]

Thank you for the video and opening it up because I’ve opted for the controller Push 3. Your video shows there could be a cpu with Wi-Fi and battery option or both as a package.

[@dennishunter5552]

I've seen a review of the Ableton Push 3 how it operates. I must say that it did a pretty good job to be honest. Workflow is straight forward and there will be more updates in the future. I'm looking forward to it.

[@romenpheonixx7005]

Finally someone did this! Thanks 🔥🔥🔥

[@patrikveltrusky]

I'm happy you like it

[@blablanmoguer]

This is amazing tuto thank you can't wait to see what Ableton upgrade going to be

[@Audiorial]

thanks Patrik

[@edmo-l4d]

I’m with you on the knob thing. My push 2 and all NI Maschine all had this varying resistance issue. I hate it! Glad to hear the Push 3 is better.

[@patrikveltrusky]

The worst part is it is not an issue that's how knobs are and if you want to have a consistent resistance you simply have to pay for more expensive ones which they did and I'm really happy for it

[@pommedapi3847]

loved it, thank you for open it up and great review of the hardware. Buying now a standalone version for 1000 dollars more is a hard one, when the upgrade will come out you can just throw the old cpu in the trash, no resell options here. hmm.

[@buildingblocks8287]

thanks for opening.. just one thing to mention... the inputs are line, not mic... so yes, you cant run a mic native on it, but you could add adat mic inputs, if this is what you look for

[@judor5705]

That was very useful thank you. What would be your best guess for NUC update? i5 (4xcore) with also 8Gb Ram, or one of the i7 (4x core) with 16Gb Ram. 1- I wonder how much extra heat it would generate (you don't want to have a burning heat under the device either) and how much of a toll it would take on the battery. 2- There is no Nuc11 available with an i5 and 16Gb ram, so I also wonder what chokes the system first with a higher amount of tracks & devices/fx: lack of CPU headroom (on a 2 core only i3 cpu) or the 8Gb of ram? 3- Were you able to check whether the unit would run without battery connnected, when Push3 is plugged into the mains? and does the unit also work when wifi antenna isn't connected? 4- Finally, do you have the reference for the wifi antennas? Thanks a million for that cool video again.

[@patrikveltrusky]

It depends. Are you using more samples or synths / effects. There is no right answer to this. Also this device is definitely not you computer replacement. It is push and it always will be. I have not try to run it without the battery. I think it should work. No reference for antennas.

[@judor5705]

@@patrikveltrusky Thanks. Yes I'm sure without battery should work, but some Sony VAIO laptops will not boot if no internal battery is connected for example, so it'd be interesting to know. Basically seeing if people could upgrade to standalone without battery simply buying NUC and cloning SSD. You'd still need to find a compatible wireless module though. As regards use, it would probably depend on projects, but wih the MPE compatibility, the use of multiple devices & FX would probably be appealing

[@thegoony]

Some of the M4L devices need externals to run, i.e Java etc, these will not run, Ableton are in process of producing a guideline for M4L developers to adhere too so more M4L devices will be Push 3 ready

[@patrikveltrusky]

I'm aware of it. I was just hoping that first party m4l will work from get go

[@VA1ENTINX]

fye review thanks for being honest

[@ruslanr.6171]

finally an actual review.

[@JonahHache]

I really appreciate this review.... my project file requires me to have a tank of a laptop and I was curious to know if the push3 could handle it standalone. This clarifies it's not ready yet. Thanks so much!!

[@Romenet310]

Does it work with vst instruments when not in standalone?

[@patrikveltrusky]

You have to map it to the macro knobs

[@chrisliddiard725]

I would be very interested to know what's on the M.2 drive in the standalone. Would it be possible for you to clone that drive and then view the file structure of the cloned drive? I understand the Push is running a form of Linux, but i would like someone to confirm this. As an afterthought, i wonder if anyone has thought of 3D printing a new back cover for the push? The idea would be to jerry-fit a laptop [or tinyPC] motherboard, complete with its battery and cooling solution. You would only need a usb connection to get the two devices to speak to each other. Of course it would have to boot directly into Live, and you could use its HDMI port for an external monitor, and USB wifi dongle for the keyboard/mouse.

[@chrisliddiard725]

A few months later... one of those tiny pc would be cheaper and more powerfull than the upgrade, just not as portable. There are some budget tiny pcs masquerading as laptops, eg tinyboards with the addition of battery and screens drawing only 38w which would fit the bill/build, Celeron N3350 but those aren't as powerful as mini ryzen 9 for example. you pays your money...

[@shhh-57]

Would you happen to know/recall/be able to find out which encoder types/parts are used within Push 3? Would LOVE to build a tiny MIDI-controller with a couple of those.

[@patrikveltrusky]

No sorry. I didn't take it apart to this degree. I can only say they are high quantity with nice oily resistance

[@djchrisnobeat]

Intel - Compute Element (U-series) , Cool.

[@slavasoloma]

Hope to see people put in an better NUC compute element inside which would work without problem if Ableton did not restrict it via FW

[@patrikveltrusky]

Well you will than have a problem with battery. I don't think they will ever pusť anything with more than 15-20tdp. Just for clarification. There is nothing on the market powerful as the push 3 is right now

[@systmcrsh]

you'd also have a problem with cooling with a more powerful element

[@slavasoloma]

@@patrikveltrusky there is no problem with battery after all because with the 2h of built in battery most people will use the push plugged in. It's just of curiosity because there is more efficient hardware on the market that has more cores and uses less energy.

[@jimmygray3452]

Regarding the secondary function of the jog wheel right-nudge feature, i noticed it is used for uninstalling Packs. Maybe that’s why it’s not used for navigation as well.

[@patrikveltrusky]

Aaaaa! I was thinking I'm missing something. Thank you!

[@pommedapi3847]

too bad as we navigate much more as we uninstall packs! :/ these decisionsd do matter in the final overall joy of using it.

[@teabreakbeats]

I've seen the intel NUC Cards available online to buy... I wonder if ableton will sell just the battery and heat sink separately

[@patrikveltrusky]

You will also need an ssd with the files and antennas! I think it would be somewhat difficult for most of the people but what I think will happen is that third party companies will provide such a solution

[@CompatibleCreative]

Great review :)

[@patrikveltrusky]

Thank you. I highly appreciate it

[@GF_MF]

Does it work with no battery in it? Does it affect performance with no battery and just the power adapter?

[@blackbrain77]

Just to confirm what Ableton said about the coating, I bought a Push 2 last year, it already did not have the rubber coating,

[@patrikveltrusky]

Good!

[@glensubtorq]

I just received my Push 3 and have found that it gets really freakin hot! I need to find out if this is normal or not.

[@blackbrain77]

Convolution Reverb uses Max objects that don't have Linux builds and don't belong to Ableton (it is open source from Huddersfield University).

[@patrikveltrusky]

Aha! That's the reason! Thank you for letting us know!

[@SyncXIX]

Hi broo tnx u 4 this video! I've one question: we can update the hardware by ourselves or only the Ableton Company release a future hardware pieces update? The hardware inside is the same in the normal store (like Amazon etc) or not? Already tnx you!! Great work!

[@patrikveltrusky]

Hey hey. At the moment there is no other upgrade path than what will Ableton provide in the future. The hw inside is definitely a consumer level and you can upgrade it already in theory but I Noone tried it yet to my knowledge and you should not do it due to thermal envelope reasons

[@SyncXIX]

@@patrikveltrusky sure! I got it! It's better waiting a "time tips" during the experience customer. But I wanna understand: for example if I change the ssd with another ssd, it works? Ah... In effect, the Ableton software is inside the ssd, I think this is probably the first problem we can have.. changing the ssd... So... I'm curious! eheheh

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@SyncXIX I will not work the way you just take a new SSD and put it into the P3. YOu will have to clone it on a Linux machine to another SSD and fill in the blank space. I also do not recommend it at the moment as the browser in the P3 is very limited and it is a nightmare to browse big amount of files.

[@brunofrye]

@@patrikveltrusky pretty lame, especially for the price. figured upgrading ssd would be fairly plug and play. 250 gb, right? thats chump storage these days, especially for audio

[@massimomarazzo9180]

Does it work the “Follow Actions” function for clips and scenes? To change manually every scene would be ridicolous… hope it works! Thanks!

[@Mixxwizard]

Dude do you know how many years I went not using the Follow Action.😢 Shame on me, my remixes & Mashups are sick now using Follow Actions. All Ableton is missing now is separating stems from a song.

[@sammadden5540]

I am very excited to see more people crack it open and tinker! Surely we'll see some hacky Linux mods on the thing

[@VentureNW]

Thanks for showing us the guts. The OS and firmware are also going to reside on that nvme, so unless Ableton sends the format over to it, then you are going to need to buy their SSD. The specific Intel NUC is definitely going to be proprietary, of course, but buying a simple upgrade from them should be pretty straight forward. I am guessing they are running an i3 in there to keep things cool. Some of the newer Intel CPUs run hot. They also say that putting any 3rd party parts in it, voids the warranty... but warranties only last so long. I would imagine folks will be modding these, down the road. You mentioned cheap soundcard in your screenshot, but I did not see you mention that in the video. Can you elaborate on this? Its effectively an Audio Interface, so other than struggling to push (pun) condensers or the infamous cardioid dynamic SM7B (which can be lifted outside the unit) , I don't think it should be an issue. I have an SE DCM8, so it's got an internal lifter. With ADAT, I would think it would be better to run an AI into it, than using its mic input, but that's just me.

[@patrikveltrusky]

I have actually edited out the part about the sound card and I didn't realized that. The mains story is that the sound card has very similar specs to cheap Focusrite offering. Don't take me wrong I think it is more than good enough. Cheap doesn't have to mean bad

[@VentureNW]

@@patrikveltrusky so similar preamps to Focusrite?

[@fearmo1852]

I am curious about the upgrades too. I was looking into the NUC's and there are NUC's out there up to i7 that look like they have all the same connectors and same form factory. The question would be whether its locked or their is some sort of hard coded/chip bios that will only allow what they add with the firmware. Depends on how much time they spent into "dongling" it. I can imagine you should be able to clone an image of the NVME and extend the drive with AOMEI or something similar. If it isn't locked or picky about the specs it looks like you can get the parts out there. I have not looked for the battery that in-depth but that looks like the only proprietary piece of equipment. The i7 NUC's cost around $500-700 USD and 1TB NVME about $50-80 USD, retail. Considering they are getting wholesale/OEM pricing on it. I can't imaging the battery costing $200 USD and them using an i3 instead. Their price seems a bit high in my opinion but this is with just the information out there currently.

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@VentureNW exactly. I think it is enought tho. Cheap doenst mean bad per ce

[@danmarm5357]

@@fearmo1852 yeah, that intel NUC they use it's 299 retail price. They'll get it lower and that ssd it's 30 bucks. So yeah that upgrade kit it's a bit high. I guess all that money it's going into research and profit.But they already increased the price almost 100% in the normal push 3.

[@YANNFICHANT]

Can you please take a picture of batterie ? I search the exact reference of it … thanks !

[@andrzejkucharzyk9970]

Does anyone know if the jog wheel knob cap could be pulled out like a usual synthesiser knob cap or its somehow glued or soldiered and to the Push 3 itself and it can’t be done?

[@patrikveltrusky]

I tried and didn't succeed but I didn't want to break it so it is possible you can take it down

[@sinewaymusic]

You said in the end that you like the MPC but don't like what they're currently doing. What were you referring to?

[@patrikveltrusky]

I like the workflow which is really musical but their focus on releasing new hardware which is absolutely the same as the last one with just different colour and few sample packs included for astronomical price is very much anticonsumer

[@sinewaymusic]

@@patrikveltrusky Makes sense, and I agree. Btw, what did you do to get access to the Push 3? I'm asking because you have a relatively low follower count here on KZbin, and I assumed that Ableton would not let you have early access unless you had at least 20K+ followers. Hope the question doesn't sound weird to you, I mean absolutely no offense! Just curious to understand Ableton's criteria. Thanks for a very informative video!

[@agenticdevices]

Hi there, thank you for the teardown. I haven't seen any reviews cover the audio interface aspect of the device, such as streaming audio from your laptop (ableton or otherwise) and additionally the recording latency. Maybe you can address that? Thanks!

[@patrikveltrusky]

I think I can do that! But I do not have high hopes for the interface. It will be alright but nothing spectacular but one thing that is important to mention is that I have never saw a standalone unit to run in anything else then 44.1. KHz and here you can do up to 96!

[@agenticdevices]

@@patrikveltrusky Stimming's review was done in 96 I believe. I am less interested in that but more so just want to make sure I can stream audio (other than Live, ie: iTunes, web browser, etc) from my PC since I just pre-ordered it and intend to sell my audio interface. No body I have watched has actually demonstrated this functionality nor shown the latency when connected to a computer.

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@agenticdevices When it is connected to the PC/mac it works like a standard sound card so you will be able to play any sound you want from it. I would hold on your soundcard a bit and try it out with your concrete setup

[@agenticdevices]

@@patrikveltrusky thank for the clarification. I take it you have tested this personally? I am currently exchanging emails with Ableton and they are confusingly saying that it only sends audio from Live to Push. I have to assume that is false if they are marketing it as an audio interface but nothing in their manual, website or any review has clarified this at all.

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@agenticdevices I just have tested it just to be sure. When you are in controller mode it can be used as audio interface

[@helldotsin]

I don't like how it is harder to see the colors of the pads because of them being such a bright white.

[@bvrbvs]

Thanks for the video. Fair to assume you can connect a midi controller pedal that sends midi CC to trigger Effect racks to the standalone version? Like for doing looper control

[@patrikveltrusky]

I'm not sure yet if possible as I didn't saw any settings about midi channel but it doesn't mean it can't be done

[@bvrbvs]

@@patrikveltrusky might be done in the computer, and hopefully the mapping transfers to the Push

[@blackbrain77]

Oh thanks, you answered the main question I had about those 2 cables sticking out from the NUC shown in Ableton's own videos and pics, if those were safely unpluggable or not, seems you can unplug them, replace the NUC and put the cables back into the new NUC without much fuss.

[@patrikveltrusky]

Yep. They are just antennas. Nothing more!

[@TheArtisticFlavor]

The reason the main knob doesn’t select something when pushing it right is that because that function will delete some things, such as packs, presets, etc. when selected.

[@patrikveltrusky]

I see! Thank you for the information!

[@TheArtisticFlavor]

@@patrikveltrusky Sure thing, and great video. Loved the teardown!

[@boywonder2093]

Great video. Can the Jog Wheel control anything in Arrangement View like the scrub area? I wish Ableton added a FastForward and Rewind buttons on the Push 3 for transport in the Arrangement View.

[@patrikveltrusky]

Thank you. To my somewhat limited knowlenge it cannot. But maybe I have missed something

[@luciens3588]

Hi. Is there an arrangement mode on the push 3 itself ?

[@patrikveltrusky]

No. But you can always kinda use the session as your arranger. This is how trackers worked or how mpc works

[@luciens3588]

@@patrikveltrusky Okay cool. Thanks for the reply

[@danmarm5357]

Do you think people will be able to buy all those part by themselves and make it standalone. Intel NUC element, the same one costs around 299. that ssd it's literally 35 bucks at best. the battery they said you could buy as replacement or maybe buy from a 3rd party. The only problem would be getting the custom OS. so not sure. It would make the upgrade kit 400 bucks instead of 1099.

[@patrikveltrusky]

Give it enough time and we will I believe

[@radrod4828]

is it possible to change the midi channel of the push 3? also do you know is it possible to program follow actions in push 3?

[@patrikveltrusky]

Follow actions cannot be changed at the moment. You can change midi channel of outputting midi

[@Nick-kb6jd]

anyone know what pads to get for the cpu? I took the back off mine and the pad got kinda destroyed

[@Wagoo]

Getting a NUC compute element module is a lot cheaper than Ableton's controller to standalone upgrade pricing. Hopefully they don't have some stupid software lockout on upgrading it yourself

[@patrikveltrusky]

I actually don't think it will be that cheaper in the end as you also need battery, ssd and antennas and ofcourse the big heatsink. I'm not saying it is impossible to do it yourself but just the price of time for the heatsink will make you cry

[@thibautnoah2599]

Can you use NI plugins with the push3 in standalone mode?

[@patrikveltrusky]

No. No vst plug-ins

[@thibautnoah2599]

@@patrikveltrusky i kinda struggle with the plugins concept. Like i have a maschine with Komplete standard i got for the sample etc. So ALL of those (groups, loops, samples etc) are considered plugins aswell? Basically everything coming from native access that you can access from the maschine?

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@thibautnoah2599 I understand it can be a little confusing. I will try to explain. Plugins are usually synth and effects codded in a format like vst, au, xxa, clap, etc. Push 3 can run plugins that are made in a language called Max. Maybe you have heard about max4live plugins. The problem with those is that not all of them will run and not all will be usable even if they run in P3 standalone. So yeah. It is something. In terms of samples. P3 standalone can play Wav, AFF, and I believe MP3 and other compressed files so if you have a bunch of samples from NI it should run inside P3 when standalone.

[@thibautnoah2599]

@@patrikveltrusky yeah i think i saw this name somewhere. I think the issue is with maschine all those synths etc can be loaded directly as instruments into the maschine you don't need an ui or anything else it's separated by what is inside said "plugin" and then you select what you want inside (drum, synths, vocal, etc). Don't know why it doesn't work that way with push. Heard NI made a thing called kontakt to load every NI plugins into ableton but i have no clue how it works yet. Thanks for the answer :)

[@dustmighte]

3:30 the buttons are _harder_ to press than the Push 2?! Goddamn

[@patrikveltrusky]

Im a buttons nerd.

[@dustmighte]

@@patrikveltrusky i mean same, to me the buttons were the single worst bit of ergonomics on the Push 2 (and they drove me away from using it)

[@TR-707]

i think its running some kinda RNBO / linux OS thing so the max4live device has to be quite simple to be auto converted. Probably why the whole wifi transfer thing is also required since it goes through some tool chain under the hood - my assumption

[@Messy_Jesse]

Where is the ram held?

[@MarctheDarc]

Thanks for giving a different view on the Push 3. A few notes from a computer nerd: Before people bank on self-upgrading the SSD, Ableton may be using a proprietary file system, meaning the cloning software on a computer, you'd normally use to transfer the system and data from the old to the new SSD, might not be able to read it. Or it may be copy-protected in some other way (frankly would be strange if wasn't). You can test that by connecting the SSD to a computer. But what ever you do, DON'T let it format the drive. Windows may prompt you to do so, just don't. You can be absolutely certain, Ableton just sourced an OEM battery already being produced for laptops. It just looks custom because they shaped the slot around it. And before you applaud them, keep in mind they're charging 1000€ for a 3 years old, bottom of the line, already obsolete, Intel NUC, that in a full, brand new, ready to go computer will cost a consumer 300€.

[@bengineer_the]

Sadly Push 2 does not boot up when connected to the Host port.

[@patrikveltrusky]

Oh no. My day is ruined. Thank you for letting le know!

[@Kevhuman]

I bet a launchpad would

[@vinylarchaeologist]

Funny that you say Czech Republic is in “the East of Europe”. Maybe culturally and historically. But geographically you are right in the middle of Europe ❤

[@patrikveltrusky]

We are 😄 I'm kinda tired of pretending we are not

[@Kevhuman]

If the push works like ableton on a pc it splits the tracks evenly between the cpu cores, so more aggressive test would be to make a small number of very cpu intensive tracks. I think anyway 🤔

[@patrikveltrusky]

Aha! I think I will try that. This cpu is 2 core / 4 threads so it shouldn't be that hard to take it to its knees

[@mrrafsk]

Can the adat clock switch between master/follower?

[@tdtrecordsmusic]

so where is soundcard info ? what is the model # of the chip ?

[@patrikveltrusky]

Unfortunately I can't say as I did not took it apart completely

[@nononononegative]

So what makes it cheap if you don’t know what it is? Are there other clues?

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@nononononegative The aspects they listen on their website. The dynamic range is quite a bit worst than the cheap offering from Focusrite. Latency is alright when it works as a midi controller. Don't take me wrong. Cheap doesn't mean bad! I think just the sheer fact that it can run in 96 kHz is groundbreaking for grooveboxes! The only others I know running not at 44.1kHz is Roland TR-8 and TR-8S and they are really good sounding units. You can say it is still the best sounding out there. I don't think it is necessary to run at 96 tbh but the sound quality between 44 and 48 is significant, especially in terms of stretching, eqing and transposing samples. That's what I do all the time. I wish they put soundcard like Arturia AudioFUSE there but when I consider how hot this sound card can get in full power mode I'm happy with the one they have there. The output sounds beefy, headphone out is bit thin but it has a lot of power

[@mikg2618]

Will try a Leap Motion controller for the MPE, curios to oppose push 3

[@klstay]

As for MPE if they are smart they will give broad "play area" configuration customization as with Embodme ERAE. Ableton definitely knows their market and that people will pay the asking prices even though a laptop w/touchscreen and better specs can be had for $600 and has none of these limitations on the Live version. With this smart influencer "push" a lot of wallets are about to be $2000 lighter...

[@yardleylfc]

Doesnt need an expensive sound card as you can plug straight into a decent Dac of your choice and maybe your set up inlvolves active speakers which will have one built in too. Cpu is future proof and the ssd is large ebough for on the move projects.

[@patrikveltrusky]

im not saiyng cheap means bad. Im just pointing the fact that the internal sound card is similar spec to offering from focus rite which are amazing of the money.

[@kaiserclicker8479]

thx you

[@rikkshow]

The standalone costs $1000 extra, but won't let you run VST's. Might be better to buy the basic Push and a more powerful NUC on the side and have the option for a monitor too, and any size battery too. For less money. Sure a few extra cables if you perform live, but very easy setup. The cooling design was pretty bad, will it overheat if the room is 30C and you run it at max CPU for 1h?

[@patrikveltrusky]

I don't think it will overheat. From my testing the unit is cell designed and the cooling solution is enough

[@InspectorDope]

did you break the wifi cable?

[@patrikveltrusky]

no no it is on connectors. It was and still is working fine

[@grayhamgrayhamson1466]

Have you tried cloning the ssd to a 2tb one?

[@patrikveltrusky]

Tbh I have chicken out as it seems one part is encrypted but I received a message from one fan and he just swapped the ssd and it worked. I'm going for Sonar with Bastl Instruments tommorow but when I get back I will have a deeper look

[@grayhamgrayhamson1466]

@@patrikveltrusky interesting, I’d imagine they have some sort of copy protection, but if anyone figures it out I’m very keen to find out how to do it as I want 2tb

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@grayhamgrayhamson1466 I think in the end it will not be as hard as I initially thought. I will see

[@grayhamgrayhamson1466]

@@patrikveltrusky ya clonezilla?

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@grayhamgrayhamson1466 I will have to check it out

[@ant2011]

Do you think you could add a bluetooth attena to it?

[@patrikveltrusky]

I didn't see any space to out it anywhere but I believe that nuc board already has it but maybe I'm wrong

[@lofiprototype]

I tried to connect my push 2 to push 3. Didn’t work 😢. Glad the apc40 does work with the 3

[@patrikveltrusky]

Can you coonect push 2 and 3 to one computer?

[@lofiprototype]

@@patrikveltrusky i've just tried it out. from what i've seen i'm only able to use one of the controllers. Also seems when both are connected, ableton live always chooses the push 3 over the push 2. i hope they'll make it possible to use both at the same time.

[@kikeon0017]

@@lofiprototype I connected both Push 1 and Push 3 to one computer, and they both work in tandem. When I play the pads on one Push, the pads light up on the other Push as well.

[@thibautnoah2599]

"this part of the button is slightly higher and this part is more flush" and just like that i decided not to buy a push3, that would trigger my ocd so much lmao. Speaking of which, you were complaining about the buttons being a bit too tought to the press, can't you mod them like you would switches on a mechanical keyboard?

[@patrikveltrusky]

It is minor thing but I understand. No you cannot mod them in any way to my knowledge

[@AaronAlso]

Big fan of the Abletons since 4.0. Been waiting for a standalone device for well over a decade. Kinda feel like they dropped the ball a bit. Would have liked to seen an ARM SBC complete with HDMI out. At least this compute module is swap-able/upgrade-able. Think I'm gonna wait for a more robust version maybe with 16GB ram.

[@patrikveltrusky]

Well there is a big possibility that usb c there has a hdmi component to it.

[@milkyway8353]

i like how they advertised upgrade on this device, but this is all custom build , beside nvme drive. Who know what will be the price for battery or new cpu, and since it's custom build you are kinda stuck with Ableton doing all upgrades and charging who knows what for it.

[@patrikveltrusky]

It turns out that the Nuc can be bought, the only problem will be Ssd I think. I have put the internal ssd already to my.comouter and it seems like a lot is going on it as it has several partition. One is even called msdos for some reason

[@miekwavesoundlab]

What is the Intel nuk model

[@patrikveltrusky]

I believe it is this one www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/212013/intel-nuc-11-compute-element-cm11ebi38w/specifications.html

[@miekwavesoundlab]

@@patrikveltrusky thank you

[@miekwavesoundlab]

@@patrikveltrusky is compatible with these? Is Ableton Push 3 compatible will all these g11 U-Series nuk models including i5/i7 16GB+? intel_com /content /www /us /en /products/details /nuc /elements /compute/products.html Sorry YT won’t allow me to comment https link

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@miekwavesoundlab I have no idea, theoritecally it should be but there is only 60W PSU included so you will have to work around this also

[@piotrekkowalik3589]

Great review, thank you. Far away from bias influencer ass kissing or not really argumented nagging from the other hand. Thanks!

[@patrikveltrusky]

Well everyone has a different point of view. I'm working for Bastl Instruments and maybe my experience with producing hardware makes me more hardware and ux oriented.

[@abdulrahmanelawady4501]

You need to edit the "oh" out, and make a script. It's impossible to do a good video without a script. Great review still

[@patrikveltrusky]

Thank you. I didn't want to make the video in the first place but a lot of people were not talking about some real fact and all the other videos were just paid ads. I have P3 and I love it

[@IzzyIkigai]

I wish I could get my hands on one of those firmware images to see if they actually did anything interesting but oof shelling out a thousand bucks for the upgrade kit that is less than 300bucks worth of off the shelf hardware(apart from the proprietary battery you can't buy replacements for) where ableton doesn't even have the decency to give you a proper ableton license...so not feeling that.

[@patrikveltrusky]

I would not totally agree with that statement. I work work music technology company myself and I know we'll how making anything in small numbers can be expensive and tbh I don't see the upgrade kit out of how much it can cost. I'm not saying it is nit expensive. I'm saying that I don't think they are able to make cheaper

[@zeusdeux]

“It’s calling to the motherland” 😂💀

[@systmcrsh]

awesome teardown, good job :)) ableton fan as well, but how about intel? a decently powerful nuc compute element with ram and nvme ssd in a size smaller than a slot1 pentium ii cpu. that heatsink is pretty massive though and a little scary that it took so long to boot without it. but overall, nice design.

[@joeymc5272]

This is exactly what worries me and why i havent got a push 3 even though i want one. So many things to fix first as well as price before i jump in. I have a deluge. Synth engine not great, fx next to suck, but everything else is the best ive used. Willing to trade deluge out for this if it gets arranger, longer battery lifespan is an absolute given and a 256gb ssd is slim to me with the sample libraries i have.

[@dnbnetwork3531]

I agree with you,and i think it is not a minor thing;for a thousand euros,we normally could expect some perfect align buttons and a metal case instead of a crappy plastic,i was very interested by buying it but i think i'm gonna wait for something else,i'm not a youtuber... who can have very nice price,it is expensive FOR US TOO in western europe.......

[@patrikveltrusky]

Totally valid point you have. I don't hate the plastic personal I just think it would be even better for environment to make it from aluminum but I from the information I have it would make it too expensive and not competitive

[@dnbnetwork3531]

@@patrikveltrusky So Ableton LIKE Akai doesn't understand that people want unique product,not competitive product.

[@DarkTrapStudio]

Maybe full cover the computer with thermal pad would be a good idea as it cost nothing to do

[@patrikveltrusky]

I was thinking about this mod but the push doesnt get too warm so would be just a nice mod and would not have any other value

[@DarkTrapStudio]

@@patrikveltruskyMay depends how you use it, where you live and if you go outdoor or not I guess no ?

[@chriscopeman8820]

Is the battery rechargeable?

[@patrikveltrusky]

Yes it is

[@arrgrrrr]

Nice video but putting "cheap sound card" in the thumbnail is a bit nasty and clickbait-y IMO.

[@patrikveltrusky]

Cheap doesn't mean bad. It means that is has similar specs to cards like Focusrite scarlet. Which it has

[@dennishunter5552]

​@@patrikveltrusky But does it sound bad. That's what matters.

[@patrikveltrusky]

@@dennishunter5552 it is very much a matter of opinion. Headphone out sounds ok, main out is really nice, and line input sounds more than ok but using the line input with "high gain" setting doesn't sound good in my opinion

[@dennishunter5552]

@@patrikveltrusky It's subjective. I understand. You can hook up anything to the adat inputs and go from there.

[@Ipsissimus]

They're not reviews, they're adverts.

[@dingbatjack1234]

I don't think it's cherry picking whatsoever. Valid points to be sure

[@DarkTrapStudio]

I can understand the difficulty of the heat sink but put it right below a hard surface is kind of not smart, Im not an engineer tho so this comment maybe be invaluable. Good review thanks !

[@patrikveltrusky]

I think the idea is basically just put the heat into some sort of mass. It don't get very worm so it us enough but I can definitely see some room for moding. 🤭

[@DarkTrapStudio]

@@patrikveltrusky Yeah but you can have the same system but transferring the heat like to the sides for examples but again I need to learn this type of engineering to have a valuable opinion :) ex: macbook air M1kind of

[@DarkTrapStudio]

@@patrikveltrusky Thanks for your answers :)

[@DarkTrapStudio]

@@patrikveltrusky Yeah waiting for the mod community :D

[@DJANGO-FakeShaman]

plastic is an oil based product and it will burn just fine when thrown in the landfill :) dont worry the environment is handled just fine right now

[@feikeuphoff4309]

The Vid shows your Email and Serial, maybe this will get you in trouble!

[@patrikveltrusky]

Well. Too late.

[@edmo-l4d]

My favorite buttons are on Maschine mk3. I hated the buttons on Push 1 and 2. I am sure I will probably hate the ones on Push 3.

[@patrikveltrusky]

I must agree that buttons on mk3 are probably the holy grail of button so far.

[@VinylWave11]

it should have been a hard coated metal exterior. for $2000 the buttons should be perfect, that alone is a deal breaker for me. I am sure some people will like the MPE, for me I don't need or want that kind of sound. None of the effects should be missing. I mean a pitch bend wheel can do that. I have the PUSH 2. I will not be buying the PUSH 3 unless something happens to that, even then I would not need or want a PUSH device as stand alone unless it hosted VSTs and had the arrangement view. To me it doesn't sound quality. I wouldn't be putting out $2000 for latency and that kind of sound.And 2.5 hours battery life is a joke. Also for a sampler 256g is not enough if someone is using it professionally as their main device. Why is Ableton requiring the purchaser to buy the SSD from them? I would not want that. 2 TB Quality SSDs can be purchased cheap in the, around $110 in the USA. I just added a 2TB to my MPC X SE for that exact price.

[@ChumpyDumps]

Do you know how many gigabytes the SP-1200 had for sample memory? Hint: less than 1 lol. This isn’t about being a full production device to make beats from beginning to end. It’s about get the ideas made and then into a computer running Live at some point. Seems like you’re missing the point. But there is also the controller only version if you don’t want the standalone features. And it’s not really missing effects. It has Hybrid reverb which is a convolution reverb as well. It just doesn’t currently support every M4L device just like the Push 2 doesn’t. You just sound kinda bitter that you wasted money on the MPC X SE running a 10 year old Chromebook processor with 4gb of ram right before a better device came out lol

[@VinylWave11]

@@ChumpyDumps absolutely not. I am very glad I bought the MPC X SE. I would have been disappointed if I spent money $2000 on a PUSH 3. If it isn’t good enough for full production maybe it would be important to ask what you are getting for $2000. It is great having the PUSH2 it definitely has all that I need in a push device,and my MPC XSE is an amazing instrument that can do full production . I definitely have no regrets. And for that matter for me the extra memory I put into my X, 2tb I can sample vinyl and field recordings endlessly. And then I still have Push 2 and Ableton. I am sure some hobbiests will be happy buying the Push3. Good luck hope they keep upgrading it to include more sounds and the arrangement view

[@brunofrye]

@@ChumpyDumps lol its 2023 homie, not 1985. we're not using betamax and vhs for film unless you're into some retro tech

[@JEFFMAN90]

​@@ChumpyDumps The MPC X price wise is better then the Push 3 standalone lol

[@nieuweabnormaal5869]

Let's see what happens when it is summer and the cpu is stressed. Might freeze. There is no cooling fan i heard.

[@patrikveltrusky]

I think the cooling solution will be enough even for situation like this

[@mikoajczeski1272]

Greetings from Poland I'm thinking of replacing MPC with PUSH3

[@patrikveltrusky]

Ahoj! They both have its strengths and weeknesses

[@synkuk]

Custom build makes it expensive ? virtually all products are 'custom' with proprietary boards , but use off the shelf chips or sub components .. 2k is a chunk of change .. NUC board only accounts for maybe $350-400 .. the price is based on what Marketing think the market will pay.. not so much the BOM cost

[@patrikveltrusky]

Yes

[@brunofrye]

100 percent this

[@CrusaderGeneral]

For 2K I'd rather buy 2 tons of behringer synths

[@brunofrye]

or a nice lappy or build a new rig

[@nitefly-music]

Isn't it a little early to come out with a bug report? All in all I think this going to be a game changer. Ableton wouldn't release a faulty product into that competitive market.

[@patrikveltrusky]

I myself work for a synth company and I know how hard it is to release a product absolutely bug free. Bugs I have encounter are minor and they will probably will be ironed out

[@brunofrye]

we live in the consumer beta test days, you will test for bugs, no compensation. thanks early adopters!