'Putin didn't order Navalny's death': New intelligence EXPLAINED | Dan Lomas

"We're also getting classified information".
A new all source intelligence assessment, which included classified information likely from spies close to Putin, suggests that Navalny's death was something Putin "did not want" at that moment in time, says Dan Lomas.
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[@Awibrahor]

I don’t particularly care what Putin wants and doesn’t want. I care about the misery he’s _causing._ If he wants, he can stop it.

[@asrafamani5028]

Just tell zalensky that go play comedian dont be politics to western then it will stop I think

[@CoffeeAndPaul]

Mmm, can he? This news is telling us that Putin might not be able to stop what he's started. If someone as well-known as Mr. Navalny was (maybe) purposely killed WITHOUT the express order of the big boss, this means a power in Russia -& all parties in Russia are still supposed to operate (arguably) under the thumb & permissiveness of Putin, including the Russian Mob- was working external to or outside of Putin's control, & it's probably the Siloviki since they manage the prisons. Patrushev & the Siloviki are the most powerful interest group under Putin's immediate influence right now. That's not good in a corrupted society with nuclear weapons, so naturally the World will be concerned about this news. The Siloviki definitely don't control Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, but they probably still have access to deployable tactical weapons of mass destruction including small nuclear, short-life biological, & time-dependent-LD50 chemical weapons. After all it was the internal security services, not the regular Russian Armed Services, who decided to deploy airborne phenobarbital gases in the Dubrovka Theatre hostage crisis. The Russians' record there is mixed. They killed many of the hostages in the execution of the anti-terror raid & they supposedly captured none alive, which is a goal if you're running an anti-terrorist operation because you want to find out who told you to do this & all relevant information about them & possible cohorts.

[@CoffeeAndPaul]

Mmm, can he? This news is telling us that Putin might not be able to stop what he's started. If someone as well-known as Mr. Navalny was (maybe) purposely killed WITHOUT the express order of the big boss, this means that a power party in Russia -& all parties in Russia are still supposed to operate (arguably) under the thumb & permissiveness of Putin, including the Russian Mob- is working largely external to or working outside of Putin's control. This would probably be the Siloviki since they manage the prisons. Patrushev & the Siloviki are the most powerful interest group under Putin's immediate influence right now, & the Russian armed services community run a close second. That's not good in a corrupted society with nuclear weapons. The Siloviki definitely don't control Russia's strategic nuclear weapons, but they probably have access to deployable tactical weapons of mass destruction including small nuclear, short-life biological, & time-dependent-LD50 chemical weapons. After all, it was the internal security services, not the regular Russian Armed Services, who decided to deploy airborne phēnobarb gas in the Dubrovka Theatre hostage crisis. The Russians' record there is mixed. They killed many of the hostages in the execution of the anti-terror raid & they supposedly captured none alive, & capturing someone alive is a goal if you're working for an anti-terrorist, government body because you want to find out who told you to do this & all relevant information about them & possible cohorts.

[@CoffeeAndPaul]

Mmm, can he? This news is telling us that Putin might not be able to stop what he's started. If someone as well-known as Mr. Navalny was (maybe) purposely killed WITHOUT the express order of the big boss, this means that a powerful body of men in Russia -& all parties in Russia are still supposed to operate (arguably) under the thumb & permissiveness of Putin, including the Russian Mob- is working largely external to or working outside of Putin's control. This would probably be the Siloviki. They manage the prisons. Patrushev & the Siloviki are the most powerful interest group under Putin's immediate influence right now, & the Russian armed services community run a close second. That's not good in a corrupted society with nūkes. The Siloviki definitely don't control Russia's strategic nuclear weapons but they probably have access to deployable tactical weapons of mass destruction including small nuclear, short-life biological, & time-dependent-LD50 chemical weapons. After all, it was their internal security services, not the regular Russian Armed Services, who decided to deploy airborne phēnobarb gas in the Moscow Theatre hostage crisis. They killed many of the hostages in the execution of the anti-terror raid & they supposedly captured none alive, & capturing someone alive is a goal if you're working for an anti-terrorist, government body because you want to find out who told you to do this & all relevant information about them & possible cohorts.

[@CoffeeAndPaul]

Mmm, can he? This news is telling us that Putin might not be able to stop what he's started. If someone as well-known as Mr. Navalny was (maybe) purposely double-tapped WITHOUT the express order of the big boss, this means that a power party in Russia -& all parties in Russia are still supposed to operate under the thumbs & permission of Putin, including the Russian Mob- is working largely external to or working outside of Putin's control. This would probably be the Siloviki since they manage the prisons. Patrushev & the Siloviki are the most powerful interest group under Putin's immediate influence right now, & the Russian armed services community run a close second. That's not good in a corrupted society with nukes. The Siloviki definitely don't control Russia's strategic nuclear weapons but they probably have access to deployable tactical WMD including small nuclear, short-life biological, & time-dependent-LD-fifty chemical weapons. After all, it was Russian internal security services, not the regular Russian Armed Services, who decided to deploy airborne phēnobårb gas in the Dubrovka Theatre hostage crisis. The Russians' record there is mixed. They offed many of the hostages in the execution of the anti-terror raid & they supposedly captured none of the criminal actors alive, & capturing at least 1 person alive is a goal if you're working for an anti-terrorist police force because you want to find out who told you to do this & all relevant information about them & possible cohorts.

[@kotbegemot-sp]

yes, he only buried him in a nightmare gulag prison, duh... don't fall for Russian misinfo pls

[@lw1zfog]

R.I.P. GONZALO LIRA

[@mcarranzaz]

​@@lw1zfog * R.I.H.

[@matt.willoughby]

​@@lw1zfogDidn't he die of pneumonia?

[@lw1zfog]

@@matt.willoughby depends who you ask

[@6F6G]

If Navalny wasn't assassinated then why was he buried in Russia and not handed over to his family as they wanted?

[@TrevorSachko]

Umm... he wasn't given back to his family?

[@pandoraalberts5267]

There was a long delay. And reports say the corpse had been "mutilated", but there's no official statement to clarify what that means. I think it would be hard to question the family on these details.​@@TrevorSachko

[@unconventionalideas5683]

He may have been assassinated against Vladimir Putin's wishes. That's not necessarily impossible.

[@6F6G]

@@TrevorSachko He was buried in a Moscow cemetery.

[@daydays12]

Indeed!

[@Realandysworld]

I find that very hard to believe that putin didn't have anything to do with it

[@goonerboz6023]

That's because you have been brainwashed and cannot seem to accept the times the tv and newspapers are lying to you and are not your friends

[@jimohara]

That’s to do with you

[@marktwain5232]

Ditto. This is the most amateurish presentation I have ever seen.

[@DavidGitongawriter]

Its understandable considering the amount of disinformation that accussed without evidence. Imagine what we don't know about NordStream and even the Ukraine War. Food for thought.

[@roywatson8133]

either way i should not think pootin as lost much sleep over is passing

[@davidwaskul2821]

Who put Navalny in jail in the first place, come on now tell it like it is. Slava Ukraini and Slava the Free World!!!!

[@jfjoubertable]

Crime bosses send indirect messages to their henchmen to create plausible deniability.....

[@georgejohnson1498]

Nobody can really know for certain, but I would say this "leak" is pure stirring the mud in the puddle to create an element of doubt, and really should probably regarded as more Kremlin propaganda. Best wishes from George

[@csonracsonra9962]

I'd say it's from the west, this is a the beginning of "a way out" for putin I bet

[@georgejohnson1498]

@@csonracsonra9962 And you may well be right. One never knows what is going on behind the scenes. Perhaps there is still a back-channel between the Whitehouse and the Kremlin, but that would be a serious secret! Best wishes from George

[@thinker646]

I 💯 agree with you!

[@marktwain5232]

BINGO. That is the most rational read on this.

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

@@georgejohnson1498the direct teleprinter connection isn’t a secret, although what is said using it usually is.

[@jimjohnson3609]

Neglected he is responsible for the unjustified arrest then abuse and neglect is what killed him.

[@jasonnacci4091]

Saying "the Kremlin lied" is like suggesting "trees are wood". Yeah. Of course. Ingrained behaviour.

[@chrissheppard3023]

Social media reveals much more "secret" information than anywhere else now days

[@kummer45]

Russian miss info. Next.

[@johnmay7774]

Why did they poison him if they didn't want him to die ?

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

They aren’t very bright.

[@zhen159]

It’s possible Putin could be dead And there might be behind-the-scenes Power vacuum

[@importantname]

Any one ever heard of - Know the commanders intent. Use your initiative. Keep the boss happy?

[@javierpatag3609]

Even if this is true, let's not forget how happy Putin was in the wake of Navalny's death. He may not have ordered it, but he wanted and liked it.

[@RalphBrooker-gn9iv]

‘Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?’

[@NefetariMoonRay]

HAHAHA SO COOL. PESKY RELIGION NAGGING IN MY HEAD. HE SAYS.

[@NefetariMoonRay]

MORALITY BE LIKE A FLY GETTING IN THE WAY OF HIS POLITICAL INTENTIONS. BUT NETAN ALSO NEEDS A FLY SWAT TO GET AWAY FROM INTERFERENCE OF ANY CONSCIENCE BOTHERING HIM.

[@keithrosenberg5486]

An absolute leader does not have to give an order... 'Will no one rid me of this turbulent political opponent?

[@halfabee7410]

leaks.....plants

[@American-In-Mykolaiv]

Leeks are plants.

[@guff9567]

Everybody knows -60°C in the middle of a Siberian winter kills

[@Withnail1969]

its a brutal prison system.

[@gerryhouska2859]

@@Withnail1969 It is a brutal barbaric country.

[@guff9567]

@@Withnail1969 The weather is pretty tough too. Maybe Navalny was gay and got too close to a gay-basher for warmth

[@sot11cat]

​@@guff9567Guffy

[@BruceJ999]

​@@guff9567😂😂😂

[@shaneconnor86]

maybe not but who's going to believe anything putler says?

[@13thbiosphere]

Apparently Mr. Put said he wasn't going to invade Ukraine and we believed him

[@CGplay186]

@@13thbiosphere US has satellites cover the whole earth, their reports USA know long before that Russia were gonna invade seeing their troop movement, yet they didn't do anything or prepared Ukraine, with good defance you can do so any fighting only occurs at the border, so why did USA wait untill was too late, hmm.

[@agnescraig2912]

The American Intelligence service believe Poo-in-tin

[@user-fr4oq1nd5u]

Leak or deliberate misinformation. Dont be gullible 😂😂😂

[@kimruble477]

Sounds like propaganda to me! Who did it if not pooptin?!

[@prepper_nation_h]

So, this was an interesting discussion, but I thought there were doubts about Putin's direct involvement months ago? Budanov, head of Ukrainian intelligence, even released a statement that their sources indicated that Navalny died of natural causes, likely heart failure caused by his long-term mistreatment within the Russian prison system. His health was suffering terribly. Of course, Putin was directly responsible for Navalny's declining health, so take that how you will.

[@TrevorSachko]

Hook, line and sinker... and maybe the fricken tacklebox....

[@jaredchristie8882]

So this leak came from putin?

[@brianingarfill1773]

Great interview, get Dan Lomas back again really soon!!!

[@paulbird3235]

"PUTIN didn't order Navalneys dearh". 😂😂😂😂😂. Not me guv.

[@user-ph5ys7ed7i]

Dmitri Peskov: "US aid is causing more Ukrainian casualties!" Coming from the aggressor’s side, this level of gaslighting is just... beyond everything imaginable … wow.

[@kareemdurrant139]

This ain't surprising.

[@sot11cat]

Peskov worrying about Ukraine is an absurdity and an oxymoron per se.

[@dalecrocker3213]

But it's obviously so. US aid extends the war and this obviously leads to more casualties.

[@thinker646]

​@@dalecrocker3213stopping the war can also happen in 1 hour when Russia goes outside the boundaries of Ukrainian territory, and stays out. Like some of the aggression from black sea ships stopped when they decided to remove themselves from a position that continues the war. An ancient saying: Actions speak louder than words!

[@dalecrocker3213]

@@thinker646 A Russian retreat isn't exactly likely though, is it?

[@user-dx1vm4pb8q]

Ha Ha, yer right, I just looked out the window and saw a pig flying by.

[@scottnothing1982]

Well that really clears things up

[@richardfewer9348]

Thanks for sharing

[@Gayzenon]

❤Ukrainians ❤

[@petra1201]

Of course it was. Explained on another channel.

[@TheUpHighGuy]

As an American who worked in US Intelligence Services (won't name which) this was a quite brilliant interview regarding Intel and how it's used. I WILL say that in my experience when the President receives the morning PDB, 60% or higher commonly derives from classified internal information that's been breached, and is not open source. However, open source has many definitions, just as a confidential source. It becomes a grey area and Intelligence Services live in the grey area whilst picking and choosing Intel from both ends, open source and surreptitiously obtained.

[@Ss-mh5wi]

who gave the order for him to be poisoned ??

[@FarterBoom]

Novichuk Novichuksky

[@clintcumberland1664]

I don’t believe words. Proof only 😁👍

[@Sheddweller419]

"Heavily caveated" means gossip grade info to me.

[@andyhurrell]

If Navalny had been a valuable prisoner-exchange resource for the Kremlin, why did they send him to a notoriously awful prison? As a prized asset, why wasn't he maintained in good health? (Slava Ukraine!) By the way, where's Gerasimov ?

[@JaneSoole]

Totally agree with the comment below. Stop causing this disaster, misery, terror, your criminal activity. How can you believe a word this consistant liar expounds.

[@xtbum3339]

Just clicked on this video to leave a comment. I don't believe this for a minute.

[@lexvangelder2525]

Sowhere does the buck stop in the kremlin. This conversation could have been cut down to a couple of seconds. It's chaos in the kremlin.

[@ed713ca]

Ya sure. Don't believe it for a second.

[@Zonker66]

The Times Radio interviewer is doing a parody of a Times Radio interviewer? If that's the case... funny!

[@aw9307]

I call BS. This “leak” was supposed to leak.

[@gookey9924]

Even if he didn't specifically order it , he still wanted him arrested and put out of the way for good whatever that took. No difference.

[@williamwells1862]

Just stop it silly. Why was he put in that prison to begin with?

[@ralphstern2845]

No ones acts without Putins say so

[@mastercommander4535]

Deputy Defence Minister for one …now arrested

[@livingtribunal4110]

_Quelle surprise!_ I mean, who knew?? 😂

[@jimbodimbo981]

Secret sauces did he say?

[@paulaadams5217]

And talk talk talk🤮

[@TheOlandex]

I feel like this is likely counter-intelligence. I wouldn't jump to believing this at face value.

[@johnniehouston1816]

Yea, sounds like a lie from Putin to cover up for his past mistakes.

[@louis_quinn]

this is pure incompetence trying to exonerate a criminal aided by the propaganda of useful derelicts.

[@dutchdocherty6882]

Yes he did

[@PSYACTIF]

it is completely irrelevant, he put Navalny into prison and tortured him in the first place

[@Nels921]

We will never forgot Navalny. Maybe one day Putler are in the same prison.

[@radoslavliptak3842]

It was quite obvious, that it was rather a result of typycal russian prison mistreatment than something directed from above.

[@howdydoodey3872]

Mr Navalny could have been expelled with ceremony from Russia.

[@felipearbustopotd]

He may not have ordered his death, but having Navalny in captivity and no doubt dealt with harshly, hastened his death.

[@rjkeenan8955]

Is this guest feeling well....looking at his eyes ..

[@terjehansen0101]

Obviously this is nothing that would be dscussed anywhere in the open or in any office. Acting innocent is the easiest thing to do for a good liar.

[@mikeellis4345]

If that’s true .. then my name is Elvis Presley and I have a planet to sell ya’ll.

[@nonsequitor]

Headline: *certain* Content: "Heavily caveated, not confirmed, from a discord leak of someone's boasts, USA suggestion maybe" - that's some quality journalism there 🙌😂

[@paulnewsome6289]

Even if Putin didn't order Navalny's demise, the irony is that the act will ultimately lead to Putin's demise.

[@darrenhenderson6921]

The nation where they simply make up an organisation for a BBC interview

[@TalibanAtrocities]

Did the intelligence report provide toxicology records 🤔 Or carry out any experiments on the long term effects of novichok poisoning 🤔🤔

[@mblake1975]

BS. He definitely wanted him gone. The US was trying to get him out w Evan G. & Paul Whelan. I hope Germany dsnt let the russian out in their country. We let the lord of war out for Brittney Griner. We let out major criminals for our innocent citizens. It's f'ed up but I understand. F Russia

[@juandelacruz1520]

That's total bs dude

[@barkerbiz]

Will the truth be sung as loud as the Lies of this channel?

[@henrikarboejensen812]

He just placed a known compulsive, risable , fiery, and violent guard in his everyday life where-about and waited. Nipping some caviar with his crownies. Laughing inside, waiting 4 the plan to stick to the surface..

[@markrobinowitz8473]

Who will free me from this turbulent priest?

[@Maria-io8ii]

So what are we to believe that puttin is a good guy now

[@janmortimer1758]

Not!

[@user-np8yn6yz8k]

Wow, where did you get that?

[@ScottishAtheist]

Even if he didnt expressly order it. If not for his imprisonment and previous poisoning, its hard to imagine he'd be dead right now. Either way Putin is ultimately to blame. His death is explained by incompetence then.

[@anapaulaamaral1514]

Ohhhh come on. Navalny was beeing kept in a horrible place in bad conditions. He was young and died because of the king putin.

[@apkosmic]

There are some heavy duty mental gymnastics going on here to paint Putin as incompetent...Putin didn't know/want Navalny killed but Russian leaders were surprised by the strength of western reaction to his killing hence their miscalculation..isn't it more logical that Putin knew what western reaction would be a hence did not want the killing of any dissident...or he did want him killed and miscalculated the western reaction ..it can't be both...while I am not of supporter of any of the parties involved, Putin seems to me be be far more astute than any of his oppents in the US, Europe or the Ukraine.

[@daydays12]

Agreed.

[@icu17siberia]

He recruited Sweden and Finland into NATO, and got Europe to rearm. His Rostec profit share increases, and he’s killing the Russian auto industry….yes…pretty astute

[@fnmkd3142]

No need to paint putin as incompetent, russia is literally falling apart.

[@davidstewart9982]

What’s with the novochock makeup?

[@Max_Malletus_64]

This is padded 'content' speculative narrative without facts, maximun respect to a brave voice whose memory should be better served.

[@oliveirasassulo7708]

Politic

[@petergreenwood7731]

So he didn't do it But twist it enough and - wala - he did it

[@wimdejong5399]

In other words, .... it's a wild guess.

[@chittokobaj7848]

So, guessing about guessing... nothing solid...

[@michaelginever732]

Whether he ordered it or not , keeping Navalny alive was Putin's responsibility. Navalny's death is entirely Putin's fault. Others may simply have done what they believed Putin wanted. It really doesn't matter. In such a case it only means Putin did not make explicitly clear that Navalny must be kept alive and well.

[@MrVendorX]

Censoring comments will not help spread propaganda - you have to keep the balance.

[@GeorgeNicola]

So the news are not news at all and this clip as with most clips from times radio are just one very long blah-blah-blah

[@a.barker7792]

Just like Trump did not get help from the Kremlin During the 2016 election. Please, a wink, and a knod is the same as doing it himself at those levels.

[@pissedoffnation]

Idk this reeks of controlled disinfo

[@antonclark]

Absolute nonsense. Shows the intelligent source is very poor.

[@escoffier1967]

This guy is a liar

[@lw1zfog]

oh dear, oh dear ‘tHE tiMEs’ ! the NAFO fanbots DO NOT appreciate this hot take ! next you’ll be suggesting that it was the CIA terminating a dodgy investment. did GCHQ definitely sign off on this one ? you’ve right royally ruffled some heavily vested reality tunnels here. 😂

[@ether_sect]

B.S.

[@belindared3389]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Dangur2]

Admirals of Obviousness

[@jeffgapen4522]

Boycott Putin, stop his over use of power.

[@user-np8yn6yz8k]

Boycott the USA, stop their over use of power.

[@user-sm9jy2jm1i]

I wouldn't trust that lisp. Looks like he has hours left to go for some reason

[@marinakralik1977]

clumsy..

[@paulaadams5217]

I suppose that makes him a better guy😇WEST still listening to Russian propaganda 🤯😡

[@oretes85]

Chill on the lips smacking, hard to listen to with headphones because of it.

[@aerosolu]

this channel is so full of bllst that he could put a rouble banner behind him, just to know who pays his life

[@carlberg7503]

Don't waste my time with nonsense.

[@lilacer6841]

His employers CIA killed him. Nalvalny was not important in Russia. Lom 😂😂😂

[@boink800]

Please give us some proof of your CIA conspiracy theory.

[@janmortimer1758]

Absolutely true.He wasn’t a threat to the election.Only 2% of the polls.Communist party was the biggest threat 20%.Huge distraction for us and eu at the time.Security council meeting in Germany and gen in g*za.