PvP - Elite Dangerous vs. Star Citizen

Just a quick little supercut of some PvP action I've gotten myself into recently. Special thanks to Ozy for the fights and for lending me his F8C Lightning! (lol you thought I would buy a $300 spaceship for a 2 minute video?)
Check out Ozy's stuff here: / @d3vlozymandias
Song used: Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty OST - Gate K9

[@d3vlozymandias]

Look mom, I'm on TV!

[@jzekaron]

Great editing on this video. One of the things that drew me towards SC in the first place was the lack of a shield meta, which makes fights faster paced and higher consequence. Especially with the fact you can permanently shoot off critical ship parts unlike in E:D where a quick reboot fixes most things.

[@lumpymilkC137]

Low TTK in star citizen makes the pvp instantly better imo. The combat feels grittier and more realistic. Elite felt elegant in the sense that you're gliding around everywhere like your ice skating.

[@tekwerk]

I can say it's a lot easier to jump into PvP in Star Citizen, mostly because they had the cajones to actually instance all the players together in an MMO instead of having a baffling single player and private server mode, but the one thing I don't like about SC's pvp is the laser repeater "meta", which I hope they change. Plasma accelerators and railguns feel much more satisfying to use. I'm almost ready to PvP in E:D with my billions and a carrier and only one more engineer to unlock, while in SC I did a couple of "shoot a guy standing in the open at a crash site with your ship lasers" and slapped some disruptors on my Titan to taze some poor rando into submission. I do agree though health pools in E:D got ridiculous

[@j.d.4697]

That's cause ED doesn't have a flight support system AFAIK. You can turn that off in SC too. And BTW CIG want to up the TTK for SC ship combat.

[@tekwerk]

@@j.d.4697 yeah what's flight support, I know sc has decoupled mode which is close to flight assist off in ed

[@chivayos]

While I like almost everything better in star citizen, be it huds, overall graphics or the shield zone system, I still feel that nothing beats fixed weaponry combat in ED, especially plasmas. When I see the laser repeater electric boogaloo meta in SC I just feel like you're tickling the ship to death with 10000 needle stings , it doesn't feel impactful enough to me. And regarding ttk - just wait a bit. There'll be the day when the meta in SC will be Equally broken with soaky ships and a meta that you just seem stuck with unless you want an additional challenge. The difference is though, I trust that CIS will balance this out again somewhen, unlike fdev who just 'broke' their game and felt it was all okay.

[@tekwerk]

Also I just went to my first pug rockfight in E:D last week and am going again tomorrow. The most fun I've ever had in a spaceship game. SC doesn't come close.

[@rawkfistgaming]

Always with the fire music selections! 🔥🤘

[@RegulusDex]

Very entertaining!

[@MrDankDro]

The good thing about Elite Dangerous is by the time Star Citizen fully releases the team at ED will be able to get a liscense for the Star Engine to build Elite Dangerous 2 on lol

[@cottonball605]

Entertaining as always, idk why the algorithm does you so dirty :/

[@Neo-vz8nh]

Nice comparison. Both seemed good. SC feels like a space FPS, ED more like a space sim. It is a matter of perspective who like what.

[@jamesjastrzebski1536]

Interesting that SC looks about as smooth at half the fps as ED. How does it feel to play?

[@CrimsonGamer99]

A lot of that is server lag, it confuses rivatuner. SC uses servers while Elite uses P2P communication. Elite has far fewer latency issues. But I do tend to average less FPS in SC's rocks, probably from the volumetric dust. It feels fine to play, but the lead marker tends to jump around a lot more than in Elite, so you kinda have to anticipate it doing weird things.

[@lumpymilkC137]

​@CrimsonGamer99 the lead marker also works a bit different than Elites. Even with fixed weapons in SC there is still a bit of convergence magic happening. The lead pip isn't always 100 percent accurate due to this. The lead pip also has a very small gimbal effect from that convergence magic happening. So when you hit that green spot, there is a bit of auto aim happening. That's why even if you're not directly on the pip you can still be landing consistent hits in SC. It's not an absolute lead pip like Elite.

[@j.d.4697]

Combat is usually a smooth experience apart from the times when the AI lags. But during events it can get choppy.

[@vigo4ever]

​@@CrimsonGamer99 The server delay does not confuse rivatuner. One thing is the client-side fps (obtained from riviatuner) and the other is the server fps, which does affect the desync or the performance of the pve content.

[@Podokodo23]

Why pvp in coupled mode in SC? That's a huge gimp unless the opponents are pretty new or bad pilots. Takes a bit of re-learning but you will never go back to coupled mode once it clicks. Nice vid brw.

[@That_weird_guy_Dragooon]

Nice flying

[@sparkyails123]

Elite Dangerous combat and flight style are so much better than Star Citizen"s. At least to me it feels better, sure the TTK in elite is long but in star citizen it feels way to short.

[@CrimsonGamer99]

A lot less room for error in SC. Missiles are extremely lethal rather than a mere annoyance.

[@j.d.4697]

Just decouple in SC.

[@sparkyails123]

@@j.d.4697 I do in both and for some reason sc feels off to me.

[@jzekaron]

​@@sparkyails123Likely because SC doesn't maintain rotational momentum in decoupled like E:D does in FA off. Leads to less spin outs making it more accessible to new players, but really limits what experienced players can do with it. I know that CIG has debated letting decoupled mode preserve rotational momentum but it seems unlikely for us to get a version of decoupled like that any time soon.

[@bazerkerx]

Rotational spin off is dumb asf anyway. Always thought that mechanic was just flat out creating difficulty for the sake of difficulty

[@maginciajazmine9644]

I love how realistic SC is, it's only fun if you're loaded lmao

[@Underb00t]

Like how loaded? 1000$ sunk in loaded?

[@maginciajazmine9644]

@@Underb00t If you can afford to spend $1,000 on a game, you're either loaded or not very good with money haha

[@gnaruto7769]

spoken like someone who knows nothing about SC

[@Underb00t]

@@gnaruto7769 please, prove us wrong with a mid tier rig with no work arounds and tweaks.

[@gnaruto7769]

@@Underb00t for the last few years i played on a mid tier gaming pc, what are you on about?. 5600x and 6650xt were very much capable of playing at 1080p

[@horizon_2725]

Have you tried lag pip? what was your opinion of it?

[@CrimsonGamer99]

I've flown leading pip for years in any game that has lead markers. I instantly gimp myself when I switch to trailing.

[@j.d.4697]

Wait, I used to consider ED to be the superior solo spaceship combat game, but I just realized they don't have g-force effects. 😐

[@CrimsonGamer99]

There actually is G-lock in Elite, but it's nearly impossible to do it at combat speeds. If you want to force a blackout, do a hard pull spiral when in planetary glide. If you want to force a redout, just do barrel rolls in an SRV. Both cause black/red dimming on the screen, but only blackouts cause you to lose control.

[@kou4997]

if you dirty drag a mamba and hard pitch on fa on you can mannage to get a g-lock, but this never happens on fa off

[@kou4997]

if you boost and pitch ofc

[@genogaron]

​@@kou4997speaking my language

[@tekwerk]

Funny enough I consistently redout in an fdl in rockfights

[@AiwekTH]

Real pvp now in AC duel mode)

[@TUROCK320]

A "technical demo" versus a video game ! Technical demo is winning lol. Both game can't be compare.

[@chaingunner60]

Early backer of both around 2014, I have hundreds of pounds in SC. It will be nice when SC stops being a technical demo and releases as a finished product! To me it was similar to playing Rust etc, periodically and normally every update the server gets wiped and you start all over again. It may have changed, did it?

[@denmock]

been playing lately and actually the last two updates we kept ingame ships and AUEC however we did have to set residence and remake our characters but the next MAJOR patch is coming with Pyro so we will see if thats a wipe.

[@bazerkerx]

Hasn't wiped since early February. Not saying that it's not due tho

[@michaelm6597]

You can go with other weapon setups than exclusively meta builds in elite though, you could likely have got that same result but quicker with lasers to keep constant continuous damage on target instead of the very high bursts with plasmas which could yield faster ttk. You can also use ramming to quicken ttk :D

[@CrimsonGamer99]

haha no. There's a reason plasmas are meta, my guy. It starts with the word "absolute" and ends with the word "damage".

[@genogaron]

Clown react this user 🤡

[@dscrafted]

Someone has never fought a funny hull build with his laser barge I see